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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 278651 times)

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2010, 07:07:28 AM »
Here are a few more pics of the Anton cell kit.

You can buy these kits with different amount of plates.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2010, 07:07:28 AM »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2010, 07:15:22 AM »
Hi Stefan,

They mentioned the exhaust gas is recirculated back into the intake on the Google translator?  If so I did not see it their videos.  Is this correct?

Best regards, Mike R.

Sorry, I don´t know yet,
I have also only seen the video until now and only
called Oliver for a few minutes, but we did not talk about this.

They have probably done many different experiments,
but I guess in the videos they don´t feed the hot output water vapour gases
back...It just heats their office for free ! :)

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2010, 07:17:27 AM »
Maybe I should have posted this video already earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSknOBL2It4

Don´t be too excited and wonder why you also see the C64 computer there.
(called the old Breadboard box !)
It is only there, cause it also created a revolution, the COMPUTER REVOLUTION,
when we were young !  ;D ;D ;D

BTW, I like how the dog looks at Anton at the end :) LoL  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2010, 07:17:27 AM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2010, 07:21:22 AM »
Here is another Anton cell building video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IBL_gfmj04

Hope this helps make it clearer...
I have already seen it some month ago...
so I did not think to post it earlier...sorry..

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2010, 07:24:51 AM »
Well, the language barrier is a terrible factor. And it's a shame that I've studied German for so long back in my childhood, have been so many times in Germany and know practically nothing. Now, at such moments one feels what loss that is. Translators are confusing and I try to avoid them. So, we'll have to see how to communicate. I'm very interested in this question, as you can tell from my activity here.

As for Anton cells, I've never heard of such cells before. Are they an invention of these researchers? Is there a schematic to see what the exact construction of these cells is. The power supply is also not trivial. Is this a commercial device or they have built it themselves? The generator -- what will a more expensive generator bring about more from what the one that s being used provides? I guess the valves and the way the gas mixture is prepared is also of substantial importance.

I don't know why they feel uneasy, if I'm reading them correctly, that this is just what they call it a "proof of concept". A carefully done laboratory experiment is just fine. If they can readily reproduce the self-sustaining state of the device even at that level of their budget that would be a seminal achievement. I don't know what their intentions are but reaching such level is the goal for many researchers, leaving the development to other better equipped entities. See what Steorn are doing for instance or BlackLight technologies -- they always claim they are not producers and all they want is to license the technology to parties that have the means to do that. That's if you're commercially minded. Otherwise, the scientific fact is an end in itself and most researchers, like I said (me included), are happy with that outcome and nothing more.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2010, 07:28:22 AM »
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You can buy these kits with different amount of plates.

Where can you buy them from? Do you have a link?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2010, 07:31:18 AM »
As I already posted at:

www.anton-shop.com

but their sales form is not working right in
this moment and it probably also has the wrong price,
so I will ask Oliver when it will be fixed...
and post it again then here.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2010, 07:32:30 AM »
Sorry, I don´t know yet,
I have also only seen the video until now and only
called Oliver for a few minutes, but we did not talk about this.

They have probably done many different experiments,
but I guess in the videos they don´t feed the hot output water vapour gases
back...It just heats their office for free ! :)

Thats great, make electricity and warm your house at the same time!! ;)

- What kind of spark plug are they using?
- Using extra high voltage ignition, over 60kv? 
- Are they making a "plasma spark" or just a normal spark?

Best regards, Mike R.




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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2010, 07:34:21 AM »
Stefan,

Thanks a lot for these videos. That's exactly what we should have started with. Now, who peoduces these cells, where can you buy them from?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2010, 07:38:27 AM »
As I already posted at:

www.anton-shop.com

but their sales form is not working right in
this moment and it probably also has the wrong price,
so I will ask Oliver when it will be fixed...
and post it again then here.

