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Title: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 02, 2010, 02:49:16 AM
The MSM has done a lousy job at reporting on the oil spill crisis.  The truth is we have already surpassed the Exxon Valdez spill of 11 million gallons!

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Dr. Ian MacDonald at FSU just produced a new spill-size estimate based on the US Coast Guard aerial overflight map of the oil slick on April 28, 2010. The bottom line: that map implies that on April 28, there was a total of 8.9 million gallons floating on the surface of the Gulf.

That implies a minimum average flow rate of slightly more than 1 million gallons of oil (26,000 barrels) per day from the leaking well on the seafloor. Since we're now in Day 11 of the spill, which began with a blowout and explosion on April 20, we estimate that by the end of the today 12.2 million gallons of oil, at a minimum, have been spilled into the Gulf of Mexico.

The oft-quoted official estimate for the Exxon Valdez spill is 11 million gallons, although some think that is the lower limit of the likely range. It appears that we've just set a very sad new record.

Here are some links to track the spill:
http://blog.skytruth.org/
http://www.skytruth.org/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=43862
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/29/interactive.spill.tracker/index.html

4Tesla
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Mark69 on May 02, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Truly disgusting.  It is time to switch back to ethanol and be done with oil.

Mark
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on May 02, 2010, 04:26:48 PM
At what point in our history did 'crapping in our nest' become a gladiator event? Now we are looking for a fix and that will be our next hero?
Pathetic little humans...
We keep out doing ourselves in bad attempts at mass consumption.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: jadaro2600 on May 02, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Truly disgusting.  It is time to switch back to ethanol and be done with oil.

Mark

Right, like we need higher food prices too - or haven't you read about this price hike due to the conversion of corn to ethanol.

I'm beginning to wonder if the 'accident' was an act of sabotage.

We'll all be getting the bill when Florida's coast gets hit - the state will have no income from the west coast of Florida from tourism for a very long time.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: mscoffman on May 02, 2010, 05:40:43 PM
The northern part of the Gulf of Mexico is already
ecologically screwed up, with anoxic water etc.
They are now turning it into one big energy production
back lot. And, they aren't done...they want everyone
to *pay* for "peak-oil" in an energy system that will
ultimately fail...So in the meantime, be sure to keep
your wallets handy!

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Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: helmut on May 02, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
Right, like we need higher food prices too - or haven't you read about this price hike due to the conversion of corn to ethanol.

I'm beginning to wonder if the 'accident' was an act of sabotage.

We'll all be getting the bill when Florida's coast gets hit - the state will have no income from the west coast of Florida from tourism for a very long time.

Sabotage is a interesting matter. 
One can think  about biological terrorism
But i guess, it will be ecological terrorism on all people at the End.
Oil Prices will sprint up because of safety reasons.
Fish will be more expensive because of less quantity.
And at the end the goverment will ask you
 for a green - nature tax to pay for a biology police ( working via satellite )
to spy on everyone.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Mark69 on May 02, 2010, 09:08:23 PM
@jadaro, 

they can grow plenty of cattails, especially in unused areas (cattails love refuse pools too, which can clean the environment; also grow well on the side of roads, which will soak up hazardous materials from the cars on the road), not to mention collect all yard debris, to make ethanol.  It doesnt have to come from corn or use existing land that is being used for food.  An engine designed for ethanol can get twice the mileage of a gasoline engine.  At least until other technology can be produced.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 02, 2010, 10:41:44 PM
Here are a couple of other sites to track the spill:

NASA MODIS Terra Satellite
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=AERONET_Stennis.2010121&altdates

NOAA Emergency Response
http://www.response.restoration.noaa.gov/topic_subtopic_entry.php?RECORD_KEY%28entry_subtopic_topic%29=entry_id,subtopic_id,topic_id&entry_id%28entry_subtopic_topic%29=809&subtopic_id%28entry_subtopic_topic%29=2&topic_id%28entry_subtopic_topic%29=1

4Tesla
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 03, 2010, 01:41:34 AM
I've been reading articles, blogs, and forums, all over the web and the MSM is still saying just 5,000 barrels/day, while I have seen reports saying 50,000 and 100,000 barrels/day.  By what I've read, it doesn't look good!  I'll have to try and back track and post the links later.

4Tesla
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: jadaro2600 on May 03, 2010, 01:44:06 AM
I agree, some plants are intrumental in the use of cleaning up waste ... I find colver growing all over the place on roadsides down here, it's supposedly good at converitng nitrates.

Also, this oil spill has been determined to have the appearance of 'tea' and be especially thin - unusual.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 03, 2010, 02:14:50 AM
Here is the "100,000" source:

Quote
Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen, "we lost a total well head: it could be 100,000 barrels or more a day."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/02/officials-warn-of-potential-catastrophe-from-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill/?fbid=Pm-qXeg_gFQ

the 50,000 source is found via the links in the OP.

4Tesla
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 03, 2010, 03:27:47 AM
Cloud cover over the gulf:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/imagery/gmex.html
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 03, 2010, 06:11:22 AM
I almost hate to ask this,
but has anyone here found an exact description
of how all this came to be?

Or how/why there is a second leak as well ?
(Pun NOT intended...)

I have read so many conflicting reports,
I simply don't believe most of them now.

Storm/boat/explosion/terrorism,
I've read so much speculation.

No exacting detail of the events
that led up to the first situation.

Even less about the second leak...

I have the general data that indicates fire,
then explosion, then sinking, then larger leaking.

It just seems light on facts about things to me.

Am I alone about wondering just
exactly what the truth is on this?

Thanks for any clarity on this.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 03, 2010, 05:21:41 PM
There is some hope.. IF they get it capped off soon..
http://www.oilgoneeasy.com/
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 03, 2010, 05:23:52 PM
Cloud cover over the gulf:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/imagery/gmex.html

Little cloud cover today.. should get a nice MODIS image this afternoon!
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on May 03, 2010, 08:58:07 PM
All the misinformation and confusing reports only point to sabotage.
Here are the steps:
Accident or natural causes.
Assessment.
Hesitation.
Mismanagement.
Blame game.
Further ramifications.
Goto Assessement.

Do you see the game?
BP stock went from 60 to 52. That is an 18 point drop. So if you had shorted 1000 shares for 60000 you would have taken 18,000 from the market. Plus you get your 60k back. What if you bought 1 million shares?

Do this 4 times a year and you don't work for a living. How is this possible? How do you continuously guarantee a profit? You buy disaster and death. As I daytrader I have bet the house many times to steal money from unwary investors. See the sucker play? Those idiots thought the price was low. Ha Ha.
Just watch CNN and see what happens... Everyday.

I don't day trade anymore. It is 'Money changing' and God hates it. See why? It is a sluggard that steals, a thief that doesn't work.

Don't even try to argue or justify. There have been so many ruses right under your noses.

A BP oil leak right at the time of England elections? Or how about the Polish government dieing in a single plane crash? Poland is the only solvent nation on the planet. Now there will be puppet elections to bring the outsiders back into the fold of control and contempt.

Mark my words. Watch the markets when this happens. Stocks will drop somewhere in accordance with the type of news.

The view of cruelty I have garnered in this experience is too hard to embellish any more.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 04, 2010, 04:51:50 AM
I usually won't link to another website
that is topic-similar to the one I'm posting on,
but this seems more informative
than other ones I've read recently.

http://pesn.com/2010/05/02/9501643_Mother_of_all_gushers_could_kill_Earths_oceans/

A couple small quotes:

"First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil.
They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep
and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth.
This it right on the edge of what human technology can do.
Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure
that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to
the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink.
Take a moment to grasp the import of that.
The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed
the maximum effort of human science to contain it."

