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« Reply #180 on: May 29, 2007, 02:21:53 PM »
Bill,

Thanks for your detailed answers.
Now you indeed provide us with some figures, to analyze! Here is my opinion:

An equivalent capacitor of 1 Farad charged at 0.185V equals 0.0171125 Joules. This energy was stored over a minute and it was maximal, I understand. From this energy, one can estimate the maximum power the device can produce, which is 0.2852083mW. (Actually this is the averaged power, computed over 1 min. but it should be a close enough approximation of maximal power for any practical purposes). That level of power is very small but let skip this issue although I do not see much ways to increase it significantly. Let?s assume for now that the only goal is over-unity and not the level of powers involved. I can fully accept it.

Up to now, I have one important question:
Are you aware that after a discharge most electrolytic capacitors charge back up to approx. 10% of their before-discharge voltage? It takes many hours for an electrolytic capacitors to be discharged (short-circuited and kept that way) in order to read close to 0V. In some cases, it takes many days to properly discharge it, depending on the type of electrolyte. I?m asking because if you did not discharge the capacitors completely, it means that the above .185V is not correct and the real value is smaller, thus affecting in a significant way all the estimates one can do.

Assuming that the answer above is positive, you?ll get in theory:
1.02675J in 60 min
24.642J in 24hrs
and finally, 739.26J in 30 days.

I?m saying ?in theory? because in order to get this amount of energy, you?ll need a very large bank of capacitors, ideally one of 43200F, which is very far from practical. If you embrace the idea of re-winding the spring of the clock every 3 days, it will still be needed an equivalent capacitor of 4320F, which is also very impractical, to say at least.

What happens if you do not have such large capacitors? You?ll have to discharge some capacitors into others, to collect all the energy and in the same time to obtain a voltage close to that of the motor (12V, for instance) by rewiring the connections (from parallel to series or combined).
But in the case of dumping some capacitors into others you will lose a lot of energy! Basically, every time you discharge a capacitor into another one, you lose up to 50% of energy! Please check the math and remember that we are not talking here of loses of 3-5% but much larger!
Consider the initial state:
1F at 10V     and       1F at 0V    total of    50J
After dumping the first into the second, you?ll have:
1F at 5V       and       1F at 5V    total of    25J, hence loss of 25J and efficiency is 50% exactly. (In practice is even a bit lower due to the ohmic resistance of conductors).

Now, even if the above-estimated energy of 739.26J may be enough for re-winding the clock, although I?m not sure of that because no detailed data are available from your posts, by subtracting all loses, the final result will be, imho, way under-unity. Loses include capacitors leakages but also motor inefficiency and other Joule effects on various contacts and resistances.

Even more difficult than the above loses: it is a huge challenge to connect several capacitors in series in a proper way. You have to closely monitor the charge (or voltage) of EACH capacitor. Otherwise, the capacitor with the least charge (voltage) will be charged in reverse polarity by the others capacitors in the bank, when discharging the whole bank onto a load. Not only that the others capacitors will spend their energy to reverse-charge the ones initially least charged (instead of energizing the motor/load) but you may risk the last ones to explode. This is a huge challenge in itself and you?ll basically need voltage regulators on EACH capacitor. That would be extremely costly and surely not-practical from various reasons, including overall efficiency.

All in all, my judgment is very pessimistic, hence the reason of my first post above.
Maybe I over-reacted a bit and I apologize for that but it was due to the poor content of the 19th pages I?ve just read and due to my clear understanding of the phenomena involved, which again, imho, does not leave room for making the device workable.

Anyway, I wish you all the luck and hopefully you?ll discover something new.

