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Offline 27Bubba

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #300 on: March 10, 2013, 02:25:08 AM »
Jib
I suppose a better question would be what does research mean to you?
open source is the excuse that was used to grab the work of many members here collate it all into an advertising campaign for personal gain and tell the people whose work was being used to go Fu@3 themselves when they tried to explain.


then the same salesman is telling folks contributing at kickstarter that the only place to get this info is to buy it from him and help him with his research?? {NOT ONE MENTION OF THESE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES AND THEIR YEARS OF SELFLESS WORK!!!}


Research involves EXTREMELY benevolent behavior at this level ,it requires tons of effort on absolutely no resources ,a group effort
sometimes with the aid of scientists that share ideas and proprietary information to this benevolent community.


If this is the next level to you [taking the work from a community you never helped in any way and telling them to go F themselves when they try to explain],obviously you are a business man and this makes perfect sense to you.


Thank you for clarifying the profoundly obvious!.


Chet


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Agree 100%! And would add this..  There be absolutely no charge of any kind for information founded on this OPEN SOURCE FORUM! 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #300 on: March 10, 2013, 02:25:08 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #301 on: March 10, 2013, 06:43:51 AM »
I dissagree with no charge in just one respect. that you give a push to get people to come to these free open source communities, and join in as they will benefit in not just being able to freely decide if they want to fund you purely to help you and get tangible (coils and circuit components) goods, or scavenge them selves up the resources, You may loose a few backers, but you gain the trust and help of the community, in exchange which I feel is worth far more than any thing you would loose on that.

I would propose that the group here get involved and do exactly what Teslatronix has done but as group, and split the money so that each person can use some of it for their own research aspects they provide to the whole of the group, and the information being given back into the general pool of opensource data base.

@TeslaTronics, the only thing I really see since I can not verify the "f*ck you" that was claimed to exist in your reply, is that you did not in any of the areas I looked, spur the knowledge of where the original design and help info came from, this leads people to do as they do, and assume, that you are the sole holder of the info. Which is not true as I see it.

as for an olive branch, I would say you need to openly share where the info came from, and any changes you made on your kickstarter if they still allow you to add to the page so that people who are going there, both backers and those finding you through google fu, will be led to both this forum and others, to learn even more. anything else is diminutive, as in the further temporally you move from your actions (say donating money to Gbluer to help his research or Dr. Stiffler's research) the less effect it will have, but bringing new fresh minds to the engineering pool while making it clear that they should also do the same thing, will have a cumulative effect much the way religions spread, except this can do far greater good, than any religion has ever done, and will do far less damage to the human race and the earth, than any of those religions have ever done as well, I hope you both benefit and can add to the collective effort and this bickering can stop, as it is completely counter productive.

***let me be clear too that I am NOT an atheist, NOR am I a part of any other religion, and yes atheism is a religion, of sorts, in that they have to BELIEVE that there is NOT a god from circumstantial evidence in the form of a lack of evidence of such an existence, and they further prove this to me all the time by being just as zealous as any religions convert has of any other religion,

my stance on that is that I am agnostic (I don't know, either way) and I find the pursuit of any evidence either way a frivolous   effort, that we should instead be investing in bettering our world and lives instead, and by proxy effecting positive changes in teh world for other to enjoy as well.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #302 on: March 10, 2013, 06:47:04 AM »
oh and I should add that your response to all the flaming you got from Desert Experimenter and such was the first I found of a mention from where the info originated, sorry to have omitted that fact. It still would be the better olive branch offering for at least me, if you purposefully directed people from your site, to opensource communities, and give a list with maybe some review of your experiences on each so they know what sort of benefit they can expect to obtain by joining in and working with the people at each of them.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #302 on: March 10, 2013, 06:47:04 AM »
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Offline 27Bubba

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #303 on: March 10, 2013, 01:19:35 PM »
I dissagree with no charge in just one respect. that you give a push to get people to come to these free open source communities,

And how you going to control this? From the legal stand point you can push all you want ... If one don't want to cooperate (post the originating/tor info) all you can do is kiss hiss/her behind... There is absolutely no incentive do do so.

and join in as they will benefit in not just being able to freely decide if they want to fund you purely to help you and get tangible (coils and circuit components) goods, or scavenge them selves up the resources,

If you leave absolutely OPEN and FREE,  there is no money to be made from sharing the info, the scumbags cant charge you for it..

