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Title: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 01:41:15 PM
THIS IS MY TOPIC ! 

SO I SHALL POST HERE

: )

I have mosfet units ..  arc reactor units tesla units mot units neozap units ..

pick a unit .. i likely have it or not probally will build it ..

: )

ist
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 01:48:32 PM
this unit requires you have a timeing source ...

ie a mosfet and a freq genny ..

thease are desinged to run at resonance ..  and from a non differing power supply ..

the out put in my tests has lit bulbs .. of 120vac 15 w  from 14vdc 1 amp supply

now this does not seam like much ... altho i doubt it consumed the entire 14 watts from the supply ..

and if it did ..  i guess it simply boosted the working voltage of the source .. to allow it to do jobs of much higher voltages ..

ist

this can be made air core or core of your choise .. FACT IT ALWAYS WORKS ...  NO ACCEPTIONS

a video i made 2 years ago was sent to germany .. for study !

ASK COTTEN EYE JOE
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 01:59:56 PM
b4 long i will be pulling tesla pattends for study

that way the ants can argue amoung them selvs ! and likely destory them selves !

im not concerened in the least i have SOLID FOUNDATIONS !

unlike the frogs ...  sitting on lily pads ..

lol

ist !
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
YOU CAN ADD A SECONDARY TO THE BASIC UNIT PULL FROM SECONDARY AND PULL FROM MOSFET !



HUMMMM

IST
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
because  this is a single wire joule thief ...  do not think i can't incorprate a second wire but still as 1 wire

this means fitst wire is low self inductance second is choke/ high selfinductance .. / HV KICKER  low inductance is high amp KICKER  CONSUMPTION IS LOW ...

out put is big ..

then add the neo zap ...  to amp it .

ist

oops does it need a TRANSISTOR ...  it seams i LEFT IT OUT ... 

where is the transistor in this video .... ?  i burnt out 1000v 3 amp diodes in seconds ... useing this unit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhk_my7b2A

yes those were fast recovery diodes too ...
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 05:33:46 PM
here is a test i just conducted ... 

i took a 12vdc source battery  and a toroide with 20 gage wire on it ...  1 wire .. bout 100 turns .. resistance is 2.5meg ohm ... 

hummmm

 i touch it to the pos and neg ... seconds its BURNING HOT ...  AND IF I INTRUPT IT .. I FEEL THE WIRE JUMP IN MY HAND ... 

as well it melts the termnal of the battery ...

hummmm

ist

intresting after applying engery to it i can now mesure only .2 ohm .. 

odd i will find another the same .. and compair  it apears the reading of the first core is incorrect the second i have in curcuit still and it reads .2 ohm ..

sure shot nice blue sparks ...  : )

SURE SHOT ! : )   BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhqyZeUlE8U
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 06:00:56 PM
when playing with a mot and takeing mesurements .. the secondary of the mot is 32.2 henry ...  HIGH SELFINDUCTION ...

the primary unmesureable by my meter

so i guess its low self inductance ... lol

ist !

so you got a fat wire and a skinny one ..  extreamly diffrent inductances !


my readings are all taken on a TRUE RMS METER ! 

MODLE # DMR 5200 circuit - test

so what if you jt'd 2 mots   lol

Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 06:42:20 PM
WHILE HOOKING UP THE MOT TO A 12VDC SOURCE ...

primary only .. dead short .. in essance ... it pulls 18 amp ..

when i configure both as 1 wire .. it consumes 160 ma on a DEAD SHORT..

it ill bite ya if ya touch it ...  lol

now in this config .. you can add 2 switches if you choose .. a POS  one on the SUPPLY .... and then a neg on the return ...

hummm

IST
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
you can hook the mots diffrently aswell run it low volts high amps ..  use 2 mots .. center tap the 2 primaries and feed it 2 3055  lol

hummmm

so even tho it consumes large amparge .. you have extream voltage out the other end ...  pulse it and collect !

ist

this dude did awesome work !

: )

regards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3yvdXIjGSo
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 09:05:01 PM
here is  A MOD FOR MOTS !

low volts EXTREAM CURRENT !

simple basic kids play ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dylJMpzRn5k&NR=1&feature=fvwp

ist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1J11s-maI&NR=1
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 07, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
so how about rewinding a bifillar secondary on the mot and jt it ... or ....

so you keep the origonal primary remove secondary make it a NEW BIFILLAR PRIMARY and the origonal turns into a secondary .. that can handle some amps ...

you could also use the CENTER  WINDING AS A PULSE SECONDARY AS A CHOKE .. PRIMARY AS OUTPUT ..

SO MANY WAYS TO PLAY

ist

Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 08, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
since the GAYLORDS TRY TO CHANGE MY WORDS OR DELETE THEM ... 