"When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top
of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean."

"The only piece of human technology that might address this
is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there
in the right spot it might seal up the hole.
Nothing short of that will work."
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on May 04, 2010, 05:10:30 AM
This will also kill everything in the gulf. It is like an inverted bellyflop. The water above the blast would be massively harder than the ground below at the first instance of explosion. The pressure would travel through the ground. The soft ground at the shores would tidal wave anihilating the shore environments. New Orleans would flood again, the Mississippi would back flood up past Missouri. All the port towns would suffer damage. This would gut the states from the inside out. The death of animal life would create a large stench. All levees would be pulverized.
We would have to get agreements from Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica.
The world would have to stand by and watch knowing we would have to bomb ourselves without war.

And in these times when the book of Revelation says 'Enough is enough'.

Sometimes 'too smart for our own good' comes out of the shadows.

Looks like the South loses again.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on May 05, 2010, 01:47:55 AM
  I remember two persistent waking dreams.  One was of being in a city and looking up and seeing and hearing a large jetliner flying too low over the skyscrapers.  The second is reaching the Gulf of Mexico seeking refuge from something and seeing a real dead sea.  The waves breaking on a sludge riddled beach with tons of dead fish and seaweed stretching for miles down the coast line.  The sea itself a brown emulsion like condensate from an air compressor tank.
These are the only reoccuring dreams I can think of.  Probably a good thing. 
   I know this may sound too easy but  how about dropping a big piece of flexible ducting over the hole.  Then the shit that hits the surface needs to go into tankers and be shipped off to the refineries where it suppose to go in the first place.
   
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 05, 2010, 02:19:19 AM
Yeah, one of the things they are trying is
to drop an ubber-funnel over it to do just that,
but with xx,000-PSI (They say 70,000) of force
I question the plausibility of that of course of action.

Hold a paper cup out the window of a car,
going about 122-MPH,
and try to keep it from collapsing...

Instinct would lead one to believe it would explode,
but it instead imploads and collapses.

But I hope to be wrong for all man/sea-kind.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on May 05, 2010, 04:10:32 AM
Quick, break out the hair shears, we can still save ourselves:

http://www.ehow.com/how_4480375_remove-oil-from-water-using.html?ref=Track2&utm_source=ask

Too bad I am mostly bald and have a crew-cut hairstyle.

Just trying to keep up our spirits, it's kind of out of all of our hands right now. Hopefully those careless fools know what they are doing. That's what they are getting paid big bucks for anyway.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: innovation_station on May 05, 2010, 04:27:28 AM
some one needs to invent an OIL MAGNET !

if a person can suck silver and coper out of a multi metal mix of gold silver and copper and be left with gold ..

via simple means ..  there should be a way to attract the spilled oil ..

ist !

how ... i dont know ..
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 06, 2010, 06:41:08 AM
NOT an accident  ???  Goldman Sachs shorted gulf!

Here is the article:
Goldman Sachs Reveals it Shorted Gulf of Mexico
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/goldman-sachs-reveals-it_b_558774.html

4Tesla
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 06, 2010, 07:17:51 AM
NOT an accident  ???  Goldman Sachs shorted gulf!

Here is the article:
Goldman Sachs Reveals it Shorted Gulf of Mexico
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/goldman-sachs-reveals-it_b_558774.html

4Tesla

I found out this is a joke.. bad joke I say.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sushimoto on May 06, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
Hey your Gulf of Mexico is full of "Free Energy" now.
Just take some buckets an grab it.

;D
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 14, 2010, 03:08:57 AM
I'm still hoping someone in the industry
will shed some light on all this,
they're at about a million barrels a day or more !

http://pesn.com/2010/05/13/9501651_a_volcano_of_oil_erupting/

Is this sabotage by those that want to sell us oil,
or a fool-hardy attempt to harness ungodly PSI's?

Article Quote:
"The fact that BP management was aboard the rig and very happy,
celebrating, just prior to the explosion ..."

Unusually odd timing, yes?

And why after failing a pressure test
just before this incident happened
did they put it online anyway?

I'd like to drag that oversite manager
down the boardwalk by his balls !

Underwater vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVxjCSgbiI
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: X00013 on May 14, 2010, 03:20:06 AM
THANK FUCKING GOD i didnt vote for the scape goat, he/they want to drill more
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 14, 2010, 05:45:05 AM
Well, here is some explaination:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/million-gallons-of-oil-a-day-gush-into-gulf-of-mexico-1969472.html
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: chessnyt on May 14, 2010, 06:29:07 AM
Every Republican politician in the U.S. was screaming “Drill baby drill!”  Stupid idiots.  The same Republican Party which is backed, funded, bribed and controlled by the filthy rich oil companies whom they do their bidding for loyally for continued campaign funding and bank account padding.

If this were any other company (British or U.S.), they would be shutting these fuckers down yesterday and pulling their licenses to do business. 

I found a lot of answers here:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=372099667&blogId=492831812
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Mk1 on May 14, 2010, 06:44:26 AM
@all

I remember seeing this movie back in january http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMtHvODtoQ&feature=related.

And the one called oil storm available on youtube.

In the movie it is explained how the elite will bring down oil producing country ( by making oil 50 buck a barrel ).

Quite interesting if you can get past the repetition.

Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Thaelin on May 16, 2010, 04:58:41 PM
   Funny that its back up to $72 and a prognosis of going
to $83 in a year. This is how you create a shortage and
then make the tax payer clean it up. Well, go electric and
tell them to eat crude but let them clean it up too.

thay
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 17, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
I watched the 60-Minutes interview of survivors
from the rig that where left behind
when the lifeboats were launched without them.

The story goes way deeper.

##################################

From CBS directly
1of2:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n

2of2:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490378n

Other 1:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6484387n

Other 2:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490509n

##################################

First set found:
1of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIg6ys5aTPA

2of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv-d_JSDiDY

3of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDv-D1SIjug

4of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqpVSkwX5ao

##################################

Second set found:
1of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0onXmlFgF8I

2of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58oCgl9j2c

3of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzPod_jSh8

4of4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqpVSkwX5ao
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 18, 2010, 02:44:26 AM
Thank the lord for Mike Williams surviving
and coming forward with the truth.

I am unable to find the name of of the bastard from BP
that overroad the decision of the TransOcean team
to not let the third seal set before relieving pressure.

If anyone finds that info, please please post it
so he will be known and shamed for eternity !

Then there is Dr Anthony (Tony) Hayward,
CEO of BP making this statement about TransOcean:

"The responsibility for safety
on the drilling rig
is with transocean."

"It is their rig,
their equipment,
their people
their systems,
their safety processes."

Yet it was in fact the above BP manager (?)
in a pissing contest with TO's employees
that caused this by overriding TO's decision
to cap the well safely, NOT QUICKLY !!!



There is a lot of data surfacing,
paw through all this as example:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Mike.Williams+Deepwater.Horizon


Here is tribute to the eleven fallen workers,
it has many good shots of the rig
and the lifeboat that left WITHOUT ALL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDB1gWkcIhM


Some diary entries from Keith Pickering,
and some unreleased video info not aired:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/16/867033/-60-Minutes:-Critical-equipment-damaged-weeks-before-blowout


To thank CBS's 60-Minutes for the truth,
please go here and thank them for this:
(Mention "Deepwater Horizon" in remarks)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml?tag=ftr


The damage is surely permanent,
there is no more "Gulf of Mexico"!

All that is left now
is to wait for it to fully die!

The amount of methane replacing oxygen,
and the amount of petroleum sludge forming
spells the total end of all possible life in the gulf.

