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Offline The Observer

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2010, 06:10:53 PM »
Inq and the rest,

I thought of this about a month ago.
Sounds like the language you are talkin Inq.

Quote
March 22, 2010, 02:52:48 PM »

Hello all,

Although I do believe Resonance is a Key Factor in trying to lead out energy from a transformer,
I figured out a way that the primary of a transformer would not be aware of the secondary.
             
                             D
 ------- %---------|<1-----
             %                          |
 L-->    %                          $  <---R                              Rise time of Primary
             %                         $                                                ___|__                          _____
             %                          |                                               |           |                          |          |
-------- %------------------                                   ________|           |_____________|          |
                                                                                                                       |
                                                                                                         Decay time of RL Secondary

Here's how it works.  1. Pulse in  Primary at rise time for circuit.
                                  2. No current flows in Secondary as diode is blocking at this time.
                                  3. When Primary is off... Back pulse from Collapsing Core then allowed through Secondary R.

Thus a Transformer who's Primary is not aware of the load on the Secondary !

Am I the first person to figure this out?
                                                         
The Observer

Later I noticed  Stan Meyer was talking about his VIC? circuit in which he said the Collapsing Magnetic Field did the work.
So I'm probably not the first to think of this.  ;o)~

I am, however, an advocate of FerroMagnetic Materials Being OU.
The very fact that a Ferro can amplify the field of coil by 20,000 times (sh_T make it a million) is enough to make a person think !

               Short example to get you thinking...
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            A common Speaker is actually an OU device.

             - The speaker works because it sets up a dynamic Electromagnetic System.
             - It takes energy to set up this system.
             - When you replace the Magnet with Coil... and the take away the Ferro inside the coil connected to the amp,
                you then find out the energy needed to set up the system --- True Conservation or Energy.
            - The Magnet and Ferro inside the coil add energy to the system by virtue of unpaired spinning electrons they contain.

                In short. It takes WAY more energy to run a speaker       
                                                                                         if you take away Ferromagnetic Materials (magnet and iron from inside coil).

              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I say... the collapsing field of a high Magnetic Permeability core (make it a million) inside a coil is highly likely to give OU.

            The energy that gives the OU is called Anisotropic Energy...
                                                                                                 it is the Quantum Energy that returns Dipoles to random Positions.
                                                                                                 (Random Domains actually)

Posted is a diagram explaining the concept of  Magnetic Permeability.

The Observer

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2010, 06:10:53 PM »

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2010, 06:16:34 PM »
Hi Groundloop and Gyulasun thanks for help. Groundloop that circuit worked fine thanks. How can I hook multicoil with it?;the same as bedini coils in his circuit?.
Thanks again.

@guruji

I noticed that Groundloop's is using bifilar wound coil, but with the same
gauge wire for both windings and the same number of turns. This is not
optimal for the Bedini while it is nearly optimal for the Inquoates stand
alone coil.

Why? Bedini is using an signal inverting transistor amplifier which uses
feedback from the drive winding to the sensor winding to *suppress*
self oscillation. So the sensor ends up "hearing" only the approaching
permanent magnet pole. The problem is in a bipolar transistor, the power
to the base is wasted in the inverting amplifier design. So they drive
the base "less hard" which means more resistance and/or less turns
in the sensor coil. Inquoates design on the other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting amplifier. Non-inverting amps
easily self oscillate. Guess what, the base current ends up flowing
through emitter along with the drive current so the base power is
not totally wasted in the emitter coupled design. Since it is not
wasted an equal gauge wire in the sense and drive windings make
sense.

So the difference in the one transistor inverting and non-inverting
amp ends up creating a difference in optimal winding the composite
coil.

:MarkSCoffman
 

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2010, 08:06:12 PM »
@guruji

I noticed that Groundloop's is using bifilar wound A, but with the same
gauge wire for both windings and the same number of turns. This is not
optimal for the Bedini while it is nearly optimal for the Inquoates stand
alone coil.

Why? Bedini is using an signal inverting A A which uses
feedback from the drive winding to the sensor winding to *suppress*
self oscillation. So the sensor ends up "hearing" only the approaching
permanent magnet pole. The problem is in a bipolar A, the power
to the base is wasted in the inverting amplifier design. So they drive
the base "less hard" which means more resistance and/or less turns
in the sensor coil. Inquoates design on the other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting amplifier. Non-inverting amps
easily self oscillate. Guess what, the base current ends up flowing
through emitter along with the drive current so the base power is
not totally wasted in the emitter coupled design. Since it is not
wasted an equal gauge wire in the sense and drive windings make
sense.

So the difference in the one transistor inverting and non-inverting
amp ends up creating a difference in optimal winding the composite
coil.

:MarkSCoffman

Hi Markscoffman I am using different gauge to my bifilar and oscillation worked.
Groundloop this multi coil is good? sorry for my rough sketch I don't have component software.
Thanks

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2010, 08:06:12 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2010, 08:56:51 PM »
@guruji,

I have never tried it but it should work.

The capacitor value may need to be larger because of the higher
base current pulse needed when using several transistors. How
many coils and transistors do you plan to use?

I suggest that you experiment with different capacitor values until you
are happy with the current going through the coils.

Groundloop.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2010, 09:03:19 PM »
Quote from: Groundloop link=topic=9157.msg241315#msg241315 A=1273777011
@guruji,

I have never tried it but it should work.

