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Offline giantkiller

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2010, 06:16:00 AM »
Don't touch that! Dah da da dah. It hammer time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sARuZSr4nS8

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2010, 06:16:00 AM »

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2010, 12:01:17 PM »
     The gas is a huge problem.  As it float up it expands and would tend to rupture any pipes attached to a well head manifold so the manifold would have to seperate the gas from the oil.  I have this feeling that the gas has ruptured the well in the upper sections and is going somewhere else.  I just dont see enough bubbles in BPS video feed.  BP have a handle on how many cu miles of natural gas is hitting the atmosphere yet.  Talk about a warm breeze off the Gulf.  How bout one that explodes.

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2010, 06:29:40 PM »
The gases and heavy metals are what Lindsey Williams and  Alex Jones are talking about. The pressure caused sepage perpendicular to the well underground. This horizontal push is entering between the stratus  at different levels and causing calderas and fissures 20 miles away. The air is already filled with benzene flowing over Tampa / St.Pete. We should start to see respiratory failures in the elderly community.

Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhugmaAL3A

The Jihad has started.

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2010, 06:29:40 PM »
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2010, 08:54:48 PM »
     The gas is a huge problem.  As it float up it expands and would tend to rupture any pipes attached to a well head manifold so the manifold would have to seperate the gas from the oil.  I have this feeling that the gas has ruptured the well in the upper sections and is going somewhere else.  I just don't see enough bubbles in BPS video feed.  BP have a handle on how many cu miles of natural gas is hitting the atmosphere yet.  Talk about a warm breeze off the Gulf.  How bout one that explodes.

Yes you are very right about the gases but that is not a problem. I have made a new diagram to show what is required to stop that leak.

Basically, to separate a good percentage of the gases from the oil, each manifold enters the sidewall and the riser part has a gas deflection cone so gas does not get entrained into the pump suction. So 14 of these placed around the tank and a center off gas opening to let the gases rise. Even if they expand as they rise, there is no holding it back.

Regardless if this tank is in 100 feet, 1000 feet or 5000 feet, it does not matter. The tank will have the same pressure outside as inside so all that is required is a few pressure sensors and variable drive pumps to keep emptying the oil as it fills the tank.

There is no other way.

If I was the President, I would have all the major oil companies that are doing deep sea drilling to pay along with BP the fines because none of them have any better advanced plans to stop a leak hence any one of them could have had the same problem leak. They are all a bunch of pea brained bastards. They drill into our collective 3rd rock without giving a shit of the consequences.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2010, 10:57:31 PM by wattsup »

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2010, 09:06:41 PM »
GK has pointed us towards a nine part series.

The name is so long it is difficult to choose the correct order.
" Lindsey Williams Talks with Alex Jones About Deadly Gases Leaking from BP Spill x/9 "

Here is the proper order.

I'll group these in three,s
to be easier on the eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhugmaAL3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncpwT0ScYww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adiZE3cwYDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGdUziSaRCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYs-fec7Pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DggtuJjOTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJgKE6dyqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woc2oPt0Byk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiZ9jy6yJQ

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2010, 09:06:41 PM »
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2010, 08:59:47 AM »
 There are so many of us,
 surely one of us has seen
 the name of this BP idiot ?

This has been my quest since
my first post in this thread here.

If I had the money,
I'd drag him by his balls,
straight into a court myself.



Here is more re-iteration,
identical to the 60-Minute
interview of a survivour:


* Rig survivors say a BP and Transocean
   official argued over shortcut on day of blast

* BP official won argument:
   "This is how it's gonna be,"
   he said, according to witnesses

* BP says it won't comment on specifics

* BP routinely cut corners and pushed ahead
   despite safety concerns, workers say

(CNN) -- The morning the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded,
a BP executive and a Transocean official argued
over how to proceed with the drilling,
rig survivors told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview.

The survivors' account paints perhaps the most detailed picture yet
of what happened on the deepwater rig -- and the possible causes
of the April 20 explosion.

The BP official wanted workers to replace heavy mud,
used to keep the well's pressure down,
with lighter seawater to help speed a process
that was costing an estimated $750,000 a day
and was already running five weeks late,
rig survivors told CNN.

BP won the argument, said Doug Brown, the rig's chief mechanic.
"He basically said, 'Well, this is how it's gonna be.' "

"That's what the big argument was about," added Daniel Barron III.

