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Title: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on May 08, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
I couldn't find Dr. Timothy Thrapp's affiliated www.witts.ws website - seems a 404.  The Youtube account his vids were first displayed on is also no longer available. Any thoughts?
B
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: NTesla on May 09, 2010, 12:24:07 PM
WITTS sent me this message:

"Website
having technical issues. give our volunteers a few weeks to fix it

thx!"

See this thread for more info: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9134.0
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: gyulasun on May 09, 2010, 01:55:17 PM
Yes, but a website maintenance or any technical issue has got Nothing to do with a fully independent youtube video store,  why they took their videos down then?
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on May 09, 2010, 07:01:25 PM
"Dr. Thrapp"?  :D Gee last time I checked he was "Sir Timothy Trapp" and prior to that he was an inmate with Arizona State Corrections doing time on fraud charges.

In regard to the hot water heater, the technology is real (unlike Thrapp and his merry band or retarded con artists) and even Tesla stated this when Tesla said "with the round form, all things become possible."

Why does it work? Because the chamber is isotropic meaning it resonates equally from all directions. This compresses the water in the center when it is at resonance. This compression causes the universe to push back at the speed and pressure of the universe when the electron orbit gets too close to the proton center. (speed of light) This sonofusion then results in fission known as electron cascade effect and that is why there is a "electron blue" glow in the center of the tank. (see water glow experiment)

The technology was offered for sale in China for a short time but was suppressed.

If you really think that Thrapp is going to build a factory or tell you how to make it you are a fool. The device is so simple that if you need help building it, you need to find a new hobby. Most likely Thrapp was busted and is now paying his dues to the man by gathering names of free energy inventors and ripping them off to weaken them in the process.

Thrapps tank held approx. 1.8 gals of water. If you do the math using the speed of sound through water, you can calculate that his piezo was operating at around 2500 hz which is a common off the shelf resonant frequency for piezo material.

You don't need the center piezo sensor in the tank, it can be replaced with another piezo on the other side and a micro-controller can do the math on the frequency. You will need to adjust the frequency as the water heats or salinity changes since that affects the speed of sound through water so the micro-controller is useful anyway..

It is without a doubt one of the easiest free energy devices to build once you build the tank and have the piezo manufactured. Personally, I would size the tank around an off the shelf piezo that has the focal point that is close to what you need for that tank size. You can obtain immersible piezo transducers up to 900 degrees F.

Here are three rules to understanding free energy devices:

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass, not the chemical energy. The energy is free since only the universe is capable of compressing the energy into mass and it takes very little energy to cause it to convert back. I.e., I can convert the chemical energy stored in a forest of trees with a single spark.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to accomplish that conversion.

3. There are many ways to produce acceleration, vacuum, magnetic compression centrifugal force, ect. can all be used to produce acceleration. Understand the different methods of compression and you understand how they all work.

If a free energy device is real, you will be able to spot the acceleration device. I.e., notice that Don Smith always used silver coated wire on his devices shown on youtube? Watch the youtube videos about E.V. Gray and notice how he states the use of silver wire?

That clueless punk from energetic forum had the balls to tell me how I should stick to something I know and how he knows so much about EV Gray while he uses copper wire and has no clue how any of these devices work. I know how most of them work and they all basically work the same at a core level.

I also laid out the big secret to Meyer on another thread, you can read it here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9104.msg240889#msg240889

EDIT  One last note - Einstein was most likely working for J.P.Morgan. Einstein changed Maxwell's E=M into E-MC2 which is wrong - Maxwell had it right. Mass to atomic energy conversion = MC2 and E=M.

The atomic energy contained within the mass is something along the line of 10 to the 23 power the mass. So 1 gram of hydrogen can produce 1 gram of force but when converted into atomic energy can produce 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of force. There may also be an exponent which is the number of protons but don't quote me on that.

Bottom line, that is how all free energy devices work and it does not violate thermodynamics when you use the atomic energy to calculate it instead of the chemical energy. That is how they trick students in school into thinking they are impossible.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: ZeroFossilFuel on June 23, 2010, 01:15:56 AM
If you want a good wrap up of witts, and maybe a chuckle or two, check out my video #228
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5q-pQy2uXA

Cheers!

Z
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: NTesla on July 02, 2010, 09:33:03 AM
The WITTS web site is back online! Doesn't look different than before, however it is curious to me WHY they have been offline for so long...
 :-\
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 03, 2010, 03:51:36 AM
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The WITTS web site is back online! Doesn't look different than before, however it is curious to me WHY they have been offline for so long...

Thanks for the update, NT. Checked it out today. - Curious indeed!!!
B
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 03, 2010, 08:13:53 AM
Wow, I thought they might have been busted for fraud.

Oh well.