Sigh



I hope the Obama-tron mechanism wakes the fuck up
and descends on the BP "Atlantis" rig with full force soon.

out of thousands of mechanical drawings
well over 89% WERE NOT inspected by BP!

95% of the welding plans
were NEVER APPROVED!

How does this happen ??? ($$$)

Their throughput outsizes the defunct
DeepWater Horizon by a large margin,
and when all sixteen wells are done soon
it will be Hell-in-a-bottle to try and stop it!
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: 4Tesla on May 18, 2010, 10:49:25 AM
Latest MODIS satellite image (May 17th) shows slick very well.. the sun reflects white where there is oil.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=USA7.2010137.terra.2km.jpg

4Tesla

Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Rosphere on May 19, 2010, 01:25:11 PM
This oil spill may bring about a paradigm shift in the hearts and minds of already capable people who might actually start to help us with our OSFE quest.  Winning the OU Prize would be a silver lining to this growing dark oil cloud.  We can hope...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on May 19, 2010, 10:07:26 PM
They need to give these guys a call.

http://www.brownmarine.com/mightybugs.htm

Forget about "attracting" them to the spill, let's dump the bacteria on the spill directly.

That oil is blasting out of the hole so fast there may not be enough oil-eating bacteria on the planet to eat it all.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on May 21, 2010, 05:30:12 PM
In 1996 an esitmate was made of the Yellowstone caldera of the impending eruption estimated for June 10 2010.

In 1994 the King of Jordan converts all his personal wealth in educating the citizens in Information Technology because it is reported that his edge of the oil well has dropped 20% due to world consumption rates sky rocketing.

June 2009 Obama makes a trip to Old faithful.

In 2009 the movie 2012 shows this eruption.

In April 2010 there is an oil pressure eruption in the Gulf while releasing sub continent pressure.

In May 2010 sinkholes appeared in New Jersey and Tennessee in the span of 3 days.

Remember the cloud spread of Mt Saint Helens eruption? Yellowstone caldera eruption would affect New York and D.C..

The Gulf eruption enables oil supply manipulation.

The U.S. is consuming Saudi oil instead of using its own supply / reserves. When the power shifts do you think the Saudis are going to stand by? It is easier to get a rogue nation as Iran to bomb Jerusalem, a much easier hostage target.

The eruption shock wave will trigger the San Andreas fault.

At what point does conspiracy theory become history?

How deep does the rabbit hole go?...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on May 24, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
Well,
just in case you think your feeling a bit to good
at any particular point in your day or evening.

Watch this horror-show webcam for a few minutes.

It is sure to ruin the day of any person
with an intact working mind of any kind...

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Watching the failed attempts at repair is simply morbid.



Here is more good discussion and data.

http://pesn.com/2010/05/23/9501654_Gulf_gusher_size/
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Kator01 on June 10, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
Hello,

found this here today : Total media blackout

This guy is freaked out by the situation.

http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/2010/06jun/jamesfox2010.mp3

or here

http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html

james fox ( Oil Spill )

What is really going on here ?

Did they punctured the top of a undersea-Volcano ?

I found it here :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread581057/pg1

Kator01
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: pese on June 10, 2010, 01:54:17 PM
Hello,

found this here today : Total media blackout

This guy is freaked out by the situation.

http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/2010/06jun/jamesfox2010.mp3

or here

http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html

james fox ( Oil Spill )

What is really going on here ?

Did they punctured the top of a undersea-Volcano ?

I found it here :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread581057/pg1

Kator01

ONE more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/louisiana-oil-spill-2010_n_558287.html#s86835
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on June 13, 2010, 04:56:49 AM
    Geoligists have long felt that the Gulf was created by a large meteor strike.  Florida at one time a hilly mountainous jungle region was instantly transformed into the barely above sea level pennisula it is now by the shockwave.  The oil in the Gulf could be the remnants of what was once a large  land mass driven into the mantle by the impact.  Diamonds are often mined from meteor impact sites as any carbon is transformed instantly into diamonds from the heat and pressure of a meteor impact.  Imagine an entire country driven miles into the Earth.  This is not an ancient river delta oil reserve built up over thousands of years.  That process allows time for diffusion of the methane gas into the sedimentary rock as the carbon is slowly transformed by microbial action.  This is an instantaneous burial of a jungle deep into the Earth's mantle.  This would leave a high probability of voids filled with the remnants of the surface jungle existing below the Gulf mantle depression.  I am sure that BP did it's homework and knows the extent of the void it put it's needle in.  Time to put some underwater weldors down there and start burning this krap before it destroy's the entire atlantic ecosystem.  The gulf stream will move this shit all the way to Scotland and beyond taking life as it goes.
The entire marine population obtains it's energy from sunlight converting floating vegetation.  Just the stuff oil will be floating along with on it's trip to the polar regions in the Gulf Stream heat driven ocean river.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: nappolean on June 13, 2010, 05:11:12 AM
here is someone i hear, if u put the moon in the gulf it will fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Kator01 on June 14, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
Alex Jones interviews with Lindsay Williams

http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/video-lindsey-williams-exposes-bps-gulf-oil-spill-disaster-from-insiders-mr-x-87-year-old-former-oil-company-ceo-they-drilled-between-25-and-30-thousand-feet-deep-in-5-thousand-foot-w/

Kator
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: raburgeson on June 15, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
I heard something really scary. That they would like to try to fuse the ground with a nuclear explosion. Have you ever tried to weld a leak on a vessel that has pressure on it? I don't think I have to say more about this.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on June 15, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
The MSM has done a lousy job at reporting on the oil spill crisis.  The truth is we have already surpassed the Exxon Valdez spill of 11 million gallons!

Here are some links to track the spill:
http://blog.skytruth.org/
http://www.skytruth.org/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=43862
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/29/interactive.spill.tracker/index.html

4Tesla

http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=184196

The estimators have increased the minimum amount from 798,000 gals./day to what you see now.  I prefer the estimate:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/12/bp-oil-spill-gulf-mexico

~= 1,600,000 gals./day

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on June 15, 2010, 02:01:58 AM
Quote from: mscoffman said:
[quote
o.Experience is a dear teacher...but fools will learn by no other.
o.Intelligence means acting ahead of problems, not during them.
o.Democracy means acting during problems, not never acting.
o.Leadership -> [fill in the blanks]

:S:MarkSCoffman
"The truth comes from wisdom and wisdom comes from experience."
                                                              --Valdamar "Val" Valerian
                                                                from the Matrix book series

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Cloxxki on June 15, 2010, 11:22:23 PM
So, really this is a BP triggered volcano eruption, right? We get some oil, but a bit more of something else.
Perfect way to raise prices for OTHER oil being drilled. And killing lots of life.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on June 16, 2010, 12:46:38 AM
So, really this is a BP triggered A eruption, right? We get some oil, but a bit more of something else.
Perfect way to raise prices for OTHER oil being drilled. And killing lots of life.
I didn't take this seriously until I found this article:

http://www.marum.de/en/Asphalt_volcano_discovered.html

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on June 16, 2010, 02:52:19 AM
Guess they didn't like the bandwidth...
(The link is already dead)

Is this the correct link ?

http://www.marum.de/en/Asphalt_Volcanoes.html
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on June 16, 2010, 02:52:56 AM
Deleted duplicate, server errors...

I have always wondered this,
why can't we delete posts entirely?
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Rosphere on June 16, 2010, 04:05:47 AM
This oil spill may bring about a paradigm shift in the hearts and minds of already capable people who might actually start to help us with our OSFE quest.  Winning the OU Prize would be a silver lining to this growing dark oil cloud.  We can hope...

