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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 278636 times)

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #315 on: November 30, 2010, 07:59:00 PM »
Are they using ambient air for chamber expansion? Are they trying to use a sealed mixture? Could the running away from the engine possibly cause by to much fuel/air mixture? Is the engine timing driven by the cam or the crankshaft? Looks like the crankshaft. It might help to run it by the camshaft and retard both at the same time with a single control. Would the system work better with a two stroke engine? You don't have to have overunity at this point to make the world better. Just something that beats the price at the pump 2:1 would be a godsend. Specially a system that does not pollute. So if you have to charge an extra battery once a week. Is it capable of running a week on one car battery? At this point we have to look at close enough systems also. Might have enough power to run a small motorcycle? I wonder if custom port timing on a 2 stroke engine would help. It would take some major experimenting but it might help. The Japanese were experts at this and perfected it for gasoline in the 350 Yamaha engine. The conversion of a gasoline engine because they exist has not been giving positive results. You have to face it that Gasoline engines aren't very efficient even when they are burning gasoline.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #316 on: December 08, 2010, 12:42:33 PM »

New Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSe943wkUfg

Great Video Valentin !

Now this proves, that HHO alone can run in a self closed loop system.

Now, if you can still power the few Watts for your ignition coil also from
the output of the generator that would be the final proof, that the system
works on its own energy just using water.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #317 on: December 08, 2010, 01:02:36 PM »
Hi
it has not been independently verified ..an exhaust gas analysis is needed. I do wish them well but was there any hydrocarbons in the water?
Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #317 on: December 08, 2010, 01:02:36 PM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #318 on: December 26, 2010, 11:26:42 AM »
You will be able to detect hydrocarbons in the exhaust as the engine requires 4 stroke crankcase oil. Tiny amounts will be traceable as it lubes the engine. BUT this is NOT the source of the energy.

HHO recombination undergoes transformations due to valance electron binding regardless of the chemical reactions taking place it IS for all intents an Electron mitigating process and ambient energy is added to the recomposition back to water. This aspect is almost ALWAYS left out of Faraday equations where typical net energy gain for HHO often has a COP>3! While pulsed resonance electrolysis will increase the nett energy gain further still its NOT required to do so to realize OU. In fact conventional electrolysis can and does already yield excess energy with ICE and actually causes the ICE to run much colder than with gasoline mix or pure browns gas. To copy what i wrote elsewhere about this..

This is why in the looper for argument set some numbers and say they need 1kw
to break the water to HHO. This yields potential energy of of least 3kw upon
recombination. 1kW will be used to run the engine although a lot will go as heat
and can be recovered.

2kw will used to run generator which is also only 75% efficient but it will generate 1500 watts nett and recover the 1kw required to run the cell. Some 500 watts OU are left in the
system. Its enough to run a 500 watt flood lamp. Despite ALL the losses there is
enough OU to make it work.

This is why even when using tiny amounts in a car engine it has a great effect
on the fuel economy. Its not just about making a clean burn it adds energy at
the point of recombination to water far beyond that of conventional electrolysis
took to break it apart. If you add typical 3kw of real RE energy to a car engine
AND increase performance through a better burn of carbon products raising
efficiency from 23% to 29% it could easy result in an extra 5kw - 10kw of extra
power on the wheels which is about 10% of typical 100Kw car. Its enough to turn
on a tiny HHO cell and feel the extra KICK on the engine or increase mileage by
30-50% at steady 50-60MPH To fully realize these gains requires the map chip or oxygen sensors "lifting" to prevent excess fuel usage.

Youtube probably has some hundreds if not thousands of testimonies to this fact. After all anyone with some sense can see something special is happening far beyond the 500 watts of DC going into the cells. With fuel cost rising again at alarming rates semi truck drives with HHO twin stacks are getting from 6 - 8 mpg increased to 10 - 14 MPG. This represents a fuel saving of some $25,000 per year.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #319 on: February 15, 2011, 07:30:39 PM »
Wow. I was just pointed to these boards to look at some cool engines, but if these videos are for real, I might actually dare to hope about hydrogen power in my lifetime!

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #320 on: February 16, 2011, 10:11:13 PM »
I remember that Russians had one Tu154H (H stood for hydrogen engines). It was in Cold Was Era. Officialy it was to study new ecological engines. But formerly it was for more peaceful purposes intended.;-)

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #321 on: April 11, 2011, 04:51:00 PM »
Hello

Anything new about Anton Cells devices?

How can I be of assistance in order to monitor the exhaust in a scientific environment? I am PhD, I have access to technology and also the scientific article I am currently working on is about HHO.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #321 on: April 11, 2011, 04:51:00 PM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #322 on: April 13, 2011, 09:30:18 AM »
Hi Skaarg
i think this one will no progress much further without co-opperation of the builders to have exhaust gasses analysed and all other liquids.
However email me prvately and I can share with you many years of research into HHO use in combustion engines including gas analysis...
Kind regards
Karm

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #323 on: October 14, 2011, 01:11:10 PM »
You will be able to detect hydrocarbons in the exhaust as the engine requires 4 stroke crankcase oil. Tiny amounts will be traceable as it lubes the engine. BUT this is NOT the source of the energy.

