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### Author Topic: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?  (Read 8277 times)

#### Alexioco

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##### Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« on: April 27, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »
Could Johann Bessler of used the Fibonacci Number Sequence to identify which wheels to combine in the Maschinen Tractate?

Here is some of the Fibonacci Number Sequence: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55

Notice two things in the above number sequence that has something in common with certain possible clues provided by Johann Bessler...

Clue Number 1: In the Fibonacci Number Sequence, the number (1) is repeated, just as the wheel design number 1 in his Maschinen Tractate is also repeated.

Clue Number 2: The number (55) is present in the Fibonacci Number Sequence, which numerous clues provided by Johann Bessler point to the number 55.

Clue Number 3: In the Maschinen Tractate, the wheel design number 55 is the first design where the side comments stop.

So could the Fibonacci Number Sequence from 1 up to 55 be the wheel designs that you have to combine? Meaning wheel design numbers 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 and 55 are the wheel designs that you have to combine and then look for the movement?

Of course design number (0) isn't counted, the two number (1) designs are the same except that one of them has a dotted line showing a movement which might be of some help later on? and then you have the rest of the numbers up to 55 which you combine also...

This is just an idea which popped up in my mind. Maybe another or more clues might be brought out of this...?

Cheers, Alex

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##### Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« on: April 27, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »

#### Alexioco

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2010, 08:52:34 PM »
Hey P-Motion

What information could you share with us to further this possible clue?

Alex

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 03:44:46 AM »
Could Johann Bessler of used the Fibonacci Number Sequence to identify which wheels to combine in the Maschinen Tractate?

Here is some of the Fibonacci Number Sequence: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55

Notice two things in the above number sequence that has something in common with certain possible clues provided by Johann Bessler...

Clue Number 1: In the Fibonacci Number Sequence, the number (1) is repeated, just as the wheel design number 1 in his Maschinen Tractate is also repeated.

Clue Number 2: The number (55) is present in the Fibonacci Number Sequence, which numerous clues provided by Johann Bessler point to the number 55.

Clue Number 3: In the Maschinen Tractate, the wheel design number 55 is the first design where the side comments stop.

So could the Fibonacci Number Sequence from 1 up to 55 be the wheel designs that you have to combine? Meaning wheel design numbers 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 and 55 are the wheel designs that you have to combine and then look for the movement?

Of course design number (0) isn't counted, the two number (1) designs are the same except that one of them has a dotted line showing a movement which might be of some help later on? and then you have the rest of the numbers up to 55 which you combine also...

This is just an idea which popped up in my mind. Maybe another or more clues might be brought out of this...?

Cheers, Alex

Thank You Alex

This gives more clue to possibilities. It may mean nothing or there could be something there that only time will tell. Take the numbers and reverse them. This could also be a clue. The best part is these type of clues can help open the mind as long as we don't claim the clues as the only source.

Alan

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 03:44:46 AM »

#### Mk1

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 11:09:50 PM »
@all

I think those numbers could also be viewed as fraction , in a 60 base math system maybe it would make more sense but there are 10 divider ...

Mark

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 11:09:50 PM »

#### Alexioco

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 12:29:58 AM »
Hi Alex,
Here is one of my favorite quotes by AB Hammer.
>> It seem like all you want to talk is math. If math could have solved it, it would have been done.
Re: G-Force
Â« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2009, 06:38:52 PM Â»
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6431.30#msg149368<<

There is something interesting about the sequence you mentioned.

I'm sorry to break the topic for a moment but p-motion, if you don't mind please, but don't bring up any subject/s to do with you and any issues with AB_Hammer as i want to try and keep this topic simply to what its about , I'm not having a go, i just don't want to read another topic interrupted by arguments and what not, I would really appreciate that, thanks... anyway caring on with the topic,

Yea reversing the numbers might be a possibility like you said before swapping 0 and 1 around to make 10 etc However i feel like that maybe a bit far out? I don't know maybe it isn't...

@ Mark: Could you explain more about what you mean?