Bill
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: markdansie on July 04, 2010, 12:05:19 AM
Hi Bill,
it would b a logical conclusion to reach given their past histories.
however its a bit like fishing, they put the site back up as you never know what you might catch.
The possability I thought of was a potential investor asked the site to be pulled down why they did their due diligence. Now they found nothing worthwhile they have to go again.
The thing that amuses me over the years is that (and I have met TT) they are nice people. however they are willing always to do demonstrations but never validations. It is a bit like going the Vegas and seeing the show but never learning the trick
Mark
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Thaelin on July 04, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
   Might want to check their provider service. Did it change? A lot of sites go off line
only to pop up again. But with a new provider as the old one refused them any more
service.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Sprocket on July 06, 2010, 02:52:48 AM
Hi Bill,
it would b a logical conclusion to reach given their past histories.
however its a bit like fishing, they put the site back up as you never know what you might catch.
The possability I thought of was a potential investor asked the site to be pulled down why they did their due diligence. Now they found nothing worthwhile they have to go again.
The thing that amuses me over the years is that (and I have met TT) they are nice people. however they are willing always to do demonstrations but never validations. It is a bit like going the Vegas and seeing the show but never learning the trick
Mark

Hi.  I'm just wondering what form their demonstrations take - have you actually gotten to see some of their stuff running?  If so, was it possible to get up-close-and-personal with the gizmo's - or is it a "don't cross this line" affair?
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: markdansie on July 06, 2010, 05:48:28 AM
@sprocket
I have seen a few videos (some Timothy showed me in person) and spoken with others who have been and in some cases filmed demonstrations. You are right in that you can see it work , but don't cross the line so to speak in that any internals or other odds and ends cannot be viewed unless you want to part with bucket loads of money (and no guarentees)
I am happy to be proved wrong or someone else may come forward with more details who may have been priverledge to see at lot more.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on July 06, 2010, 10:13:41 AM
That is what happens when you mix science and religion. They are opposite in every way and in the end, they both lose. If Thrapp was releasing info. like he claims when you become a member, people would share that and you would hear about it. One other thing would happen, the government would shut him down for fraud.

The reality is, Thrapp is working against free energy by ripping people off. That destroys the credibility of the free energy movement. Typical scum hiding behind religion. We have not seen this level of scum since the catholic church was burning people for disagreeing that the universe revolves around the Sun.

The technology is real but the WITTS crew are scam artists. That should be obvious to anyone living in reality.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Sprocket on July 07, 2010, 04:06:21 AM
Hmm, that's a little harsh, as a far as I'm aware, they have never ripped anyone off and no one is forcing anyone to give them 'donations' - in other words, no Perendev-like behaviour...
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 07, 2010, 09:48:28 PM
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That is what happens when you mix science and religion. They are opposite in every way and in the end, they both lose.   

 Typical scum hiding behind religion. We have not seen this level of scum since the catholic church was burning people for disagreeing that the universe revolves around the Sun.

Last time I checked, autentic science and authentic religion both look for the truth. There is no contradiction between them. And the Catholic Church didn't burn anyone for subscribing to Galileo's heliocentric understanding of the universe.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 07, 2010, 10:13:27 PM
Last time I checked, autentic science and authentic religion both look for the truth. There is no contradiction between them. And the Catholic Church didn't burn anyone for subscribing to Galileo's heliocentric understanding of the universe.
religion looking for the truth? they don't even dare to vet their deity much less 'the book'...  surely you are joking? if not please start a new thread and present your evidence. please don't quote the bible as proof, it is not.

"religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." --  h.l. mencken
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on July 08, 2010, 04:48:25 AM
Hmm, that's a little harsh, as a far as I'm aware, they have never ripped anyone off and no one is forcing anyone to give them 'donations' - in other words, no Perendev-like behaviour...

WITTS promises that "you will have access to all information once you become a member" which costs about $200 US for a short telephone consult. Not one person has ever said that they actually do that "as far as I am aware". I have heard quite the opposite from several people.

Next I have many email contacts that are similar to zerofozzilefuel's experience. You can watch his video.

One of the pillars of all consumer law is that both buyer and seller know ALL the terms and conditions.

When you offer something in exchange for something, that is NOT a donation, that is a business deal or selling a product.

WITTS on one hand says you will have access to all info. and on the other refuse to tell you what info. you have access to until you make a donation.

When someone misleads others in order to profit that is called fraud in every country on Earth.

Lastly, if they were disclosing "all information" they would be shut down since free energy devices  are illegal in the US under national security laws and those laws are global in scope. You need to talk to a qualified international patent attorney to learn more about military marching orders and section 93 part 141, the national security laws, etc.

The ultrasonic water heater was developed in China and for sale for a short time before it disappeared.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1340946.pdf

If you really think they are going to build a factory and sell these, you have a lot learn about free energy suppression. You will not only be allowed to sell them, you will not be able to disclose how they work or that you are under a gag order. The patent process and a gag order is their first line of defense. Angel investors and a fraud trial are second and if that does not work, they will kill you. Stan Meyer was slow to catch on but then he didn't realize that the zionist organized syndicate that rules the Earth is not going to give up on of their primary control levers - energy.

The Gulf oil spill is a bit harsh. Two wars for pipelines and poppies that killed over 100,000 people is a bit harsh, etc. The Gaza blockade that will Allow Israel to steal the only oil and gas around is a bit harsh, etc.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on July 08, 2010, 04:59:03 AM
Last time I checked, authentic science and authentic religion both look for the truth. There is no contradiction between them. And the Catholic Church didn't burn anyone for subscribing to Galileo's heliocentric understanding of the universe.

