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Author Topic: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion  (Read 6511 times)

Offline norman6538

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Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
« on: March 20, 2013, 03:15:53 PM »
We need a place to discuss this since Naudin has replicated it but I do not
see an active forum where there is a discussion so I start it here.

He routes the backemf away from the primary coil so a load does not
draw any more wattage than noload.
It not OU because it takes about 9 watts to run it and puts out 3 watts
but the diverted backemf is a BIG DEAL.

and I found this but its back on 2010  13 mins
at 1m 52s in 106.9 mw out 403.3 mw 377%
alt flux path 10 times primary
after about 4 mins he goes into the theory stuff

Uploaded on Oct 16, 2010


The other hot one is the induction cooker that powers a Tesla pancake coil
that outputs more than the input power.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2013, 09:21:04 PM by norman6538 »

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 04:03:11 PM »
Hi Norman,

I agree with you that getting 3W output without increasing the input draw is a big achievement but if the input power draw is a continuous 9W, then according to accepted rules it is not OU. 
Yes, the diverted backemf is a big deal, this is where the ball is to be carried and played with further on...

Thane has a unique and individual interpretation of defining his achievement, he surely has every right to define it as he wishes,  maybe you have noticed his long post just today here: 

Re on the induction cooker: if I got it correctly, Naudin measured about 1733W input and about 1596W output power as his latest tests showed:  This is his input power to the cooker from the link:  and this is his output:

rgds,  Gyula

Offline norman6538

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Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 09:43:25 PM »
Thanks Gyula for the induction cooker info. I took the bulb wattage as the output -
3330 watts.

I have not seen what Naudin used for his cores and I don't understand what
the usual looking transformer on top is for. Naudin did show the bottom two
round toroids in the video. I like the look of theenergydreamer because it
looks more like what Thane Heins showed and in this video after 4 minutes
where he gets into the theory and how it works.


Offline Magnethos

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Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 11:14:01 PM »
Thane Heins remembers me to Don Smith in some of his theories.
It should be a way to use electricity in transformers to get a lot of energy in the output.
I think reactive power can be amplified several times without affecting the power factor of the source.
If the power factor of the source is 0 then the current and the voltage are 90ยบ out of phase and no watts are consumed, just virtual power.

I've also check a way to extract electrical power from a transformer while don't changing the power factor.

Offline norman6538

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Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 12:13:30 AM »
I just discovered another thread here just so you know but not much activity yet.