Could this be it?
Quote from: POTUS
8:12 p.m. ET: For decades, efforts toward a more progressive energy policy have been blocked, he says. "We cannot consign our children to this future," he says. "The time to embrace a clean energy future is now."

8:13 p.m. ET: He calls for a national movement to embrace a new energy policy for the country. "The tragedy unfolding on our coast is the most painful and powerful reminder yet that the time to embrace a clean energy future is now."

8:14 p.m. ET: Calls on the people to "seize the moment." There are "some who believe we cannot afford" a new policy. But he says it will create jobs and grow the economy in the future. It's time to end "our addiction to fossil fuels."

8: 16 pm. ET: He says he will not tolerate inaction on this front.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/06/obama-speaks-from-the-oval-office-on-the-oil-spill/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/06/obama-speaks-from-the-oval-office-on-the-oil-spill/1)

We shall see...

EDIT: Hey Obama, give Steven Mark a call.  I'll hold my breath and wait.  ::)
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Cloxxki on June 16, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
Perhaps this is yet another approach on the "tax-them-for-SOMEthing" scheme.

They tried global warming, that didn't fly, people started thinking.
So, they'll make a big mess, to engage people in worrying about their planet. Tax payers are bound to pay, somehow.

Based on prior research I saw quoted, drilling in that particular area of the Gulf cannot be done safely, due to mud volcano activity.
RED oil smearing wildlife washing on the coast? Name one red oil disaster prior to this one. And why can't we get to the coast to properly document? The US gov says BP has been naughty, right? Right? Right...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on June 16, 2010, 01:26:32 PM
    If all they have to do is handle what I see on the government mandated tv then why dont they just lower a large steel inverted funnel over it and stop fucking around.  The probable answer is that they arent into transporting this volume of polluted crude.  The seawater in the product is problematic.  You cant just pump it into the still you have to pretreat it.  I doubt such a facility even exists to handle this kind of volume.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Cloxxki on June 16, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
    If all they have to do is handle what I see on the government mandated tv then why dont they just lower a large steel inverted funnel over it and stop fucking around.  The probable answer is that they arent into transporting this volume of polluted crude.  The seawater in the product is problematic.  You cant just pump it into the still you have to pretreat it.  I doubt such a facility even exists to handle this kind of volume.
If it is a volcano pressing from under the whatever-it-is stream of material...no bucket is going to be heavy enough to keep it contained. A matter of waiting until the pressure equalized.
Don't forget the pressure the ocean is already exerting at the depth.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on June 16, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=184196

The estimators have increased the minimum amount from 798,000 gals./day to what you see now.  I prefer the estimate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/12/bp-oil-spill-gulf-mexico
~= 1,600,000 gals./day
--Lee
That was before I saw this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_spill_flow

You might adjust the real time meter on the first line above to this initial reading:  2,500,000 gals./day

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: PhiScience on June 16, 2010, 10:38:19 PM
Just look at the pretty colored oil coming out of that well now.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/multimedia/multicam/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/multimedia/multicam/)

Thank you NALCO  >:(
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: Rosphere on June 17, 2010, 04:21:20 AM
How much would it cost to anchor three large floats about a thousand yards away from one another, in a triangle pattern, centered on the leaking well head.  Then, lower a large sock around the three anchor cables stretching from the surface down towards the sea floor, (given the right material for the job.)

This large vertical column would naturally separate and contain the oil for loading directly onto tankers on the surface.

A large dome might also be constructed, later, to capture the gas as well.

If only my one small voice could be heard.  :(
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on June 17, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
The planet is broken...
This disaster in the same time frame as 2012, and the technology mentioned in Revelation, Koreans going at it, Iran and Israel going at it...
Guess who's coming to dinner?
Every eye shall see, every knee shall bow. Not being religious here. I already know the ending to this horror story. ' read the book...
Alot of people are going to very happy when the Referee blows the whistle, e'r I mean horn.

And there's always the Jihad cleanup crew for those who don't want to leave the field.


How much would it cost to anchor three large floats about a thousand yards away from one another, in a triangle pattern, centered on the leaking well head.  Then, lower a large sock around the three anchor cables stretching from the surface down towards the sea floor, (given the right material for the job.)

This large vertical column would naturally separate and contain the oil for loading directly onto tankers on the surface.

A large dome might also be constructed, later, to capture the gas as well.

If only my one small voice could be heard.  :(
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: wattsup on June 17, 2010, 05:52:58 AM
Those big brained BP bastards should have made a sarcophagus to lower right over that pipe. From day one, it should have been ready to deploy. The broken pipe is 21" in diameter and at 70,000 PSI and 60,000 BPD, the sarcophagus only needs 14 pipe manifolds to then provide a 5,000 PSI feed pressure to each. It's called Laminar Flow and these guys should have done this from day one. Stupid shmucks thinking they will close that pipe just wasted the Gulf away. Fuck.

I just cannot believe that this is real. Those second and third wells they are doing are not going to do anything. Each will get over 20,000 PSI and blow again. Bravo Man. What a farce.

Just take any oil land tank, cut the bottom and put some manifolds then put it on a barge and lower it on the fuckin pipe with six winches. Big deal. Should not have taken more then 5 days to do. Then have 14 pumps working day in day out. Then tell the refineries in the Gulf to empty their lands tanks and accept no more imported oil. They will have to refine this oil until everything is under control.

Who the fuck is running that show anyways. Why does he not have enough brains to do this. I don't know. But just wait when this oil hits other countries and they see nothing being accomplished. Man, shit will hit the fan very soon.

We better take some yoga classes to be flexible enough to bend over and kiss our asses good-bye.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on June 17, 2010, 05:57:48 AM
The more I learn,
The sicker I get!

It isn't the mile down that is the worst part
They dug 4.5 miles into the earth through
so many mantle sections they are now fucked.

The pressure of what they tapped
has destroyed most of the drill feed.

That means that the insidiously high pressures
are now levelling into the higher strata now.

All of those higher and lesser pressure levels
are being super-pressurized by the below stuff.

those are causing a volcano mount a full
mile and a half wide to form on the gulf's sea bottom.

By the time you've read this
most likely two miles wide.

THEY CANNOT BLOCK THE PIPE NOW !

To do so would be sure suicide,
but then again two extra relief wells
is equally insane if they aren't shallow taps.

I mean that if they are trying to adjunct the current "Hole"
at a shallow depth to siphon of most of the oil, then OK.

If those idiots at BP
are making two more
deep well pimples,
we are so fucking doomed!

Just the entire federal blockage
on any and all camera coverage
is making me nervous actually.

There arresting anyone with a camera!

Only step left is martial law.

I'm not real familiar with the interviewer,
but the interviewee is the real deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv0xgnPQWYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_7PVOB3l1Y

You decide ...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on June 17, 2010, 06:16:00 AM
Don't touch that! Dah da da dah. It hammer time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sARuZSr4nS8
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on June 17, 2010, 12:01:17 PM
     The gas is a huge problem.  As it float up it expands and would tend to rupture any pipes attached to a well head manifold so the manifold would have to seperate the gas from the oil.  I have this feeling that the gas has ruptured the well in the upper sections and is going somewhere else.  I just dont see enough bubbles in BPS video feed.  BP have a handle on how many cu miles of natural gas is hitting the atmosphere yet.  Talk about a warm breeze off the Gulf.  How bout one that explodes.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on June 17, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
The gases and heavy metals are what Lindsey Williams and  Alex Jones are talking about. The pressure caused sepage perpendicular to the well underground. This horizontal push is entering between the stratus  at different levels and causing calderas and fissures 20 miles away. The air is already filled with benzene flowing over Tampa / St.Pete. We should start to see respiratory failures in the elderly community.

Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhugmaAL3A

The Jihad has started.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: wattsup on June 17, 2010, 08:54:48 PM
     The gas is a huge problem.  As it float up it expands and would tend to rupture any pipes attached to a well head manifold so the manifold would have to seperate the gas from the oil.  I have this feeling that the gas has ruptured the well in the upper sections and is going somewhere else.  I just don't see enough bubbles in BPS video feed.  BP have a handle on how many cu miles of natural gas is hitting the atmosphere yet.  Talk about a warm breeze off the Gulf.  How bout one that explodes.

Yes you are very right about the gases but that is not a problem. I have made a new diagram to show what is required to stop that leak.

Basically, to separate a good percentage of the gases from the oil, each manifold enters the sidewall and the riser part has a gas deflection cone so gas does not get entrained into the pump suction. So 14 of these placed around the tank and a center off gas opening to let the gases rise. Even if they expand as they rise, there is no holding it back.

Regardless if this tank is in 100 feet, 1000 feet or 5000 feet, it does not matter. The tank will have the same pressure outside as inside so all that is required is a few pressure sensors and variable drive pumps to keep emptying the oil as it fills the tank.

There is no other way.

If I was the President, I would have all the major oil companies that are doing deep sea drilling to pay along with BP the fines because none of them have any better advanced plans to stop a leak hence any one of them could have had the same problem leak. They are all a bunch of pea brained bastards. They drill into our collective 3rd rock without giving a shit of the consequences.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on June 17, 2010, 09:06:41 PM
GK has pointed us towards a nine part series.

The name is so long it is difficult to choose the correct order.
" Lindsey Williams Talks with Alex Jones About Deadly Gases Leaking from BP Spill x/9 "

Here is the proper order.

I'll group these in three,s
to be easier on the eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhugmaAL3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncpwT0ScYww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adiZE3cwYDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGdUziSaRCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYs-fec7Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DggtuJjOTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJgKE6dyqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woc2oPt0Byk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiZ9jy6yJQ
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: CompuTutor on June 28, 2010, 08:59:47 AM
 There are so many of us,
 surely one of us has seen
 the name of this BP idiot ?

This has been my quest since
my first post in this thread here.

If I had the money,
I'd drag him by his balls,
straight into a court myself.



Here is more re-iteration,
identical to the 60-Minute
interview of a survivour:


* Rig survivors say a BP and Transocean
   official argued over shortcut on day of blast

* BP official won argument:
   "This is how it's gonna be,"
   he said, according to witnesses

* BP says it won't comment on specifics

* BP routinely cut corners and pushed ahead
   despite safety concerns, workers say

(CNN) -- The morning the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded,
a BP executive and a Transocean official argued
over how to proceed with the drilling,
rig survivors told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview.

The survivors' account paints perhaps the most detailed picture yet
of what happened on the deepwater rig -- and the possible causes
of the April 20 explosion.

The BP official wanted workers to replace heavy mud,
used to keep the well's pressure down,
with lighter seawater to help speed a process
that was costing an estimated $750,000 a day
and was already running five weeks late,
rig survivors told CNN.

BP won the argument, said Doug Brown, the rig's chief mechanic.
"He basically said, 'Well, this is how it's gonna be.' "

"That's what the big argument was about," added Daniel Barron III.

Shortly after the exchange, chief driller Dewey Revette
expressed concern and opposition too, the workers said,
and on the drilling floor, they chatted among themselves.

"I don't ever remember doing this," they said, according to Barron.

"I think that's why Dewey was so reluctant to try to do it,"
Barron said,
"because he didn't feel it was the right way to have things done."



Hasn't anyone reading this anywhere in the world
got the name of this complete fucking slimeball?



OMFG, I got interupted,
so I posted what I had wrote so far.

I am reading the rest now.

Now understand that I see TransOcean
as a contracted physical layer partner:

They seem to have a good safety record,
even though Google has other opinions.

I think several years without downtime
that caused missed owntime due to injury
speaks for itself, and BP's whores overide says all.

11 Fuckin' lives, says it all !    Fuck BP's overide !

That BP asshole KNEW the first two cement seals
were leaking gas badly before this decision,
he knew about the dead batteries,
bad gas cell pressures, and that they had
communication failures on the BOP recently.

Yet still the BP mother-fucker
called for a "Light seal" procedure
(Sea water in place of heavy drillers mud,
don't wait for the first two seals to set!)

I'm sorry for the language, but we are being overidden,
we have 367 tons of neurotxin in the Gulf of Mexico now !

That is the best I can find
through channels that are questionable.

And our president is a horses ass for letting
what is banned around the world from use here !



"The rig survivors also said it was always understood
that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns
that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had
been fired for speaking out, they said."

" 'Safety was "almost used as a crutch by the company,'
Barron said. He said he was once scolded
for standing on a bucket on the rig,
yet the next day, Transocean ordered a crane
to continue operating amid high winds,
against its own policies.
'It's like they used it against us
-- the safety policies --
you know, to their advantage.' "

"At times, the drill got stuck. Many times,
it "kicked," meaning gas was shooting back
through the mud at an alarming rate."

"I've seen a lot of gas coming up from muds on different wells,
and the highest I've ever seen in my 11 years was 1,500 units.
And this well gave us 3,000," Brown said.
"I've never been on a well with that high of gas coming out of the mud.
That was kind of letting me know this well was something to be reckoned with."

Go read the darn thing please,
but definately lokk at my 60-Minute links.





Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 02, 2010, 02:46:59 AM
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=184196

The estimators have increased the minimum amount from 798,000 gals./day to what you see now.  I prefer the estimate:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/12/bp-oil-spill-gulf-mexico

~= 1,600,000 gals./day

UPDATE:
Different site counting barrels:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/01/hurricane.oil.plan/index.html?hpt=T2

Also, the typical baseline per/day estimate was revised to 1,470,000 gals/day for the first site at the top of this post.  I still think the 1,6000,000 gals./day is conservative.
 
--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: luishan on July 03, 2010, 08:22:11 AM
Check it out. The Truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpCOY7VKC8


And How to solve the BP oil spill disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xScwaMuBiUo
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: MrMag on July 08, 2010, 04:35:03 AM
Has this video been posted yet? Pretty interesting.

http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 08, 2010, 05:47:16 AM
you are all now reaping what you have sown... was your lazy convenience worth it? i guess that remains to be seen...

running an EV (electric vehicle) 1000 miles per month takes only 250 kWh of electric, about $25 worth; about what two old refrigerators cost and about a third of the average home usage. it would take only a tenth of the average home roof -- 6 square yards -- to make 250 kWh per month, enough electric energy to run a plug-in car 1000 miles per month. the unused rooftops of america, over 10,000 square miles, can supply more energy than we need....

america's largest open-pit coal mine is a witches cauldron of toxic waste and caustic destruction, but if the ground were left alone, and covered with solar panels, we would get more electric energy from the same space (28,000 acres) than from burning the coal... instead of coal mines and oil rigs, the same workers could be manufacturing and installing solar panels and building electric plug-in cars and reforming the batteries after 100K miles. after 100K or 200K miles NiMH batteries can be remelted down and made into new batteries without new mining.

solar power and plug-in electric cars are the obvious sustainable way to power individual autos... but nevermind all that, just go along to get along... ::)





Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 08, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 08, 2010, 10:20:57 PM
Amish saying:
'We inherit the world from our ancestors, but we borrow the planet from our children'.