Last time I checked, there has NEVER been "authentic science or religion". Are you being serious or... I think it would be quite pointless to communicate with you.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 09, 2010, 04:02:05 AM
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Last time I checked, there has NEVER been "authentic science or religion". Are you being serious or... I think it would be quite pointless to communicate with you.

You are right in as much as human persons' imperfections and blind spots (even apart from ill or misleading intent) keep science and religion from being authentic. However, are we not here because we are endeavouring to do authenic science in some small way, despite our own imperfections? In the same way, every religious group's members have their imperfections and blind spots, and bearers of misleading/ill intent. Despite the efforts of the latter, there will always be a spiritual backbone of good persons who seek to live a life of goodness while nurturing and celebrating it in some kind of formalized way. There have been many honourable scientists who have tried to practise both. I'm not going to dig for names, however Louis Pasteur and Dr. Rosalie Bertell are two who come to mind.

I have not met T. Thrapp, and cannot speak for his motivations either as a scientist nor as a religious person. However, I do know that when people strive to honestly seek the truth in either camp, there is often hell to pay due to opposition from those who have been misled, those who seek to mislead or maintain inordinate power/influence/monopoly or those who simply cannot open their minds and hearts to a new paradigm. So perhaps our views are not far apart at all. Hopefully, we can find some common ground, as I have no reason to doubt your sincerity in our common search for scientific knowledge which has been obfuscated at times by both the scientific and religious communities. And yet, at their best, I still believe that science and religion are compatible in as much as they openly and honestly seek after the truth for the betterment of all humankind.
Regards,
Bob
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 04:25:42 AM
just exactly how do you consider blind faith in imaginary savior entities to be "honestly seeking after the truth"?

the only thing science and religion have in common is a stubborn adherence to entrenched dogma even when evidence, or lack thereof, shows otherwise...
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: NTesla on July 09, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
Just visited their web site again and got this:

"404 Not Found
The requested URL / does not exist."

I wonder...are they being silenced?

 :-\
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 09, 2010, 03:45:04 PM
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just exactly how do you consider blind faith in imaginary savior entities to be "honestly seeking after the truth"?

the only thing science and religion have in common is a stubborn adherence to entrenched dogma even when evidence, or lack thereof, shows otherwise...

Blind faith can be a real tragedy. Faith has to work in concert with reason. Otherwise, it runs the risk of leading to cultish manipulation, with devastating results - look at Jonestown. Part of the reasoning that accompanies the assent of faith will come from the witness ('testamentum' in Latin - from which we get 'test' in science [to verify or refute hypotheses]). 

Authentic faith and authentic science have much in common. Inauthenticity in either is tragic.
B
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 09:48:26 PM
Blind faith can be a real tragedy. Faith has to work in concert with reason. Otherwise, it runs the risk of leading to cultish manipulation, with devastating results - look at Jonestown. Part of the reasoning that accompanies the assent of faith will come from the witness ('testamentum' in Latin - from which we get 'test' in science [to verify or refute hypotheses]). 

Authentic faith and authentic science have much in common. Inauthenticity in either is tragic.
B
reason never accompanies faith. if something is reasonable, you don't need faith. faith is a belief 'not resting on logical proof or material evidence.' your response does not address my question, you're just dancing around it. i'll repeat it.

just exactly how do you consider blind faith in imaginary savior entities to be "honestly seeking after the truth"?
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 09:58:33 PM
Just visited their web site again and got this:

"404 Not Found
The requested URL / does not exist."

I wonder...are they being silenced?

 :-\
probably being silenced by god... ;)
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: icanbeatbob on July 09, 2010, 10:10:40 PM
Bob,
There are so many religions out there. Which one is right? Is one better than the other. Is there only one truth? There is no logic in religion. The religion people choose are mostly based upon what they are exposed to. Others choose because of a feeling they get, even though they have not looked into other religions. Science and religion don't mix well because "the word of ones god" in written form varies and has many interpretations within each religion. People believe "the word" over truth in what they see and hear. Blind faith is dangerous at any level. Blind faith leaves one blind.

In saying that, I will be the first to say that I do not know of what is real out there. From my own experiences, it does seem that science and spirituality (not religion) seem to be coming closer together.

Have a good day.

Brad
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 09, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
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reason never accompanies faith. if something is reasonable, you don't need faith.
Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree there. Faith certainly embraces what reason alone cannot explain - but an assent of faith cannot be made without reason. In order to have faith in something or someone, doing such has to based on some form of reasoning, which serves as a foundation for a so-called 'leap of faith.' Otherwise it is what you call "blind." I don't subscribe to blind faith. I gather that you do not either, so I guess we can agree on this one point.

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faith is a belief 'not resting on logical proof or material evidence.' your response does not address my question, you're just dancing around it. i'll repeat it.

just exactly how do you consider blind faith in imaginary savior entities to be "honestly seeking after the truth"
Well, I think I've answered the first part of our question. I don't subscribe to blind faith without logic or some sort of evidence or reason. If this question remains for you, it will have to be someone else who needs to answer it, as I quite literally cannot.

