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Offline FreeEnergy

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free energy circuit setup
« on: April 01, 2006, 09:35:41 PM »
check it out.
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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2006, 09:36:23 PM »
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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 09:36:54 PM »
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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2006, 09:37:26 PM »
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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2006, 02:13:25 AM »

Hi FreeEnergy,

Thank you for sharing.
Your very experiments sounds great to me.
I have just read your post.
I have some caps and motor and will (at least:))) do the first experiment.

Sould I be allowed to cram into my own stuff?
Another way to "play" with caps :
TEP testing :
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm

I have not done this test yet.
I'm also planning to do it when I receive my two 100 000 uf/40 Volts caps.

But, what I have already noticed is :
Within some particular conditions (coil (motor coil?) bifilar coil, Bedini Motor) you
do not need current (amps) to charge a capacitor, just "special (pulsed?) voltage".

About it, please have a look at :
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html

It sounds like when given some "pulsed/special voltage" any cap is OK to being
charged, giving Q=CV.
And, when this cap is (quickly) tanked up, are we not free (NRG)
to get back the amps for whatever we need?

Best of All,
NerzhDishual

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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2006, 04:26:41 AM »
 ;D Now... today is April Fool's Day...

But... assuming you are being real here...

It may be as simple as the motor being mismatched with the capacitor.

Of course discharging the entire cap will run the motor and discharge the cap.  But does it make efficient use of the power?

What you have shown may be that the motor was wasting power i.e. it will only turn so fast.

So with the extra cap - you catch that extra voltage and reuse it. 

And what is the DC DC converter?  Since caps charge to the voltage of the source... how is this multiplying voltage?

But... while we are talking about wild ideas... :)

How about replacing one of the caps with a coil - an air-core conical coil with bifilar windings - with one coil connected to the primary circuit and the other connected to a secondary circuit.
If you choose the L and C to make the circuit resonate at the frequency of the source... then the coil should have zero inductance and behave like caps in series... this might pull voltage off to the secondary without adding resistance to the source and therefore not increasing the current used from the source.

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2006, 07:54:31 AM »
Hi Elvis

Yes I'm a real human being, perhaps a too naive one.
As I'm 58 years old, I guess, being so naive, I should better be off line.

Actually, I was not aware that just saying that you can fill a cap without current
could deserve you such wrath/mockery and a kinda direct sending to hell?

Just check out the date/hour from France.
When I posted my message April 1Th was over.

Anyway, I was saying:
"I have some caps and motor and will (at least:))) do the first experiment."

Would you be so kind as to let me alone doing a simple experiment
before I should have to build any air-core con(?)ical coil with bifilar windings?

I must confess that most of your clever suggestions are over my head.
I'm not a graduate scientist just a mere computer programmer which can read a meter.

Sorry for my English.
My French is worse.

Veuillez recevoir, Monsieur, l'expression de mes salutations les plus distingu?es.

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Offline Elvis Oswald

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2006, 08:53:11 AM »
I was certainly not mocking you.  We must have lost it in the translation.  And I will take the blame because I am a lazy American who allows his representatives to  and pillage the globe.
I do what I can to try and stop the things we do.... but I am just one man.  But we are growing in numbers and maybe soon we will see the real promise of America.

Actually, my doubt was pointed to the original post. Time is a factor in electronics.  In the case of the experiment - I said that it proves nothing.  And I say that not in a bad way at all.  I simply want to point out the logic to you.  If you want to experiment, then it must prove something.
In this case, it only proves how much time a motor will run on a charge... and how to use all of the charge to power the motor instead of wasting it.

If this was the whole post, I might say that it is a very efficient circuit - but not overunity...

But then I saw your post.  I think you are thinking the same as me
Quote
Within some particular conditions (coil (motor coil?) bifilar coil, Bedini Motor) you
do not need current (amps) to charge a capacitor, just "special (pulsed?) voltage".

And so - I suggested that you are correct.
Look here...  http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
and read the next few pages.

Maybe you can move voltage to the secondary without resistance....

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2006, 09:23:54 AM »
i found this on the web, it seemed pretty simple to understand. will it work? i dont know. if someone can build this and see...

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2006, 09:37:04 AM »
Unfortunately the experiment with the motor proves nothing.

But the DC DC converter sounds weird - how is it multiplying voltage without dropping current?  Your motor needs the current to turn... voltage alone will not do it.

