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### Author Topic: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!  (Read 61066 times)

#### Hugo Chavez

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2010, 08:09:09 AM »
you might as well call a ball rolling down a long hill overunity

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2010, 08:39:11 AM »
For some people, it is easier to pull strings off of the cheese.
so allow me to break this down for you.

the energy per rotation (around the inside of the bowl) is:

(coefficient of friction)x(force of gravity[sin angle of incline])x(diameter of the circle)

the force of gravity is: (mass of the ball)( 9.8m/s/s)
the angle of the incline decreases spirally with each rotation
the diameter (distance over which friction is performing work)
decreases spirally with each progressive rotation

we can then pull another string off the cheese, and break this down into segments, of approx. equal diameter and angle of incline
multiplied by the (RPM)x (time of the segment)

we'll string the cheese once again

the resultant, when added together gives you the total energy
(work performed by friction)

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2010, 08:41:55 AM »
you might as well call a ball rolling down a long hill overunity

i might be inclined to agree with you, if i didnt have to first carry the ball up the hill..

#### Hugo Chavez

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2010, 10:16:42 AM »
i might be inclined to agree with you, if i didnt have to first carry the ball up the hill..
as if you do not have to move the bearing back out of center to get it spinning again...

#### FatChance!!!

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2010, 10:20:25 AM »
LOL....
sm0ky2, you are truly a perfect example on ignorant perception abilities.

#### Airstriker

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2010, 10:55:29 AM »
It's actually quite unbelievable how many people like sm0ky2 you will find on this forum. Sad.

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2010, 03:16:24 PM »
i have yet to see any of you do the math on moving the ball the 0.0762 meters from the center of the bowl.

much less calculate the energy of the ball performing several rotations around the bowl. We haven't even touched the additional friction due to the fact that the ball is spinning as it rotates, that would take up a whole other page. The energy accounted for above is already past the 1:1 ratio so i didnt feel the need to go any futher than that.

Keep pulling strings off the cheese. What is your purpose for being here? (this question is rhetorical, and meant for inner thought, you dont need to answer this)

ignorant is he who chooses to ignore what is directly before his eyes.

say what you want about me, that doesnt bother me, nor does it change the physics of what is occuring here.

If you are unwilling or unable to do the math yourself, then what is the point in posting these useless comments about that which you do not know?

#### nappolean

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2010, 07:09:17 PM »
i have read and watch most of the videos and post that u guys posted in this thread and i have seen something that most of u have. When the ball reach the middle its stop after a time but it stop. So the problem here is that we need to prevent the ball from coming to the mid. Maybe if u can get a way to not let the ball go to the mid with some sore of blocking u might get what u are looking for.

But in the end how much watts that can produce?
How much would cost to power a house with that?
Will that be cheaper than solar panel systems or wind systems to power a house?

#### FatChance!!!

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2010, 08:20:50 PM »
You could never put a load on this device. It would stop it even faster than having no load.
Only if it accelerated up by itself would it be possible to load it down to equilibrium.
Meaning: If it had any excess energy that accelerated the ball then it would keep accelerating
until all excess energy was used up by drag and mass losses and hit its maximum peak RPM.
Let's say that level would be at 100000 RPM.
Then the ball could be loaded down until 50000 RPM. This is the sweet spot where half
the energy is used up to spin the ball and the other half is tapped by us like free energy.

But this will never happen as there is no free energy with this device. It's just a cool toy.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2010, 09:58:10 PM by FatChance!!! »

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #99 on: July 24, 2010, 05:39:32 AM »
You could never put a load on this device. It would stop it even faster than having no load.
Only if it accelerated up by itself would it be possible to load it down to equilibrium....

That is very true. any additional load placed on this would interefere with the magnetic interactions, in addition to causing excessive drag on the ball. it would simply fail to operate.

"overunity" doesnt always mean "free energy". Those two terms have completely different meanings.
the prior simply means that the system as a whole produces (and in this example, consumes) more than was placed into it. while the latter implies the ability to extract energy output from the system, without inhibiting its' operation.

an apple is a fruit, but not all fruits are apples.
While some "OU" systems produce "free energy", this particular one does not.

#### FatChance!!!

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2010, 10:04:28 AM »
While some "OU" systems produce "free energy", this particular one does not.

#### infringer

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2010, 11:39:29 PM »
FatChance!!! Prove it pretzel boy!

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2010, 05:47:48 AM »

i never said it wasn't "overunity", because in fact it is.
what i said what that it does not produce "free energy".

if you want to pull more strings off the cheese, i should point out that we haven't even begun to account for all of the energy in this system yet.
i have already shown you how to calculate that there is more energy consumed by the system than is input into it.

do i need to walk you through adding up the rest of the equations sill yet unaccounted for?

wind resistance, moment of inertia, resistance to the gravitational force thats keeping the top-heavy ball from tipping over on its side??
need i go on?

keep pulling apart the string cheese.......

#### giantkiller

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2010, 05:50:58 AM »
Well I am very impressed with this. The duration is the biggie. There is another guy who has a table full of spinning bearings on youtube. He does his differently. But the potential is there.
The Hamel device started me on this OU journey. God bless David's soul. He made an effort to get it out there. A spinning device of magnets. Searl is the same. This can be done virtually. Do any of you know this? There is no friction only the speed of light. The TPU does this. A handheld virtual magnetic atom.
Keep on truckin'.

< Sm0ky2 sits down and shuts up >

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: CLaNZeR can achieve overunity!
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2010, 06:16:30 AM »
.... The TPU does this. A handheld virtual magnetic atom.

not exactly..  this is just a simple magnetic imbalance system.

the TPU device has a different means of operation, which is still the subject of great controversy. some believe that the TPU is using ambient EMF, from the electrical lines. Which, could be easily disproven if someone were to take one out into the middle of a national park and show that it still works.. which i haven't seen done yet..

as far as a "macro atomic-structure" is concerned, the hamel spinner does not qualify as such.

Such a system undergoes exponential acceleration, and (in theory) will max out at relativistic speeds. ( a fraction of the speed of light, based on the mass of the moving parts). I was unable to verify the maximum speed of the one i built several years ago (on accident while designing a magnetic gearing system for a client), because the second time it exploded, it was still well under its maximum speed and it nearly killed me, and imbedded ceramic-ferrite magnets into the walls of my office. Which was what began me into this field of research, and ultimately led me to this forum.