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Author Topic: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!  (Read 50574 times)

Offline 4Tesla

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 09:40:28 PM »
I've already seen this many times - it's not the steel ball - it's a magnet. Didn't you notice it's a part of magnetic toy - Geomag or similar ?

No, it is a steel ball.. they are only magnetized when connected to the toy magnet stick.. It is true that there are magnet balls, but that isn't one.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 10:43:24 AM »
No, it is a A ball.. they are only magnetized when connected to the toy magnet stick.. It is true that there are magnet balls, but that isn't one.

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Oh ok, good to know that. Sorry.

Offline Rapadura

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2010, 01:29:03 PM »
I'm still waiting any of our dear skepticals to explain why the runner entered the second array in Clanzer's video, overcoming the gate, and why it would be impossible to the runner overcome the entrance gate of a third array, after exiting the second, or overcome the entrance gate of a fourth array after exiting the third.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 05:14:56 PM »
I'm still waiting any of our dear skepticals to explain why the runner entered the second array in Clanzer's video, overcoming the gate, and why it would be impossible to the runner overcome the entrance gate of a third array, after exiting the second, or overcome the entrance gate of a fourth array after exiting the third.

@Rapadura, this same cascading can be done with a SMOT. Look aroung for Naudin's videos where he has chained three SMOT's one after another. As was explained earlier, this may be due to the fact that the energy spent to place the roller (the ball) at the beginning may be greater than the energies it can overcome later. Imagine a ball let go from a tall mountain peak which overcomes peaks of lesser heights along its way.

The real proof for OU would be to have the ball (the roller) travel along a closed loop, not just overcoming some series of gates, but that hasn't been demonstrated so far.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 10:03:19 PM »
Imagine a ball let go from a tall mountain peak which overcomes peaks of lesser heights along its way.

There's a enormous difference between a ball falling from a tall mountain peak and what I had seen on Clanzer's video:

1) The runner in Clanzer's videos is not losing gravitational potential energy. In fact it can even gain gravitational potential energy going uphill in a gentle slope.

2) At the end of the very last array, the runner don't gets stuck at a sticky point. The sticky points are in the beggining of the arrays, so at the very end of the last array there's no sticky point, the runner keeps moving after exiting the last array.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2010, 10:26:42 PM »
There's a enormous difference between a ball falling from a tall mountain peak and what I had seen on Clanzer's video:

1) The runner in Clanzer's videos is not losing gravitational potential energy. In fact it can even gain gravitational potential energy going uphill in a gentle slope.

2) At the end of the very last array, the runner don't gets stuck at a sticky point. The sticky points are in the beggining of the arrays, so at the very end of the last array there's no sticky point, the runner keeps moving after exiting the last array.

No, no, read again carefully what I explained and try to think it through more thoroughly. Never forget the initial energy necessary to be put in when placing the roller at the start. Also, understand that the experiment with the roller is the opposite to the experiment with SMOT. This whole thing has been discussed at length in several threads. Like I said, the main problem is that so far no one has been able to make the ball or the roller travel along a closed loop.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2010, 02:39:43 AM »
@all

The problem in a open magnetic system is that the magnets in a large
long array will tug at the ball or runner on it's return path even though
it is not in the array's central hot spot. The slower the runner returns
the more "mischief" the collective magnetic field can do on its return
path. The thing would be to shield the magnets in the array with an
iron armature that would focus the magnetic field heavely into the
track area and have less lines of flux flowing off generally. The halbach
array and to some extent the triforce gates do that, but is it
enough??? There was a youtube video of a person shaking a
magnetic "wand" and one observes a similar suspended wand let's
say 6 feet away, moving vigorously...That's the effect we are fighting.

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Eventually you will want a magnetic runner that will reject arbitrary
magnetization which a steel ball can not.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2010, 06:22:16 AM »
His video #2 showing the exit from the array is very interesting. Notice that there is a acceleration through the gate to allow the exit to happen. I wonder if it would be possible to have a single long enough array for the device to exit as such as to speed to loop over and enter a
over head "tube"  The tube would be angled slightly downward and allow the device to reenter the initial array-just a thought.

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2010, 06:38:17 AM »
His video #2 showing the exit from the array is very interesting. Notice that there is a acceleration through the gate to allow the exit to happen. I wonder if it would be possible to have a single long enough array for the device to exit as such as to speed to loop over and enter a
over head "tube"  The tube would be angled slightly downward and allow the device to reenter the initial array-just a thought.

Unlike SMOT, there is an insurmountable entrance barrier in this case, if you remember the demonstrations when this was discussed. If you don't put the roller just right it will go the other way, not toward the track we see it rolling along in the video.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2010, 04:03:32 PM »
Yes  I see what your mean, but what if the device  "dropped' into
the entrance of the array at an angle just due to gravity of it " falling" through the tube.
Again if sufficent speed could be atttained the device exits the array loops back over itself. Sounds to easy though, I think the problem would be the looping over at the exit.
I would like to see a ramp built at the entrance of the array and the device in effect rolled into the array.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2010, 04:51:23 PM »
Come on guys... If the roller can really enter a third array after exiting the second, and enter a fourth after exiting the third, and a fifth, and a sixth, and a seventh, and this thing can go on continuously for any distance, then it's pure and genuine overunity.

Look the drawing I have put in the first post of this thread. If we use two "tracks" of Halbach arrays side by side (separated, let we say, by one or two meters), it can obviously achive a closed loop. Just use a piezo film under the rolling surface, and after certain distance (I don't know what that distance will be, probably well less than the 2000 meters I wrote in the drawing), the energy accumulated in the capacitor bank will be far enough to drive the roller at the end of the first track and put it in the right position at the beggining of the second track. Remember all Halbach arrays used are equal, and to make the roller enter the first array of the track is as easy as make it enter any other Halbach array along the track.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2010, 05:45:16 PM »
   I have stayed out of this but now I need to ask if
you have made up a loop of halbach arrays and see
if it demonstrates the same problem as in regular mags.
You have the thrust until you join the two ends and then
it is gone. You have created a closed loop magnet like
a torrid and now all the force can flow internal.

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2010, 10:17:45 PM »
It's overunity without a doubt. This is the only categorically proven overunity device so far. The problem is that the excess energy is only produced discontinuously and, as I already said, it hasn't been shown yet to travel along a closed loop, that is, to have the excess energy produced continuously. Unfortunately, thus far, large part of the excess energy is in the form of losses (heat losses) and that prevents it from closing the loop.

As a matter of fact, that (the losses) is the main reason why Steorn's eOrbo can't be made self-sustaining at this point, although it's also an OU device, producing excess energy.

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Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2010, 01:27:51 AM »
I had just edited Clanzer's video to show only the most important parts, and posted on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1WgwZ9-Oo

I hope people understand that, if it can really make a roller travel for thousands of meters in straight line, it's overunity, even if a closed loop wasn't achieved yet.

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2010, 01:54:37 AM »
I had just edited Clanzer's video to show only the most important parts, and posted on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1WgwZ9-Oo

I hope people understand that, if it can really make a roller travel for thousands of meters in straight line, it's overunity, even if a closed loop wasn't achieved yet.

That's correct. That a device of this type is an OU machine has already been proved conclusively using rigorous arguments and not only qualitatively as it is seen in the video. That's an old chestnut already. Now what's in is the new experiment by Bob Kostoff and if its reality is confirmed that will be a new era in the practical application of the already proven OU effect: http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/Specs.html

 

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