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Author Topic: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination  (Read 13294 times)

Offline Neo-X

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Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« on: May 24, 2010, 02:21:30 PM »
Hi to everybody I am new to here. I want to share my idea or concept of how to combine that two produce one self-sustaining motor and i really sure that it will work.. If you have also an idea post it here so we can compare it..

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Offline broli

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 02:36:19 PM »
You haven't posted anything to compare. I believe noone has gone as far into homopolar motors than me and gravityblock on this forum. So look up those posts and compare. But I would be more happy if you posted your ideas.

And let me give you some friendly advice. I was once new too and had to learn the hard way. Whatever idea you share no matter how promising it looks it will be meaningless if you do not have a build behind it, if you can't build noone will help you...you're going to pick up that hammer and scavenge flea markets to start building it. On the other hand if you have the money you can just go to a machine shop and never lift up that hammer, proving that this green cloth is worth more than charity. Don't count on anyone testing your ideas but yourself. Take this advice very seriously, it will spare you a lot of frustration.

But don't allow it to darken your heart. I would still love to share any working idea I have using the public domain because that's who I am.

Offline Neo-X

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 03:46:34 PM »
Okey thanks for advice. Heres my idea you download it here http://free-energy.freehostia.com/motor.PNG actually I dont know if I can built it because of lack of money and I loosing hope so I post it here now. I thinking of it more than a year after I read about homopolar lenzless generator.. My invention is very simple. It has two magnet, two copper disc and a series of gear. The only main problem of it is the commutation of the two disc that I think it will produce to much heat because of current and friction. 

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
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Offline Airstriker

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 04:02:56 PM »
Hi Neo-X. I don't think you can hard link to the pictures on the server you sent us a link to. Simply saying - we don't see a picture ;]

EDIT: Sorry, you can right click on the link and choose "Save target as..." - that way it does work.

Offline Neo-X

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 04:20:22 PM »
Ah I see here is it...

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Offline broli

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 04:25:38 PM »
Hi Neo-X. I don't think you can hard link to the pictures on the server you sent us a link to. Simply saying - we don't see a picture ;]

EDIT: Sorry, you can right click on the link and choose "Save target as..." - that way it does work.

@Airstriker: Or drag and drop the link in the address bar.

@Neo-X: Here's my feedback. There's one major issue and one wrong statement in your design. The major issue is that you have the wrong magnet polarity. To do what you want to do the magnets have to be repelling. And the wrong statement is that the generator part has no back torque part. The back torque part will be your "external circuit" that is everything that is conducting besides your generator disc. Besides that all I can say is build it and see for yourself. I encourage experimenting more than anything. There's no such things as textbook facts, only what you perceive and experience as fact. Noone in this forum has ever built a homopolar motor feeding a homopolar generator, yet it's a simple feat for some.

Everyone is always lacking money, don't let money guide you but your will power. To achieve something you need to struggle. I recommend you go out to flea markets or junk yards and buy dirt cheap stuff and start building it. You can find anything you want if you know what you want. And start doing this now, because the longer you wait for someone else to "help" the more you realize there's noone coming for help. It's a disgrace but that's our current reality which we should change in our future.

Offline Neo-X

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 05:26:38 PM »
No, I stick to my design and Ill prove that it will work.. Theres no wrong in the polarity. Even if I wrong that the motor disc turn in a opposite direction, a gear can easily fix it...

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Offline broli

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 05:31:26 PM »
Don't be so defensive, I didn't say your idea wouldn't work I never say that to anyone. I just brought up some points from experience. If you think I have bad intentions you can wipe your ass with my comments, I wouldn't care less. There's a limit to ignoring pointers though, we can never agree if we argue on something as basic as black and white. You just reminded me of myself so I wanted you to avoid the mistakes I made.

Offline Neo-X

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 05:55:02 PM »
I understand you and Im not angry. Sorry if I bother you and thanks for your advice. I hardly of speaking english so I cant communicate normaly..
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 02:37:54 AM by Neo-X »

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 04:06:14 PM »
@Neo-X

Actually, you seem like you have the ideas down OK.

You need to do the diagram better to show the brushes
and what is electrically conductive and what isn't.

Like Broli says you probably are going to want to build
it yourself to learn what you are doing wrong.

You are worrying too much about eddy currents in the motor
because the disks should have slots in them. As shown in this
link;

http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/HomopolarExploratorium

The main shaft can't be one solid piece, if the generator and motor
are going to spin at different RPM's. There will need to be a bearing
and brush inside the the inner diameter of the motor disk.

The mechanical torque times RPM is going to have to be matched to
the electrical characteristics of voltage times current in the motor and
generator. Because the electrical energy (power) can only be changed
slightly. The mechanical power based in the gearing ratio is going to
have to be adjusted to the most efficient RPM operating point after
construction. You currently show it set to about 1 to 81 and I don't
think that is justifiable but I think the numerical ratio is critical.

(Electrical power == Mechanical Power) (+ any overunity power)

In a homopolar device a gearset can be substituted for brushes so
it may make sense to let the negative current flow though the gear
set if the homopolar motor can be fed from the edge?

To get overunity you need to count on a) less backforce in the
generator and b) magnetic field strength increases based in flowing
current. In both the motor and generator case I think it makes sense
to have the magnet disks spin with the rotors.

Good luck...Be sure to watch Bruce's Homopolar Experiment thread.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Homopolar Motor and Generator Combination
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 03:39:45 AM »
Your right I must add a bearing in the inner part of the motor disc if it rotate in opposite direction with the main shaf but for simplicity I did not include it.. In the case of eddycurrent theirs no problem with it because it can be minimized if the main shaft are placed accurately at the center of the cylindrical magnet for equal distribution of magnetic flux in the generator disc. As a result, the generated voltage in the rotating generator disc are all equal. In brushes, the best is to use a thin carbon ring at the inner and outer rim of the generator disc so that current are flow equally. Maybe I should make a new much detailed drawing or I should animate it to easily understand. My invention is based on my understanding on chas campbell system where the ordinary dc motor are slowed down by a flywheel at the same time, the very high torque rotate it and the  energy stored on a flywheel. On the other end a pulley is connected to speed up the rotation to efficiently used in rotating a ordinary ac generator. A rectifier can be used to convert ac voltage to a dc voltage and feedback it again in a dc motor. This closed system is very efficient to the point of overunity because of very low back EMF.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2010, 05:42:22 AM by Neo-X »

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