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Offline billmehess

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #165 on: May 04, 2007, 03:30:08 AM »
Ok here's what's happening.
I'm not going to be overly specific but the device is in it's final build and functioning correctly.
First moving the magnet(s) thru a coil via the clock mech. will not generate enough
voltage. The two magnets I was using connected to a 4700mf cap. will generate about 150mv/ min. Not enough. I have read many posts on overunity saying you need to just connect up a bunch of caps to store voltage. Won't work. Caps in series will allow you to store up as much voltage as you want but the total storeage capability will be reduced by the number of caps used. In other words 10 caps in series charged to 1 volt each will read 10 volts but the energy stored is devided bt 10. This is a dead end street. Storing energy in caps in parallel will store the energy but the initial voltage does not increase.
The answer is to have sufficient working voltage generated at the source to charge a bank of caps to 12 volts. When I turn on the motor 12 volts will discarge from the caps to the motor and turn the clock mech. one complete turn. I am using a 30 day clock movement. It takes 12 complete turns to wind the clock hence each turn is equal to 2.5 days or 60 hours. I can generate 5 mv. per min or 300mv/hour, do the math and you can see how I generate the 12 volts necessary to keep the device running continously.
The breakthru was using good old gravity to instead of swinging the magnets thru the coils I  have found a way to use the clock to "drop" them thru. Again not to specific at this point but each "drop" will pump 5 mv into the cap. bank. The cap. bank is 213 4700mv 25v electrolytic caps. in parallel. This gives me a 1 farad cap with basicly no leakage.
Stay tuned

I have been running the device now continously for 2 months.
When I finish up this final build I will ask Sterling Allen to evaluate it thru the New Energy Congress as well as showing it to the public.

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #165 on: May 04, 2007, 03:30:08 AM »

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« Reply #166 on: May 05, 2007, 01:14:43 AM »
WOW! Bill is back!
We were worried for a while there.
Glad to hear you are still doing R&D.

I'm excited to hear more, and I'll see you around!

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« Reply #167 on: May 08, 2007, 10:19:36 PM »
Received a number of emails inquiring about my progress. So here is the status.
First I can rewind the clock mechinism to keep the unit running continously from the power generated by the magnets dropping into the coils and being stored in the bank of caps.
This alone is something that I truely feel no one else has ever done in reality!
This is in itself a self runner.
Since I can charge up the caps in a shorter time it requires to run the device I have additional energy stored in the caps- this is a good thing!
Is it practicle at this point as a power supply doing extra work. Probably not. BUT
this is proof of concept. The first microwave was 800lb and 6 feet tall, the first airplane flew 100 + feet at a height of 12" etc.
I have watched the alt. energy sites for years and have seen 100's of so called working devices, with out fail NONE of them have so far panned out. My unit works because of the unique need to only energize the prime mover only periodically. In this case just 1-2 seconds every 60 some hours.     

As we all know it is very easy to design a device much harder to build it. As I assemble the final model for demonstartion I am constantly revising as the need developes. Litttle things like a copper plate that connectly to a sproket having to be replaced because it bends under a small weight. So I have to disconect a big portion of the device to replace with steel plate. Constant upgrades and changes. But that is the device going thru a evolutionary process towards completion.
I want to show a final completed device with no flaws that is my goal.
When I have completed the device I will as mentioned ask Sterling to evaluate it thru the New Energy Congress. I feel his organization and dedication to this new industry is unparralled in both scope and integrity.
I will also freely show the device to the public in a open and non biased demonstration
in Portland Oregon, USA
I consider it to be a privilage to be a member of this OU community and as aways I thank Stephan and this great site for the chance to post my work.
Thank you
Bill

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #167 on: May 08, 2007, 10:19:36 PM »
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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #168 on: May 08, 2007, 11:58:48 PM »
Hello Bill:

Thanks for keeping us updated. Really interesting device you have developed. I wanted to ask if you have considered to also ask to EarthTech for an independent evaluation of your device, as a way of having more support for your claims.

Regards.

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« Reply #169 on: May 11, 2007, 06:51:48 PM »
I like this idea. Have to admit I don't understand it 100% but if it is efficient as it has been explained to be, then its a great leap.