I REPOST IT HERE

THIS IS MY PLACE MY TOPIC MY WORK ...  HANDS DOWN ... THIS IS UNARGUEABLE

: )


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thank you conrad for all your kind words and drawings .. your so good at them !

im happy you have earned great results !

makes me smile !  : )

this is for mk1 the boy who tryed to take what clearly was not his to take ..

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5849.msg240712#new

regards ...

look at the date ...

mk1 were you even a member on this site at that time ...

NO BOY YOU WERE NOT !

ist

it looks like i even had the jt solved when i posted it ...  hummmmmmm

YA THINK OR DO YA ?

 IST'S NPN / PNP CURCUIT
« on: October 17, 2008, 09:57:55 PM »

JT THRED STARTED ON

 Jule Thief
« on: November 20, 2008, 09:07:58 AM »

time and date fagget !  hummmmm
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 08, 2010, 10:47:09 PM
IST,

I really don't know where you are going with all of this. You do know that push/pull circuits and joule thieves have been around for a long time. Can you tell me why you say they are yours? I also don't see why you are saying that someone stole them? If it is posted in a "free energy" forum, can it really be stolen?
MK1 has built a lot of things and helped many people. Why are you attacking him at every chance. It really doesn't make you look good.
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 08, 2010, 11:14:34 PM
cuz the little bugger tryed to call what i have done his .. this is far from true .. nor does he comprehend the true essance of my work !

so i dont care for  frogs that NEED TO BE PROVEN WRONG !

AS I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG

IST !

BESIDES I DOUBT YOU YOUR SELF COMPREHEND WHAT I HAVE DONE ..



Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 08, 2010, 11:32:34 PM
cuz the little bugger tryed to call what i have done his .. this is far from true .. nor does he comprehend the true essance of my work !

so i dont care for  frogs that NEED TO BE PROVEN WRONG !

AS I HAVE PROVEN HIM WRONG

IST !

BESIDES I DOUBT YOU YOUR SELF COMPREHEND WHAT I HAVE DONE ..

But what did he say was his that you think he stole from you?


BESIDES I DOUBT YOU YOUR SELF COMPREHEND WHAT I HAVE DONE ..
You really don't want to start again with me too do you?
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 09, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).

Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil!"

hahaha

ist

hummm 250 000 times bigger .....  hummmm  single wire jt

stupid humans   lol 

this is a JT ...  : )  THAT OUTDATES ALL !

the dumb humans try to call his work and my work there own ... 

YOU ALL HAVE NEVER BEEN SO WRONG ...

QUOTES FROM THE PATTEND

solenoids, or, in fact, ~ANY CONDUCTOR ~ the different parts of which by the requirements of its application or use are brought into such relations with each other as to materially increase the self-induction.

1. A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.



        NIKOLA TESLA.

   Witnesses:
      ROBT. F. GAYLORD,

ZEROS ... EH 

SURE LOOKS LIKE ONE TO ME


UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE

NIKOLA TESLA, OF NEW YORK, N. Y.

COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS.

SPECIFICATION forming part of Letters Patent No. 512,340, dated January 9, 1894.

Application filed July 7, 1893. Serial No. 479,804. (No model.)
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 09, 2010, 02:46:20 PM
in this next tesla pattend you see "G"   LMFAO!!!!!!!

HUMMMMMMM

WHATS G? 

OF COURSE I SOLVED THIS RIDDLE YEARS AGO .. 

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/patents/transform.htm

YEP SO I DID

IST

WHATS G?   

The improvement involves a novel form of transformer or induction-coil and a system for the transmission of electrical energy by means of the same in which the energy of the source is raised to a much higher potential for transmission over the line than has ever been practically employed heretofore, and the apparatus is constructed with reference to the production of such a potential and so as to be not only free from the danger of injury from the destruction of insulation, but safe to handle.  To this end I construct an induction-coil or transformer in which the primary and secondary coils are wound or arranged in such manner that the convolutions of the conductor of the latter will be farther removed from the primary as the liability of injury from the effects of potential increases, the terminal or point of highest potential being the most remote, and so that between adjacent convolutions there shall be the least possible difference of potential.


In constructing my improved transformers I employ a length of secondary which is approximately one-quarter of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the circuit including the secondary coil, based on the velocity of propagation of electrical disturbances through such circuit, or, in general, of such length that the potential at the terminal of the secondary which is the more remote from the primary shall be at its maximum. In using these coils I connect one end of the secondary, or that in proximity to the primary, to earth, and in order to more effectively provide against injury to persons or to the apparatus I also connect it with the primary.

HUMMMMM

: )

Coils of the character herein described have several important advantages.  As the potential increases with the number of turns the difference of potential between adjacent turns is comparatively small, and hence a very high potential, impracticable with ordinary coils, may be successfully maintained.
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 09, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
here ya go .... 

HEARS THAT G AGIN ... LOL

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE.

