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Author Topic: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay  (Read 39016 times)

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2006, 08:31:38 PM »
Well, that's pretty interesting. I wonder how is the guy doing the replication to be contacted?

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2006, 08:32:53 PM »
Indeed, it is futile to argue that something isn't when it clearly is. Wesley Snyder's is the first public demonstration ever of a self-sustaining motor.

Tell me more about this "first public demonstration"????
I have come across the 2 videos // that are not in my mind "public demonstrations"...
 ?and what I did come across about "a public demonstration" // is not quite enough for any of us
 ? to be sent in a direction that we could explore and possibly build upon...
 

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2006, 08:35:10 PM »
Well, that's pretty interesting. I wonder how is the guy doing the replication to be contacted?

I don't know, but it seems from reading over the "Gary Wesley materials", it might not be
all so difficult to make some progress with a "proof of concept"...

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2006, 08:35:10 PM »
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2006, 08:35:34 PM »
See, first of all I do consider a video such as the one shown by Wesley Snyder as a public demonstration. If you listen to the voice in the video you'll hear that anyone interested is invited to Snyder's lab in Texas to see it for himself. So, if you don't trust Snyder's video-demonstration you may visit him personally.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2006, 08:36:42 PM »
Proof of concept is all that's needed. Scientific experiments don't make sense to practically minded engineers but some of these inauspicious experiments cause revolutions.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2006, 08:42:37 PM »
Proof of concept is all that's needed. Scientific experiments don't make sense to practically minded engineers but some of these inauspicious experiments cause revolutions.

The work of Moray comes to mind when you mention this.
BUT even Moray did not clearly understand his own discoveries... (which might possibly
be atomic in nature)...
and -- was demonstrated to thousands of people, YET, many years later, there's now nothing
to show for it...

And there's a long long list of many having been lost - with nothing now to show for it.

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I AM SEEKING one simple self-runner! ((( let alone magnetic in nature )))
where is it ???

LET's FOCUS on finding one self-runner!
as that would be nothing short of a miracle in my books.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2006, 08:46:42 PM »
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The work of Moray comes to mind when you mention this.
BUT even Moray did not clearly understand his own discoveries... (which might possibly
be atomic in nature)...

Understanding plays no role here. Show the rotor turning without any energy input. That?s all that?s needed.

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and -- was demonstrated to thousands of people, YET, many years later, there's now nothing
to show for it...

And there's a long long list of many having been lost - with nothing now to show for it.
 

Now, that?s a tragedy if that really had been the case. Can?t these be dug out somehow?

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I AM SEEKING one simple self-runner! ((( let alone magnetic in nature )))
where is it Huh

LET's FOCUS on finding one self-runner!
as that would be nothing short of a miracle in my books.

Absolutely. I subscribe with both hands to that. So far, Wesley Snyder?s is that device.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2006, 08:46:42 PM »
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2006, 09:00:28 PM »
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I AM SEEKING one simple self-runner! ((( let alone magnetic in nature )))
where is it Huh

LET's FOCUS on finding one self-runner!
as that would be nothing short of a miracle in my books.

Absolutely. I subscribe with both hands to that. So far, Wesley Snyder?s is that device.

A shame we don't have enough information on Snyders work to do anything with it
other than to "wait and see"...

I'm trying to cut to the chase on all this magnetic motor stuff given what I have come to
understand over the past few months researching via the net.
There are many that have "built things", even many patents are filed hither & yon...
There's a lot of exotic designs...

Being a "Swiss-trained Watchmaker", I marvel at logical simplicity of good designs!
Those Swiss Watchmakers have created some amazingly simple mechanical solutions.

I would like to see a "simple self-runner" // just as a well-designed Rolex :)

specially something like "a perpetual pendulum"...
which has just everyone stumped, and of course is much more simple that any
sort of self-running motor "going round & a round"...

Ironically, buried away in the past, perhaps in old patents, maybe someone
has yet discovered something of interest that could lead to a self-runner.

I do believe in "cracks" and loopholes in science // a newtonian crack in the
egg that would allow for something "new to be discovered"...

