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Author Topic: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay  (Read 41176 times)

Offline Lynxis

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2006, 09:37:08 PM »
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Torbay's work has caught my interest, but there are a lot of vague issues underlying it all.
As such I'm looking for "simple solutions"...

See, I'm curious what those "vague issues" might be for an expert watchmaker like you?

Building anything can be extremely time-consuming, assuming one understands clearly
what one is attempting to design!!! :)

Take the SMOT device for example... that SMOT was pursued with an amazing amount
of "build-time" and attempt by many -- but no-one succeeded in building a closed-loop
smot.

I know all to well from bench-work how time-consuming building things can be :(

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2006, 09:47:55 PM »
It boggles the mind -- they are speaking as if Gary Wesley's device is around as peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Harvard and MIT people had been impressed and it had been available from the US to Japan. What is this all about?

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2006, 09:59:50 PM »
It boggles the mind -- they are speaking as if Gary Wesley's device is around as peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Harvard and MIT people had been impressed and it had been available from the US to Japan. What is this all about?

Seems you're coming across some of what I've come across searching the net.
Plus is goes back to an era of 1879 -- and I do believe that that article published in
"Harper's New Monthly Magazine - March 1879 pages 601-605."
Is quite an honest article...

The entire Wesley issue is something that has perhaps been long-forgotten because of the
times back then... Plus there are some patents around too, and back then, it seems the patent
office was more strict too.

It seems, Gary was able to demonstrate this to people back then... even investors entered
the scene to the point of making it all fall apart.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2006, 10:04:00 PM »
This has to be gotten to the bottom of. What shall we do?

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2006, 10:12:15 PM »
This has to be gotten to the bottom of. What shall we do?

Seems the simple "tidder todder" device being shown in various documents would
be the very easiest to attempt understanding and building"...

and if It can be proven to work... then one could develop this further to
produce motive force to drive a wheel.

There are some experimental setups that one should probably do as described
to understand the priniciples -- and then on to the perpetual version of that
tidder todder. (which is my nickname for that contraption)...
But that darn tidder-todder (if it can be made to work) // would actually be a form
of perpetual-pendulum...

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Lucky // I have 4 young sons around here // tons of LEGOS // and youthful
energy which I can perhaps encourage to attempt to build it...
I might yet myself venture to build the simple setup...

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2006, 10:12:15 PM »
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2006, 10:15:33 PM »
This has to be gotten to the bottom of. What shall we do?

Here's is one of the many URLs on the Wesley gizmos...

http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm

It has some good illustrations to work with that are quite simple to follow.
It might take some tinkering to come to understand the issues, and then one
might succeed.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2006, 10:26:33 PM »
I looked at the illustrations in the site. I may be wrong but it seems that it will be more difficult to replicate Wesley Gary's device than Torbay's motor.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Offline Lynxis

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2006, 10:30:05 PM »
I looked at the illustrations in the site. I may be wrong but it seems that it will be more difficult to replicate Wesley Gary's device than Torbay's motor.

Illustration #3 would be the one to conquer as a "proof it can work"...
before going any further... It seems so simple.

Illustration #1 & 2 seems to help understand it // and #3 is then a self-runner.

and that would be much easier that the unknown issues of Torbay's design.
I think there are some clearer images of #3 if you hunt via google... I came across
one that is larger.

I wouldn't attempt any of his motor designs unless #3 can be proven to work.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2006, 10:39:26 PM »
I looked at the illustrations in the site. I may be wrong but it seems that it will be more difficult to replicate Wesley Gary's device than Torbay's motor.

I've attached page 603 from the 1879 article which has clearer illustrations....

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2006, 10:39:26 PM »
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2006, 03:07:52 AM »
one more link you might want to look at Lynxis http://www.keelynet.com/energy/gary2001.htm

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2006, 03:22:05 AM »
i haven't yet looked at the site or titter totter device but i think a lot of people are over complicating the torbay motor. once youve gotten past the blurry images and all the argueing the torbay motor is really simple and not hard to build. the ahrdest part is finding parts ans such.

as for finding something simple i agree starting at the bottom and working your way up is always the way to go.

as to why there are few replicas of other devices it is because very few ideas work the way they are drawn out. compremises and alterations last minte changes are all put into it as it is being manufactured. these details are often forgotten and or left out of the published design. torbays motor is one of the first that i have seen several versions of the same concept broken down to be analysed. the only missfortune there is the bad photography and lack of US press coverage.

also alot of devices like this are created just by messing around in the garage by some guy who knows very little about what hes doing. and once he creates it he doesnt know how he did it and can never do it again. again torbay is the first i have seen to even replicate his own design and create several working versions of the same device.

as to the wearing down of parts - think of all the money one would save by not paying for electricity in the car or house and such..... if the motor wears out two years later and you only paid 500 dollars for it then your in good shape, just get another one.

the important thing to do is to find a simple design that works and that lasts more than an hour or so and improve upon it over and over again.

no matter what you find online or in the paper you can not believe it works untill you see it yourself. on the same note you can not discredit anything that you have not seen fail. i have read over and over people saying that i dont see it work so on. and it is up to the creater to prove it works! my butt! it is up to you to prove it does not work! as in snyders case he has taken the first step in releasing a video. he at this point has more evedence that his device works than anyone else has to the contrary.

in a feild such as this when a new device is descovered every couple of years there is no room for sceptics. if there was a device created every day then perhaps some level of caution would be in order. but to toss down an idea out of hearsay or oppinion scientific or not is wrong. attitudes like this are what hold everything back.

i don't know who said this but it is true.

"What science holds as the basics today were yesterdays impossablities. imagine what is impossable today that will be basic tommorrow?"

in other words just because you read it someplace or its a "law" or physics or what not do not rule it out because new things are discovered every day! and old laws are over written by new ones.

I believe that these motors are around. I believe that they are hard to reproduce do to lack of forplanning/research/ ond or publicity.

in the case of torbay i believe that he went public prematurely. he was not prepared and did not have a schematic drawn up yet. also alot is lost in translation of what we could find.

I think this forum has done very well in "figuring" it out with what little rescourses it had.

I beleive that to take a step back at this point would be wrong.

i think we should continue with the torbay device. and give wesley's motor a try as well.

I am sorry for the %$#%^ fest/ been a long day and i been holding that in through out the torbay thread. all those people saying it wouldn't work got under my skin!

thanks,
danny

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Offline Lynxis

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2006, 03:28:22 AM »
I think this forum has done very well in "figuring" it out with what little rescourses it had.

I beleive that to take a step back at this point would be wrong.

i think we should continue with the torbay device. and give wesley's motor a try as well.

I am sorry for the %$#%^ fest/ been a long day and i been holding that in through out the torbay thread. all those people saying it wouldn't work got under my skin!

thanks,
danny

I'm fully behind demystifying and attempting to replicate the Torbay device...
The Wesley motor (and the relevant materials written by Wesley) might also help shed some light
on the Torbay design.

I appreciate what you wrote!

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2006, 03:31:57 AM »
@silverdragons,

I believe your design on the torby motor is correct(as we understand it). Just make sure to allow ajustment with the rotor magnet for timing changes. I never trust what other people say, scientists or otherwise, the easies way to test something is to build it yourself and learn. Good luck with the torby motor, I will be replicating it within the week as well.

Jason

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2006, 04:11:27 AM »
Two extra motor-concepts:
Gramberg DE3602039
LI YNG TYAN DE4402337(also as US 5463914 publicated)

Sincerely
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2006, 04:49:10 AM »
@LancaIV,

would it be possible to give links to the above patents......Many thanx.

Jason

 

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