At what time does 'Conspiracy' ('Cons' = 'With' + Piracy(pirate)) theory become history?
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 08, 2010, 11:51:22 PM
Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.

did i say power all our needs? i'm pretty sure i referenced VEHICLES... can you show where i said 'power all our needs'? don't twist my statements with your logical fallacies (strawman).
you don't need a suv that gets 15mpg to drive to and from work, you just want one.
your argument holds no water, and normally i don't respond to logical fallacies other than to call then what they are but this one of yours is so asinine...  ::) solar energy works at night http://lmgtfy.com/?q=solar%20tower AND can also be stored. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=storing%20solar%20%20molten%20salt
wind energy can be stored too. i'll let you do your own due dilligence on that one.
you're simply trying to justify your lazy convenience...


nothing else to fall back on? wrong, so wrong. who said anything about using the grid? the wasted space on your roof can supply the energy. can you read? like it or not, you're just addicted to your lazy convenience. we have nothing BUT choices... you just choose to cater to your convenience. ::)

i never suggested or even implied "all electric from solar and wind". just stop with the strawman arguments, logical fallacies will get you nowhere with me.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 09, 2010, 12:34:54 AM
Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 12:44:14 AM
i notice you avoided showing where i said 'power all our needs' and are just continuing with your strawman argument ::)

Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?
there are links that answer you in my previous post... can you read? can you comprehend? let's remember here that my response to you regarding solar energy @ night was not related to what i am using. it was in response to your logical fallacy, the strawman argument you used wherein you tried to imply that i said 'all our needs'. you would do better to concern yourself with what you are doing, or more to the point, not doing, instead of what i am doing...
here you go mr. lazy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EvV90MeDY and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3d%20solar%20cell
now, DON'T ask me to do due diligence for you again, do it yourself.

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.
strange. i store the energy from my solar collectors AND my wind turbine... ::)

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.
there are plenty of other choices, you just choose to not use them for the sake of lazy convenience.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.
i did, and i don't think you are wrong, i know you are wrong because i am doing what you say can't or is 'too expensive' to be done. a battery doesn't cost a fortune, it works long term and provides energy on demand. pay attention or shut up. you don't have to purchase an electric car, you can convert your existing car... ::)

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.
more fallacious rationalization. i afforded it, and i have (by choice) a below average income...

a couple rhetorical questions unrelated to EV's that i will take the liberty of answering.
when is a solar collector most efficient? during the day in direct sunlight.
when do you use your airconditioner the most? during the day when the sun is out.
why do you not have a solar powered airconditioner? they don't make them.
why do you choose to not demand they make them, or choose to make one yourself? lazy convenience. :o
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 09, 2010, 01:57:20 AM
  REsin Rat

     Your right on.  There is plenty of enery scources but not alot of fuels.   The automotive industry and the oil industry appear to be indistinguishable.  One provides the fuel and the other provides the fuel heater uppers.  When I was a kid 30 or more years ago it became apparent to me that the world needed a new fuel.  The only one that has any merit is hydrogen.  But it explodes if there is any spark or anything.  And gasoline doesnt?.  Gasoline will burn on top of water hydrogen goes bam and produces water.  Hydrogen is very light unlike propane which is almost the same densisty as air.  Its going to go straight up and out decreasing the likely hood of dense vapors becoming ignited.  The oil companies could have been supplying us with hydrogen years ago volatile organics are loaded with it.  Thats why the engine runs to begin with.  The carbon is just a way of transporting the hydrogen to the cylinder.  Then we have the dangers involved with storing hydrogen under high pressure and the need to develop new infrastructure to transport it .  Bullshit.
A fuel processor on the front end of a hydrogen powered car or fuel cell powered car could easily seperate the hydrogen from the carbon using a liquid state fuel before it entered the engine.  When you stop to fill up you dump the seperated carbon and take on the hydrogen rich carbon.  You still have as much punch per pound and no reason to change anything but the engine.  This cuts the oil drillers out of the action all together  as their exploitation has left us with plenty of carbon on the surface.  This mixed with the hydrogen in water in endothermic reactions where thermal activity is available like anywhere it is above absolute zero.  The enriched carbon then supplied by existing distribution systems to the end users.  The automotive industry has gone for the carbon lithium battery which is a good thing in and of itself.  The problem is the grid is barely supplying the needs of the population now.  How bout when millions of cars are plugged in all at once when people arrive home and the batteries charge up fast.  Ten million vehicles hitting the grid all at once pulling serveral hundred killowatts each is going to be a nightmare for the utilities.  The simple addition of chemical reactors in the vehicles and in the fueling station is a baby step towards a pollution free fuel.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 09, 2010, 02:03:57 AM
I work as a Polymer Research Chemist and earn an above average income. I looked into SHARP solar panels on my house to try and offset some of my energy usage. The cost was ridiculous. Even I couldn't afford it. It would have taken more than 27 years to break even, and the panels were only advertised to have a working life of 25 years. That was a system tied to the grid without a battery. The battery system was even more expensive. I also looked into wind turbines, and the cost was too expensive for the dinky output these things put out.

Please show me what system you are using. If you have more affordable system of solar panels that don't take over twenty years to get your money back then please show me. You also need to understand that the majority of people are not do-it-yourselfers. They need to buy systems that are commercially built, have safety systems built in, and can competently handle large wattages. Not a home built, thrown together system. Most people will not use such a system for fear of mistakes, chance of fire, etc. They want commercially available, warrenteed systems.

You also are taking my first statement as a personal attack on you. It was not. It was not a quote of what you wrote, it was a general statement, which is true. Solar and wind cannot provide all the needs for our society. If you are implying that you only meant for powering electric cars then that is clear. My statement is unrelated to what you wrote.

I am not your enemy, only an average United States Citizen who is trying to get by in a rotten economy and a rotten job market.

Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 02:24:28 AM
I work as a Polymer Research Chemist and earn an above average income. I looked into SHARP solar panels on my house to try and offset some of my energy usage. The cost was ridiculous. Even I couldn't afford it. It would have taken more than 27 years to break even, and the panels were only advertised to have a working life of 25 years. That was a system tied to the grid without a battery. The battery system was even more expensive. I also looked into wind turbines, and the cost was too expensive for the dinky output these things put out.
is your house built AND positioned in a way to best utilize the sun's energy? or are you just making more excuses for lazy convenience...
your sincerity seems suspect when i read posts of yours like this one:
Be careful with the Acetone. I tried this with my PT-Cruiser. It has a high-output turbo engine and normally gets crappy mileage. I am lucky if I achieve 19 miles/gallon on the highway. (Why do I drive it? I love the 220 -hp output of the engine on that small car. It throws me back in my seat and gets me merged on the 70 mph highway is seconds. It's great at stoplights and surprises laughing potential victims. I love it too much to give it up right now.)