As far as "imaginary savior entities," I have one comment on your use of the word "imaginary."  With respect to you as a reasonable person, I wouldn't expect anyone to put their faith in someone's talk of imaginary entities, savior or otherwise.  I doubt that you would either.  If it is imaginary, then as a reasonable person, it would be ridiculous for you or I to put faith in it.

As far as the word "savior" is concerned...
     Well, when I was a child, I put my faith in my mother's being there to welcome me home after school. I had experienced her caring presence, and believed in her unconditional interest in my well-being. I put faith in my father's presence as a caring guardian based on my reasoning that emerged from having experienced his care for me.  However, my parents both had their failings...
     I put my faith in friends, teachers, bosses at work and colleagues, who although well-meaning to various degrees all failed me in some ways - my faith, through this painful realization, was badly misplaced.
     One by one all the persons and things (e.g., money, success, reputation) I had put faith in failed me. As a younger man, I finally found myself sick in bed with no one there, and no one else to put my faith in. The witness of others around me about a God interested in my welfare became my only reasonable option left. Having exhaused all unreasonable options, I entrusted myself completely to one through whom the reasoning of others I had known as God - a leap of faith based on reason. I was ready to die either way.
     In this act of faith, I found peace that was rooted in understanding, and yet went beyond it. That peace has never left me. And so my assent of faith has become a relationship with a divine Person whose being surpasses all other beings, persons or things (which also have failed to bring me peace).  I have lived now for over 20 years with this peace. It has stood the test of time, and has never disappointed me. 

We are all free creatures. If anyone can find deep true and lasting peace to sustain them, to bring perspective and meaning in any other way, they are free to do so. I have made my choice, and have never had reason to believe otherwise, as faith and reason do and must go together.
I would not recommend that anyone make an assent in faith to anything that is not based on reason. I have answered as honestly and directly as I can.

Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Bob Smith on July 09, 2010, 11:50:06 PM
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In saying that, I will be the first to say that I do not know of what is real out there. From my own experiences, it does seem that science and spirituality (not religion) seem to be coming closer together.

Have a good day.

Brad

Brad, I think you'll find my response to your opinions on 'blind faith' in my previous post. Seems we can all agree blind faith is not a good thing.

I agree in principle with your comment on science and spirituality. For me, spirituality is the way people live their faith. If by 'religion' you mean the empty practice of ritual with no corresponding deep conversion to love of neighbour, I am with you. Lots of very religious people out there whose example would cause me to stay far away.

For me, if religion does not foster faith, then it isn't doing its job. Religion is at the service of faith, which in addition to being at the service of finding ultimate meaning, is also at the service of truth, as is science. If religion fails in its job of fostering faith's search for truth, it should not be brought into science - it can poison science if it does not seek the truth, and yet insists on guiding and informing scientific inquiry. In fact, I would say that one can be a religious person and a person of faith, and simply do good science without ever mentioning religion or science. But some see their work as a form of witness to what they believe, and feel compelled to speak about it - that's okay; I think the world's a big enough place to allow for this. We can all test the words of others and make our reasonable decisions.  Personally, I think the witness of genuine human kindness speaks about faith more loudly than anything else, tho' sometimes words are necessary.
All the best,
Bob
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 10, 2010, 01:15:16 AM
Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree there. Faith certainly embraces what reason alone cannot explain - but an assent of faith cannot be made without reason. In order to have faith in something or someone, doing such has to based on some form of reasoning, which serves as a foundation for a so-called 'leap of faith.' Otherwise it is what you call "blind." I don't subscribe to blind faith. I gather that you do not either, so I guess we can agree on this one point.
Well, I think I've answered the first part of our question. I don't subscribe to blind faith without logic or some sort of evidence or reason. If this question remains for you, it will have to be someone else who needs to answer it, as I quite literally cannot.

As far as "imaginary savior entities," I have one comment on your use of the word "imaginary."  With respect to you as a reasonable person, I wouldn't expect anyone to put their faith in someone's talk of imaginary entities, savior or otherwise.  I doubt that you would either.  If it is imaginary, then as a reasonable person, it would be ridiculous for you or I to put faith in it.

As far as the word "savior" is concerned...
     Well, when I was a child, I put my faith in my mother's being there to welcome me home after school. I had experienced her caring presence, and believed in her unconditional interest in my well-being. I put faith in my father's presence as a caring guardian based on my reasoning that emerged from having experienced his care for me.  However, my parents both had their failings...
     I put my faith in friends, teachers, bosses at work and colleagues, who although well-meaning to various degrees all failed me in some ways - my faith, through this painful realization, was badly misplaced.
     One by one all the persons and things (e.g., money, success, reputation) I had put faith in failed me. As a younger man, I finally found myself sick in bed with no one there, and no one else to put my faith in. The witness of others around me about a God interested in my welfare became my only reasonable option left. Having exhaused all unreasonable options, I entrusted myself completely to one through whom the reasoning of others I had known as God - a leap of faith based on reason. I was ready to die either way.
     In this act of faith, I found peace that was rooted in understanding, and yet went beyond it. That peace has never left me. And so my assent of faith has become a relationship with a divine Person whose being surpasses all other beings, persons or things (which also have failed to bring me peace).  I have lived now for over 20 years with this peace. It has stood the test of time, and has never disappointed me. 

