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Author Topic: This device is the real self-running overunity?  (Read 105329 times)

scotty1

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2010, 08:51:07 AM »
OOPS, sorry about that.
Here is the link for my second clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OLNMG3UTE
And here is a clip I did ages ago showing 2 speaker magnets in attraction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlUY3snoWI8
I can tell you all that even if one speaker A is spun at 90deg to the stationary one....the stationary magnet will not move on its own axis even though it has 2 poles rotating above it.

Don't forget that if a speaker type magnet could rotate on its axis then we could just spin the magnet over a copper disc and make power....but we all know it doesn't work BECAUSE THE FIELD WON'T ROTATE!

Cheers.
Scotty.
"The metal is not the real magnet....the real magnet is the substance that is circulating in the metal" Ed. L  ;)

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2010, 09:18:54 AM »
Here is the second clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdesjiXt_Ig
Scotty.
It's the same as the first one. And it's not a good video at all. First off all You have no relative motion between a magnet and a disk. Secondly, You cannot compare an aluminium disk to the coil. It acts completely different. Hope you know why.

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2010, 09:59:15 AM »
Quote from: scotty1 link=topic=9188.msg242185#msg242185 A=1274580113
How on Earth can a magnet like a speaker magnet rotate on its own axis and ALSO GIVE THE MAIN ROTOR A KICK to assist its motion.
That's the problem. You've just erased the main point of this machine from your mind ! Without it you have nothing. And that's what my video is about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te8Anp8xeyw

Sorry for poor quality.

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2010, 11:20:21 AM »
Hi all, I have asked the inventor some questions and mentioned the discussion going on here in this thread. Although some questions are not answered as detailed as I hoped, I am thankful for every hint received  :) (bold text is from inventor)


first of all, thank you for a very polite civilized respounce.  Anything you what to know I'll tell you if you just ask nicely.

1) Is your pickup/induction coil using a ferrit core, or  is it only an aircoil without any core at all?
 Air coils
         
2) Some users say that the disc shaped magnet can neither  evade Lenz Law, nor rotate away from the copper coil if the magnet is  polarized heads/tail - yet you claim it does so in your video. They  posted a video in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdesjiXt_Ig  showing that a disc shaped magnet will not rotate/evade at all. This  makes it difficult to understand because it is contrary. Can you explain  the mechanism in your device regarding this issue?
I saw the videos and cannot believe anyone could do such a bad  job. It is all wrong so, it is of no use at all. I am not working for  him or anyone else. If he wants to bet me some money, I'll prove him wrong.

3) What is it exactly that produces the excess energy?
There is nothing making excess energy. Energy cannot be created  OR destroyed but, it can be moved around. I have made an electric  generator (and this is very important to me) not an overunity machine.  The term is not a real word but, slang and I have nothing to do with  that.

4) On your very first device (the clip you uploaded 1 year  ago) you used plexiglass discs instead of wooden aeroplane wings. From  what you have spoken in your later videos these wings are very necessary  to stabilize the rotor. Still you used the plexiglass discs before  which had no wing-shapes. What is the difference between these 2  versions?
The wing is very important
         
5) Do the wings have another function as well, aside from  stabilizing the rotor?
Yes
         
6) Do you have any data or measurements gathered with  multimeters? Unfortunately it is difficult to determine the values on  the multimeter on clip #2.
My multimeter is burnt out and I have no way to get another at  this time. Especially, just to prove something I already know.
         
7) Can you attach a motor (preferable the same type which  powers the rotor) on the power output which spins faster than the rotor?
On the first video it is running itself, thats what I said and  that is what I mean. I fixed the problem it had with the wings. 

As long as you never call it an overunity machine I will tell you  everything. Overunity is voodoo science to me.

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Ok, these answers get me into thinking. Regarding answer #2 I think there is definitely something to it. Also Airstriker seems to have realized what it is about in his own experiments and watching the above video (thanks for demonstration btw.), I find it really strange that the Rotor accelerates *because* of Lenz Law and not slows down, how come that?

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2010, 12:09:41 PM »
Ok, these A get me into thinking. Regarding answer #2 I think there is definitely something to it. Also Airstriker seems to have realized what it is about in his own experiments and watching the above video (thanks for demonstration btw.), I find it really strange that the Rotor accelerates *because* of Lenz Law and not slows down, how come that?
Well, as you can see I had to post this video as you people would go off the rails - as always unfortunatelly and that's sad ;[ There is nothing against physics as for the rotor's acceleration. Pretty easy to explain using law of conservation of angular momentum and Newton's third law: law of reciprocal actions. Here you are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3UsrfHa4MQ
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 12:53:20 PM by Airstriker »

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2010, 02:35:28 PM »
Hi Airstriker and ALL,

I saw the importance of this man's work before this thread was started and posted it here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6116.msg238870#msg238870

I asked Stefan to make it a "sticky" which he did.  I will also ask him the same for this thread.  That is how important this is.