Respectfully,
Tinu
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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #180 on: May 29, 2007, 02:21:53 PM »

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« Reply #181 on: May 29, 2007, 03:23:50 PM »
Well, my math above was greatly exaggerated: I wrongly understood that 1F cap will charge at around 180mV in 1 min. But now I see that only one 0.047F cap will charge at that value and not the whole bank of 213 caps (1F in total).
Therefore, the averaged power and the intermediate energies as well as the final energy shall all be divided by 213 to get the correct answer.
Then, it implies that the total energy collected in 30 days is not a respectable 739.26J but it is only 3.47J or less. This is very, very low. In fact, compared to 648J as needed for running the motor for about 12s, the maximum (= theoretical/ideal) value of only 3.47 Joules speaks for itself.

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« Reply #182 on: May 29, 2007, 09:41:43 PM »
I've done the same calculations myself a thousand times. Your thinking is very
straight line and not outside the box. There are ways to generate a 12volt source voltage to charge upa bank of 213 caps to 12 volts within 60 hours (4200) minutes.
At this point lets don't keep bantering about. You are convinced that the device cannot generate enough voltage to rewind itself within some fraction of a 30day or 43200 minute period. That's ok. I'll be posting videos very soon.
Thank you for your input

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« Reply #183 on: May 30, 2007, 01:41:51 AM »
Thanks Tinu and Bill. That was great! That's why I come back to this forum. Both spoke truthfully and in the end no one left pouting or crying. It appears that Bill must provide new data and Tinu is obligated to respond to this data. I'm anxiously awaiting.
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« Reply #184 on: May 30, 2007, 04:14:28 AM »
I was tired and reading through some of the threads and I have to say this. Tinu, why do you care? It doesn't effect you what so ever, so whats the problem? You talk about it being strange with all the pages for this invention, but in actuality, you seeming so offended, and writing that massive post(freaking time consuming) is more strange than what you think is strange. It almost seems like that if he is successful that you will have failed at something or lost out. You arn't physicaly productive in conritbuting positvely or negatively to the invention(physicaly meaning an experiment to prove him wrong or right). Thus logicaly making it unimportant to show all that math, as math is never exact in real life. You cant use math to solve overunity, as overunity is pulling some unknown source into the picture. I don't need to know exactly how this works to see what your missing in your "argument".

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« Reply #185 on: May 30, 2007, 09:36:15 AM »
HfH,
Now it?s me the one that I?m missing something from my ?argument??! And by asking fair questions on half a page that?s also too much in comparison with 20 pages posted in advance? Or maybe you think that an OU would be revealed in half a sentence?
How about the claim itself? Where is that ?unknown pulled source? you talk about?! Show it to me/ to us/ if you can see it. And in doing so, please remember that extraordinary claims always require extraordinary proofs!
The math may be wrong but it?s not mine and it?s all we (?humanity?, if you like) have for now. In fact, I have conducted similar experiments, like I said, and the math &physics stand. I?ll conduct some more exp and I?ll post the results here, if this is your greatest wish but for now let?s wait for more details and proofs.

Finally, why do I care? I care because if I didn?t I wouldn?t be here. It?s over-unity, remember?
I care because if one experiments in its garage it doesn't affect me at all. If he/she is posting about it, it doesn?t affect me either. But when it comes about claiming OU, that?s a completely different story! I also care because if a device like this is to be marketed in any way and it fizzles, I don?t want to live knowing that I was part of the story, by simply staying silence. And no offence to Bill but he is marketing his idea a lot, although his device is in a very incipient state and not proved to work at all to the very present neither to show, imho, many promises for the future. Current status is ?I will succeed. Bill?.

Tropes,
Many, many thanks for your fair understanding and support. I?ll surely respond to Bill and hopefully everyone will find the final outcome. For know, I don?t see other appropriate language but that of figures? unless one is expecting to watch a video of 30 days ;)

Great forum, everyone!
Have a nice day,

Tinu

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« Reply #186 on: May 30, 2007, 02:20:40 PM »
Its Sunday night 9:15 Pm PST, I just got home and ready the replies on the site.
So here goes:

I believe that the answer to a working magnetic motor is the ability to utilize a power source to run the motor. I do not believe that a magnetic motor will run by itself. This is like trying to grab your shoes and lift yourself off the ground. Does it not strike all of us as strange that NO ONE has been able to build such a motor. I do not believe the Snyder or Argentine motor will work. I saw the Synder video like everyone else how hard is it to attach the motor to a stationary platform and see it work on its own?
Butch, I know you are shaking your head now, and I have the utmost respect for you as does I am sure
everyone else in the community but until I see a working Synder or any other motor I simply cannot
except it as a working device. If I am proven to be wrong -so be it, its ok but I am a real nuts and bolts person I simply want to see a real working device.
Enough of that
What I have in my motor is a way to create a electric current by passing a permanent magnet in and out of a coil. This is certainly not new and I do not claim it to be, Faraday is well understood.
The problem is how to keep this motor continuously running. For this I am using the back and forth motion caused by a pendulum from a mechanical movement of a clock.
Its so simple
With this process I can generate current for up to 31 days using a 31 day movement. I am currently using a 8 day movement. During that 31 days I will be storing the output via capacitors or work to directly trickle charge a rechargable battery.
Think of each permanent magnet moving in and out of a coil as one (1) power unit producing over a 31 day period x amount of energy. The more of these power units I have working the more output will result. Remember each unit is really totally independent of each other so "stringing" these together and connecting them in series will produce any voltage I need its only dependent on the number of units in use.
Its so simple
As far as re-energizing the movement to cause the device to continue to operate I need only to store enough power to turn a motor for under 10 seconds which will begin the 31 day cycle all over again.
Tomorrow I will begin building the next upgrade model will the n-45 2in in diamenter 1 inch long magnets I have which will be moving in and out of larger coils. The 2 magnets I am using now, and that show in the video are only 3/8' wide by 1/2". The greater amount of current that will be produced with the stronger magnets will be dramatic.
I can produce enough flow to in 31 days rewind the movement as well a plenty left over to light a bulb.
Talk is cheap I HAVE NO DOUBT that I can do this, after reading this I hope that you can understand how this device works.
Its so simple-
Producing a current continously for up to 31 days= energy
This unit is not area or input specific. It could work anywhere, in a closest, a basement in a cave it makes no difference. It does not require water(Hydro) the sun , wind or any kind of peto fuel to run and it can run continously producing a flow of truely FREE ENERGY.
                                            ITS SO SIMPLY- SEE THE VISION!!!!
REMEMBER!!!!!!
I need only to string as many of the magnet/coil combinations together to achieve the necessary current flow.
This is very important- this unit it generating electricity and the power that is required to run it continously only has to be tapped once a month. All other magnet motors must be providing its own input  from second one. There in lays the problem for that kind of motor. It simply cannot produce more than what it takes to run it-basic law of physics folks.

A clock winded up is nothing more than a mechanical capacitor which you are tapping for energy in very small amounts each day. To "recharge" the spring in this clock requires at least the energy it provided when it was running the pendulums and charging the battery. Using magnets and coils is just an alternative to get this energy out of the spring in the clock - no matter how big magnets and coils you're using. Even if it takes 31 days to get all energy out, before it should rewind itself, the 10 seconds required to rewind it requires as much as approx 270 000 times more energy pr. second, than the energy provided pr second during the 31 days.

So to simplify your device, and even get it more efficient is to forget about all the wires, battery, magnets and coils, and keep the clock only.

Br.

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« Reply #187 on: June 06, 2007, 02:15:14 AM »
hey group!

wow, what can i say, what a brain you have!  i wish i were smarter .. but i do recognize one thing.  i see mention that, Bill, your invention uses secondary oscillation as per Mr. Milkovic's idea.  This is an incorrect conclusion but of course you did not make it.

Anyway, i just wanted to say thank you for not being a loser (like me), actually pursuing this amazing field and building something!  =D

also i have to disagree with some of the other posts .. and i have credibility here as again, i say i am not the sharpest tack in the box ..

your design merely looks complicated because of the wires.  if i had just a few more brain power i would know much about capacitors and what-not .. but i just do not care =P

okay, enough from this fool

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« Reply #188 on: August 04, 2007, 06:44:29 PM »
Dear Mr. Bill Mehess,

I posted at this overunity.com forum recently.  Someone referred me to your pendulum device.  I read your information with interest.  Lee Cheung Kin and I (Lawrence Tseung Chun Ning) had our PCT patent application information published on July 27, 2006 (PCT/IB2005/000138).