Cheers, Alex

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 12:29:58 AM »

#### AB Hammer

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 02:19:23 AM »
Greetings Alex

In this game it is a lot of guessing and acquired skill by studying reactions and effects. We learn different ways of lifting and shifting. Bessler said something about lifting 4 lbs with 1 lb. PM sent

Alan

#### Mk1

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 05:11:22 AM »
@all

The sequence of numbers have been extracted from nature , golden geometry , its the structure of life and reality it self down to its smallest parts . Nature was not familiar with the decimal system  .

There is not a correct answer to it yet , but to me it is quantum mechanics .

But i will however try to illustrate we usually see numbers as only preceding or following another , we usually do the same with freq since its usually associated to a number and treated as such , big mistake ...

If you play a musical instrument those frequencies become notes and patterns emerges , Usually divided in 12 segments the 12th being the same note as the first at a higher octave and have the same ring in the harmony . The maths of it is quantum physic lets say step one would be
440 the 12th 880 it you go 12 steps back you have 220 now you also need to you divide the 12 unequal steps , a bunch of fun , i also believe there is a is a hidden numerological code , it should be relevant in any outcome . Now this quantum logic need to be used since its the matrix  .

So steps one(440) is half of step 12(880) the values of the first is also equal to its spread .

All and all a bunch of fun !

Those numbers could be 10 different fraction value , 10 vector.

Any of natures system work perfectly and we must some time mirror the result and process to reveal it beauty , we ca work the same way !

I hope i did not confuse anyone

Mark

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 05:11:22 AM »

#### Alexioco

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 01:17:50 PM »

Say you have an off-pivoted seesaw so that when a 1 once weight is put on the long end, there is on the short end an output force of 2 ounces. Now say that 2 ounce output is fed back to the long end of the seesaw, the long end would output 3 ounces, because it already has a 1 ounce output. Because of that, the long end now has a force of 3 ounces, the short end of the seesaw must of also increased to 5 ounce output of force which would then feed it to the other end creating an output force of 8 ounces (3+5=8). This process would continue according to the Fibbonacci Number Sequence... The forces involved would be enormous and would increase infinitely until destruction...

Alex

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 02:47:14 PM »
@all

The sequence of numbers have been extracted from nature , golden geometry , its the structure of life and reality it self down to its smallest parts . Nature was not familiar with the decimal system  .

There is not a correct answer to it yet , but to me it is quantum mechanics .

But i will however try to illustrate we usually see numbers as only preceding or following another , we usually do the same with freq since its usually associated to a number and treated as such , big mistake ...

If you play a musical instrument those frequencies become notes and patterns emerges , Usually divided in 12 segments the 12th being the same note as the first at a higher octave and have the same ring in the harmony . The maths of it is quantum physic lets say step one would be
440 the 12th 880 it you go 12 steps back you have 220 now you also need to you divide the 12 unequal steps , a bunch of fun , i also believe there is a is a hidden numerological code , it should be relevant in any outcome . Now this quantum logic need to be used since its the matrix  .

So steps one(440) is half of step 12(880) the values of the first is also equal to its spread .

All and all a bunch of fun !

Those numbers could be 10 different fraction value , 10 vector.

Any of natures system work perfectly and we must some time mirror the result and process to reveal it beauty , we ca work the same way !

I hope i did not confuse anyone

Mark

Thanks Mk1

When you mentioned the music your point became clear. Bessler would use music due to his work with pipe organs. As musicians Alex and myself should have a good idea. IMO Alex is a very good musician and well versed in classical approaches. I don't see this clue as the answer, but a clue to the possibility of being on the correct path if your designs meets the criteria of true harmony on how one part works with another.

PS. The only proof will come in the running wheel and since we do not know what Bessler truly did, it would be hard pressed to prove it was Bessler's. But as Bessler's writing as a guide it would confirm his place in history. Assumptions rarely prove as facts.

Alan

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 02:47:14 PM »

#### Alexioco

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##### Re: Johann Bessler and the Fibonacci Number Sequence?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 05:32:47 PM »
Well I have passed my grade 7 music exam and I am now on grade 8 so I'm getting there Music is an art is like and strange enough, a lot of the principles in music including how to practice it in also found in nature...

P.S I'm going to make a piece of music using the Fibbonacci Number Sequence to see what comes out

I'm starting to really think now that this number sequence is part of the answer to perpetual motion, the number is found in nature for a start and the numbers increase in a logical order, pairs of numbers increasing the output...

Alex