You also need to understand that the majority of people are not do-it-yourselfers. They need to buy systems that are commercially built, have safety systems built in, and can competently handle large wattages. Not a home built, thrown together system. Most people will not use such a system for fear of mistakes, chance of fire, etc. They want commercially available, warrenteed systems.
in otherwords you are saying most people are too lazy to learn and get out there and do it themselves and are instead dependant upon someone else to provide them with their wants... more excuses for lazy convenience. not my problem, and again confusion over wants and needs... ::)

You also are taking my first statement as a personal attack on you. It was not. It was not a quote of what you wrote, it was a general statement, which is true. Solar and wind cannot provide all the needs for our society. If you are implying that you only meant for powering electric cars then that is clear. My statement is unrelated to what you wrote.
no i'm not. i took it as a logical fallacy, which is what it is when you pervert someones statement:

from your beloved wiki...
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

   1. Person A has position X. person A would be me saying vehicles could and should be EV's and solar charged, which is position X.
   2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). person B would be you inferring/implying that i meant "all energy from solar and wind" which is position Y.
   3. Person B attacks position Y. person B would be you. Y is your distorted version of what i ACTUALLY said.
   4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
"


I am not your enemy, only an average United States Citizen who is trying to get by in a rotten economy and a rotten job market.
i never said you were, being addicted to lazy convenience as you are doesn't make you my enemy...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 09, 2010, 02:42:47 AM
is your house built AND positioned in a way to best utilize the sun's energy? or are you just making more excuses for lazy convenience...
My house is in a very good position for solar panels. It has a large surface area on the south side of the house. Position was not the problem, it was the cost.

in otherwords you are saying most people are too lazy to learn and get out there and do it themselves and are instead dependant upon someone else to provide them with their wants... more excuses for lazy convenience. not my problem, and again confusion over wants and needs... ::)

People are not too lazy, they just realize they do not have the knowledge, skill, intelligence, and ability to tackle such projects. I wouldn't trust myself to do it. That is why everyone has a profession and other people pay you to do that profession. I wouldn't put up a solar panel for many reasons. I don't think I could do it safely; but I can design and cook polymers at high temperatures and pressures with confidence. That's what I get paid for. That's what I was educated to do; and people pay me to do it who can't do my job. That's not them being lazy. That is the reality of life. Few people can do everything. You are being very cruel and unreasonable.

no i'm not. i took it as a logical fallacy, which is what it is when you pervert someones statement:

from your beloved wiki...
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

   1. Person A has position X. person A would be me saying vehicles could and should be EV's and solar charged, which is position X.
   2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). person B would be you inferring/implying that i meant "all energy from solar and wind" which is position Y.
   3. Person B attacks position Y. person B would be you. Y is your distorted version of what i ACTUALLY said.
   4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
"

i never said you were, being addicted to lazy convenience as you are doesn't make you my enemy...
I repeat, I was not attacking you personally. You are wrong.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 02:50:53 AM
My house is in a very good position for solar panels. It has a large surface area on the south side of the house. Position was not the problem, it was the cost.
i didn't ask if it was in a good position to use solar panels, i asked if it was "built AND positioned in a way to best utilize the sun's energy." there is a not so subtle difference. if your house was positioned to not heat up via the sun in the summer and to heat up via the sun in the winter, that in and of itself would reduce your energy usage greatly.

People are not too lazy, they just realize they do not have the knowledge, skill, intelligence, and ability to tackle such projects. I wouldn't trust myself to do it. That is why everyone has a profession and other people pay you to do that profession. I wouldn't put up a solar panel for many reasons. I don't think I could do it safely; but I can design and cook polymers at high temperatures and pressures with confidence. That's what I get paid for. That's what I was educated to do; and people pay me to do it who can't do my job. That's not them being lazy. That is the reality of life. Few people can do everything. You are being very cruel and unreasonable.
I repeat, I was not attacking you personally. You are wrong.
people who choose not to learn are lazy... if you don't have the knowledge, skill or ability, learn. whining about it won't change a thing. everyone has a profession because hardly anyone bothers to learn how to be indepedant anymore. they CHOOSE to be dependant on others and rationalize it away. maybe i am being cruel, logic often appears to be cold and cruel, but the only one being unreasonable is you. logical fallacies as arguments are hardly considered 'reasonable'.
i repeat, i DID NOT take it as a personal attack, i took it for what it was, a strawman argument.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 09, 2010, 03:13:55 AM
     To get back to the subject of the thread.  Why are they drilling these relief wells  The official BP spokesman says that it is better to inject the mud at the bottom of the well.  Then why dont you put a frigging pipe down the well that is all screwed up and inject the mud at the bottom of the well. If you can thread a pipe through the Earth and meet up at a point several miles away you should be able to slide a small pipe inside a bigger pipe. 
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 03:42:42 AM
     To get back to the subject of the thread.  Why are they drilling these relief wells
not quite sure the relief wells were the subject of the thread, but it's to get you the oil you 'need' so badly... at least till you get your hydrogen car working. my solar powered electric vehicle works great by the way, do let us know when your H car is done. ;)
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: MrMag on July 09, 2010, 06:54:11 AM
     To get back to the subject of the thread.  Why are they drilling these relief wells  The official BP spokesman says that it is better to inject the mud at the bottom of the well.  Then why dont you put a frigging pipe down the well that is all screwed up and inject the mud at the bottom of the well. If you can thread a pipe through the Earth and meet up at a point several miles away you should be able to slide a small pipe inside a bigger pipe.

Relief wells are the way they stopped the last one 30 some years ago. They will take the pressure away from the main line so that they will be able to cap it.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 09, 2010, 08:01:49 AM
i assume you are referring to the pemex blowout in 1979? i guess we can only hope these relief wells won't take 9 months like it did back in '79!
you really don't think they are going plug it do you? they are of course planning to use the relief wells to tap the original reservoir...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 10, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
  The other thing I cant understand isnt there more than one conduit out of this well head.  Why hasnt the damaged riser pipe been replaced with a new riser.    The way the casings are designed is they get weaker and larger as they go up.  They rely on the frictional losses in the lower sections or pressure drop through the point and lower sections.  They hit a pressure way beyond the design parameters of the well and blew out all the mud and ruptured the casing.  But no one is talking.  If that casing ruptured that means there is now a conduit into less dense strata and impregnating this strata with pressurized oil and all the rest of the poisons associated with volatile organics.  Some reports of doming of the seabed floor are circulating along with plumes miles away from the well head.   I believe that is why the wells being drilled are being drilled at an angle.  If they drill too close to the casing rupture the relief wells will start spewing.  Why angle a well in like that unless you are trying to avoid a problem area?  If they have a ruptured casing or buckled or whatever why not come clean with it.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: WattBuilder on July 10, 2010, 09:04:31 PM

Here’s something I came up with that might work?
The device uses super magnets and the leak’s own fluid pressure to seal and cap the pipe, then to fallow with cement pour into the pipe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF3Wx9ZxLw   

Howard Yu
 

Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 11, 2010, 03:32:27 AM
Watch the live feeds as they try to cap the leak with the larger cap.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/OceanInterventionROV1.html

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/OceanInterventionROV2.html

Pretty cool to watch right now.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 13, 2010, 01:31:00 AM
Here you can see all of BP's feeds at once.

http://www.bp.com/sectionbodycopy.do?categoryId=9034366&contentId=7063636

It's like watching something out of Starwars - with fancy Droids.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 13, 2010, 05:04:27 AM
Here you can see all of BP's feeds at once.

http://www.bp.com/sectionbodycopy.do?categoryId=9034366&contentId=7063636

It's like watching something out of Starwars - with fancy Droids.
Okay, BP got the new cap attached.  They still have to test it under pressure and see if it works right.  Oil is still gushing from the top, so they're still "on the hook" to everyone for this fiasco.

Let's see what happens in a day or two.

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 15, 2010, 11:27:11 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/15/bp-begins-critical-pressure-test-new-cap-oil/

Oil leak STOPPED -- for now.

We'll see what happens.

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7063770

Could last a day or two per tests. Maybe longer.

At least it is stopped for now.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 16, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
Okay, BP got the new cap attached.  They still have to test it under pressure and see if it works right.  Oil is still gushing from the top, so they're still "on the hook" to everyone for this fiasco.
Let's see what happens in a day or two.
--Lee
As ResinRat2 indicated:
The new cap actually held.  Amazing.  It doesn't necessarily need to poison the Gulf in the future.  BP still has to complete the relief wells to plug the main one with concrete.

We live in hope.