In our Patent Information, we described how we can extract or Lead Out Gravitational Energy via oscillation of the Pulsed Pendulum.  Some information is available at:
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/taiwan2a.htm

I posted heavily in the Steorn.com/forum and forum.go-here.nl under the username ltseung888.  I also posted in this overunity.com forum.  One interesting theoretical thread is:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.0.html

Some of our discussion backup material with the PCT Patent Office has been regrouped together in this thread (Thanks to Grumpy) as the file pendulum_OU.zip (613.23 KB):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,919.msg17891.html#msg17891

I look forward to working with you as your device directly confirms our theory.  We helped a Chinese Inventor, Mr. Wang Shum Ho to explain and demonstrate his invention in front of 5 Chinese Officials on January 15, 2007.  Mr. Wang is now a vice president of General Magnetic, a RMB 13 billion Company. 

Best regards,

Lawrence Tseung &
Lee Cheung Kin (who cannot read or write English)

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« Reply #190 on: August 08, 2007, 05:11:12 AM »
Hi group
I would like to update what I am doing as I have received a number of emails as to my progress.
I can generate enough energy to rewind the clock via my pendulum system but not in the time required.
It takes me approx. 12 days to generate the needed voltage to rewind but my clock can only run for up to 8 days.
I have come up with another application that I am very excited about and I would like to run it past the group to see if it is worth developing further.
One of the core goals of my device was to be able to make a motor that would generate electricity that was not what
I call to be "area specific" In other words it did not need sunlight, water, wind etc. to work. It could generate power
in any location. A dark room if necessary. Its location and setup being totally independent of its enviroment.
I  have been able to modify my device to be able to run a LED continously.
This is NOT being presented as a ou device.
I can run the LED totally off the power generated by the magnets charging up a bank of capacitors. I am not using the pendulum system as I can now "drop" 9 magnets into 9 coils generating a much larger paulse than the pendulum method.
Dropping the mags into the coils also eliminates the back emf problems that the swinging mag. created.
I am still using the clock mech. as I have found a way to connect directly to the sproket from the main spring with a lever which will lift up the bank of magnets and in approx. 1 min drop them into the coils. The process then begins over and over.
I do have to rewind the clock manually every 8 days, this takes approx. 15 seconds. But during this time the LED has been on continously.
My bank of 213 4700uf caps have a voltage loss of around 3 mv per hour. But I can generate enough continous power to overcome this and keep the LED running. The LED has a forward voltage of 2.1 volts drawing 25ma.
I have performed countless tests with the following results:
When I drop the mags into the coils I can charge up the cap bank at the rate of 4 mv per minute. It would take approx. 500 min to charge it up to the 2 volts needed to run the LED. For the sake of saving time I charge up the cap bank via
2 1volt C cells. I then disconnect the battery and run the LED totally from the power generated from the energy
being pumped into the cap bank.
The LED within about 1 hour will drain the cap bank faster than the energy being pumped into it. But then the curve begins to flatten out. When the LED has drained down to approx. 1.644 volts (whick takes about 4 hours) it is draining the cap bank at a rate of
5-6 mv per hour. I can generate about 12 mv per hour and keep the LED lit indefinitly.
At 1.644 volts the LED is barely lit-but it is lit!.
I believes this technology is fully scaleable. A power generation system that could be used anywhere in any enviroment
with minimum human interaction to make it work.
I want to know what you think. I would be happy to put up a quick geocities website to show the device working.
Also this would be a open source project.
As always your input is appreciated, should I continue with this work?