You all would do well to listen to Airstriker.  I believe he is correct and that this is a path towards using Lenz law and the law of angular momentum and Newton's third law: law of reciprocal actions to work FOR us.

I also really enjoyed the little simulation.  Notice that the two closest to the axle ran the fastest.  That would be a great set up.  Make the larger rotor small and light weight to gain even more speed!  Really great stuff and I hope that some will take it to heart.

I have been actively planning to adapt this to my unipolar generator I am building and now I have even more ideas.  Thank you Airstriker!

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2010, 02:47:14 PM »
@Airstriker,

In the video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3UsrfHa4MQ ) it is not shown that the wheel the man holds in his hands was speeded up first, the wheel had to be speeded up by an input energy, ok?

Now I ask if the inventor's rotor is at a total standstill, cylinder magnets are at a standstill too  and he starts the main rotor shaft spinning by switching the top electric motor on, then why will the cylinder magnets also start rotating around their own axis?  So far you have not proved it, sorry.

Because it does not turn out from your computer simulation that the magnets will start rotating.  It is your assumption, you assign a constant acceleration to the magnets. IF you think that the magnets start accelerating, when the main rotor is started to rotate, then please prove it in practice.

And from the inventor's videos we cannot see the magnets are speeding up when the main rotor is started, it is not shown, unfortunately.

Respectfully,  Gyula

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2010, 03:24:04 PM »
@Airstriker,

In the video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3UsrfHa4MQ ) it is not shown that the wheel the man holds in his hands was speeded up first, the wheel had to be speeded up by an input A, ok?

Now I ask if the inventor's rotor is at a total standstill, cylinder magnets are at a standstill too  and he starts the main rotor shaft spinning by switching the top electric motor on, then why will the cylinder magnets also start rotating around their own axis?  So far you have not proved it, sorry.

Because it does not turn out from your computer simulation that the magnets will start rotating.  It is your assumption, you assign a constant acceleration to the magnets. IF you think that the magnets start accelerating, when the main rotor is started to rotate, then please prove it in practice.

And from the inventor's videos we cannot see the magnets are speeding up when the main rotor is started, it is not shown, unfortunately.

Respectfully,  Gyula
All in it's time...
However, it's not that easy to be shown on the video. Note, that if you stop the main rotor suddenly, then by doing this you will accelerate the magnets and they will start to rotate in the same direction as the rotor used to. So, if they were rotating counterclockwise, now they are rotating clockwise (all according to the said laws).
The only way to show, that it really is how I'm saying it is, is to stop the main rotor without apllying any back torque on it.
You can ask - why not show the whole rotating thing during the motor action ? Well... I cannot see it by my eye, but If you possess any high speed camera...

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2010, 04:30:58 PM »
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So now I have to say that the magnet should be as "A" which makes sense according to the drill test that was shown in the videos.

If it is as "A" then the magnet is not rotating on its own axis so the coil will push it away and the force will not be directed to the main rotor as I saw in my test.
Hope this helps.
Scotty.

You are right. In case B, the magnet would rotate about its magnetic axis which is the same as its geometric axis. When a magnet rotates about its axis of magnetic symmetry, its field remains static therefore there would be no effect with the coil.



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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2010, 12:29:11 AM »
@All,

I agree with the results shown for A and B as tested here, but I think we are overlooking a lot of issues that Wendel has pointed out.

In his first video (self runner), he states that the motor runs on magnetic pressure.

He has magnetic compression bearings on both the magnet rotors and central rotor. All rotors have adjustable nuts for alignment.

Some have said that the magnetic compression bearings are not needed, but is that true. What if the magnetic compression bearings are required for the effect?

In the jpg below, I've shown a very simplistic scenario of what may be occurring.

1: The magnet has come under and charged the coil which will push the magnet down, which is allowed by the magnetic compression bearings.

2: The magnet downward movement causes the coil to reverse polarity.

3: The reverse polarity causes the Magnets upward movement which causes the coil to change polarity and push the magnet down again.

The polarity changes would allow for the spinning of the magnets.

