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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 290262 times)

Offline vrand

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #270 on: May 19, 2010, 01:23:36 AM »
[author=markdansie link=topic=9099.msg241760#msg241760 date=1274221879]
@Mike R
you talk with som authority and some of yur ideas are interesting.
When you quote Bob Boyce..I am wondering if you ever met him/ I have and he was kind enough to let me stay for a night. He is a wonderful man.
I wonder why you suggest that the Anton cell is OU when other constructed exactly the same are not? How can you come to this conclusion. They have a good cell based on sommething that bob designed many years ago.
Mark
[/quote]

Yes, I had the privilege to meet my dear friend and colleague Bob Boyce, known him for many years, and helped fund his hydroxy research.  He is a wonderful brilliant man and a genius when it comes to hydroxy research.

Regards, Mike R.



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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #270 on: May 19, 2010, 01:23:36 AM »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #271 on: May 19, 2010, 01:28:47 AM »

Has anyone ever considered operating 3 of these cells under pressure in an alternating fashion...with the pressurized restricted flow being driven into the engine ?

It seems to me that would greatly reduce consumption power in...however, I could be wrong - to quote another member who shall remain namelesss.

Regards...


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #272 on: May 19, 2010, 02:01:08 AM »
Thanks Mike,
I agree with your comments on Bob, he is one of the smartest and most decent people I met. I did witness why I was there a unit that was doing better than Faradays. he was of great help with the work I was doing at the time.
I do not think the cell that is being discussed here is much different than other I have built and seen but  am interested in wha they have done with the genset with the controls and direct injection. I was never able to get an engin to self run as the power to make the gas always exceeded the power was needed to run the engine generator. If they have found a way of utilising the gas so the genset can take full advantage of the gas then there might be something there.
It would be usefull if they coul demonstrate it running for a few minuts and with the batteries disconected.
Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #273 on: May 19, 2010, 03:04:24 AM »
Thanks Mike,
I agree with your comments on Bob, he is one of the smartest and most decent people I met. I did witness why I was there a unit that was doing better than Faradays. he was of great help with the work I was doing at the time.
I do not think the cell that is being discussed here is much different than other I have built and seen but  am interested in wha they have done with the genset with the controls and direct injection. I was never able to get an engin to self run as the power to make the gas always exceeded the power was needed to run the engine generator. If they have found a way of utilising the gas so the genset can take full advantage of the gas then there might be something there.
It would be usefull if they coul demonstrate it running for a few minuts and with the batteries disconected.
Mark

Thanks Mark,
Yes, over on the German OU site there is a lot more activity on the Anton Cell.  Since the Anton Cell is made in Germany it is cheap to ship locally and the costs are low.  Also there is a discount if you mention you are a OU member, thanks guys  ;D

Some researchers are already getting the parts to replicate the 1000 watts genset experiment. 

Check out one Anton cell replicator, Sente's thread, by using Google language tools. The translation is good both ways at 80-95% conversion.
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=627.0

The costs to ship a completed to USA is prohibitive, but you can order the gaskets and all parts besides the stainless steel plates. Then all you would need is to make the plates locally.

Best regards, Mike R.
   

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #274 on: May 19, 2010, 12:50:22 PM »
Hi,
maybe its not clear outside of the german ou community.
The ANTON-project was born withe the idea, that a group of researchers
doing research on a common, comparable hardware basis.
Since there were no experimental-cell available,
they created their own cell based on previous practical experiences.

For the outside, its not clear on the first sight,
that the anton-shop.com -site was just an approach
to simplify the distribution within the group.
The "nrg-company GmbH" was founded in the meaning of the name;
Building a company in order to have a legal firm for all activities
and to make the hobby the profession.

unfortunately, my english is nood good enough to describe the whole story.
But after a year of work on this project, its due to consolidate and describe
it in some article.

best,
sushi

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #275 on: May 19, 2010, 04:32:38 PM »
Hi,
maybe its not clear outside of the german ou community.
The ANTON-project was born withe the idea, that a group of researchers
doing research on a common, comparable hardware basis.
Since there were no experimental-cell available,
they created their own cell based on previous practical experiences.

For the outside, its not clear on the first sight,
that the anton-shop.com -site was just an approach
to simplify the distribution within the group.
The "nrg-company GmbH" was founded in the meaning of the name;
Building a company in order to have a legal firm for all activities
and to make the hobby the profession.

unfortunately, my english is nood good enough to describe the whole story.
But after a year of work on this project, its due to consolidate and describe
it in some article.

best,
sushi

Hi Sushi,

Do you plan on publishing the complete Anton Cell design, like Bob Boyce did with his designs?

To let researchers worldwide build their own Anton cells?

Shipping from Germany is very expensive. Maybe you can sell the gasket spacers to researchers worldwide?