Shortly after the exchange, chief driller Dewey Revette
expressed concern and opposition too, the workers said,
and on the drilling floor, they chatted among themselves.

"I don't ever remember doing this," they said, according to Barron.

"I think that's why Dewey was so reluctant to try to do it,"
Barron said,
"because he didn't feel it was the right way to have things done."



Hasn't anyone reading this anywhere in the world
got the name of this complete fucking slimeball?



OMFG, I got interupted,
so I posted what I had wrote so far.

I am reading the rest now.

Now understand that I see TransOcean
as a contracted physical layer partner:

They seem to have a good safety record,
even though Google has other opinions.

I think several years without downtime
that caused missed owntime due to injury
speaks for itself, and BP's whores overide says all.

11 Fuckin' lives, says it all !    Fuck BP's overide !

That BP asshole KNEW the first two cement seals
were leaking gas badly before this decision,
he knew about the dead batteries,
bad gas cell pressures, and that they had
communication failures on the BOP recently.

Yet still the BP mother-fucker
called for a "Light seal" procedure
(Sea water in place of heavy drillers mud,
don't wait for the first two seals to set!)

I'm sorry for the language, but we are being overidden,
we have 367 tons of neurotxin in the Gulf of Mexico now !

That is the best I can find
through channels that are questionable.

And our president is a horses ass for letting
what is banned around the world from use here !



"The rig survivors also said it was always understood
that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns
that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had
been fired for speaking out, they said."

" 'Safety was "almost used as a crutch by the company,'
Barron said. He said he was once scolded
for standing on a bucket on the rig,
yet the next day, Transocean ordered a crane
to continue operating amid high winds,
against its own policies.
'It's like they used it against us
-- the safety policies --
you know, to their advantage.' "

"At times, the drill got stuck. Many times,
it "kicked," meaning gas was shooting back
through the mud at an alarming rate."

"I've seen a lot of gas coming up from muds on different wells,
and the highest I've ever seen in my 11 years was 1,500 units.
And this well gave us 3,000," Brown said.
"I've never been on a well with that high of gas coming out of the mud.
That was kind of letting me know this well was something to be reckoned with."

Go read the darn thing please,
but definately lokk at my 60-Minute links.





« Last Edit: June 28, 2010, 12:38:43 PM by CompuTutor »

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2010, 02:46:59 AM »
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=184196

The estimators have increased the minimum amount from 798,000 gals./day to what you see now.  I prefer the estimate:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/12/bp-oil-spill-gulf-mexico

~= 1,600,000 gals./day

UPDATE:
Different site counting barrels:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/01/hurricane.oil.plan/index.html?hpt=T2

Also, the typical baseline per/day estimate was revised to 1,470,000 gals/day for the first site at the top of this post.  I still think the 1,6000,000 gals./day is conservative.
 
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2010, 02:46:59 AM »
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2010, 08:22:11 AM »
Check it out. The Truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpCOY7VKC8


And How to solve the BP oil spill disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xScwaMuBiUo

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2010, 04:35:03 AM »
Has this video been posted yet? Pretty interesting.

http://www.wimp.com/oilspills/

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2010, 04:35:03 AM »
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2010, 05:47:16 AM »
you are all now reaping what you have sown... was your lazy convenience worth it? i guess that remains to be seen...

running an EV (electric vehicle) 1000 miles per month takes only 250 kWh of electric, about $25 worth; about what two old refrigerators cost and about a third of the average home usage. it would take only a tenth of the average home roof -- 6 square yards -- to make 250 kWh per month, enough electric energy to run a plug-in car 1000 miles per month. the unused rooftops of america, over 10,000 square miles, can supply more energy than we need....

america's largest open-pit coal mine is a witches cauldron of toxic waste and caustic destruction, but if the ground were left alone, and covered with solar panels, we would get more electric energy from the same space (28,000 acres) than from burning the coal... instead of coal mines and oil rigs, the same workers could be manufacturing and installing solar panels and building electric plug-in cars and reforming the batteries after 100K miles. after 100K or 200K miles NiMH batteries can be remelted down and made into new batteries without new mining.

solar power and plug-in electric cars are the obvious sustainable way to power individual autos... but nevermind all that, just go along to get along... ::)






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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2010, 10:06:20 PM »
Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2010, 11:33:46 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2010, 10:06:20 PM »
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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2010, 10:20:57 PM »
Amish saying:
'We inherit the world from our ancestors, but we borrow the planet from our children'.