We are all free creatures. If anyone can find deep true and lasting peace to sustain them, to bring perspective and meaning in any other way, they are free to do so. I have made my choice, and have never had reason to believe otherwise, as faith and reason do and must go together.
I would not recommend that anyone make an assent in faith to anything that is not based on reason. I have answered as honestly and directly as I can.
you can disagree, but you can't refute it with logic... an assent of faith cannot be made without fallacious reason. furthermore, words have definitions so we are all on the same page when using those words, making up definitions to suit your rationalizations is ridiculous. faith is a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."
faith in imaginary savior entities is the core precept of most religions, specifically christianity. they have FAITH that a savior will save them. it's called FAITH because there is not one shred of evidence that such a being exists, nor can logic 'prove' the existence of said savior... therefore imaginary is not so far off. i'm not saying a 'creator' CAN'T exist, i am saying BELIEVING in one without a shred of evidence is FAITH, blind or otherwise is irrelevant... if one applies reason, the conclusion is thus: the most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by homo sapiens is that the lord god of creation, shaper and ruler of the universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history.

more to the topic, thrapp and his cohorts are about the farthest thing possible from 'christian', but then most that claim to be 'christian' do not follow christ's teachings...
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on July 10, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
you can disagree, but you can't refute it with logic... an assent of faith cannot be made without fallacious reason. furthermore, words have definitions so we are all on the same page when using those words, making up definitions to suit your rationalizations is ridiculous. faith is a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."
faith in imaginary savior entities is the core precept of most religions, specifically christianity. they have FAITH that a savior will save them. it's called FAITH because there is not one shred of evidence that such a being exists, nor can logic 'prove' the existence of said savior... therefore imaginary is not so far off. i'm not saying a 'creator' CAN'T exist, i am saying BELIEVING in one without a shred of evidence is FAITH, blind or otherwise is irrelevant... if one applies reason, the conclusion is thus: the most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by homo sapiens is that the lord god of creation, shaper and ruler of the universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history.

more to the topic, thrapp and his cohorts are about the farthest thing possible from 'christian', but then most that claim to be 'christian' do not follow christ's teachings...

I have no idea who you are but I finally found someone that THINKS like I do or even at all. You live in reality and that is difficult to find. You understand that words have meaning and the difference between a magical thought and reality. The direct and logical way you not only express those thoughts but stand your ground tells me that you have integrity at all thought levels.

I have searched the web for such a creature that has the same interests and thought processes as myself and had all but given up.

WilbyInebriated, if you would be willing to be my lord and savior, I would be honored.  ;D

Sorry I gushed out my emotions there but just needed to take a moment to worship quite possibly the only other sane human on Earth.

PS - Are you hiring disciples? You do have a book deal yet? Christ didn't get a book deal until several hundred years after his death and it was written by people that had never met him and then edited thousands of times by people that had never met the writers.

If you look at a King James bible written prior to circa 1930 you will find the line - "five Gods came together and created man". Five ET species and all the evidence is in your DNA. Your DNA is more simple than a blade of grass or a fly but then it was custom engineered by the Gods.

Iconically, Thrapp is showing the skeletal remains of the giants that once roamed the Earth. Maybe he gets that aspect of creation after all is trying to use religion as a shield from taxes and the man. Regardless, by not sharing his knowledge makes him a capitalist either way. Christ was a communist, born of a virgin implanted by ET. There is a 2000 year old painting in France of Mary holding Jesus with a UFO parked behind her.

The bible is the history of ET creation of the Earth for anyone sane enough to know what they are reading.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: icanbeatbob on July 10, 2010, 02:18:24 AM
Bob,
I am going to have to agree with Wil on this. Maybe not so strongly, but his rebuttal is certainly logical. Ask anyone why they believe the way they do about religion. My uncle, for instance, is a big christian. He says he believes because it is in the bible. Even though his wife, my aunt, suffers so much with illnesses. She is absolutely the most wonderful, generous, kind, compassionate and caring person one could ever meet. They believe god works in mysterious ways. It is in gods plan. With all do respect, anyone who has faith in any religion that allows the kind of suffering as we see today in many many good people is pretty screwed up.

You found something that made you feel better. You found peace in yourself so you believe and now have faith. I find that once this happens to someone of any religion, it is all but impossible for them to see beyond that, even though there is so much more to see. Faith in religion supposedly opens ones eyes. Faith in something that makes them feel better and has no bearing with reality. For me, I don't need the bible to understand what is right or wrong, good or bad. I knew that when I was 3. Also, I didn't need religion or faith to find myself.

Bob, please do not misunderstand me. I am not attacking. It is good that you found your peace, but to say you found understanding makes little sense. No one can possibly understand what is not understandable. I believe, what you found is something you can comprehend that allows your emotions to change to a state that makes you feel more comfortable. Truth in faith, like Wil said, is a belief, not resting on proof.