The capacitor value may need to be larger because of the A
base current pulse needed when using several transistors. How
many coils and transistors do you plan to use?

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop for now I will be using another coil and transistor. So what capacitor you propose?
Thanks

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2010, 09:03:19 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2010, 12:38:56 PM »
Oh ok while posting the one before I did not see your diagram.
Ok thanks

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2010, 12:55:45 PM »
@mscoffman '' Inquorates design on the
other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting
amplifier. ''

hehe, i had no idea, it just seemed more efficient ......

@groundloop - looking forward to seeing your self oscillating coil design, i will be building it when i can - which may be a while -

thankyou for sharing your efforts

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2010, 12:55:45 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2010, 03:53:52 PM »
@Inquorate,

Attached is my new emitter follower oscillator battery charger.
The circuit is approx. 82% efficient when powering a resitive
load of 22 Ohm.

Here is what I like about this circuit:

+You can disconnect the charge battery while the circuit is powered without any harm
to the circuit. The charge battery is in series with the power coil so the circuit just stops
when the battery is disconnected.

+The circuit is self adjusting when charging. When the battery is empty then the internal
resistance of the battery is high. The charge current will then be low. When the battery
starts to charge then the internal resistance of the battery drops and the charger increase
the charge current. This will shorten the time it takes to fully charge the battery.

+There is little waste of heat in the circuit. Since this is an emitter follower oscillator then
the base currents is not wasted but goes through the power coil.

+The polarity of the power input can be accidental switched without any harm to the circuit.
The diode at the minus terminal will block the positive wire. The oscillator will simply not
run with wrong electric polarity.

+The circuit works well over a great range of input voltages. The operator can adjust the
input voltage to get the correct charge power going to the battery. The frequency of
the oscillator also goes up at higher input voltages. This improve the efficiency even
more when charging several batteries connected in series. (Battery bank).

I can say for 100% sure that this CIRCUIT is not over unity. What I can't test is if
the process of pulse charging lead acid batteries is a over unity process. I have no time to
do a endless battery swapping so I leave it up to others to prove if a pulse charging
of batteries is a over unity process.

Groundloop.


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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2010, 08:44:17 PM »
Groundloop nice JT setup I will try this too. Are there cross reference components on this cause those components seem a bit scarce.
Ok thanks

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2010, 08:44:17 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2010, 10:01:47 PM »
@guruji,

It is not a Joule Thief circuit. :(
The circuit will probably work OK with other components also.

G.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2010, 02:54:44 AM »
@Inquorate,

Attached is my new emitter follower oscillator battery charger.
The circuit is approx. 82% efficient when powering a resitive
load of 22 Ohm.

Here is what I like about this circuit:

+You can disconnect the charge battery while the circuit is powered without any harm
to the circuit. The charge battery is in series with the power coil so the circuit just stops
when the battery is disconnected.

+The circuit is self adjusting when charging. When the battery is empty then the internal
resistance of the battery is high. The charge current will then be low. When the battery
starts to charge then the internal resistance of the battery drops and the charger increase
the charge current. This will shorten the time it takes to fully charge the battery.

+There is little waste of heat in the circuit. Since this is an emitter follower oscillator then
the base currents is not wasted but goes through the power coil.

+The polarity of the power input can be accidental switched without any harm to the circuit.
The diode at the minus terminal will block the positive wire. The oscillator will simply not
run with wrong electric polarity.

+The circuit works well over a great range of input voltages. The operator can adjust the
input voltage to get the correct charge power going to the battery. The frequency of
the oscillator also goes up at higher input voltages. This improve the efficiency even
more when charging several batteries connected in series. (Battery bank).

I can say for 100% sure that this CIRCUIT is not over unity. What I can't test is if
the process of pulse charging lead acid batteries is a over unity process. I have no time to
do a endless battery swapping so I leave it up to others to prove if a pulse charging
of batteries is a over unity process.

Groundloop.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2010, 02:54:44 AM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2010, 01:08:46 PM »
How can I delay the voltage spike from secondary of bifilar coil to increase charge time?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6qxhCVST-M

Image

http://inquorate.vox.com/library/post/how-can-i-delay-the-voltage-spike-from-secondary-of-bifilar-coil-to-increase-charge-time.html

Any suggestions welcome :)

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2010, 06:35:09 PM »
I know you are way smarter on this stuff than I am so I hesitate to even suggest this as I'm sure there is a reason you haven't considered it but just in case it might work:  a cap and a spark gap? 

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2010, 08:00:50 PM »
Groundloop I've build that multicoil but it did not work :-\ .
I had to modify that instead of a 100k resistor I did a pot cause it's oscillating on about 2k or less I should find the exact resistance and do a solid one cause it's burning the pot every time.
About the multicoil I should see what is the problem maybe I'm using asmall cap  104 and should do it bigger as you told me. I have to experiment more.
Thanks

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2010, 08:55:50 PM »
@guruji,

Try a larger ceramic capacitor.
If you use a small resistor value then use a 1 to 2 watt type.

Also try to swap the trigger coil. The oscillator will also run if the trigger coil is swapped wrong
and the bias to the transistors is set very high as you did. The resistor is just there to
give the transistor a LITTLE positive bias so that the oscillator will start to run. After that
the capacitor will AC couple the trigger coil to the emitter and keep the oscillator going.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 09:57:11 PM by Groundloop »

 

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