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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 02:37:58 PM »
The balloons pressure raises the water up the tube and over the edge which is higher than the actual water pressure, the water just needs to get back into the airtight chamber to perpetuate and this is what I'm trying to figure out. Maybe a sponge could do it, like seep the water through.
Jim If you think that's a fraud then ok but continue with your own designs and stay out of mine and we ill be ok :)

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 02:39:23 PM »
@ p-motion:

Really?

I guess you are wrong because Alex just did.  And so have about a thousand others I could name.  Did you not see the part of my post about the compressed air powered cars and motorcycles?  Hello?  Please try to pay attention here.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 02:49:32 PM »
Yea I have made it and still working on it until I hopefully and finally make it perpetuate. With everything, there needs to be a power source and in this case, its the balloon keeping a constant pressure to lift the water up and around which in turn prevents the balloon from deflating...

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 02:49:32 PM »
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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 03:03:32 PM »
Alex:

So, in your design, the balloon is an energy storage device, like a capacitor, not a power source.  This is not fakery in my opinion. (memo or no memo.)

This is an interesting approach.

Bill


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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 05:54:15 PM »

@all

As long as compressed air is used as a spring...As in what is
technically known as an "accumulator" analogous to a capacitor
*and no pressure is lost". I don't see why compressed air
could not be used in a perpetual motion machine. But if pressure
in the balloon is permanently lost during operation it is not
perpetual motion.

Compressed air acting against water is not the best perpetual
set- up because the air will slowly lose O2 and CO2 into the
water chemically. But there maybe systems of fluids and gases
that could be setup to work better. For example nitrogen is less
reactive. One needs a gas that has a low "partial pressure" in
the liquid.

I am not currently making a statement about the device in question,
just about compressed air and gases in general.

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The other thing is there may be a "fluid state" analogy to "dipping
bird" that use heat lost to evaporation that could do something.
For example if you use methyl chloride below the balloon? pressing
against a diaphragm against water and have the water go up and
fall on the balloon as the balloon got cooler it would shrink and when
it warmed up again it would expand...Then you could set up a Lord
Kelvin water dropper electrostatic generator...H'mmm.

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There is also that Chinese paper water water wheel that seems to
use expansion paper in water, suppose one could use expansion of
a sponge in water to do something.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 09:24:22 PM »
see what i see?

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 06:08:56 AM »
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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2010, 06:35:12 AM »
i just had another crazy idea  :D

white = sealed air
blue = water
green = float-chain. for buoyancy!

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 02:22:53 PM »
Alex:

So, in your design, the balloon is an energy storage device, like a capacitor, not a power source.  This is not fakery in my opinion. (memo or no memo.)

This is an interesting approach.

Bill

That's it, the balloon is an energy storage device like the atmospheric pressure from the earths atmosphere which covers the entire globe.
The pressure from the balloon alone will raise the water up and keep it up without deflating so long as the water falls back into the airtight chamber without releasing the air...

Alex

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2010, 02:50:59 PM »
Hay Alex

 I still have concern of air escaping back through for something to be air tight will also be water tight. I do have an idea to help with this. On the water going back down to the lower tank. The idea is, use a paddle wheel and a sectional water pump which should IMO keep the fluids flowing into the lower tank and also help keep the air pressure up. It will take some designing for this so don't change what your are doing this is only an idea. I will send you the design later this week.

Alan

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2010, 07:03:05 PM »
guys please tell me why my idea will not work in my last drawing, please!

looks like a winner to me.


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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2010, 07:39:21 PM »
guys please tell me why my idea will not work in my last drawing, please!

looks like a winner to me.

Sorry FreeEnergy

You will have the same pressure high and low. So it shows equilibrium, and no action.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2010, 08:36:48 PM »
Sorry FreeEnergy

You will have the same pressure high and low. So it shows equilibrium, and no action.

the air and water is in equilibrium high and low but the green chain-float is floating up in water and on the other side it falls do to gravity.

so what's wrong with it?

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2010, 08:58:37 PM »
Ill have a look at it for you but could you draw it more accurately like leave gaps where the tube fits through etc... To me it seems that the water wont hold up but lower and raising the air up...

Alex

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2010, 10:07:38 PM »
you're right it wont work.

sorry for the interruptions, i wont be posting any more new ideas on this thread.

 

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