HHO recombination undergoes transformations due to valance electron binding regardless of the chemical reactions taking place it IS for all intents an Electron mitigating process and ambient energy is added to the recomposition back to water. This aspect is almost ALWAYS left out of Faraday equations where typical net energy gain for HHO often has a COP>3! While pulsed resonance electrolysis will increase the nett energy gain further still its NOT required to do so to realize OU. In fact conventional electrolysis can and does already yield excess energy with ICE and actually causes the ICE to run much colder than with gasoline mix or pure browns gas. To copy what i wrote elsewhere about this..

This is why in the looper for argument set some numbers and say they need 1kw
to break the water to HHO. This yields potential energy of of least 3kw upon
recombination. 1kW will be used to run the engine although a lot will go as heat
and can be recovered.

2kw will used to run generator which is also only 75% efficient but it will generate 1500 watts nett and recover the 1kw required to run the cell. Some 500 watts OU are left in the
system. Its enough to run a 500 watt flood lamp. Despite ALL the losses there is
enough OU to make it work.

This is why even when using tiny amounts in a car engine it has a great effect
on the fuel economy. Its not just about making a clean burn it adds energy at
the point of recombination to water far beyond that of conventional electrolysis
took to break it apart. If you add typical 3kw of real RE energy to a car engine
AND increase performance through a better burn of carbon products raising
efficiency from 23% to 29% it could easy result in an extra 5kw - 10kw of extra
power on the wheels which is about 10% of typical 100Kw car. Its enough to turn
on a tiny HHO cell and feel the extra KICK on the engine or increase mileage by
30-50% at steady 50-60MPH To fully realize these gains requires the map chip or oxygen sensors "lifting" to prevent excess fuel usage.

Youtube probably has some hundreds if not thousands of testimonies to this fact. After all anyone with some sense can see something special is happening far beyond the 500 watts of DC going into the cells. With fuel cost rising again at alarming rates semi truck drives with HHO twin stacks are getting from 6 - 8 mpg increased to 10 - 14 MPG. This represents a fuel saving of some $25,000 per year.

Small amout of HHO in car engine : does it require timing change for petrol (gasoline, NOT diesel ) car ?
WE know that HHO explodes much more faster than gas mixture, but what about gas mixture + very small amout of hho,? will speed of detonantion be faster , and is timing spark change required?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #323 on: October 14, 2011, 01:11:10 PM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #324 on: October 14, 2011, 01:56:46 PM »
     About the anton cells: I repeated the experiment. 380 volts, 16 amps, 100 plates, 400mm x 200mm x 3mm (yes, I must go to the asylum for insane people). Two scientific papers are to be published about this experiment. Micro-controller-based spark timing system, hardware neural network for monitoring the vibrations in the engine, auto-adaptive system for timing the spark based on the analyses of the incomming gases (analyses with solid state gas sensors from Figaro Inc.). 8 months of work. I also wrote to the authors for several times during February and June, this year. No reply yet. Experiment failed. Reason: a small amount of Ethilic Alcohol is needed in the final bubbler. Do not believe the videos. Together with HHO there's also something else that gets into the engine. And it's highly flammable.

      If there is no computer controlling the engine, then no spark timing modifications are required in this case.
I am working with an old Romanian car called Dacia 1300 made at the end of 1970, a clone of the french Renault Gordini - see the Wikipedia. A small ammount - at least 10% - of vaporised gasoline (no diesel, benzen) in the HHO gas (yes, this is what I said - a little gasoline mixed with a lot of HHO) sets the right timing. As soon as the gasoline mixture is gone, the engine will go crazy and you will get the return spark in the HHO injection pipe. Done that. At the end of the experiment (no more gasoline in HHO, then explosion) I had the same experience as Stan and Olive in their movies - a lot of oil on my face and in my hair after a big boom. All the chickens in the neighbors yards went crazy. The dogs in half of my village started a barking concert. I had to replace all the admision and exhaust valves, then to manually adjust their distances. Last measurements of the anton cells said around 90 liters of HHO per minute. Don't ask about the voltage and amps, they were huge.

So the answer to your question is no. In your case there is no need for spark timing modifications.


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #325 on: October 15, 2011, 09:28:51 AM »
    Last measurements of the anton cells said around 90 liters of HHO per minute. Don't ask about the voltage and amps, they were huge.


LOL

come back to earth :D wtih anton cell 90 LPM LOL

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #326 on: October 18, 2011, 07:26:38 AM »
In theory a car can average a high speed, but in practise speed often falls below 10mph in cities. The problem is congestion - motorcycles get around this to some extent, but they're still confined to the road network. An electric bike can maintain a higher average speed than a bicycle, yet take advantage of the same network of cycle facilities, giving access to routes that cars and motorcycles cannot reach. The result is often a faster door-to-door journey time than any other mode. And by nipping along the relatively uncongested cycle network, but eliminating hills and headwinds, electric bikes are often the most consistent mode of travel.
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #328 on: June 20, 2014, 05:24:13 PM »
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Plenty of videos which say little, no mention on Rexresearch, skating mention in Patrick's MorayKing.pdf

but not enough to replicate with.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #329 on: August 11, 2018, 09:56:12 PM »
This Anton cell initiative fizzled out?

 

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