MY 2¢

Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #304 on: March 10, 2013, 02:35:59 PM »
I suppose "hiding the source" is mandatory in these types of "business" ventures.
people should fancy you some sort of Genius or savant ,who can pull things from thin air!!
sort of like a wizard ,you'd ware a funny Hat and wave things around and cause magical
moments.........


HHmm I suppose the investors are gonna have an opinion Now?Why the change of heart?
I know if I was one of these "enlightened" investors and it was a few years back [i see things differently now]


TT and I would be discussin that face to face!


Gents You are on the right page,I have said enuff
There are men much better at "sayin" here than me !


Just one thought?[not to Jibness]
how about a charity to start off,the money goes to a charity to bring resources to people that
have none,or to teach Children ,an example??


We pick a charity ??


I suppose ultimately we will be the beneficiaries [a better world]


thx
Chet
PS
I might add provisions would have to be made from inventors/designers on down to "service"
however ,I must also add .


You could not even Fathom the resources that would embrace such a project ![intellectual as well as material].


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #304 on: March 10, 2013, 02:35:59 PM »
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Offline The Architect

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #305 on: March 10, 2013, 07:10:01 PM »
If you leave absolutely OPEN and FREE,  there is no money to be made from sharing the info, the scumbags cant charge you for it..

MY 2¢

my concept of charge was that he do some charity work to bring the people coming to his little business venture and expose them to the opensource community, to help both the community, and the people whom had come to him, and hopefully anyone else planning to do this will follow this model, from the start next time, and share the info freely rather than neglect to mention where it came from and give their honest reviews on what each forum in the opensource community has to offer someone who would join it.

TL:DR of this is that the CHARGE is not monetary, so ZERO money charged. instead an ACT to HELP people is the charge. if he does indeed use the excess money to do research and releases that research and it's findings to the opensource community, then he would be totally keeping with in the opensource mentality, but only time will tell with that.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #306 on: March 10, 2013, 07:54:19 PM »
If you leave absolutely OPEN and FREE,  there is no money to be made from sharing the info, the scumbags cant charge you for it..

MY 2¢

OK BUBBA SERIOUSLY I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU JUST DID THERE! you PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! remove that NOW and properly attribute WHO said WHAT

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #306 on: March 10, 2013, 07:54:19 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #307 on: March 11, 2013, 04:22:29 PM »
Responsibility,


What you do with what you got,ultimately makes you responsible for the out come!
you want to hand the future over to the "status Quo".?
We're in their box,we have gotten so used to it that its the closest thing to perpetual motion we have here
the "closed loop" of  "Happy Time at OU.com"
When will you realize that handing this work over to men like TeslaTronics is not in our best interest
its the "status Quo" at work....


Do onto others before they do onto you,Take first ask questions later....

Just for absolute clarity ,I am in no way whatsoever inferring that this particular example  {TT} is "the game changer" for free energy.
It is however A game changer to open source research,at a true Scientific level.[or a reiteration of why that contribution does not exist]
 Or we can keep flinging things on the OU wall till something sticks,hope that there is no one in our midst
  who follows every step for profit,[has his finger on the "send" button to his patent attorney]
Seems like we have to actually do something quite out of character?

Something "selfless and responsible".


THX
Chet

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #308 on: March 11, 2013, 11:59:53 PM »
 Hi everyone.
 Not sure if I’m welcome here but I thought i would throw my coin in too.
 
 I support TeslaTronics on this one.  The arguments for and against have already been done to death so I’m not going to re-iterate what has already been well said.
 
 However, their are a couple of points i want to throw in the mix...
 
 1) John bedini (and others) sell kits that are based upon tesla and others principals / designs etc etc. So, why are people not throwing a hissy fit with him? Sounds like double standards to me...
 
 2) The video by Kultus was beyond belief for someone that would have us believe he is an experienced free energy developer. He should know better that to do such a video. It comes across to me like, 'pram, baby, dummy, spit).
 
 3) This is not the first time that kultus and others have attempted to stop any commercial sales of anything to do with Free Energy.
 he and others tried the same thing on with me and vesper over a year ago... and i mean THE EXACT SAME THING! When we said politely to him and the others that what we do with OUR OWN unreleased (IE private) research and inventions is our own purgatives he and others commenced a campaign of ridicule, lies, set-ups and emotional manipulation against myself and vesper. THE EXACT SAME THING he is doing to Teslatronics. 
4) Has kultus and other (including myself and people here) not ‘profited’ from the work done by the FE community? Have the senior among us not become known within the community and thus famous (or infamous)?

