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Offline Inquorate

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cop > 1
« on: May 09, 2010, 11:42:08 PM »
09052010284 - Vox

Plain and simple.

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=-MjwCrbZPaQ&nomobile=1

Www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Quav2TbN6OU&nomobile=1

Www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?s=bb1ce9e4dec3f8bffd29a289de8c5cde&t=113


I don't think the frequency matters that much, just make the pulse width long enough to build a magnetic field in the inductor, and no longer. Then cut the pulse so there is a reverse voltage spike. Both the initial pulse and the recovered spike charge the charge battery at 60 percent efficiency. That equals 120 percent.

Keep the pulses far enough apart that the charge battery doesn't start to boil; cells get destroyed. Keep the pulses close enough together, and the ions in the charge battery will overcome their inertia and keep going (charging), while the source batteries' ions will not.


To find the saturation point for any inductor using a scope,

09052010285 - Vox

You'll see that the voltage from the coil collapse will stop increasing when the pulse width gets beyond a certain point.

Or, without a scope, a voltmeter on a high voltage recovery cap to measure the top voltage will probably suffice. Once the voltage recovered stops increasing, you've found the saturation point.

Here's the scope shots to expect
Www.inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d0123de3f1b57860d.html


The topmost waveform is from the sig gen, the next from coil - emitter junction andgrounded on the rightmost vertical line, the bottom one is from the charge battery positive and grounded as previous.

As you can see, the charge battery spends a lot more time charging than the source batteries spend discharging.

this was the best video I did for scope shots

YouTube - ts bedini hybrid, for ewizard

Here's the underlying theory;

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=bQFP_8V7u1o&nomobile=1

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=mJekKwfOlv4&nomobile=1

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=DRv1p3HJAjg&nomobile=1

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=IgfVny7d6MQ&nomobile=1


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cop > 1
« on: May 09, 2010, 11:42:08 PM »

Offline Inquorate

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cop > 1
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 11:49:14 PM »
09052010284 - Vox


Plain and simple.


www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=-MjwCrbZPaQ&nomobile=1


Www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Quav2TbN6OU&nomobile=1


Www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?s=bb1ce9e4dec3f8bffd29a289de8c5cde&t=113


I don't think the frequency matters that much, just make the pulse width long enough to build a magnetic field in the inductor, and no longer. Then cut the pulse so there is a reverse voltage spike. Both the initial pulse and the recovered spike charge the charge battery at 60 percent efficiency. That equals 120 percent.

Keep the pulses far enough apart that the charge battery doesn't start to boil; cells get destroyed. Keep the pulses close enough together, and the ions in the charge battery will overcome their inertia and keep going (charging), while the source batteries' ions will not.


To find the saturation point for any inductor using a scope,

http://inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d01347eecb5ab860b.html

You'll see that the voltage from the coil collapse will stop increasing when the pulse width gets beyond a certain point.

Or, without a scope, a voltmeter on a high voltage recovery cap to measure the top voltage will probably suffice. Once the voltage recovered stops increasing, you've found the saturation point.


Here's the scope shots to expect
Www.inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d0123de3f1b57860d.html


The topmost waveform is from the sig gen, the next from coil - emitter junction andgrounded on the rightmost vertical line, the bottom one is from the charge battery positive and grounded as previous.

As you can see, the charge battery spends a lot more time charging than the source batteries spend discharging.


this was the best video I did for scope shots


http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Fzid4bLJ7fU&nomobile=1

Here's the underlying theory;


www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=bQFP_8V7u1o&nomobile=1

www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=mJekKwfOlv4&nomobile=1


www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=DRv1p3HJAjg&nomobile=1


www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=IgfVny7d6MQ&nomobile=1


Thanks for your interest

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 06:15:38 PM »
hey Inquorate,

Nice diagram over there and working concept.
Have you checked it by the way? Are you 100% possitive that produces OU?
Have you make repeatable experiments that confirm it?

Or just you express noble wishes?

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 06:15:38 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 07:03:28 PM »
Hi Inquorate,

Have you considered testing your setup with high value capacitors instead of the battery?  Could the working principle remain valid for capacitors?

Or you think the battery chemical effect (like in Bedini's case) is also needed here to get COP>1?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 09:17:26 PM »
@Inquorate;

These threads on overunity.com seem relevant to your device:

Thread Link: Mechanical setups/Bedini Systems/Bedini SSG self sustaining/

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7997.0

Summary;
User Plengo constructs a microprocessor test board with sufficient capability
to swap batteries in a setup like this. He also discusses seeing battery
surface charge that may be applicable to this unit. Significantly, he was
never able to demonstrate a self running battery swapping capability using
a Bedini circuit.

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I was thinking is that it is possible to build a rough inexpensive VFC voltage
to frequency converter using a 78L05 regulator, CMOS NE555 PWM voltage
measuring system that could continuously send back voltage measurements
from each of the three acid/lead batteries to the microprocessor via AC
bypass caps.

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Thread Link: Electronic Solid State Setup/Joule Thief/
Second Stage Joule Thief circuits/

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8334.0

Summary;
Users Groundloop and GadgetMall construct a microprocessor based
Load Regulator that is set up to turn on and discharge a battery through
a known load of one watt second per second when it's voltage state of
charge of the battery is high and turn it off when the voltage state
of charge of the battery drops.

