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Offline dieter

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How to smoke Lorentz
« on: April 04, 2014, 11:01:35 PM »
EDIT: PLEASE READ FIRST! :
Even if this is emberassing for me, I tell you this right now, so you will not waste time in trying to replicate this: It turned out it is the microwave oven magnet that causes the effect. It works also with other iron objects, not only with coils. These magnets must be magnetized asymmetrically. The bloch wall is not in the middle. There is this imbalance, but since after all it's just a PM, I am afraid that the forces will equalize somehow.


So I was wrong. Once again, the quest continues.


Here follows the original posting...


Hello everybody, I think I just smoked Lorentz, and probably half of Lenz as well.

By smoking, I meant not litarly, but more figuratively, in finding a way to neutralize the Lorentz force. In other words, I may have just found a key to free energy.

I may investigate on this in detail, but right now I want the let you know the basics quickly.

Recently I discovered that an iron coil was attracted more to the north pole of a magnet than to the south pole. I did this experiment with care and it is a fact. Most amazing find is: If I turn the coil 180 degrees, then it will not reverse this feature, but remain exactly the same.

As somebody who is into magnetism quite a bit, you should just think about this for a moment. That means, when the iron is on eg. the left side of the PM then it will be attracted strongly and, assuming some rotor, swing by. When the bloch walls have crossed, it will be attracted less and keep on rotating. You know how this continues. Just like a pulse motor. This is... wow!

Furthermore, when we use a iron coil as an induced generator coil, then the induced current will cause a bfield trough that iron coil, that can neutralize the lorentz force, that is normally braking the rotor. The more current flows in the induced, the higher the lorentz force, but in case of the iron coil also the more lorentz-neutralizing electromagnet force of the coil.

Lorentz successfully smoked. Quad erat demonstrandum.
EDIT. actually, not shure about the second part, that would be possible with copper too, so... But part 1 is still  standing. Guess there must be ways to use this in solid state...

Any potential invention in this posting is hereby declared public domain.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 06:54:44 AM by dieter »

Offline Magluvin

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 01:38:50 AM »
I think Leedskalnin said he was able to do more with iron than copper.

Nice work.   ;)   Any vids?


Mags

Offline MarkE

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 03:16:49 AM »
Hello everybody, I think I just smoked Lorentz, and probably half of Lenz as well.

By smoking, I meant not litarly, but more figuratively, in finding a way to neutralize the Lorentz force. In other words, I may have just found a key to free energy.

I may investigate on this in detail, but right now I want the let you know the basics quickly.

Recently I discovered that an iron coil was attracted more to the north pole of a magnet than to the south pole. I did this experiment with care and it is a fact. Most amazing find is: If I turn the coil 180 degrees, then it will not reverse this feature, but remain exactly the same.

As somebody who is into magnetism quite a bit, you should just think about this for a moment. That means, when the iron is on eg. the left side of the PM then it will be attracted strongly and, assuming some rotor, swing by. When the bloch walls have crossed, it will be attracted less and keep on rotating. You know how this continues. Just like a pulse motor. This is... wow!

Furthermore, when we use a iron coil as an induced generator coil, then the induced current will cause a bfield trough that iron coil, that can neutralize the lorentz force, that is normally braking the rotor. The more current flows in the induced, the higher the lorentz force, but in case of the iron coil also the more lorentz-neutralizing electromagnet force of the coil.

Lorentz successfully smoked. Quad erat demonstrandum.
EDIT. actually, not shure about the second part, that would be possible with copper too, so... But part 1 is still  standing. Guess there must be ways to use this in solid state...

Any potential invention in this posting is hereby declared public domain.
You've discovered remnant magnetization.  Lorentz is alive and well.

Offline dieter

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 06:10:41 AM »
Magluvin,


thanks. vids hopefully soon.


MarkE,


remanent magnetism isn't monopolar. But I will have to do further tests to verify what's going on. I am pretty shure it's not remanent magnetisation.



Regards



EDIT: please read post 1 again..

Offline MarkE

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 08:37:34 AM »
Magluvin,


thanks. vids hopefully soon.


MarkE,


remanent magnetism isn't monopolar. But I will have to do further tests to verify what's going on. I am pretty shure it's not remanent magnetisation.



Regards



EDIT: please read post 1 again..
Neither are your iron wires.

Offline dieter

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 07:43:07 PM »
MarkE,


First if all, there's no reason to open a champagne bottle and celebrate a party, only because I was wrong.  ;D At least I have the balls to confess my mistake. I have never seen such a behaviour of a PM before, insofar it is quite extraordinary.


Second, I do not agree with your last posting. "My" iron wire is a coil, and any coil can cause a bfield when a current is induced. whether this bfield is attracting or repellung the inducing PM is a matter of the winding, CW or CCW. Therefor, any induced coil can be built in a supportive and in a anti-supportive way. This however may not be enough to overcome the lorentz force, but nevertheless, it makes sense to me.
Contrairy to my observations of the micro wave oven PM Asymmetry, the potentially supportive force of a coil (no matter if copper or iron) will be reversed, depending on whether the coil is moving closer or moving further away from the magnet.


Basicly, my thesis persists, even if my observation was caused by said PM  (which is a yet to be investigated anomaly IMHO)


Regards




Offline dieter

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 12:02:17 AM »
Unfort. I cannot edit the earlier posts in this thread, so I have to make this clear:


I was totally out of my mind when I wrote that. Of course it is not true that the windung direction only causes attraction vs repulsion... Lenz's law makes clear, it is the opposite.


Sorry folks for posting rubbish, but that magnet used to confuse me quite a lot, ...  :-X
 

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 02:14:11 AM »
MarkE,


First if all, there's no reason to open a champagne bottle and celebrate a party, only because I was wrong.  ;D At least I have the balls to confess my mistake. I have never seen such a behaviour of a PM before, insofar it is quite extraordinary.


Second, I do not agree with your last posting. "My" iron wire is a coil, and any coil can cause a bfield when a current is induced. whether this bfield is attracting or repellung the inducing PM is a matter of the winding, CW or CCW. Therefor, any induced coil can be built in a supportive and in a anti-supportive way. This however may not be enough to overcome the lorentz force, but nevertheless, it makes sense to me.
Contrairy to my observations of the micro wave oven PM Asymmetry, the potentially supportive force of a coil (no matter if copper or iron) will be reversed, depending on whether the coil is moving closer or moving further away from the magnet.


Basicly, my thesis persists, even if my observation was caused by said PM  (which is a yet to be investigated anomaly IMHO)


Regards
Whether a straight, twisted, curled, zig-zagged or any shape you like, a wire carrying a current or not does not form a magnetic monopole.

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 05:20:17 AM »
@dieter

I'll say this much,  the magnetic force around a SINGLE DC current carrying wire
does differ significantly from the force around a permanent magnet or a coil of wire.

The force circulates in one direction only.   It may be that it spirals as well.
This does not I think,  constitute a magnetic monopole. But I think it is still worth pondering.

                          floor


Offline dieter

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Re: How to smoke Lorentz
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 06:47:44 PM »
Thanks Floor, actually I knew that already, It gets more complicated when the coil is made of iron, as the iron will redirect the b-field to flow in parallel with the current, if the insulation acts as an airgap. At least I guess so...  :)


Regards