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Author Topic: Perpetual Water Fountain Design  (Read 35950 times)

Offline Alexioco

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Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« on: June 01, 2010, 01:43:26 AM »
Here is a design I made for a water fountain to perpetuate but it does not seem to work, however I'm still playing with it and thinking of ways to improve it, its late here but ill post it with a brief description of how I thought it would operate...

At the top is an air filled balloon, this balloon is giving a constant downward air pressure into the bottom Air Tight Pressure Chamber. Due to the air pressure in the bottom chamber via the balloon, it tries to force the water up the tube which is connected to the top chamber. The top chamber also has water in which it filters the water down into the bottom chamber without letting the air escape. due to the filtering of the water, it increases the pressure in the bottom chamber even more causing the water in the bottom chamber to be forced up the tube refilling the top chamber...

the cycle just repeats

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 04:24:00 AM »
Alex

 That is an interesting proposal, but IMO I think the water and air would redistribute (equalization) out through the system and then stop also the air bubbles may go back up the drip area until the air in the top and the fluid in the bottom. But here are a couple of videos on pressure fountains from youtube that may help. They are cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye8zDnhxMLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 11:36:29 AM »
Herons water fountain is what inspired me to attempt this, i made herons water fountain then decided to design my own but so it would perpetuate. I have started to study the elements in order to gain an understanding of nature. I have learned why the waves move, why the wind blows etc and how all the elements depend on each other to keep going and how the opposites in nature balance things out, it is my opinion that perpetual motion is brought about from balanced equal opposites working together with the elements to cause the motion, im still learning though...

This design is supposed to work according to nature but some things are wrong somewhere. Bubbles do travel up where the water filters through, i need to stop the air getting through but allow the water through, anyone know how i may do this? Sponge maybe? also the top chamber shouldn't be airtight because it stops the water from getting in...

I have tested that the balloon can raise the water up into the tube and fill the top chamber (not air tight) and it does, but the balloon deflates as it does this, to keep the balloon inflated, the water must then filter back through to keep the pressure constant, but like you say it might equal out, or the filtering of the water might increase the pressure more and raise the water up. The water must filter through into the bottom chamber at the same amount and speed as the tube at the top releases the water into the top chamber, if it works then its possible the speed will sort itself out because the filtering of the water is what the tube relies on to pump the water up... below is a drawings of my latest design...

P.S I think that Besslers number 5 clue is pointing at the 5 elements, he even mentions them in one of his books...

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 11:36:29 AM »
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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 07:51:24 PM »
this might solve the problem.
 
 edit - forgot to add the attachment.
 

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 01:09:38 AM »
Thanks for your effort, I also thought of that, whats happens is this, if you blow down the tube (instead of balloon) the water gets forced up both tubes emptying the water from the bottom chamber and filling the top chamber up, once you stop blowing, the water lowers back to its starts point. Its interesting to note two things, when you stop blowing and cover the hole with your finger, it holds the water in place. If you let the water drop again, it stops soon as the surface of the water in the bottom chamber touches the tube you blow down... The falling/filtering of the water to the bottom chamber must but be a one way thing so that water can escape out of the top chamber into the bottom chamber without letting the air or water escape from the bottom chamber.

Also if you make the top chamber airtight also then the water is prevented from being pumped up either tube.

Here may be a good way firstly to test weather or not the constant pressure supplied by the balloon (without deflating) can cause the water to rise up the tube, and if so, then a way needs to be found to "re connect" the water into a loop. Below is a picture of the same machine, except like before, both chambers are now air tight again and both contain water. However, the end of the hose from which the water is lifted is in open air so when the balloon increases the air pressure in the bottom chamber, the water is forced up the tube. The trapped air in the bottom tank shouldn't be able to push the water back up into the top tank as the top tank is also filled with water and air making "no room" for more water than is already in. Soon as some water leaves the hose, the water in the top tank will lower releasing the pressure so if indeed it does this, then the hose needs to feed the water back into the top chamber without loosing air pressure out of the top chamber and therefore the thing will perpetuate because its keeping a constant, steady balance...

Edit: In fact this theory seems simple: You increase a balanced and constant pressure on water causing it to be raised high enough to over flow back into the system keepings it a constant, balanced pressure...

Alex
« Last Edit: June 04, 2010, 02:38:59 AM by Alexioco »

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 02:13:32 PM »
Greetings Alex

 Look at adding a bellows for your air and use the weight of the upper water to help control it.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 06:45:35 PM »
less water at the bottom and more air pressure.

and at the top the more water the better, probably better adding more water horizontally than vertical.


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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 07:38:11 PM »
what about this?

captures more heat to form air pressure.

-edit- made changes to attachment.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2010, 06:53:35 PM »
drawing deleted
« Last Edit: June 05, 2010, 08:21:32 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 07:38:50 PM »
sorry i made a big mistake on my last drawing.

i have fixed that! see attachment:

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 08:17:54 PM »
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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 12:02:05 AM »
I disagree, the earth is surrounded by atmosphere that acts like an air tight chamber, the atmospheric pressure/ air pressure pushes down onto the ground and causes wind, the wind moves the waves and so on, it is my opinion that a constant, balanced pressure is partly the answer to perpetuate something. The balloon is supplying a downward pressure just like the atmosphere does, the perpetuating water is what will keep that balloon from deflating yet at the same time its keeps the water lifted up... To me, its about harnessing the weight, not the movement of the weight...

just for some examples, consider these...

Blood Pressures
Bladder Pressures
Atmospheric/Air Pressures
Sea Pressures
Volcanic Pressures

Pressure is a force that Nature uses in so many different ways, air weighs less than water, yet air pressure can lift up water so this is why I think that pressure in any form can cause perpetual motion...

There is a lot more I have learned about nature and I'm sure the answer lies within it...

Alex
« Last Edit: June 06, 2010, 12:40:07 AM by Alexioco »

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 03:10:36 AM »
Alex

My biggest concern is that fluid always finds it's level. But it will take pressure to get it to function.
A hoax is only when you try to pass it off as something it is not, and studying is not a hoax. It has to have a claim, not just an opinion in planning.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 06:42:24 AM »
the only thing left to do is to actually build a working model.

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Re: Perpetual Water Fountain Design
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 02:24:49 PM »
Well, you can see the shit I'm getting for trying. It's probably better to do what Alex and Alan are doing. Find someone who is building, then attack them.
 It keeps everryone from observing one small fact, 2 actually, neither one of them is posting a build they will ever do and this idea of Alex's breaks the spoken and written PM rule of not using compressed air.
 And I'm certain Alan supports this design as being credible. When the moderator disregards what is accepted in the PM community, that forum can not be considered crdible.

What the heck rule is this about compressed air?  If this is a rule, I have been here a long time and I did not get the memo.  As was already explained to you, it would depend how the air was used.  As in, Expensif's free energy rotating all magnet motor which in reality was powered by a hair dryer blowing air to make it turn.  OK, that is a fraud as he said that it was the magnetic repulsion that made it turn.  he was also selling them on E-bay.  This is fraud and fakery.

If someone says..."Here is the compressed air (balloon) and it feeds into this...etc." then this is part of the design and not fraud.  Others may point out that the energy required to compress the air is higher than the output energy but, this is a legitimate disagreement and again, not fraud.

There are cars and motorcycles that now run on compressed air and for a lot cheaper than buying gas.  Is this a fraud or fakery too?

Bill

 

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