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Two inexpensive alarm clocks could be used to show the integrated
time of; (a) The total run time of the experiment, and (b) the total
time the dummy user load is turned on. Over time, eventually exceeding
the capacity of the batteries to store energy, by any number of times.

The thread concludes here;

Thread Link: OverUnity Prize/Devices applied for the OU prize/
OU prize OFFICIAL ENTRY/

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8332.0

Summary;
Significantly what was seen as so much overunity energy seems to
have disappeared during actual testing with adequate instrumentation.

You don't have to show these things, and neither does Steorn.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 09:17:26 PM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »
@Inquorate,

Can you tell a bit more about the coil you used?
- does it have a core? If so, what material?
- do you know the coil value?
- do you know the number of windings?
- Type of wire used for the coil?
- Single winding? Or multiple?

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 09:39:45 PM »
@Inquorate,

I have made my version of your battery charge circuit. My setup runs
as an oscillator. A high Ohm resistor will bias the base of the transistor
so the oscillation starts. The oscillator AC coupling is through the capacitor.
The size (in value) of the capacitor will set the circuit current usage and
thus the output power. The circuit uses approx. 10mA at 24 volt with the
capacitor value in the drawing.

[EDIT] 3 hour charge: The sulphate on the battery plates is now decreasing and the
          battery internal resistance is dropping. The first high voltage was surface
          charge. The voltage is now 11.85 volt and dropping. 

[EDIT]  4,5 hour charge: Voltage dropped to 11.67 volt and started to increase again.
           Now the battery voltage is up to 11,93 voltage. The battery is starting to gain
           real charge.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 11:54:59 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 09:39:45 PM »
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Offline gauschor

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 09:54:13 PM »
Summary;
Significantly what was seen as so much overunity energy seems to
have disappeared during actual testing with adequate instrumentation.

You don't have to show these things, and neither does Steorn.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Mhm interesting, I've read nothing about Steorn anymore, so it's a "phantom" overunity as well?

Now that you summarized that I'd suggest that we should make a sticky thread showing which "free energy"/overunity devices have to be proven not working or at least not with useful results (including phantom Overunity)
So a list and each one has a short summary why they didn't work or what failures were made during that time (e.g. some of them were only collecting radio station signals etc.).

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 11:06:26 PM »
@Inquorate,

Can you tell a bit more about the coil you used?
- does it have a core? If so, what material?
- do you know the coil value?
- do you know the number of windings?
- Type of wire used for the coil?
- Single winding? Or multiple?

@teslaalset

You'll need to visit his blogsite and watch his videos...
He gives the metric dimensions. 1mh.
It is an inductor, air core, wound on a plastic wire spool.
20 AWG copper, coating insulated, wire. 80turns...I think.

@groundloop

Are you going to demo battery swapping? You might be able to adapt
your existing mpu signals to do it. I kind of like his opto coupled NE555
driver as it won't go frequency agile on low voltage batteries. He
seems to imply that each battery capacity requires a specific
tuned frequency.?.

@gauscher

>Mhm interesting, I've read nothing about Steorn anymore, so it's >a "phantom" overunity as well?

Not phantom overunity...phantom intelligence.  :D
Refusal to show what folks actually want to see.
It can be organizationally fatal though.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 11:06:26 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 11:40:44 PM »
@mscoffman,

No, I wont do a battery swapping. It takes way to long to test.
I will try to charge my super capacitor (2,7 volt 650 Farad) later on.
But first I like to see how this circuit charges my lead acid battery.

Groundloop.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 03:01:24 AM »
Groundloop,  thanks for sharing that (and thanks Inquorate for all the info here).  Do you know the approximate output current with the existing cap?  And being a bit out of touch in circuit design I have to ask if you want more current out would you go to a bigger farad value or lower value? 

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 03:01:24 AM »
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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 07:27:37 AM »
@e2matrix,

Using a bigger farad value will increase the AC coupling from the trigger coil L1 to
the emitter of the transistor, thus increasing the AC coupling to the base. This will
give more base current and thus, more pulse current through L2. The DC bias can
also be set higher by using less Ohm value on R1. The maximum current through
the coils is set by the size (inductance) of the coils. You can also increase the
circuit current usage by lowering the inductance in the coil by using a permanent
magnet against the core. I got 0,12 Amp, at 24 volt by using a Neo on the core.
I have not measured the output power of the circuit yet.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 10:26:26 AM »
@All,

I have measured the COP by charging a super capacitor.
Still a long way to go to reach COP>1 in my circuit.

Groundloop.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 10:30:32 AM »
hey Inquorate,

Nice diagram over there and working concept.
Have you checked it by the way? Are you 100% possitive that produces OU?
Have you make repeatable experiments that confirm it?
 

If you take a look at the links i posted, you will see that the answer to both your questions is yes.

Thanks for your interest.

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Re: cop > 1
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 10:35:39 AM »
Hi Inquorate,

Have you considered testing your setup with high value capacitors instead of the battery?  Could the working principle remain valid for capacitors?

Or you think the battery chemical effect (like in Bedini's case) is also needed here to get COP>1?

Thanks,  Gyula

 

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