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« Reply #191 on: August 08, 2007, 12:47:43 PM »
You asked for opinions:  No, do not continue this work.  It is futile and silly.  If you have no hope of OU what is the point?   ::)

If the point is simply to spend time entertaining yourself by playing with pendulums, clock mechanisms, magnets, coils and LEDs, by all means continue.  Just don't delude yourself by thinking you are doing serious energy research!

I had never seen such a plethora of bad non-science, wishful thinking, group mental-illness and just plain inexcusable technical ignorance stir up so much enthusiasm and cult-like optimism with absolutely zero tangible useful output energy result before I started reading these forums. 

It all just bears out the inevitable fact that none of it actually works.  Inventors have been making OU claims for as long as history has recorded.  None...not one single one...has ever found useful practice and successful commercial sale.  Hello?  This should be a clue!

It's the same story every time: Glorious claims without any reasonable evidence...long drawn out discussions about elusive mysterious details...demands for huge investment of replicators' time and/or angels' money...fights over who owns worthless intellectual property...endless precisely-detailed yet fatally-flawed experiments and constructions with huge glaring "mystery parts" and purposely avoidance-based "measurements" (or lack thereof) and, finally, when all else fails...stories of the powers that be suppressing the great new device.  Bullshit!  Where are the working machines?  There aren't any!  Never were.

Bottom line:  There is yet no magical energy box.  The piper, so far, is always paid one way or another.

Serious investigators might best focus on systems that maximize the efficiency of conversion and storage devices and practical means for tapping into the abundant sources we have at hand (including geothermal, solar, hydrogen, wind, water, fire and nuclear reaction) and, foremost, on ways of accomplishing more and better results with less equipment, fewer conversions, less need for storage and transport of energy and materials and work in general.

The pretentiousness and complete folly expressed here and in other forums like this is on a par with the very seriously-debated dark-age religious argument:  How many angels dance on the head of a pin?  The answer is none.  Why would they want to?  They have all of creation to dance within! 

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« Reply #192 on: August 08, 2007, 03:20:11 PM »
To specifically critique your stuff, Mr. Mehess, here are my comments based only upon your last post:

"I can generate enough energy to rewind the clock via my pendulum system but not in the time required.
It takes me approx. 12 days to generate the needed voltage to rewind but my clock can only run for up to 8 days."   

So...at best, your device could only be 66% efficient in terms of converting/storing energy.  Rube Goldberg did better than that!  Not a prayer of OU.

Remember...energy units include time units...power multiplied by time is energy.  It is silly and betrays a badly non-scientific mindset to say that it generates enough energy but not for a long enough time.  To be correct, you might say that it outputs enough power but not for a long enough time.  Volts x Amps = Watts (power)  x Seconds = Joules aka Watt-seconds (energy).  This may seem like I'm being overly technical or getting hung up on semantics. 

Science is a terse and exacting discipline.  I can think of many times I've seen huge efforts at replicating insane devices on this website alone in which this basic relationship between voltage, current, power and time was quite obviously ignored or just not understood by the "inventor" or the would-be replicators. 

People observe a voltage or current increase and mistake it for "excess energy" yet it's two steps away!  First, it has to be an increase in the simultaneous product of voltage and current to be even a power increase.  Maybe they actually get a power increase, meaning that EI product POWER is bigger coming out than going in...still a big step away from free energy!  All you have to include to get that is any energy storage device...capacitor, battery, inductor, spring, pendulum, gravitationally-displaced mass, etc. 

Example:  charge up a big capacitor with a small low-power solar cell...this takes only  a small amount of power for a bit of time.  Now, short the cap with a screwdriver...BANG!  Huge sudden power!  Not excess energy or overunity!  Yes...more power out than in for sure...but power ain't squat without time!  Maybe you put in 3 watts for ten seconds (30 joules of energy) and got out 29,800 watts for one millisecond (29.8 joules of energy).  That's impressive and probably typical and a lot better than your 66% return but it's just basic, simple energy arithmetic. 

The energy you extract from the output of any electrical black box system will always be less than the energy you put in.  Period.  You can delude yourself by pretending that voltage is energy or current is energy or even that power is energy.  But they are not energy.  Energy is Power multiplied by Time.

