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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 284963 times)

Offline sushimoto

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2010, 02:19:46 PM »
Oh no. No Overunity please.
... was my first thought

All effords should go to the account of "Effisciency" and not to Hypes.
Otherwise, we will forever recognized as some "wierd hillbillies" only.

What is the best efficency, the industry has to offer?
We just have to be better than that in order to be taken serious.

Best wishes,
Oliver

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2010, 02:19:46 PM »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2010, 03:49:50 PM »
Hi Valentin,

As I said, I strongly recommend that you don't waste time and money on expensive tests before you study the Anton cell thoroughly with the available apparatus. The video you showed indicates you can measure the volume of the evolved gas. You can also measure the coulombs that have passed to produce that amount. Comparing the two experimental quantities will reveal whether or not the amount of product is more than expected. If it isn't then the only other possible way to get an OU effect by burning the produced gas is if it really has greater caloric value than expected. This is also easily tested, rigorously at that, by calorimetry rather than by burning it in expensive and inefficient motors.

Like I said, I'd be willing to look into it but, unfortunately, the price of an Anton cell is too high for me to invest for the purposes of exploring it.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2010, 03:51:09 PM »
Hi Mr. Allan,

thank you very much for creating the site on peswiki.com.

I am sorry to say that there are some mistakes and some older pictures (for example the HHO gas injection).

So please let me know how to change the content of the page. 

Thanks!

Valentin

Hi Valentin

It's relatively simple to edit the pages at PESWiki.  Just click on the "login" link at the top, right of any page to join in.

~50% of what I know today (six years later)  I learned in the first two hours of poking around in the markup code at Wikipedia.com  I just had one screen open with the code, and another screen open with the public view, and it was easy to see what code did what. 

Here are just a few codes that we use all the time:
'''bold''' or <b>bold</b>
''italics'' or <i>italics</i>
== Headings ==
*bullets
: indent
[url External Hyperlinks]
[[url|Internal Hyperlinks]] (within peswiki)
[[Image:filename.jpg]]
<br>
<youtube>ID</youtube>

To upload a new image, just click on the "upload file" link near the bottom of the left hand navigation column.

To edit, just click on the "edit" link to the right of the heading of the section you want to change.  If you want to change more than one section, it's usually easier to just click the "edit" tab at the top of the page, which opens the entire page for editing.

After you've made the changes you want, click on "preview" at the bottom of the edit box to see how the page appears with your changes, make any additional changes if needed, then click on "save".

 Tip: don't start a line of text with a space or it will create a little table with no auto scroll of the text.

To create a new page, either create a new internal hyperlink then click on it; or just enter the new name into the browser address bar following the /index.php/.  Everything up to that point is the same in every url (note that "/index.php/" can be replaced with "/energy/").

For project urls, we recommend the same name beginning, e.g. [[OS:Anton HHO:New Page Name]]

If you're wondering what the things are inside the {{double curly brackets}}, those are templates which pull from the content of a template page.  You change the template page, and the content is automatically updated wherever that template is used.  I use this function for our news bullets so that if there is a correction to the bullet, I only have to change it once, not every place where it occurs.

Don't worry about messing up a page.  Every page has a "history" tab that can be used to revert to previous editions.  And if two people happen to be working on the same page at the same time and post conflicting edits, you will be shown the difference so you can then reapply your changes without losing them.  Still, it's not a bad idea to copy the page contents before saving down.

All changes made to the site are chronicled on the "Recent Changes" page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges (you will find a link to this near the top of the left navigation column)

It is possible to protect pages so that only sysops or bureaucrats can modify them.  I do this with some of the key pages and templates such as footers.  All it takes to become a sysop is to demonstrate that you know what you're doing, and that you are a trusted friend of the field, and to ask for the privilege.

As you run into questions about how to do things that are not mentioned in this brief overview, our help page can be of assistance:
http://peswiki.com/energy/Help:Contents

And of course, in your case, given the key role you are playing here, I'd be more than glad to answer your questions directly.  My contact info can be found easily at any of our sites.  See http://SterlingDAllan.com

If you want to build a new feature page, here's how to do it:
http://peswiki.com/energy/Help:How_to_Build_a_Profile_Page_for_a_Company_or_Technology

Feel free to participate in making corrections on the site, adding new info, posting comments on the "discussion" page connected to each page, or even building new pages.  It's really quite easy.  I'd love for you to feel like you're part of the development of this great breakthrough energy community resource.  Who knows, as you build out your own profile page, that may end up being the first thing that comes up in Google when people search your name.