 5) All the FE forums are public and open. All the info can be freely (and easily) copied... EXCEPT ONE! The LINUX open source community releases source code under the GNU GPL. It is a licence that basically states you can use the software free of charge, you can modify it free of charge, you can redistribute it free of charge... BUT you are NOT aloud to sell it without express permission from the owner/originator. (it's not quite that simple but that is the short version).
 I know that because I'm a LAMP (Linux Apache Mysql PHP) developer, I build LFS (Linux From Scratch) servers and I used to do a lot of development work within the community.
 After the incident with the IAEC founders 15 months ago, I changed ‘my’ forum rules, I made the forum login required AND I changed the rules to include a GNU GPL disclaimer. EVERYTHING posted on ‘my’ forum comes under the GPL.
 Their is a way to protect your own work if you do not wish others to ‘profit’ from it... BUT you need to get the administrators of your forum to change the rules.


On a side note, the daftman is hard at work and is unavaliable, he will be returning to the FE community at the end of this year start of next. Thats what he said when i spoke to him on the phone in January.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #308 on: March 11, 2013, 11:59:53 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #309 on: March 12, 2013, 12:50:19 AM »
OK BUBBA SERIOUSLY I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU JUST DID THERE! you PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! remove that NOW and properly attribute WHO said WHAT


DEAL WITH IT!

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #310 on: March 12, 2013, 12:56:07 AM »


CW  So,
You had no part in any of this,your work was not involved,you recruited no scientist or inventor to participate in the Open source research .
Seems you fight a bit with those around you when you work "mine mine mine I did it first" Yada yada yada ?
seems the people that you have worked with here do this too.
Hmmm
I completely see your point.........
You don't play well with others !


Thx
Chet



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #310 on: March 12, 2013, 12:56:07 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #311 on: March 12, 2013, 01:00:00 AM »

CW  So,
You had no part in any of this,your work was not involved,you recruited no scientist or inventor to participate in the Open source research .
Seems you fight a bit with those around you when you work "mine mine mine I did it first" Yada yada yada ?
seems the people that you have worked with here do this too.
Hmmm
I completely see your point.........
You don't play well with others !


Thx
Chet

Is that aimed at me?


LOL, never mind, i just read your update...


Ever herd of friendly rivalry? A bit of motivation?


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #312 on: March 12, 2013, 01:10:28 AM »

CWWhat does source code have to do with research that is actively being suppressed at every imaginable level in these forums?
What do people that make there living selling books have to do with a scientist being involved here in an open source research  project?


Your talking about something completely different,I'm talking about suppression and how this community needs to get with it regarding "research" and supporting those that do !


?
Thx
Chet






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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #313 on: March 12, 2013, 01:23:48 AM »
CWWhat does source code have to do with research that is actively being suppressed at every imaginable level in these forums?
What do people that make there living selling books have to do with a scientist being involved here in an open source research  project?

Explain to me how you think its being suppressed? I think i missed your point in this topic.

Your talking about something completely different,I'm talking about suppression and how this community needs to get with it regarding "research" and supporting those that do !


?
Thx
Chet

Part of this topic was about the divide RE what TT is doing... ergo, i was relaying info that is widely used by another open source community that does not suffer (very often) from suppression...

Oh, and i do play nice with others, when their ego's don't get in the way...

But if it's surpression you want to talk about... then why is it my youtube analitics show that someone on this forum posts links to some of my vids, but within hours of doing so, the link and post has been removed...

That IS suppression by a forum that is supposed to be all about sharing and open source ect ect...
Suppression comes in many forms. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean that you have to enforce your opinions on other people...

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #314 on: March 12, 2013, 01:54:31 AM »
Well
I'm not really following you, seems you are trying to get traffic or something?
Well I guess you are a business man who uses the open source community to advance your business edge?
business can be Ruff at times?


And I suppose that goes a long way towards explaining your compassion for the complete stranger to these forums ... the one that is telling unsuspecting investors ,the only place you can get This work is from me Teslatronics??
Not a word about where "he" got it,nor that it can all be had for free here from the guys that did all the work?


Makes some sense now!


But that is not the point here [his low moral standard]
the point is the trickle down sledgehammer effect to Scientists that might have considered contributing here!




Thx
Chet

 

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