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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 280851 times)

Offline vrand

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #255 on: May 12, 2010, 02:43:23 AM »
Source pls, would like to read the paper :)

Here's what we really know:
- Engine runs on electrolysed water (H2 and O2)
- The engine keeps on running 40 seconds after the outside power was switched off

Nothing more. It's also only a claim to say that 2.5Wh/l of split water is not overunity, because the material is important in the electrolysis process, only the needed charge is independant of material (although i know this is not "overunity", but i just wished people would be more cautious with their statements)

That video was just a proof of concept that they could also power loads, while powering the HHO cell.

They stated that they also ran the genset for hours, without additional loads, but only powering the Anton cells, and using the heat of the exhaust to heat their office.

Heating an office using only water is OU in my book   ;D

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #255 on: May 12, 2010, 02:43:23 AM »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #256 on: May 12, 2010, 02:58:06 AM »
The 40 seconds could be using up the gases already in the system combined with some new gas generated until the combined amounts are exhausted.
I do like the direct injection in the head that could help with some efficency and make better use of fractional hydrogen events (i there are some)
2.5 watts per litre is one of the better ons but as explained not overunity. many other cells can get that with most commercial ones at around 2.8 to 3 watt per litre.
With the load tests its better to actually have the loads measured.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #257 on: May 12, 2010, 03:40:01 PM »
They stated that they also ran the genset for hours, without additional loads, but only powering the Anton cells, and using the heat of the exhaust to heat their office.
Yes if that's correct it changes the situation of course. I didn't read this anywhere, do you have the quote please?  :)

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #257 on: May 12, 2010, 03:40:01 PM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #258 on: May 13, 2010, 12:24:35 AM »
[A author=haithar link=topic=9099.msg241178#msg241178 date=1273671601]
Yes if that's correct it changes the situation of course. I didn't read this anywhere, do you have the quote please?  :)
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I agree fully that I have not read this anywhere and if they can demonstrate that then its a whole new ballgame. As previously metioned their cell is not unlike many others that have been built (including the plate gaps) so if there is anybreak through it is how they did the hydrogen into the engine.
A 40 second test is not long enough. I have seen a huge v8 pickup truck run on HHO (idling) until the battery went flat (which didn't take long) i have also seen engines run up to a minute or more just n the gas stored in the system combined with the new gas being generated.
I am happy to be open minded about this and if they do as claimed to provide engineers to help verify the tests. Without third party validation all they have is a statement.
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Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #259 on: May 18, 2010, 04:52:41 PM »
What kind of electronics does this Anton cell configuration require. I understand theres no need for a toroidal transformer as in Boyce's design, is that correct?
Do you still need a PWM circuit?

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Offline markdansie

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #260 on: May 18, 2010, 05:16:08 PM »
No,
its is just a standard dry cell sometimes called a aterro Cell. Bob boyce actually created this type of cell originally.
The efficency of this cell is about the same of the other dry cells out there.
There are many instructions how to build them on the net, they are really easy and I have built a few.
The plate spacing can make a bit of difference but not a lot. The most important thing is surface area and use 316 stainless if you have it.
You can buy good cells like this quite cheap already built on the NEt at places like March Labs.
Hope that helps
Mark

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #261 on: May 18, 2010, 05:21:06 PM »
What kind of electronics does this Anton cell configuration require. I understand theres no need for a toroidal transformer as in Boyce's design, is that correct?
Do you still need a PWM circuit?

Currently, they dont use any special electronics execpt of half-way rectified AC.
Based on the "narrow-gap" principle, like boyce and others used, is
enhancing that with some kind of bedini/Boyce/Meyer/scalar back-emf
transformator the next logical step.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #262 on: May 18, 2010, 05:49:28 PM »
and does that not compromise the amount of gas produced? i mean why did bob go through the trouble of introducing electronics and a toroid, if had already built one like that originally, if there was no advantage in doing so?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #263 on: May 18, 2010, 07:12:08 PM »
and does that not compromise the amount of gas produced? i mean why did bob go through the trouble of introducing electronics and a toroid, if had already built one like that originally, if there was no advantage in doing so?

Anton is selling only the electrolyser cells right now...not the entire
system. So they only *have to* show unity electrolysis gain
to be guilty of selling quality hardware. This is the correct approach,
to now let those who claim the "overunity lies in the power supply" to
prove that, and that could easily be done using the Anton cells as
electrolyser. Unless tubular or carbon electrode electrolyser cells are
a requirement?