Welcome to PESWiki editorship.  It's as simple as that.

Thanks for your interest in helping us make PESWiki: "The Wikipedia of Breakthrough Clean Energy".

And thanks for giving me a reason to finally create this simple set of instructions, which I've posted at http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Help:EZ_Start

-- Sterling

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2010, 03:51:09 PM »
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Offline sterlinga

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #108 on: April 27, 2010, 04:03:03 PM »
Oh no. No Overunity please.
... was my first thought

All effords should go to the account of "Effisciency" and not to Hypes.
Otherwise, we will forever recognized as some "wierd hillbillies" only.

What is the best efficency, the industry has to offer?
We just have to be better than that in order to be taken serious.

Best wishes,
Oliver

Hi Oliver,

Don't worry about the phrase "overunity."  It just means that more energy is coming out than what was put in by the operator -- meaning that free environmental energy has been harnessed in the process.  It's not voodoo.  It's new science in the making.  It's a process of discovering a new source of reliable energy for the planet.

There are several theories about how this might be happening in the case of HHO or Brown's gas.

For starters, take a look at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydroxy_or_HHO_Injection_Systems#Theory

Keep up the great work.

Sterling

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2010, 04:12:41 PM »
Hi Oliver,

Don't worry about the phrase "overunity."  It just means that more energy is coming out than what was put in by the operator -- meaning that free environmental energy has been harnessed in the process.  It's not voodoo.  It's new science in the making.  It's a process of discovering a new source of reliable energy for the planet.

There are several theories about how this might be happening in the case of HHO or Brown's gas.

For starters, take a look at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydroxy_or_HHO_Injection_Systems#Theory

Keep up the great work.

Sterling

There's no evidence yet to claim that and it's misleading to set up internet pages giving the appearance that it has already been proven let alone create theories to "explain" it.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2010, 04:12:41 PM »
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Offline haithar

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #110 on: April 27, 2010, 04:36:15 PM »
There's no evidence yet to claim that and it's misleading to set up internet pages giving the appearance that it has already been proven let alone create theories to "explain" it.
i thought the same and commented the examiner article.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2010, 04:51:50 PM »
This looks interesting.

A couple of questions:
How much water is needed per kw worth of HHO?

Is it shure it is selfrunning, and not running of the HHO produced by the grid at start?

It is said to consume 900 Watt and output is 1000 Watt.
The motor is very poor.
The generator is poor.
The adjustment of HHO into the motor is poor.

There is possible of much improvement.

One suggestion is to use a industrial sterlingengine. Since it is gas that is produced, the combustionchamber does not need to be so big. The chamber also could contain lava-stones to have a buffer of heat. Then the only thing needed is an electronic controller to regulate voltage to the Anton-cell and a temperature sensor in the combustionchamber. Maybe even a ignitor in the combustionchamber for automatic on/off.

The sterlingengine is easier to control. It only needs heat. And it is said that the sterlingengine has a higher efficiency than a petrol/diesel engine.


MR2

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Offline haithar

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #112 on: April 27, 2010, 05:34:23 PM »
This looks interesting.
It is said to consume 900 Watt and output is 1000 Watt.
The motor is very poor.
The generator is poor.
The adjustment of HHO into the motor is poor.

There is possible of much improvement.
Why is everyone overlooking the part that it was only 40 seconds and the energy stored in the system in that time may very well have been enough to run it for this time. They said they needed pressure in the cell because of the bubbler, there was very likely to be hydrogen for the motor even if the power to the anton cell was lower than before.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #113 on: April 27, 2010, 06:26:34 PM »
No, I'm not overlooking the fact that it only runs in 40 seconds.

It is obviously energy stored at the start. It would not start if there wasn't.
That's the reason for my question: "Is it sure it is selfrunning, and not running of the HHO produced by the grid at start?"

That's also the reason to my suggestion that they should use a motor that is more easy to control. And then have a motor running for longer time.


MR2

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #113 on: April 27, 2010, 06:26:34 PM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #114 on: April 27, 2010, 06:47:52 PM »
No, I'm not overlooking the fact that it only runs in 40 seconds.

It is obviously energy stored at the start. It would not start if there wasn't.
That's the reason for my question: "Is it sure it is selfrunning, and not running of the HHO produced by the grid at start?"

That's also the reason to my suggestion that they should use a motor that is more easy to control. And then have a motor running for longer time.