I do not condemn or oppose those with religious faith. If it works for you and does not impose on my life, then more power to you. I cannot change your mind because you have faith. Even if I could prove you wrong, your faith and religious beliefs would not allow you to accept it no matter how much proof there was. I sure wish you had some way of convincing me that your way was the right way. I am open to all that wish for others to do better, as long as it is not blind faith.

Regards,
Brad
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 10, 2010, 05:24:27 AM
I have no idea who you are but I finally found someone that THINKS like I do or even at all. You live in reality and that is difficult to find. You understand that words have meaning and the difference between a magical thought and reality. The direct and logical way you not only express those thoughts but stand your ground tells me that you have integrity at all thought levels.

I have searched the web for such a creature that has the same interests and thought processes as myself and had all but given up.

WilbyInebriated, if you would be willing to be my lord and savior, I would be honored.  ;D

Sorry I gushed out my emotions there but just needed to take a moment to worship quite possibly the only other sane human on Earth.

PS - Are you hiring disciples? You do have a book deal yet? Christ didn't get a book deal until several hundred years after his death and it was written by people that had never met him and then edited thousands of times by people that had never met the writers.

If you look at a King James bible written prior to circa 1930 you will find the line - "five Gods came together and created man". Five ET species and all the evidence is in your DNA. Your DNA is more simple than a blade of grass or a fly but then it was custom engineered by the Gods.

Iconically, Thrapp is showing the skeletal remains of the giants that once roamed the Earth. Maybe he gets that aspect of creation after all is trying to use religion as a shield from taxes and the man. Regardless, by not sharing his knowledge makes him a capitalist either way. Christ was a communist, born of a virgin implanted by ET. There is a 2000 year old painting in France of Mary holding Jesus with a UFO parked behind her.

The bible is the history of ET creation of the Earth for anyone sane enough to know what they are reading.

thanks for the compliments and for putting a smile on my face quarktoo.

as far as being your savior, i shall have to respectfully pass... i can't even save myself. ;)
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on July 10, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
thanks for the compliments and for putting a smile on my face quarktoo.

as far as being your savior, i shall have to respectfully pass... i can't even save myself. ;)

That was a test and you passed it perfectly. Only a true God amongst men would refuse to deny me my own will and thoughts. This only bolsters my assertion that you are a being of pure light shining logic, reason and accountability amongst the fallen.

If his God is powerful why does he allow disease, poverty, corruption, war, famine, thirst and plague upon his children? WilbyInebriated won't do that, worship him and tithe upon him instead.

Maybe the imaginary God is sleeping or maybe the imaginary God has lost his magical powers or maybe the imaginary God is punishing us for being human or maybe... maybe his IMAGINARY God is as imaginary as his pure science. WilbyInebriated is real so please take a moment out of your busy day to worship him.

As for me, I have to live in reality and because people that accept that some imaginary God is pulling the strings are powerless which would account for the low IQ, crime and poverty associated with religion.

I have found the savior and he is a drunk named WilbyInebriated. Ironically, Jesus also was a homo and a wino. Nothing personal your holyness.  ;D
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
I have found the savior and he is a drunk named WilbyInebriated.
i don't drink... it's wilby (as in 'will be'). future tense, not past tense, not present tense, but future tense... ::)
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 04:58:40 AM
i don't drink... it's wilby (as in 'will be'). future tense, not past tense, not present tense, but future tense... ::)

You got your ass handed to you in this thread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7378.msg256081#msg256081

and ran away like a coward claiming you were going to put me on your ignore list but instead came over here to argue the meaning of your username. How pathetic.

Ironically, Jesus also was a homo and a wino. Nothing personal your holyness.  ;D

Well at least you didn't deny being a homo which would explain your poor writing. Are you typing with a lisp your Godlyness?

For what it is worth, everything you type is more gay than Richard Simmons riding a unicycle in a colored rainbow unitard while juggling 6 pink dildos.

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the ATOMIC ENERGY contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to accomplish that task.

OK, you can freak out now or you can point to ANY well documented free energy device you choose and I will show you where the accelerator is and the mass being converted. Afraid to take the challenge COWARD?

Let's try Thrapp's water heater as long as were are here. The accelerator is the cavitation that takes place in the center of the tank also known as sonofusion. The mass being converted is the water.

See how that works? I actually have something of substance to offer and back up my claims. You seem to think that ATTEMPTING to smear others with your self deluded God complex is a contribution. Sorry your holyness, it is not.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: ramset on September 08, 2010, 05:16:22 AM


                                         WOW
                         Its like a battle of the "TITANS"
                                 The great "I AMS"
                                   Or    "I WAS"?
                                     OR I Wilby?
                            Well they're definately
                                    OM Impotents!
                                         
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 05:22:00 AM

                                         WOW
                         Its like a battle of the "TITANS"
                                 The great "I AMS"
                                   Or    "I WAS"?
                                     OR I Wilby?
                            Well they're definately
                                    OM Impotents!
                                         

I put up and back up my claims. He won't and he can't. I damn sure don't have some God complex and go around proclaiming things I can't back up.

If people understand the basic rules of how ALL FREE ENERGY DEVICES work, the science will progress. He seems to have a problem with that progression.