Bob's introduction of the toroid power supply sure made the device much
harder to technologically produce and introduces much uncertainty into
where the overunity energy actually came from...It may have simply
produced more hydrogen that way.

@All

I don't understand why the electrolyser or engine would be more efficient
when they are operating at idle. If the engine is burning water vapor or
engine oil that might explain the situation.

:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #263 on: May 18, 2010, 07:12:08 PM »
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #264 on: May 18, 2010, 07:38:03 PM »
Of course, there is an advantage in feeding back some of the
galvanic/capacitive "features" of that kind of stacks and that
should be investigated further in order to make such systems even more efficient.
Most of the "products" selled are just a try to mimic LCR resonances which
is not as easy as announced. Maybe Boyce had trouble to release something
stable in series for a bigger market? Sometimes Investors are pushing too hard. ;)

As for my understanding the "anton" project and all the others
are going towards sustainability and alternatives to avoid the kind of
"free-energy" you are seeing in the gulf of mexico right now.

"Give HHO 100Years and multi-billions$ of funding like fossils have had
and it will not just be another method of destroying our planet."

i do see that most of the visitors here are looking for "free-(for-me)-energy" in short-terms,
but for my opinion nothing is more "worth" to take care about the environment and to
stop burning stinky stuff. There must be thousands of "Drycells" and such in the states,
but where is the progress in research?
There are a very few real experimenters which are not just looking
for a cheap way to save gasoline on their "big-block-trucks".

Admirable people like "jdmforyou" are really growing with their experience and knowledge.
Regardless, if its "free-energy" or not.
Its an alternative.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #265 on: May 18, 2010, 08:04:37 PM »
ok, so we're back to how it was when it all started... where the "breakthrough" then?
am i missing something? isnt this just the cell as basic as it gets?

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #266 on: May 18, 2010, 09:20:25 PM »
I think we may be observing the same sort of fractional hydrogen claimed by Mills at Black Light  Power, George Miley and Arata. all essentially "shrunken hydrogen" that releases anomalous amounts of energy. This may be most similar to those theories of bubble fusion  based on Casimir effect but instead of the liquid electrolyte representing the shielding enclosure here small conductive pockets of gas enclose atomic hydrogen.
As the "containment cloud" is compressed by the piston the Casimir force increases at the inverse of the distance between the sides of the containment cloud cubed. This is where Mills coined the phrase hydrino but Miley uses dense deuterium and others call it fractional hydrogen. It is still controversial whether the orbitals are sub ground state or
more likely a relativistic perspective where these atoms translate to a different inertial frame. There are even researchers directly investigationg something called SPICE which is almost exactly what the Anton cell is claiming to have accomplished. I don't know the theory behind SPICE it is being researched by a company called CHAVRA and they are not publishing much beyond their goals at this point.

My best guess at what is occuring here is that they are forming fractional hydrogen in the cylinder. nano pockets of nonconductive gas are enveloped by the HHO gas injected into the cylinder forming a gaseous equivalent of a bubble similar to bubble fusion. The conductive meniscui of the bubles exert a Casimir force on any atoms trapped in the nano pocket. As the piston compresses the gas cloud and bubbles the Casimir force sky rockets inverse to the width of the pocket cubed. There are numerous theories regarding how these fractional atoms can deliver free energy based
on their shrunken orbitals. My pet theory is the translation will be equal in both directions for an atom but if a a molecule forms from translated atoms it will resist translating between inertial frames and essentially oscillate between H1 and H2 courtesy of Casimir force which will break the molecule and restore the atoms to monatomic levels as the compression changes the value of the force.

The piston provides the abrupt changes in Casimir force to disassociate the molecules while nature requires they try to form molecules and fall to a lower energy state.
This compares to The heat Black Light Power pumps into their reactor of Rayney nickel except the resulting runaway heat in this case has a couple built in safety
mechanisms compared to Rayney nickel, for one the cavities are transitory so
there is no permanent cavity to destroy, and, two the piston allows the plasma
and combustible portion of gas to expand and cool. My conclusion is that the Anton
cell isn't as important as the feed method to their generator.

http://www.byzipp.com/animaTime.htm

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #267 on: May 18, 2010, 09:21:17 PM »
Anton is selling only the electrolyser cells right now...not the entire
system. So they only *have to* show unity electrolysis gain
to be guilty of selling quality hardware. This is the correct approach,
to now let those who claim the "overunity lies in the power supply" to
prove that, and that could easily be done using the Anton cells as
electrolyser. Unless tubular or carbon electrode electrolyser cells are
a requirement?