Any constructive comments appreciated.

Regards, Larry


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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2010, 02:14:14 AM »
Hi LarryC,

That is a very good thought, it makes sense of the magnet getting pushed down. That could also be the reason for the importance of the wings.

Without the wings I believe he is running into a large amount of vibration setup by the pushing of the outside magnets. If this is occurring because Lenz is creating a push down on the magnets supporting rod which would cause the entire frame to vibrate. At high speed this will cause eventual destruction, since it starts to become an off balanced spinning lever.

A idea to counter this is to remove the wings and replace them with two flywheels, sandwich the magnets between the outer rims(of flywheels) on magnetic bearings and extend the shaft upwards. This would create a both a gyroscopic and flywheel effect that "may" improve the design and remove the tendency for the magnet support structure to vibrate.

Too bad he doesn't have a scope shot we could also see if a snap back from the magnet is creating an impulse spike in the coils, which could also be giving it a kick.

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2010, 05:46:22 AM »
First - in no way has anything been shown that would indicate a 'self-runner'.

LarryC - The up/down push/movement of the magnets would not be as large/strong an effect as that of the rotor travel meaning the coil polarity will still sync with the rotor IMO.
And given a good construction that doesn't/shouldn't allow for the rotor 'bounce', the magnets should then see some spin imparted as that 'down push' has nowhere to go but as a transfer to spin.

However, allowing the rotor magnets to 'spin' is an interesting idea.

My take on the process in following pics with 'B' config top/bottom polarity:
(Edit: changed pic)
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 06:11:16 AM by capthook »

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2010, 06:19:07 AM »
         
6) Do you have any data or measurements gathered with  multimeters? Unfortunately it is difficult to determine the values on  the multimeter on clip #2.
My multimeter is burnt out and I have no way to get another at  this time. Especially, just to prove something I already know.

Data? Waaht?
:P

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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2010, 02:41:25 PM »
Hi all.
I see I am asked to make a bet with this inventor to be proved wrong?
Have I done anything but ask a legit question?
I'll bet the inventor the O.U prize money to disclose this secret.  ;D

@Gyula, I noticed the same as you in AirStriker's sim.
The magnets are given a power source that is assumed to exist, yet my own tests show it should not.

@Capthook, in you drawings you say that the coil causes the disc magnet to rotate on the way in but not the way out.
I've tested it and nothing happens either way other than drag on the main rotor.

The inventor has given no answers at all.

The magnet as "B" could only rotate to get to a lower resistance state, but because it is fixed on its own axis and it is round it has no where to go except....even if it did rotate it would be under the same energy state, so it doesn't rotate. IT HAS TO MOVE ITS OWN AXIS!
It was shown earlier that the coil will make the magnet vibrate, and that is because of the changing energy states between the coil and magnet, in the vertical up/down direction.
Then there is Lenz to go with that which resists the horizontal wing rotation.
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The inventor has seen my clips so he can respond if he wants.
I have used coils and moved things relative to each other to no avail.
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Re: This device is the real self-running overunity?
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2010, 06:40:08 PM »
Comments from the inventor on youtube:

1. 'I am shorting out the generator coils. The first time that I thought I had beat "load" I had fixed magnets. Using rare earth magnets I did not have any steel in the cores of my coils because the magnets were powerful enough not to need the steel which, canceled out the the magnetic conflict. My volt meter was reading 24 volts. I thought I'd won and called a physicist who told me to short the coils out by wiring them together. That was full load. When I did that the machine stopped immediately.'

So it stopped under load when he had fixed magnets.

2. 'I started out w/ 12 magnets and 12 coils. When all the magnets were under the coils the fly wheel would be pressed down because of Lenses Law causing it to bounce up and down until it tore itself up. Finally down to 2 magnets and 1 coil. I thought what the heck and there wasn't too much power to to tear it up. Please check out the other video. 1 wing going up & 1 wing going down. No more bouncing. Please ask questions. Thank you.'

It does bounce up and down. The wings keeps the rotor from bouncing, but would still allow the magnets to bounce.

3. 'By the way my address is 2969 Dry Branch Rd Dixon Springs, TN 37057. I don't have much but my casa is your casa. If you are in the neighborhood drop by or call at 615-633-4298. "Everyone has something to hide except for me and my monkey".'

Seems like a nice guy and is willing to share. Does anyone with a Oscilloscope and others meters live near the inventor? A scope shot and other test, would produce a lot of answers.

Regards, Larry