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2006, 09:57:01 AM »
NerzhDishual if experiment one (first picture) prooves to be true then i think it will work!

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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2006, 01:48:44 PM »
Hi All-

 This stuff looks fun! - thanks FreeEnergy for the posts.

OK then so looking at experiment one first, wouldn't one need to record the speed(or revolutions) of the little DC motor in all tests before making any conclusions? Just as Elvis said it seems this doesn't prove anything as is. Also wouldn't at  6.5 volts running the motor be much slower anyways if it even ran at all??

 In the other experiment with the dc dc converter. What exactly is a dc dc converter? I mean I have seen them for example as a 12VDC to 24VDC converter. So what in this test do we suppose it(the dc dc converter) is converting from and to then??

Just wondering

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2006, 02:04:28 AM »
Hi Elvis,

OK. Misunderstanding/translation jam.
The "polemic" is over.
Please note that I have actually nothing against American 'people'
and most of time I do get along with...

'OU' or not 'OU' that is the question!
'OU' or 'mere' super-efficiency that is another question!
Does some experiment prove something that is a third question?

About resonance:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
I had already downloaded this page.
I had also learnt that at school.
Voltage without current (or alternative voltage with current
but with cosine(phi)=0) means no power.
OK.
But if I can notwithstanding charge a cap with what seems to be only voltage
(i.e. with no power or very few power) that almost weld my screwdriver
when sort-circuited after being filled, I think that I am allowed to
ask me some questions.

About the caps/motor experiment:

My biggest cap is a (100 Euros) one farad "beast" that I dare not
to use for the moment...

I have tried to run my small 3 volt motor with a 10 000 uF/25 Volts
tiny cap (charged with a 12 volts bat).
The motor do not fire and runs during a big second :((...
That is not long enough for doing any measurement.

I have ordered a 100 000uF/40 volts (50 Euros).
This motor, if not burning, should run during a little bit more that 10 seconds.
I will try to measure the amps.

I'm not so in a rush, I would like to familiarize myself with caps before.

After that I will try the one Farad cap or spend more euros to order
a less 'greedy' and more fitted motor and another caps.

BTW (off topic?) I have already tried to charge a 1000 uf/400 volts cap
with a small Bedini motor running with a small not-in-good shape 7.2 Volts bat.
The neon is glowing.
When the cap is wired the neon stops glowing.
After few seconds le cap voltage reach more than 100 volts, the neon
is glowing again and the caps voltage keeps on increasing slowly until
about 120 volts.
After that I disconnect the cap and I short-circuit it with a big screwdriver.
The sound and the spark are noticeable.

Of course this is not science (for the moment) but just messing for the fun of it :)).
I have done no serious measurement. But I will.
I have just noticed that there is practically not current at the output
of a Bedini motor.

I must confess that one of my half baked crackpot ?secret? ideas
is to get a self running Bedini motor with only a cap.

You just fill the cap. And the motor lives one's own life.
Like the Reidar Finsrud?s ?moving sculpture? that you have to hand start.?

According to J. Bedini (as I can catch it) you can not close the loop with a single bat with his SSG motor?
A bat (which is a chemical device) can do only one thing at the same time:
being charged or giving electrical power.
Of course, I have tried to do it (just short-circuit the output, see the circuit). It does not explode anything but seems useless.
Of course you could imagine a flywheel and a switching circuit.
But does the bat would accept being so messed up?
Perhaps a cap (which is also a chemical device, apart from Leyde bottles)
could be more ?tolerant??

My problem is that I have to fill the cap with high (=/= 100/200 volts)
pulsed voltage and  I have to feed the 2N 3055 with less voltage.
Using another transistor?
But the serious caps are only rated for few volts
You can get a 100 farad/2.2 volts super cap? etc?

Ok. Off topic again. Sorry.

Very Best.



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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2006, 03:05:56 AM »
again, I'm sorry if you took offense.  My intentions were good.
I'm no electrical engineer myself. :)

Any potential difference is voltage.  Resistance to that voltage generates current.  Voltage stored in the static field of a cap is limited and will be used up generating current.

The trick is to find a way to charge your cap from a limitless 'free' energy source.




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Re: free energy circuit setup
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2006, 06:06:54 PM »
If this potentially works is it because your stopping the 50% of the flow from destroying the dipole moment? as I understand it in a conventional circuit half the energy from the battery is always utilised in the load because the other half is needed to carry the flow back round to the dipole, effectively destroying anything above COP 0.5

 

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