Tell you what Ramset, since the empty hat IwillBeInebriated won't take the challenge, why don't you do something constructive and do it for him. Name ANY well documented free energy device and I will show you the accelerator and the mass being converted. Your choice of devices.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: ramset on September 08, 2010, 05:26:05 AM
Quarkzilla
is the mass converted through cavitation?

Well your preachin to the choir here bu  d

Chet
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 05:37:49 AM
Quarkzilla
is the mass converted through cavitation?

Of course mass is being converted. A chemical blast has a maximum blast wave speed of roughly 5000 meters per second. A nuclear blast has a blast wave that travels at roughly 5 million meters per second or 1000 times faster.

More acceleration = more energy conversion just as E=MC2 suggests.

Now pick a device or stop bugging me you weasel. :)
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: ramset on September 08, 2010, 05:44:11 AM
Ok OK
not often I'm in the presence of such.........................

There's a guy named Chris Hunter [arctictek.com]
Claims to have a process called Magnetolysis
takes 1 gallon of water in 5 minutes at 5 watts and makes 5700 liters of HHO gas
Oh in a VERY strong caustic sodium hydroxide solution
Ever heard of it?
Chet
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 06:04:46 AM
Ok OK
not often I'm in the presence of such.........................

There's a guy named Chris Hunter [arctictek.com]
Claims to have a process called Magnetolysis
takes 1 gallon of water in 5 minutes at 5 watts and makes 5700 liters of HHO gas
Oh in a VERY strong caustic sodium hydroxide solution
Ever heard of it?
Chet

Sure I have heard of him. He is a nut case that claimed he was going to win a free energy powered vehicle race across Alaska in an old pickup while pulling a back hoe on a trailer behind him... Alaska Star is delusional and stupid but he understands that acceleration is key.

That would be all I know about him or his probably latest imaginary device. He lost his credibility a long time ago and so many times that I would simply ignore anything he has to say at this point. If he wants of get his credibility back, he will have to earn it back. That is how that works.

I have had lengthy conversations with him in the past and he appeared to  clearly be delusional and needing special attention.

He likes to post at http://www.oupower.com where he can find plenty of yes men with the IQ of a dead cat. Self deluded crazies don't like anyone coming along and screwing up their comfortable little imaginary world.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: ramset on September 08, 2010, 06:20:13 AM
Quarktoo
Quote:
One thing is for sure, spreading knowledge is key to free energy realization.
------------------------------
Any place you care to point?
A place someone could look, learn and understand enough
to  replicate/spread  this knowledge?
Chet
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 07:02:42 AM
Quarktoo
Quote:
One thing is for sure, spreading knowledge is key to free energy realization.
------------------------------
Any place you care to point?
A place someone could look, learn and understand enough
to  replicate/spread  this knowledge?
Chet

I would try a work bench piled with test equipment, parts and prototypes.

When you get there, you will have nothing you can sell or safely publicly demonstrate because the minute you do disclose all hell is going to break loose. It is best to keep it verbal, explain the principles and look at what has been invented.

If you understand my simple two laws that govern free energy devices and that Einstein's E=MC2 is the math that roughly governs the conversion, most of anything you could ever want to invent already has been.

I could show people how to information and get all kinds of unwanted attention, have people break into my home and get placed under a gag order. What would I get for that? ZERO. It is best to share that type of info. on a personal level with family and people you know. The knowledge is spreading and the house of cards based in disinformation is falling.

No army, and Rockafeller's oil companies ARE backed by the military, has ever defeated an insurgency by the masses.

Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan are just a few examples. Somehow I think the good will of the masses will prevail in this battle as well. When that energy card falls, all the control cards fall including banking. The zionists will have to go out and produce something like the rest of us instead of being a parasite on Wall Street living off a host.

Me thinks this is a part of the "golden age" that occurs after the Earth changes at the end of 2012. That would be a good time to begin sharing how to information.

Learn everything you can from Thane Heinz and how to use shorted coils. That is pretty safe to play with as long as you never feed the snake its own tail.
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 08, 2010, 07:31:20 AM
I put up and back up my claims. He won't and he can't. I damn sure don't have some God complex and go around proclaiming things I can't back up.

If people understand the basic rules of how ALL FREE ENERGY DEVICES work, the science will progress. He seems to have a problem with that progression.

Tell you what Ramset, since the empty hat IwillBeInebriated won't take the challenge, why don't you do something constructive and do it for him. Name ANY well documented free energy device and I will show you the accelerator and the mass being converted. Your choice of devices.

I have several free energy devices that are more than well documented.  This is not to be confused with Overunity....different stuff.

My earth battery is free energy in that I can run my outside lights and Christmas lights for free. (400 leds)  I have done this for years now. (well documented)

The Joule Thief circuits I have built also give me "free" energy in that, all of my friends give me their "dead" batteries, as well as all of the "dead" batteries I have from my business and I can light stuff for months off of each one of them.

Maybe this should be called "free to me" energy, I really don't know.  all I know is I have all the lights I need and it does not cost me anything at all.  Sounds free to me.