Maybe publish the Anton cell design in Patrick Kelly's "A Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices."  Part 9 has the electrolysers designs.

http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

Keep up the good work!   :)

Regards, Mike R.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #276 on: May 21, 2010, 08:39:09 PM »
has anyone reproduced this? and can we use this in our everyday siuationes? in the car or making heat or make eletricity?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #277 on: May 22, 2010, 06:39:43 AM »
@Mike
I had a look at the German site.....thanks for the link.
It is what we call a dry cell or Terro cell. I have built many so have my friends. The efficency they have achieved is about as good as you can get out of one of these ceels. They will need to scrub the gas to remove and recover the KOH out.
These cells are not efficient enough to self run a gasoline engige. I could do allthe maths but lets just say you want to be at least below .5watts per litre not their current achievemnet of 2.5 watts per litre. Faradays (which is the wrong way to describe it but a term that has been adopted by many researchers) is around 2.4 watts. I have seen a Boyce one ge beter than 1.4 watts.
Then their is the argument the gas has special properties which enable more bang for the bucks. Given some of the theories on fractional hydrogen there could be something there. However, everyone I have known of or visited never could get an engine to self run on HHO (they actually run fine with it) without an external energy source (battery or power supply). In some cases they accumilated the gas then ran the engine (Terro video's)
Hope this helps......Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #278 on: May 22, 2010, 07:24:56 AM »
hi

@ kallstrom_74

is this perhaps a idea for heating ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrEntelecheia#p/u/14/v8QCly5zZ0g

cutting  system  works fein an jears experience but nobody build a heating system . 

http://hhogastechnology.weebly.com/epoch-products.html
http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/main_eng.htm


mfg


sente


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #279 on: May 26, 2010, 10:57:13 PM »
Has there been any more news on this anton cell? has anyone got one to try it out..or can we perhaps build one ourselfs somehow?

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« Reply #280 on: May 27, 2010, 12:02:09 AM »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #281 on: May 31, 2010, 07:44:26 AM »
New paper published using a laboratory gas spectrometer analysis on Brown’s Gas.

Scientific model published for Brown's gas

http://pesn.com/2010/05/28/9501658-Plasma_Orbital_Expansion-of-the-Electrons_in_Water/

Christopher Eckman has been turning heads for a couple of years now in the free energy community with his academic studies and tests on Brown's gas at the University of Idaho.  He proposes a model in which the H2O molecule in Brown's gas actually becomes linear and electrical in nature.  In the linear form, it loses its dipole and thus can exist in gaseous form which Eckman dubs "electric steam".  The dipole is the primary means by which water adheres to things, including itself in liquid form.  When the 'electric steam' is ignited and strikes the substrate, it is the electrical energy that is released and is responsible for the heat transference to the substrate, not the temperature of the actual flame that does the work.  Liquid water can be seen dripping off of metal substrate.

Regards, Mike R.

ps maybe someone can send Eckman an Anton cell to analyze its HHO gas  ;)
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 09:09:20 AM by vrand »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #282 on: June 07, 2010, 01:29:35 PM »
Have a look at these 2 new videos
from the German Anton HHO cell team !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaiyjV8OpC4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJOAqPYmkk

Is this the future of energy production ?

A, Stefan.

Hi, this is going to make me very popular, ja ? You guys are giving the "clean energy" field a very bad name with all these spectacular announcements about miraculous breakthroughs with hydrogen, magnets, "zero point energy" (WTF is that ?) . You have to get it into your heads that there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe, so you can't "create" energy, you can harness it. Or "harvest" it. At the moment what you're doing is encouraging poor people to lash out all their pocket money on neo mags.

Take this new announcement (this topic) as an example : all you need to do is get the guys to give you the data (you claim it's open source) and replicate it. If you can't replicate it, there is a problem. Discussing the possibilities is just loose talk. Get a team together with all the measuring stuff, go for it.

Unless you can convert endless talk as hot air into usable energy via a carnot engine ?



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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #283 on: June 07, 2010, 02:16:45 PM »
Hi, this is going to make me very popular, ja ? You guys are giving the "clean energy" field a very bad name with all these spectacular announcements about miraculous breakthroughs with hydrogen, magnets, "zero point energy" (WTF is that ?) . You have to get it into your heads that there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe, so you can't "create" energy, you can harness it. Or "harvest" it. At the moment what you're doing is encouraging poor people to lash out all their pocket money on neo mags.

Take this new announcement (this topic) as an example : all you need to do is get the guys to give you the data (you claim it's open source) and replicate it. If you can't replicate it, there is a problem. Discussing the possibilities is just loose talk. Get a team together with all the measuring stuff, go for it.

Unless you can convert endless talk as hot air into usable energy via a carnot engine ?

...Another bunch of words.

Hope anybody can make use of the warm air coming out of your mouth.
Oh no.
Stop.
Virtual Cowboys in front of the computer are just breathing to their monitor..
;D

Why dont you "Get a team together with all the measuring stuff and go for it."?


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #284 on: June 07, 2010, 10:15:54 PM »
...Another bunch of words.

Hope anybody can make use of the warm air coming out of your mouth.
Oh no.
Stop.
Virtual Cowboys in front of the computer are just breathing to their monitor..
;D

Why dont you "Get a team together with all the measuring stuff and go for it."?

Because Sushimoto, I work on grav and effects of motion devices, and don't need a team of experts. Either it works, or it don't. Come on, seriously, you guys have been every month announcing major Nooooo breakthrus in the fields of Tesla ZPE with magnets and hocus pocus from aliens crashed at Roswell for the past three decades. Where are all them gizmos I see announced imminent everywhere here which I just stick in my car and it runs on water or magnets, the small black box which is going to power a whole town ?

Virtual cowboys ? How did ya guess dude ? Doesn't yawl know I might be gonna get out my ZPE magnotronic virtual peashooter (investors encouraged) and start loosing off the rounds of kryptonite bullits ?

If you have any perspective, you can only agree with me, too many "revolutionnary noo tech made from salvaged baked bean tins and fridge magnets", and no results whatsoever. None. Zilch. Nada.
Hasta la vista anyway, and keep getting excited about ZPE (sounds like a STD)  ::)

 

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