MR2

Better yet, like I said, is to study the current efficiency and the caloric value of the evolved gases prior to using to run motors.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #115 on: April 27, 2010, 07:25:08 PM »
No, I'm not overlooking the fact that it only runs in 40 seconds.

It is obviously energy stored at the start. It would not start if there wasn't.
That's the reason for my question: "Is it sure it is selfrunning, and not running of the HHO produced by the grid at start?"

That's also the reason to my suggestion that they should use a motor that is more easy to control. And then have a motor running for longer time.


MR2
I cannot see the engineering problems here. To control the motor you must control the current through the electrolysis. Circuits to control this is to be found easily. The circuit are sniffing on the AC generators voltage and controls the current flow through the electrolysis on that basis. How hard can it be?

Based on other claims, there is allways an explanation to why a motor doesn't work as desired. Many inventors tries to explain away the facts that prevents the motor to be a selfrunner. Adjustments are needed, wrong set of magnets, inproper ignition timing, lack of money (Please donate), etc. etc.

The same lesson every time a guy claims OU or something similar - with just a few minor adjustments. Then people are starting to ask questions. The inventor cannot reply, or provide bogus answers. Then the guy dissappear. Some inventors fools "stupid" investors, get ther money and disappear - or get cought by the police...

I'm just sceptic :)

Vidar

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #116 on: April 27, 2010, 07:39:55 PM »
Well they didn't claim anything, they only made a video for the public and i thank them for that!
The issue i have is the broad coverage with assumptions which may not be true (selfrunning, self-looped, ..), if the admins on this site and peswiki would choose their news more carefully there wouldn't be such a hype every time before something gets debunked.
on the other hand nothing would be left to post in the news.  :-X

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #117 on: April 27, 2010, 08:24:01 PM »
No, I'm not overlooking the fact that it only runs in 40 seconds.

It is obviously energy stored at the start. It would not start if there wasn't.
That's the reason for my question: "Is it sure it is selfrunning, and not running of the HHO produced by the grid at start?"

That's also the reason to my suggestion that they should use a motor that is more easy to control. And then have a motor running for longer time.


MR2

Can´t just be the stored grid energy.
As Oliver switches off the power supply, you can see,
that the motor goes off after about 4 to 5 seconds.
So this is the maximum amount of storage.

So 35 seconds we have already seeing it run freely on just water alone.

Oliver and Valentin,
before you do something else,
please leave it as it is now and
just make a new video showing it run longer on its own
power.

Just don´t change anything yet !

Most inventors just change something and then don´t get it to work
again !

Better just leave it this way now and make first more
videos and better work on a replication model
with a new motor-generator set and try
to improve there and keep the current running model as it is,
so you can show it to others again.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #118 on: April 27, 2010, 09:15:44 PM »
Can´t just be the stored grid energy.
As Oliver switches off the power supply, you can see,
that the motor goes off after about 4 to 5 seconds.
So this is the maximum amount of storage.

So 35 seconds we have already seeing it run freely on just water alone.

Oliver and Valentin,
before you do something else,
please leave it as it is now and
just make a new video showing it run longer on its own
power.

Just don´t change anything yet !

Most inventors just change something and then don´t get it to work
again !


Better just leave it this way now and make first more
videos and better work on a replication model
with a new motor-generator set and try
to improve there and keep the current running model as it is,
so you can show it to others again.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Exactly!!

Please Don´t change anything yet!

Please first try to find a Gas Regulator Valve so you can feed the HHO at a steady rate into the engine say at 2 to 5 psi pressure.  So then you can just turn the valve open more for more gas or turn the valve down for less gas input depending on the electrical generator loads.

What you have is something very special.    :)

Keep up the good work!!

We all look forward to seeing more of your tests!

Best regards, Mike R.


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2010, 09:19:01 PM »
Can´t just be the stored grid energy.
As Oliver switches off the power supply, you can see,
that the motor goes off after about 4 to 5 seconds.
So this is the maximum amount of storage.

So 35 seconds we have already seeing it run freely on just water alone.

Oliver and Valentin,
before you do something else,
please leave it as it is now and
just make a new video showing it run longer on its own
power.

Just don´t change anything yet !

Most inventors just change something and then don´t get it to work
again !

Better just leave it this way now and make first more
videos and better work on a replication model
with a new motor-generator set and try
to improve there and keep the current running model as it is,
so you can show it to others again.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Can't agree more. Leave it as is and try to show it running longer. In the meantime, instead of spending more money, just study the produced gases, as I explained earlier. This will save you time and money.

 

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