Thanks for the link. So, you'll post the updated info here in this thread. I'll follow it with interest.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2010, 07:45:19 AM »
Thats great, make electricity and warm your house at the same time!! ;)

- What kind of spark plug are they using?
- Using extra high voltage ignition, over 60kv? 
- Are they making a "plasma spark" or just a normal spark?

Best regards, Mike R.

I guess just a normal sparkplug of this bought chinese
motor-generator.
They just redesigned the ignition timing to supress the waste spark
and control the fire angle with this setup.
I think that they are using a normal car ignition coil there.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2010, 07:52:32 AM »
Very nicely built, indeed. I couldn't understand, however, what the current efficiency is when shown in that video where they're measuring the volume of the gas. He was explaining something but because it was in German couldn't understand it. Was there anything special about the collected gas compared to the coulombs the have passed for the duration of the test?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2010, 07:57:52 AM »
This was an earlier test with just a smaller Anton cell,
(less plates).

The current setup with the selfrunning video uses 3 Anton cells in parallel with more plates
and better efficiency.

I don´t know yet, what the electrolyte concentration was, but they will
probably soon reveal this and more parameters...
These were just the last tests they have done yeasterday and just posted them
in a video.
Now they have to measure it all in detail themself....

Documentation is always the hardest and annoying part of it all ! ;) ;D

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #88 on: April 26, 2010, 08:23:33 AM »
I guess just a normal sparkplug of this bought chinese
motor-generator.
They just redesigned the ignition timing to supress the waste spark
and control the fire angle with this setup.
I think that they are using a normal car ignition coil there.

Regards, Stefan.

Thank you Stefan.  This is another area of research they can try out in the future.

Aquapulser's RPG 4700
http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/

Aquapulser videos showing the plasma spark and dyno testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0

The idea is that a plasma completely ignites the gases HHO + N2 + O2 + HV plasma => H1 + N20 + NH3 + 03 + Combustion => N2 + H2O + O2

If they are smelling ammonia then it sounds like they do not have a complete combustion. It also means that they could get MORE power out if they did have a more complete combustion.  ;)

If they had the funds, it would be great to take this working unit AS IS (do not change anything) to the local university to have the exhaust gas analyzed. Then compare the spark ignition to a higher voltage coil, and to the Aquapulser ignition.  To see if there is any increase in power output for the same gases input.

Best regards, Mike R.   

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #89 on: April 26, 2010, 09:36:53 AM »
Thank you Stefan.  This is another area of research they can try out in the future.

Aquapulser's RPG 4700
http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/

Aquapulser videos showing the plasma spark and dyno testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0

The idea is that a plasma completely ignites the gases HHO + N2 + O2 + HV plasma => H1 + N20 + NH3 + 03 + Combustion => N2 + H2O + O2

If they are smelling ammonia then it sounds like they do not have a complete combustion. It also means that they could get MORE power out if they did have a more complete combustion.  ;)

If they had the funds, it would be great to take this working unit AS IS (do not change anything) to the local university to have the exhaust gas analyzed. Then compare the spark ignition to a higher voltage coil, and to the Aquapulser ignition.  To see if there is any increase in power output for the same gases input.

Best regards, Mike R.   

Here are some high performance spark plugs:

BRISK PREMIUM LGS SPARK PLUG
http://www.briskusa.com/products.htm#premium

Brisk Premium LGS spark plug has been developed after two-year cooperation with Lamborghini Morori Marini. This spark plug utilizes extremely long glide-spark and massive integrated side electrode. Massive integrated side electrode ensures superior heat removal from active part of the spark plug even in the most extreme conditions, therefore eliminating electrode burn off seen on conventional spark plugs in race applications. Extremely long glide spark (almost 3mm) protrudes deep into combustion chamber, carries more potential charge and is unshielded by the conventional side ground electrode. The air and fuel mixture is ignited more spontaneously and flame front spread is unrestricted and more uniform.

The idea is the complete combustion of the gases with HV ignition and special spark plugs.

Regards, Mike R.

 

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