Also, just thinking about it, it really wouldn't matter all that much if it did not put out a ton of voltage. Just thinking about a car engine, you cant power a car with any great results off one small piston. However put 8 small pistons in the design and you can get a lot of power. Same would appear for this device. Think of the device as one piston. If the device charges itself in say 7 days(don't know exact figures, have been a lot) enough to power the motor to reset the drive force, then technically one device could rewind 3 other devices. Then take the power the 3 others produce and wind 4 units off each. That would be like a 16 cylinder engine. And with 16 of them scaled up, you could quite possibly produce a good amount of electricity. Now if it can only produce enough energy to power itself, then its a neat device, but not really useful.

I do give high praise to everyone helping, and especially bill for taking the time and money to develop his ideas. Great work, keep it up, cant wait to see more. Have a good one.

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Re: Mehess Motor
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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2007, 10:01:11 PM »
Could this principle be worked into the Mehess model ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle
My imagination pictures something like having magnets on both ends, that then alternately 'penetrate' a coil.
Laughing out loud is certainly permitted, since I have no physics skills or knowledge worth mentioning. ;D
(Would need a soundproof casing, btw)

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #171 on: May 15, 2007, 06:01:48 PM »
This device is nothing more than a pendulum I guess.

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #172 on: May 16, 2007, 09:21:21 AM »
Why yes, but won't this setup retain its momentum much longer ?
Or will coil drag that I've read about completely spoil it ?

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Re: Mehess Motor
« Reply #173 on: May 24, 2007, 04:01:04 PM »
Hello Group
Got some questions to throw out there. I can produce and store in caps as much as 50,000 volts that I can generate from my system in a 30 day period. Very high voltage but very low current. How can I use this voltage to do something "useful".
My knowledge of electronic is limited.
Can I change the dc to ac and then step it down for a lower voltage but more current and then using a bridge rectifier convert it back into dc?
Could I from my large cap bank discharge thru resistors to generate larger currents?
As aways any input is very appreciated.
Bill

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« Reply #174 on: May 24, 2007, 04:18:03 PM »
Sorry need to clarify this the 25volt 4700mf caps I am using would currently allow me to store around 8600 volts not 50,000 volts, sorry for the typing error.

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« Reply #175 on: May 25, 2007, 03:37:36 AM »
My pendulum system allows me to charge up a cap to 200mv/minute. Electronics is pretty simple. Positive output of coil connected to postive side of cap. Neg. output of coil connected to diode one side. Other side to neg. side of cap.
Caps are eletrolytic 25v 4700mf.
Currently my cap bank is 213 caps in parallel = 1 farad.
200 mv/min= 12volts/hr= 288v/day.
The unit will run via the clcok pendulum for 30 days cont.
288v/day x 30 days=8640 volts stored.

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« Reply #176 on: May 25, 2007, 08:50:22 PM »
Bill,

Something is very wrong and you do not seem to get it, do you? It?s almost 20 pages and over a year since you keep saying that you produce some mV/min so you get thousands of volts/month. This is not even bad science and I guess its time that someone tells it to you frankly. You have met that person.  Now, I don?t want to be rude but just very clear in what I have to say. I guess everyone, including me, is respecting your dedication, work as well as the money and time you have spent on this motor you want that much to bear your name. Fine. But it?s time to stop this, because I also guess that you have to respect the others as well.

To be short: if you get 200mv/min, you will never get 12V/hr because of two reasons:
1. Capacitors do not charge linear in tension. That is, for you to understand, if you get 200mv in the first minute, you get ALWAYS les than 200mv in the second minute, even lesser in the third and so on, so on. This is not a matter of ?what if?, to find a clever solution to it. This is the bottom line. ALWAYS. Period.
2. The second reason for which you will never get ?thousands of volts per month? is that an electric source is not able to charge a capacitor above its maximum voltage. So, if you have a small battery, it will charge a capacitor at no more than 1.5V (maybe a little more if alkaline). A car battery will charge a capacitor at around 12.5V. And so on. And that?s it! Period.
If you really want to charge a capacitor at a higher voltage, you have to have a step-up converter, which is fine but which also works under-unity and it does not do any help in your case. But without any converter, you?ll find that your capacitor, although it may be charged to 200mV in the first minute, will stop charging maybe somewhere around 3-4V judging by the size of your coils and the strength of Neo-magnets and the speed at which they move. In another words, as you may already know by now but you simply do not want to admit it, not in 30 days but in an eternity and your caps will not charge above that maximal value, be it 3-4V or around.
Now, you change yourself around and around, once connecting the capacitors in series, the other times in parallel but it is the same. You can not get more energy by switching the connection between capacitors. You go in a circle. A vicious one. Every time you keep saying the same story, which is not even close to reality. Every time you say it, hundreds of us are wasting time, reading it. Some answer to you but in vain. Some will even believe what you say, and it?s what I hate to mislead a young man in his twenties or so to believe such stories and to grow with misconception just because you want to promote a non-working motor on your name. Why is that? Why are you doing it? I can?t believe you really didn?t make your own judgment by now!