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: happyfunball on July 16, 2010, 02:25:45 AM
Bla bla bla

Why don't you find another messageboard for your temper tantrums...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 16, 2010, 02:45:53 AM
Now they sit back and look for signs of increased seabed floor doming.  If the seabed starts to rise the cap will have to be opened before the seabed open ups a fissure and the sudden release of untold amounts of whatever is down there.  Or the top of the well head seperates all together along with 100s of feet of casing in some kind of underwater oil rocket.  What a mess.  Really a wakeup call to the present administration to get off its knees licking the boots of opec and invest in altenative energy like they said they were going to.  We need the grid to be overhauled also if we expect to deploy electric vehicles.  What ever happened to all the money Bush  was going  to give the department of energy to invest in fuel cell technology and hydrogen production.  The deserts of the Southwest are rich in sunshine.  Imagine the US exporting fuel instead of trading everything it has for it including the lives of young men and women.  Imagine defunct factories springing into action producing electric vehicles solar cells windmills thermal electric converters.  The GNP will go from it's stagnant growth to 5fold what it is now.  We have millions of people unemployed just waiting for a chance.  This is something that everyone can get behind except the old money.  Fuck the old money and in with the noveau riche.  The truly wealthy of mind and spirit.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 16, 2010, 06:15:10 AM
And if a dome appears there will be a stretching of the surface which equals multiple weak spots. Any one or many could crack open.

Now they sit back and look for signs of increased seabed floor doming.  If the seabed starts to rise the cap will have to be opened before the seabed open ups a fissure and the sudden release of untold amounts of whatever is down there.  Or the top of the well head seperates all together along with 100s of feet of casing in some kind of underwater oil rocket.  What a mess.  Really a wakeup call to the present administration to get off its knees licking the boots of opec and invest in altenative energy like they said they were going to.  We need the grid to be overhauled also if we expect to deploy electric vehicles.  What ever happened to all the money Bush  was going  to give the department of energy to invest in fuel cell technology and hydrogen production.  The deserts of the Southwest are rich in sunshine.  Imagine the US exporting fuel instead of trading everything it has for it including the lives of young men and women.  Imagine defunct factories springing into action producing electric vehicles solar cells windmills thermal electric converters.  The GNP will go from it's stagnant growth to 5fold what it is now.  We have millions of people unemployed just waiting for a chance.  This is something that everyone can get behind except the old money.  Fuck the old money and in with the noveau riche.  The truly wealthy of mind and spirit.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 16, 2010, 07:54:40 AM
@GK

   Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick     Guys with sophisticated fishfinders have reported a dome building in the area with a two mile outer circumference.    BP is not going to pay for the gulf cleanup its going to be pay at the pump as usual.  That money Obama had set aside by BP is not going to come out of BP's shareholers pockets.  It will be coming out of ours everytime we have to go to the filling station.  Every time I go to the filling station I feel like someone is filling a particular orifice of mine.  The government taxes fuel because they feel that fuel is not a necessity and we have the option of walking to wherever we HAVE to go,  Ya right.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: happyfunball on July 16, 2010, 01:03:21 PM
@GK

   Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick     Guys with sophisticated fishfinders have reported a dome building in the area with a two mile outer circumference.    BP is not going to pay for the gulf cleanup its going to be pay at the pump as usual.  That money Obama had set aside by BP is not going to come out of BP's shareholers pockets.  It will be coming out of ours everytime we have to go to the filling station.  Every time I go to the filling station I feel like someone is filling a particular orifice of mine.  The government taxes fuel because they feel that fuel is not a necessity and we have the option of walking to wherever we HAVE to go,  Ya right.

The 'Skandi' live feed on BP's site shows some sort of sonar survey.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 18, 2010, 07:24:13 AM
Let me guess...
Natural disaster causes eminent domain folly. Martial law enacted. No voting in November to replace regime congress.
All hail socialist aristocracy.

My popcorn and soda are gone. Do I have to time to run to the bathroom?

Proctor, Proctor show me the spill I got a bad case of burnin' fuel! (remake of Robert Palmer song)

The 'Skandi' live feed on BP's site shows some sort of sonar survey.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 18, 2010, 01:27:38 PM
I thought the pressure was 25k pounds.  Why would it be slowly building.  You shut off a valve doesnt the system immediately rise to the static pressure of the system.  Of course this is unless somebody is filling the bathtub and you are closing the sink faucet and there is a common feed line. 
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 18, 2010, 02:33:46 PM
As others have mentioned; there may be a rupture in the pipe and it is leaking through somewhere below. It was on the news this morning about that possiblilty because the pressure is too low at the cap right now.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: X00013 on July 19, 2010, 03:23:20 AM
Gov sucks ass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gouSXt2zE4
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 19, 2010, 06:44:20 AM
Black water rafting anyone?
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 19, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
Oh man, leakage detected somewhere:

http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx/money/business/APNews/General-Business/20100719/U_US-Gulf-Oil-Spill?pageid=1

Obama administration says its still OK to keep cap shut tight.

You may be right about being up the creek GK.
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 19, 2010, 04:29:01 PM
Sometimes its not a good thing to be right.  :(
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 19, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
   Tick Tick Tick Tick Tick     Guys with sophisticated fishfinders have reported a dome building in the area with a two mile outer circumference.   
Well, it's more than a rumor.  There's a seeping leak some "distance" from the riser and cap, and, methane is also seeping at the riser, which is detectable.  BP says there's "anomalies" at the site.

This isn't over yet.

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: giantkiller on July 19, 2010, 09:44:24 PM
This planet, Earth, serves multiple purposes. Home, vacation, life, protection, space flight, death, a tool.

Take a look this way. This planet will and would enable us to get into space to live and travel but only if we were or are a loving sphere of people. This microsphere of protection makes a great stepping stone and affords the resources to gain for the better. But it also becomes our burial tool as it measures our existance into oblivion. The measurement comes as a timing mechanism. We choose to keep looking at our feet and we miss the great expanse above. Evil has spent day 1 to now causing corruption to reign over mankind. Choose not to Believe if you want but the the end of the measure comes quickly. Instead of using the measurement tool to advance we run around with a big stick raping and pillaging everything that is in reach and then some.
This is the perfect setup. For when we use up everything and then break whats left we have lost our chances to progress. The animals never are loosed from the zoo. And so we are stuck in a cage to rot out out our last days. Simple minds, we are...
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 20, 2010, 01:10:46 AM
Just reported: Target date for the first relief well is July 29th. (a week ahead of schedule)

Title: Re: Another new record---this one's Chinese...
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 21, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
Oh man, leakage detected somewhere:
http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx/money/business/APNews/General-Business/20100719/U_US-Gulf-Oil-Spill?pageid=1

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_pipeline_explosion

If isn't one thing, it's another.
This one's a pipeline.  Do they know how to stop it?  Are the Chinese as well prepared for a disaster as BP or even technically proficient enough to deal with this?  So far, it doesn't look that way.

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 28, 2010, 04:15:41 AM
This isn't over yet.
If it isn't one thing, it's another:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=11260946

--Lee
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: PhiScience on July 28, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Wait don’t stop yet there’s more!

http://www.nwitimes.com/ap/state/article_681c6692-9caf-55a3-94fc-2f6f21e48c32.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/ap/state/article_681c6692-9caf-55a3-94fc-2f6f21e48c32.html)
Title: Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
Post by: sparks on July 29, 2010, 02:24:22 AM
  The dinsosaurs appear to have got stuck in tar pits.  Probably bogs back in the day and they just sank in the muck.  At least they didnt turn their whole domain into a tarpit. They said these creatures didnt have much of a brain.  There descendants seem to rule the world.  I dont know exactly when primates genes got mixed up with reptile genes but it definitely was not in the best interest of the Earth biosphere.