The Anton cell looks to be overunity (OU) in the HHO gas Quality and not the gas Quantity produced.

Confirmation by other researchers is needed to verify this energy breakthrough.

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Bob's introduction of the toroid power supply sure made the device much
harder to technologically produce and introduces much uncertainty into
where the overunity energy actually came from...It may have simply
produced more hydrogen that way.

Bob Boyce's 101 plate series cell design was used to convert his special OU toroid energy output to create OU HHO gas at resonance.  To date no researcher has published or shown a video of a Boyce cell operating at resonance.

Some researchers tried using a Boyce 101 plate design, in non-resonace mode at 15-17 LPM, to fuel a genset while powering a load and the cell unit, without sucess.

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@All

I don't understand why the electrolyser or engine would be more efficient
when they are operating at idle. If the engine is burning water vapor or
engine oil that might explain the situation.

:MarkSCoffman

Regards, Mike R.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #268 on: May 18, 2010, 09:43:59 PM »
Quote from: froarty link=topic=9099.msg241728#msg241728 A=1274210425
I think we may be observing the same sort of fractional hydrogen claimed by Mills at Black Light  Power, George Miley and Arata. all essentially "shrunken hydrogen" that releases anomalous amounts of energy. This may be most similar to those theories of bubble fusion  based on Casimir effect but instead of the liquid electrolyte representing the shielding enclosure here small conductive pockets of gas enclose atomic hydrogen.
As the "containment cloud" is compressed by the piston the Casimir force increases at the inverse of the distance between the sides of the containment cloud cubed. This is where Mills coined the phrase hydrino but Miley uses dense deuterium and others call it fractional hydrogen. It is still controversial whether the orbitals are sub ground state or
more likely a relativistic perspective where these atoms translate to a different inertial frame. There are even researchers directly investigationg something called SPICE which is almost exactly what the Anton cell is claiming to have accomplished. I don't know the theory behind SPICE it is being researched by a company called CHAVRA and they are not publishing much beyond their goals at this point.

My best guess at what is occuring here is that they are forming fractional hydrogen in the cylinder. nano pockets of nonconductive gas are enveloped by the HHO gas injected into the cylinder forming a gaseous equivalent of a bubble similar to bubble fusion. The conductive meniscui of the bubles exert a Casimir force on any atoms trapped in the nano pocket. As the piston compresses the gas cloud and bubbles the Casimir force sky rockets inverse to the width of the pocket cubed. There are numerous theories regarding how these fractional atoms can deliver free energy based
on their shrunken orbitals. My pet theory is the translation will be equal in both directions for an atom but if a a molecule forms from translated atoms it will resist translating between inertial frames and essentially oscillate between H1 and H2 courtesy of Casimir force which will break the molecule and restore the atoms to monatomic levels as the compression changes the value of the force.

The piston provides the abrupt changes in Casimir force to disassociate the molecules while nature requires they try to form molecules and fall to a lower energy state.
This compares to The heat Black Light Power pumps into their reactor of Rayney nickel except the resulting runaway heat in this case has a couple built in safety
mechanisms compared to Rayney nickel, for one the cavities are transitory so
there is no permanent cavity to destroy, and, two the piston allows the plasma
and combustible portion of gas to expand and cool. My conclusion is that the Anton
cell isn't as important as the feed method to their generator.

http://www.byzipp.com/animaTime.htm

A very interesting theory, thank you!

So the engine piston compression is part of the requirement in the overunity energy output of the Anton cell HHO gases when used with the genset.  Interesting  :)

Regards, Mike R.


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #269 on: May 19, 2010, 12:31:19 AM »
@Mike R
you talk with som authority and some of yur ideas are interesting.
When you quote Bob Boyce..I am wondering if you ever met him/ I have and he was kind enough to let me stay for a night. He is a wonderful man.
I wonder why you suggest that the Anton cell is OU when other constructed exactly the same are not? How can you come to this conclusion. They have a good cell based on sommething that bob designed many years ago.
Mark

 

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