NIKOLA TESLA OF NEW YORK, N. Y.

SYSTEM OF TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY.

SPECIFICATION forming part of Letters Patent No. 645,576, dated March 20, 1900.

Application filed September 2, 1897.  Serial No. 650,343. (No model.)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/patents/system.htm

 Expressed briefly, my present invention, based upon these discoveries, consists then in producing at one point an electrical pressure of such character and magnitude as to cause thereby a current to traverse elevated strata of the air between the point of generation and a distant point to which the energy is to be received and utilized.

In the accompanying drawing a general arrangement of apparatus is diagrammatically illustrated such as I contemplate employing in the carrying out of my invention on an industrial scale—as, for instance, for lighting distant cities or districts from places where cheap power is obtainable.

Referring to the drawing, A is a coil, generally of many turns and of a very large diameter, wound in spiral form either about a magnetic core or not, as may be found necessary, C is a second coil, formed of a conductor of much larger section and smaller . . .


IST
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: innovation_station on May 09, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
WHAT THIS MEANS IS ...


PUT A TURBINE IN THE RIVER PRODUCE FREE ELECTRICTY ..  PRODUCE HIGH DC CURRENTS ..  USEING A HPG SECTIONED AS PER THE GOLDEN SPRIAL  ; )   THEN CARRY OUT TRANSMITTION TOWER ..

TO SUPPLY WIRELESS ELECTRICTY .. EFFICIENTLY FROM 1 LOCATION TO MANY .. 

BE IT DEVELOPED OR REMOTE

IST

got a river i own the turbine ..  and have solved the riddle
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 10, 2010, 05:26:35 AM
here ya go .... 

HEARS THAT G AGIN ... LOL

UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE.

NIKOLA TESLA OF NEW YORK, N. Y.

SYSTEM OF TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY.

SPECIFICATION forming part of Letters Patent No. 645,576, dated March 20, 1900.

Application filed September 2, 1897.  Serial No. 650,343. (No model.)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/patents/system.htm

 Expressed briefly, my present invention, based upon these discoveries, consists then in producing at one point an electrical pressure of such character and magnitude as to cause thereby a current to traverse elevated strata of the air between the point of generation and a distant point to which the energy is to be received and utilized.

In the accompanying drawing a general arrangement of apparatus is diagrammatically illustrated such as I contemplate employing in the carrying out of my invention on an industrial scale—as, for instance, for lighting distant cities or districts from places where cheap power is obtainable.

Referring to the drawing, A is a coil, generally of many turns and of a very large diameter, wound in spiral form either about a magnetic core or not, as may be found necessary, C is a second coil, formed of a conductor of much larger section and smaller . . .


IST

IST,

You keep putting the cart before the horse. First off, "G" is a dynamo as it states in the patent. A generator or alternator to produce the supply voltage. There is nothing there to discover. He tells us what it is in his patents. It's too bad that you don't understand this.

Now, as far as the cart before the horse. A joule thief is a device that utilizes BEMF (back electro motive force). A device that utilizes BEMF is not necessarily a joule thief. Until you fully understand this, you will have problems. Most if not all of your devices are using BEMF. There is no magic here. Now you have come out with this thread "single wire joule thief". A single wire is NOT a joule thief. Then you have the other thread named "no transistor joule thief". If it doesn't have a transistor, it isn't a joule thief. I really think they are wasted space as they do not really show anything new. It's like if I start a thread named "vehicle with no motor". A car with no motor that you need to push to get to where you want to go. There is no difference between my car and your transistorless joule thief that you pulse by hand.

I do not mean to be rude about this but I think you really need to do a little more reading and maybe a little less posting. You really need to get a better understanding of the basics.
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 16, 2010, 07:43:29 AM
I guess IST has took me up on my post. He must be doing some reading :)
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: kooler on May 16, 2010, 09:31:19 AM
I guess IST has took me up on my post. He must be doing some reading :)
yea he doing some reading..
he's been banned..
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 16, 2010, 10:50:32 AM
yea he doing some reading..
he's been banned..

Oh man...thank goodness.  That guy is such a Douche.

I have refrained from arguing his many stupid posts on the grounds that the only bigger fool than the village idiot is the person who tries to reason with him!  :D

About time he was banned.

E-Goose
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 16, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
I got into it with him a while ago. It was sort of fun watching him have a temper tantrum. He almost totally destroyed a frequency generator that I sent him. The saddest thing about him is that he always put down the people who helped him most.

Hopefully, he'll grow up some day.
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: FreeEnergy on May 16, 2010, 06:54:54 PM
was he really banned?
its about time! lol

*cheers*
Title: Re: SINGLE WIRE JOULE THIEFS
Post by: MrMag on May 16, 2010, 09:38:53 PM
Maybe we should advertise for a new "Village Idiot". It will be big shoes to fill.