Bill
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 08:47:06 AM
I have several free energy devices that are more than well documented.  This is not to be confused with Overunity....different stuff.

My earth battery is free energy in that I can run my outside lights and Christmas lights for free. (400 leds)  I have done this for years now. (well documented)

The Joule Thief circuits I have built also give me "free" energy in that, all of my friends give me their "dead" batteries, as well as all of the "dead" batteries I have from my business and I can light stuff for months off of each one of them.

Maybe this should be called "free to me" energy, I really don't know.  all I know is I have all the lights I need and it does not cost me anything at all.  Sounds free to me.

Bill

Yep, that term "free energy is a tricky one. Are we talking energy from nothing, (that would be impossible) or energy you don't have to pay for? Of course by that logic, hacking your electric meter is free energy.

Mass to atomic energy converter is a completely accurate statement when discussing the free energy devices that people are interested in replicating that would produce more than enough energy to replace oil.

When Tesla spoke of connecting to the wheel work of nature, he was talking about converting mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass. The universe makes and supplies the mass to you for free and since you cannot create or destroy energy, it is still there although it has less potential.

For me anyway, free energy always means economic as the word free implies and the source is mass and it not chemical but rather atomic.

Tesla spoke of free energy in his ozone patent and wrote about sinking a tank in water as an analogy. Stan Meyer and Puharich were not the first to discover the process of water fuel, that most likely would have been Tesla.

Once you understand how Meyer used a laser accelerator in his air gas processor to produce ozone overunity, and how he mixed that with steam to produce hydrogen peroxide in a resonant cavity with piezo elements then you understand water fuel.

Puharich gave it away when he revealed that the molecular bond angle of the water shifted from 104.5 degrees to 109 degrees. Look up the molecular bond angle of hydrogen peroxide. It is 109 degrees just like Puharich stated in his lectures on youtube.

Where is the accelerator? The laser in the air gas processor is used to knock electrons off the O2 molecules to form O3. What is the mass being converted into atomic energy? Water.

Regardless of the device these two rules will apply to a free energy device.

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to accomplish that task.

I have yet to ever find an exception to that rule.

Stepping up voltage in a joule thief is not overunity, higher voltage is always more efficient when producing photons. An Earth battery is a chemical conversion of metal into electricity.

So neither of them are over unity as you correctly state Bill. As far a free energy on the Earth battery, it would be free if you stole the copper pipe. Otherwise, not so much...

As for the joule thief, persistence of vision is a tricky thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 08, 2010, 09:21:47 AM
I do not use copper in my earth battery at all.  It has been working for over 3 years now and it taps into the telluric currents of the earth so, not OU more like solar power BUT, free to me.  Sort of like a windmill or water wheel, no mystery but still no cost to me at all.

This is why I call it free energy.

Now, the JT circuit does way more than just step up the voltage.  We are playing with frequencies here as well which, as you said when making light, is advantageous.  Being able to light things that normally take amps and ballasts and 110 grid power for days with a single "dead" AA battery seems to be a good thing for me.

PS  My electric bill averages $30/month US either summer or winter.  I am proud of that.  Most of my friend's bills run over $300+.


Bill
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 09:32:38 AM
I do not use copper in my earth battery at all.  It has been working for over 3 years now and it taps into the telluric currents of the earth so, not OU more like solar power BUT, free to me.  Sort of like a windmill or water wheel, no mystery but still no cost to me at all.

This is why I call it free energy.

Now, the JT circuit does way more than just step up the voltage.  We are playing with frequencies here as well which, as you said when making light, is advantageous.  Being able to light things that normally take amps and ballasts and 110 grid power with a single "dead" AA battery seems to be a good thing for me.

Bill

Sorry, I don't know anything about your Earth battery or the JT circuit. I always figured the joule thief produces a few ns of magnetic resonance and that had something to do with the increase in voltage but honestly don't have a clue.

Dole is smart in that he knows that his device is producing magnetic resonance. If he ever gets the frequency up to 21.5 MHZ he would see a whole bunch of energy produced.

Lots of people are getting close and figuring things out. What are your earth batteries made of? Got a link to a thread?
Title: Re: Does Anyone Know What's Happened to Dr. Timothy Thrapp & Co?
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 08, 2010, 09:50:17 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.0 (http://index.php?topic=3500.0)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9687.0 (http://index.php?topic=9687.0)


The first is the original Stubble coil topic area where we researched and experimented with earth batteries.

The second is a topic started by Lasersaber who has faithfully replicated Stubblefield's earth battery coil...very good reading.

The first link is a little slow reading in that we had no idea what we were doing for some time.  Lasersaber picked up where we left off and has a motor running from his coil with no other input for over a month now.  Very interesting stuff considering all this was done in the late 1800's and Stubblefield is known here in Kentucky as the father of radio as he made transmissions years before Tesla and Marconi.  He also lit his farm and heated his home and ran the entire telephone system of Murry, KY all from his earth batteries.

We found several photos of him and Tesla so they did know each other.

Great reading about history.

Bill

***EDIT***  Here is the Joule Thief topic:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.0 (http://index.php?topic=6123.0)

It is long, and contains some bs but overall, some good info there.  Some very good experiments.