There is more: I guess that you have found also by now that if you disconnect the coils, the clock will run for 30 days or so. But as soon as you charge capacitors with those coils and magnets, the clock will no longer run 30 days, as designed, but much less. How many days is it running, Bill? 26? 20? Or just 8?

So, please read carefully the above and try to move on. This is surely not your strongest field of expertise and although I respect free experimenting, I do not respect creating and maintaining a thread which requires hours of reading for no benefits.

Last, but not least, the website you promote contains the same errors. I strongly suggest that if you are in good faith and if you do not try to gather money or other benefits, to remove the description and at least the part with thousands of Volts per month.

Finally, I do not wish to have a ?debate? with you because it would lead to nowhere but to hundreds of members I respect consuming their valuable time in reading it. Therefore, if you want to spit into my face, please use the PM. But I?d like very much to ask Stefan to close this thread once forever, or at least until you?ll be convincing one of the senior members that you really have something new to report on the subject.

Yours respectfully,

Tinu
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« Reply #177 on: May 26, 2007, 12:25:31 PM »
Hi mramos,

Very long and touchy message. Somehow impolite and even a bit rude at the end but thanks, anyway. I?m not sure that I?ve grasp all of it but I?ll try to reply as I can. At least we talk?

I?m not that new here. It?s just that I do not post as soon as I?m making a coil or other relatively small part needed for experiments. I do not have than much time and I do not see beneficial to post for peanuts besides of having fun, increasing your own rating and establishing contacts. I have experimented with pendulums long ago (about 15 yrs); otherwise I wouldn?t dare to talk. Last pendulum experiments were relatively recent (several months ago), and I?ve conducted them in connection with Mike?s motor. Results were reported on gn0stik, the starting place of Mike, if you want to check them.

TPU thread is something different. I know your work there. I?m following the thread and I?m working on TPU, too. But just not as most you do, because I don?t think the answer is that simple. I?m searching and working hard for a TPU proof of principle experiment and none was identified as of yet, was it? So, following this line of thinking, yes, there is not much of a change since SM TPU area was started. But there are plenty of other benefits: at least people work and learn something there, in a decent and constructive manner. And I haven?t seen many attempts to sell vegetables to the gardeners?
If I have one little chance to get close to this proof of principle I consider we badly need, I?ll report on it, in TPU are. Meanwhile, I?ll be quiet because without this piece of information we lack, it is my belief that by adding section of coils, frequencies and many other variables, the chances to guess their correct combination (assuming that no other parts are missing from the setup) decrease exponentially, being essentially very close to zero.

Anyway, I don?t see much of the relevance in your message with what I?ve address. I don?t have anything against Bill, personally speaking. I would have helped him too, but he is not asking for any help here. Check these pages again, please, and count for how many times various people were telling to Bill basically the same I did, but he keeps perpetuating the same hypothesis of xxx.mV/hr->thousandsV/month, which is simply not true. Do you want me to take it as true? Do you want me to make others believe it is true? Do you want me to shut-up because there is much crap here anyway, so who cares? No Sir, I will not do it. And I speak up, exactly because this is an open forum.

And as about you, me and Bill, we are all grown people and we have to face the truth as it is. I?m almost 40 but what?s your point with that?

Finally, please keep your personal appreciations as of my person to yourself; I don?t recall that I?ve made assumption about your person. My messages are here, you may comment on them as much as you want. But my person is something different than my messages and I respectfully suggest that my person is not of your concern.