Often, the biggest discoveries have been by accident...
That's why I brought up the issue of Gary Wesleys work... as it might be
something quite simple for us all to work with.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2006, 09:09:26 PM »
Why don't you try replicating Torbay's motor? You, as a Swiss watchmaker certainly should have a lot of expertise in making mechanical devices. And Torbay's motor doesn't seem to be anywhere near a watch in its complexity.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2006, 09:10:08 PM »
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I AM SEEKING one simple self-runner! ((( let alone magnetic in nature )))
where is it Huh

LET's FOCUS on finding one self-runner!
as that would be nothing short of a miracle in my books.

Absolutely. I subscribe with both hands to that. So far, Wesley Snyder?s is that device.

BTW: Snyders work seems to be in the Hammel department from what I seem to
understand about it sofar... I've chased-down the Hammel scene and it's too dubious
as of yet to justify my interests.
But I would be pretty excited if Snyders work turns-out to be a valid direction
to pursue... (don't get me wrong with that).

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2006, 09:14:10 PM »
Why don't you try replicating Torbay's motor? You, as a Swiss watchmaker certainly should have a lot of expertise in making mechanical devices. And Torbay's motor doesn't seem to be anywhere near a watch in its complexity.

Torbay's work has caught my interest, but there are a lot of vague issues underlying it all.
As such I'm looking for "simple solutions"...

I think right now, there are some people following that thread that will be spending quite a
bit of time persuing that issue...
We'll see how that goes...

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2006, 09:17:04 PM »
See, Hammel's device doesn't impress me one bit. I can show you a rotor turning if I am to hold the stator magnet and wave it the way Hammel does. Snyder's stator is stationary and I hear he has the motor already suspended on a stand (not holding it) which he'll soon show in a video. I'd like to replicate Snyder's device too. For me this will be enough to convince me forever in the validity of self-sustaining motors. I don't think also any other serious scientist would deny it either. Engineering efforts at a later stage, to bring it to a useful state, would be a trivial pursuit.

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2006, 09:18:24 PM »
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Torbay's work has caught my interest, but there are a lot of vague issues underlying it all.
As such I'm looking for "simple solutions"...

See, I'm curious what those "vague issues" might be for an expert watchmaker like you?

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2006, 09:25:43 PM »
See, Hammel's device doesn't impress me one bit. I can show you a rotor turning if I am to hold the stator magnet and wave it the way Hammel does. Snyder's stator is stationary and I hear he has the motor already suspended on a stand (not holding it) which he'll soon show in a video. I'd like to replicate Snyder's device too. For me this will be enough to convince me forever in the validity of self-sustaining motors. I don't think also any other serious scientist would deny it either. Engineering efforts at a later stage, to bring it to a useful state, would be a trivial pursuit.

That's what I'm afraid will turn-out with Snyders work. That once it's trying to be run in a stand,
not being hand-held (and receiving kinetic energy from the person holding it).
I'll be quite interested to see that video too... and // I sure would like to see the device being totally
disassembled (all parts exposed), reassembled and working again...
Building plans would be nice too :)

Wesley's simple tidder todder might be worth playing with till then, as that would already
constitute the equivelant of a "perpetual pendulum"...
which does not yet exit :)

The best "longest running" pendulum is still going after 165 years based on the Zamboni-pile...
The ATMOS clock is a pretty amazing clock working of of ambient temperature changes,
and runs for decades at a time before needing to be serviced.

Did you come across (via Google) // the Gary Wesley designs???
that simple tidder todder // that then service as a basis for his motor design???

Apparently he spent 4 years just on making that tidder todder to work perpetually
(or should I say before it wears out).

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Re: Self-Runner // Gary Wesley's Motor // Torbay
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2006, 09:29:57 PM »
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Torbay's work has caught my interest, but there are a lot of vague issues underlying it all.
As such I'm looking for "simple solutions"...

See, I'm curious what those "vague issues" might be for an expert watchmaker like you?

The rotor portion, and portions of the stator magnets - the arrangements between
them all.
One would almost have to work with a small portion of it to understand how might possibly
work.

and in part, I think the Torbay design, might possibly be based upon what Gary Wesley discovered,
and it seems that Wesleys tidder todder might bring some understandings to this.

 

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