I'm new here at this forum and have been following many of the more recent conversations.

*** It seems to me, that creating any sort of self-runner mechanism would be nothing
short of miraculous.
*** Simplicity of design is always best.

Did come across something interesting going back to 1879...
((Harper's New Monthly Magazine - March 1879 pages 601-605))

Gary Wesley's Magnet Motor... ((easy to Google to find relevent articles, descriptions, etc.)

*** Gary has a very simply design based upon something he discovered "about the Neutral-
line in a magnetic field interacting with a piece of iron))

*** Perhaps, Gary's design might be the simplest and most easy to replicate as a proof-
of concept -- that IT IS possibly to have some sort of long-lived perpetual
mechanism using magnets.

ANY SORT of even the most simplest "it truely works" prototype, would then allow
one to have HOPE that greater things are possible.

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A few months ago, my own interests in this subject matter have been awakened, and since
I have studied hither and yon via the net --- as to what "seems to exist" ...
Much talk -- but after centuries -- of God knows how many "trial & error" attempts by God knows
how many people... "Where is anything to show for it?"

*** Perendev ?  Perhaps, but probably the magnets wear out.
*** Snyder --- no real proof of anything.
*** and the many others??? Where's the real, tanglible, reproducible proof of concepts???

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Maybe, just perhaps, the simple "Gary tidder todder" concept could be replicated - as proof
the "it is possible....

I mention this here in these forums, as it seems to me that there are many individuals that have
enthusiastic, youthful energy to do "trial & error" work...

Would anyone be up to the challenge of replicating and proofing that there is something
that everyone can easily replicate as proof of concept that a magnet motor can be made
to work, and that once this is established, larger ideas could evolve from that.

I have also been following the more recent thread on Torbay's design...
Maybe Torbay's design is actually something along the lines of what "Wesley Gary"
discovered...

Perhaps...

Hi to everyone...
PS: I'm a Swiss-trained Watchmaker, mid-age, and with a good share of "senses"
around mechanical issues... Watchmakers in general tend to be interested in mechanical
things, Pendulum, etc...
The perpetual pendulum is sort of a "holy grail" to any watchmaker...

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*** Snyder --- no real proof of anything.

What's your reasoning in saying that?

I see as of yet, no verifiable proof of anything yet, let alone detailed plans that
allow replication and verification.

Till then, it's on the back-burner - along the lines of "wait & see"...
I think a reasonable amount of skepticism is healthy until verifiable proof is at hand.

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*** Snyder --- no real proof of anything.

What's your reasoning in saying that?

Question: ?Could you prove to me beyond a resonable doubt // any sort of simple
magnet based self-runner that exists and has been verified to function for a very
long time before wearing-out???
Given the centuries of many attempting to do this???

Gary Wesley's motor "maybe" might be a simple proof of a self-runner being
possible... big big maybe...

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I see as of yet, no verifiable proof of anything yet, let alone detailed plans that
allow replication and verification.

How come, don't you see the rotor tuning all by itself without being powered by anything? Or you think Snyder is doing something secretly that we don't see to turn the motor? I assure you he isn't.

As for replication and verification -- can you replicate in the workshop in your basement a computer from scratch, even if you have the detailed plans? Perhaps (almost surely), not. And yet, computers are real.

I would welcome verifiable, outside analysis of Snyders work... Till then, nothing has been
proven.

I think there is a pretty clear pattern (over the many decades) of attempts, fraud, etc etc.
Snyder's work proves nothing in my mind "other than // let's wait and see".

Even following the latest thread on Snyder // nothing further has been forth coming.

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Question:? Could you prove to me beyond a resonable doubt // any sort of simple
magnet based self-runner that exists and has been verified to function for a very
long time before wearing-out???
Given the centuries of many attempting to do this???

Gary Wesley's motor "maybe" might be a simple proof of a self-runner being
possible... big big maybe...

No need to do that. Conventional science absolutely denies that the rotor of a motor such as the one Wesley Snyder built is capable of making even one full turn. Wesley Snyder's motor, as you can see, makes many more full turns than one full turn at that all by itself, without input energy.

Science hasn't yet uncovered all there's yet to be discovered.
I'm not into any sort of arguing here... I respect your opinion, and hopefully you can also respect
my point of view.

What this thread is really about is "searching for a "simple self-runner"...
that is proven to work, and can be replicated.

I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Since you say there have been previous similar attempts, can you show another, earlier, video of such motor working?

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/gary2001.htm

I would be happy to see even the "simple Gary" tidder todder working.
Next would be the motor...

That's interesting but where's the video of the motor working? Whatever happened to this effort, now it's 2006?

That's interesting but where's the video of the motor working? Whatever happened to this effort, now it's 2006?

I have not found any videos...
The Gary Wesley material was uncovered not all so long ago via old Patents found,
and that ancient article dating back to 1879.

It just "seemed to me" to perhaps be a long the same lines of what is going on with the Torbay
motor... perhaps working on a similar prinicple.