Respectfully,
Tinu

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« Reply #178 on: May 29, 2007, 12:52:38 AM »
I just go home 3:00 pm Monday May 28 .
Well, well,well this is address to Tinu.
First I  am extremely familar with how capacitors work.  After living with them on a daily basis for over a year I totally understand them.
First if you had read the way the the motor charges you would under stand the following.
My pendulum system will charge a (meaning one) 25v 4700mf cap. to approx. 180mv in one minute. This is accomplished by a n45 cyc. magnet approx 1 long and 1/2 in diamenter swinging in and out of a coil.
1. Of course I know that you can not charge a cap to more than its initial input voltage nor economically more than about 60% of its rated value.
So where is my 1000'f of volts stored coming from?

I charge one number one cap to 180mv, and then number two cap to 180 mv then numer three cap to 180 mv and then numer ... cap to... get it now?
In other world lets say I charge up 2880 individual cap (2880 minutes in two days) to
180 mv each this in series would read  532 volts.
The caps are electrolytic caps and the voltage loss is around 10% so voltage loss do to leakage is manageable.
I realize that the total capacitance is very low because the system is in series. But the fact of the matter is that I have a lot of voltage to play with.
Also if you have really read the thread you would see that the core concept of this unit is that the kenetic energy stored in the clock spring will keep the unit functioning for 30 continous days. I need to generate 12 volts at 1 uf this will energize a motor , again I am using a 12v window auto motor (low speed high torque) that is connected directly to the windup key of the clcok to turn and wind the clock.
Now bare with me on this, each complete turn of the key will wind the motor to function for 3 days or 72 hours or 4320 minutes. Thus 12 volts generated will wind the motor every 3 days for approx. 1.3 seconds.
AGAIN!!!!!! The core substance of this unit is that I only have to generate power to reenergise (rewind ) less than 2 seconds per 3 days. As a point of interest if I run the clock for the full 30 days I would need 36 volts to completely rewind.
Here are the numbers for 30 days:
e= cv (squared)/2
c= cap in farads
v= voltage
e= 1 f (36)(36)/2
e= 1296/2
e= 648
The motor under the load of turn the clock
draws 12v at 4.5 amps or 54 watts. Thus the total number of watt seconds available is 54/648 or 12 secons of run time.
I see no reason to wait 30 days to rewind when i can rewind what I need to in 2-3 days.
I also have a bank of cap. I am playing with which consists of 213 ea. 25 volt 4700uf caps connected in parallel. Whay this 213 cap x 4700 uf = 1 farad.
Since I can run my system for thirty continous days when I connect the output of the coil (again which has the mag moving in and out) I can charge up the cap bank at the rate of about 1 mv/ min. this would cofme out to about 43200 mv at the end of 30 days or 43 volts remember I can total renergize the system with 36 volts. Of couse I would need 43200 caps to do this. Other than the fact it would cost me a lot of money  this would indeed work. I can use the timing functions of the clock to individually charge the caps.
Again leakage is manageable. I have charged these caps to different voltages and over 30 days the leakage has been around 9-10%.
Get it now?
At my own schedule I will be showing a working device that generates enough power from itself to reenergize itslelf to keep running  indifinitly. Is this a pmm ? of course not gears ware out I don't care about a pmm my interest is to do what has not been done before and that is to develope the first true ou device.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN the uniqueness of this device is that the system only has to be energized for just a tiny fraction of its run time to keep working indefinitly.
I will succeed!

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« Reply #179 on: May 29, 2007, 01:39:34 AM »
In my haste to respond to tinu I need to correct something. The output of the mag swinging thru the coil will generate 185mv/min this is the maximum voltage output
per minute. Connecting this to the 213 cap bank which is connected in parallel will store only 185mv.But a lot of capacitance (1 farad) In order to charge up to a higher voltage my initial source voltage has to higher. I am limited to the number of mag I can swing through the coil due to the back emf created. I am working on a way the the clock in effect "lifts" the magnets and drops it though a series of coils to create the needed source voltage.
At this moment though I am working towards using the "large" voltage that I can generate and store in a series connection of caps.
Also this series connection can be configured into a "matrix" configuration to greatly increase its capacitance.

 

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