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Author Topic: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay  (Read 37699 times)

Offline emitremmah

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2007, 03:59:49 PM »
Les,
Were might I find these observations?
Checked under your login and didn't see anything yet you have 47 posts.

I have a lid but I know it is only first generation. It is 2 half circle arcs. One rests on the rotor magnets and the other rests on the top of the rotor. It has a simple balsa wood angle to push the stators down.
But I can't do that when my suports are falling off the stators
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2007, 04:38:27 PM »
hello hammertime,

see this 2 page thread here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1579.msg14030.html#msg14030

Keep up tinkering, sooner or later you succeed.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2007, 05:21:47 PM »
Hello,
Would someone create a flux diagram of this setup. Remove magnet 6 from the equation and reduce magnet 7's strength as it is not on the same plane.
TIA

If printed on a 297mm x 297mm this is almost exactly my setup.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2007, 05:21:47 PM »
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2007, 05:29:44 PM »
Explaination of above image.
Rotor turning clockwise.
Magnets 1,2 and 3 are exerting the rotational force.
4 and 5 are insignificant on the other side of the rotor.
6 is lifted above the leading edge flux
7 is being almost lowered unto position equal to magnet 1 and does contribute slightly to the rotational energy due to the existing rotational movement.
As stated earlier it takes 2 magnets to lift one so the work of magnets 1 and 2 have raised magnet 6. 4 magnets in this configuration will lift 2 so hopefully that is less than lift 1 and lowering 1. Gravity and magnet 3 contribute to lowering magnet 7 with I hope surplus energy to keep rotational energy.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #64 on: June 08, 2007, 10:30:34 PM »
"Hello Les,
I agree 100% with your statement about the fact the horizontal rotor magnet must have some length. This is so that stators can be lowered towards the middle were the flux is the weakest. If the magnet is to long it will change pole to n-s on the ends instead of inside/outside.

Say for a 4 inch length if you place a north face magnet stator withing the first 2 inches it will repel in one direction but if placed in the last 2 inches will repel in the opposite direction. movement of the rotor does compensate for this slightly. But there is a definite balloon effect around the ends of the magnet.

One thing that I notice most people try to do is use Neo magnets. I personnally think they are to strong to work in this configuration. The magnitude of the flux field is to great. You would have to move the stators a far greater distance awat\y from the rotor to get away from the balloon effect.

I also believe that 7 magnet stators is the way to go not 8. I am uploading a new pic of my layout. Almost 1:1, off a few mm. If you look at the way 7 magnets set to the rotor you can see it is always off balance especially as long as the magnet in from of the rotor is missing. I explain where I am working from.

I think you did very well with your tooling but again I would not use metal objects which again will effect the lines of flux more than orgainc or plastic will." - Emitremmah

Replying here to your post in the other thread so as to let that thread sink back down quicker.  I don't really have anything to add though.  I can see by your explanation why you need to redo the stators before anything else.  I think you're right about the magnet types/strengths and avoiding using a lot of metal in the construction, but I don't know that from first-hand experience or anything.  If what I said in the other thread about the Torbay design hasn't put you off, then by all means continue with it.  As I mentioned, yours seems to be the most accurate replication attempt so far, as far as I can remember.  I'm hoping that will make a difference in terms of the results you get, but at the same time, I don't want to encourage or discourage you.  I just want to see what you come up with.  Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Les.   

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2007, 01:25:34 AM »
Les,
Thanks for that. I may end up saying good bye to this project in the near future but for now it occupies my evenings while watching the idiot box. I may run into a point where I too conclude that the forces don't end in surplus. I am hoping to know one way or the other in a couple of weeks.

I am not fond of having to tool things but i need more consistancy in the objects. The stators are just too unstable. I am holding off on improving the pivot axels and improving the rotor and a dozen other things that are affecting my results until such time as it becomes necessary; and that will only occur when it is shown not to be, but would add more to the output.

Today I am getting some dowels and looking in my scrap timber for some old masonite.
I will use the dowels as cross supports on the stators and the masonite for the base. I will be using the image I uploaded as the template for cutting slots in the masonite to hold the stators.

Hammertime

« Last Edit: June 09, 2007, 05:13:59 AM by emitremmah »

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2007, 02:42:09 PM »
Well I have done some more.
I have routed grooves in some mdf to hold the stators. This meant that they are no longer the same height as the rotor. So I redrilled axle holes in the stators.
I have come up with the lid. It is from a ceiing lighting fixture. Heavy aluminum disk.
A video is on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-N4jtCwqdIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-N4jtCwqdI
This shows the action of stators without the lid pushin down.

In testing I believe that in order to lower the stators into line with the rotor will take more than is being delivered by the rotational energy. As a result I have now double the magnet face on each rotor attempting to increase the repulsive effect. I am in the  process of realigning and rebalancing the stators.

I have also started the cut on the aluminium disk.

I will need to bend this more appropriately but as a start it is not bad. The wheel it is attached to is about a 5kg spool of stitching wire for book staples. When properly balanced the single magnet faced stators can turn it fairly easily, though not as easily as without. I am thinking maybe the additional mass will help in a flywheel sort of assistance.

Hammertime
« Last Edit: June 12, 2007, 03:10:46 PM by emitremmah »

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2007, 04:16:36 PM »
So, this isn't yet working on it's own. You're turning it by hand, right?

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2007, 02:40:16 PM »
That's correct. And funny thing is it looks just like Torbays! except backwards. Stators above rotor magnet and down when no magnet.
It demonstrates that one does not have to be in contact with the top except when being pushed down.

The more I play the less thrilled I am becoming. 2 maganets per stator does not seem to increase torque. I actually seems to have reduced torque slightly. bit difficult to measure though.

Any ideas how to create a simple torque measure?

A spiral spring in the center perhaps that tightens as the rotor turns and a dial on the end of it. Something like that.  A bit of string attached to the edge then over a lever lifting a weight?  ....

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2014, 08:36:14 AM »
there is a device based on gary's  called the toy by www.overunitybuilder.com ... you seen that one ?

Else I also have a portuguese inventor who made a sophisticated design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybWA9wWfUbQ

Look at this one http://linoavac.no.sapo.pt/electrorepulsion2.jpg very smart guy with excellent scientific background

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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