All your system seems to be is a rather overly complicated, expensive and lossy way of storing and then converting mechanical to electrical energy.  We already have plenty of those!  Way too many!

"I do have to rewind the clock manually every 8 days, this takes approx. 15 seconds. But during this time the LED has been on continously."

"I believes this technology is fully scaleable. A power generation system that could be used anywhere in any enviroment
with minimum human interaction to make it work."

Ever heard about the guys that bought widgets for $1.00 each and sold them for $0.66 each?  Well, they lost a little on each one but they made up for it by selling in huge quantities. 

The suggested "scaling" for this proposed energy generating system of yours, in my humble opinion, sir, is best to approach toward zero as quickly as possible!

I believe you'd do a lot better if you just bought a hand-cranked generator with a flywheel or a battery.  Your very complex electro-mechanical system as described would make Rube Goldburg proud or maybe even envious and is no doubt much less efficient.

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« Reply #193 on: August 08, 2007, 03:29:06 PM »
Poor Humbugger, its obvious he got out of bed on the wrong side. Such a bad mood.
First I am not claiming ou as I stated.
I guess ALL research should come to a screaming halt unless ou can be achieved. No new advances, no new  experimentation to at least look at something different.
Lets all go back to the dark ages.
Did I ask for investors-no
Did I make outrages claims-no
Did I explain how what I was doing worked-yes
Does it work-yes
Was there any compoents that were hidden and "where the magic happens"-no
Will I show a video-Yes
Am I looking for a patent-no
Is this open source-Yes
Please read the thread again and see what I am doing. If it is of no value so be it-let me know.

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« Reply #194 on: August 08, 2007, 04:17:45 PM »
 ::)

It's not personal, nor does it have anything to do with my mood.  You are obviously having fun playing and getting some ego strokes and encouragement from this forum.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just please don't pretend you are a scientific investigator or an energy researcher, okay?

Self-delusion, peer acceptance and a feeling of doing important work are common ingredients for success in our culture.  Even when the actual useful achievements are non-existent and or negative.  Perception of value is valuable in our culture.

I think you are probably a great guy and a fun person.  I know for sure you have a lot to learn if you ever want to produce a useful energy invention.  Science and progress and growth require one to laugh at how silly one's ideas have been and to appreciate that the only value of much early effort undertaken without understanding (blind experimentation) is to obtain the knowledge of how silly you have been so that you appreciate being able to reject similar analagous silly ideas in the future by merely thinking quietly to yourself for a moment rather than by doing hundreds of hours' work and writing up what, in retrospect, are embarrassingly silly ideas.

I'm just trying to help folks grow up to be real scientists!

What are you trying to do?  If it isn't overunity then what?  Really! 

I'm guessing you are trying to have fun fooling around with techno-stuff  ;D get some social feedback  8) and learn in the process >:(, all of which are just peachy goals.  If it's anything more seriously science or engineering-related then allow me to burst your bubble and call you and anyone who is at all impressed with your ideas so far completely silly and foolish! 

That will be my humble contribution to your collective scientific/engineering education...in the best spirit of science and learning and good humor, of course. 

Remember...science is discovering the framework for practical reality, which is sometimes not what we are hoping for.  A smart engineer is not afraid to think outside the box...but if he's going to be describing his ideas to other smart engineers and scientists, it will behoove him to actually think before expressing. 

Learn the terms and , basic relationships and common language of your areas of discipline at least!  Anyone who doesn't get that it's a huge and incredibly revealing joke when you said you were getting enough energy output but just not for long enough time to close the loop...well...they just don't understand the first thing about energy!

Can you admit you have learned something about volts, amps, watts, time and joules here?  Can you look back yet and honestly say "I really do get the joke and it was on me"?  Or is your hopeful hero status on the forum being called into question by an outsider newbie just too much for your tender ego to handle?  Are we learning yet?  Are we having fun still?   ;D ;D ;D
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