At what time does 'Conspiracy' ('Cons' = 'With' + Piracy(pirate)) theory become history?

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2010, 11:51:22 PM »
Solar is not the answer, and even combined with wind-power it could never power all our needs. There is no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power. Once the sun goes down, or the days are rainy and cloudy, the output of the solar panels drop dramatically. Once the wind stops blowing, the giant wind-turbines produce nothing; and on windy days and nights there is, again, no efficient, affordable, and sustainable way to store that power.

So we are left with the need for a reliable power source to fill in the gaps. That leaves us with fossil fuels or nuclear power. Mankind has NOTHING else to fall back on. Even if everyone were given an electric car tommorrow, the electric grid could not handle the load. On very hot days in the midwest US we even experience brown-outs at times. The grid is taxed to its limit. Like it or not, we need the oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power to sustain us. We have no choice. Six billion people need to eat, work, and survive.

All these dreamy visions of all electric from solar and wind are not realistic.

did i say power all our needs? i'm pretty sure i referenced VEHICLES... can you show where i said 'power all our needs'? don't twist my statements with your logical fallacies (strawman).
you don't need a suv that gets 15mpg to drive to and from work, you just want one.
your argument holds no water, and normally i don't respond to logical fallacies other than to call then what they are but this one of yours is so asinine...  ::) solar energy works at night http://lmgtfy.com/?q=solar%20tower AND can also be stored. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=storing%20solar%20%20molten%20salt
wind energy can be stored too. i'll let you do your own due dilligence on that one.
you're simply trying to justify your lazy convenience...


nothing else to fall back on? wrong, so wrong. who said anything about using the grid? the wasted space on your roof can supply the energy. can you read? like it or not, you're just addicted to your lazy convenience. we have nothing BUT choices... you just choose to cater to your convenience. ::)

i never suggested or even implied "all electric from solar and wind". just stop with the strawman arguments, logical fallacies will get you nowhere with me.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2010, 01:20:27 AM by WilbyInebriated »

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« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2010, 12:34:54 AM »
Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.

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Re: Gulf Oil Spill - new record
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2010, 12:44:14 AM »
i notice you avoided showing where i said 'power all our needs' and are just continuing with your strawman argument ::)

Please enlighten me, how does solar energy work at night? How do you store it? Do you use batteries? What is the cost of those batteries? Don't forget they need to be replaced every five years or so. At what cost then? If you are using your car during the day, how does the sunlight on your home roof charge that car?
there are links that answer you in my previous post... can you read? can you comprehend? let's remember here that my response to you regarding solar energy @ night was not related to what i am using. it was in response to your logical fallacy, the strawman argument you used wherein you tried to imply that i said 'all our needs'. you would do better to concern yourself with what you are doing, or more to the point, not doing, instead of what i am doing...
here you go mr. lazy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EvV90MeDY and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3d%20solar%20cell
now, DON'T ask me to do due diligence for you again, do it yourself.

Also, they do NOT store the energy off of wind turbines. Look it up yourself. Energy storage is a big flaw in the Solar / Wind dream.
strange. i store the energy from my solar collectors AND my wind turbine... ::)

I dislike the whole oil/coal/nuclear system we have, but right now there are no other choices.
there are plenty of other choices, you just choose to not use them for the sake of lazy convenience.

Please show me the alternatives if you think I am wrong. Show me examples of energy storage that don't cost a fortune, work long term, and will provide energy on demand even during rainy overcast days. Right now there is none. Don't forget the extra cost of purchasing the electric car. That's expensive too.
i did, and i don't think you are wrong, i know you are wrong because i am doing what you say can't or is 'too expensive' to be done. a battery doesn't cost a fortune, it works long term and provides energy on demand. pay attention or shut up. you don't have to purchase an electric car, you can convert your existing car... ::)

The average person cannot afford to purchase alternative energy. It is too expensive.
more fallacious rationalization. i afforded it, and i have (by choice) a below average income...

a couple rhetorical questions unrelated to EV's that i will take the liberty of answering.
when is a solar collector most efficient? during the day in direct sunlight.
when do you use your airconditioner the most? during the day when the sun is out.
why do you not have a solar powered airconditioner? they don't make them.
why do you choose to not demand they make them, or choose to make one yourself? lazy convenience. :o
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