Author Topic: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter (Read 285336 times)

DrStiffler · « **Reply #255 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:40:22 PM »

I have little idea why I am making another post here, yet sometimes the pot does indeed boil over.

GBluer 'HAS NOT" Honored the agreement that was understood in the emails of over a year ago. I do recall a YT Video where he stated the design was based on my original work (whatever that means as all is original. I brought the emails to his attention in case he had forgot about the contacts and how upset I was with him for using the term SEC Exciter.

SEC Stands for 'Spatial Energy Coherence' and is not of my invention (the term itself) yet I believe originated from the Optics Field and later was applied to other areas. Looking this up on WiKi might be worth ones time.

My usage of SEC is to coin the relationship of 'Coherence' Point, where energy amplification is apparent.

Now again if this is not clear. I was being nice and giving GBluer an (OUT) if you will. I initiated the the emails to him and we then communicated a basic agreement on what I felt was indeed from me and what was not.

So lets recap, SEC or 'Spatial Energy Coherence' (the term) is not of my creation, nor is the word 'Exciter'. Te circuit and application of a vast number of variations applied to a vast number of applications and being called 'SEC Exciter' is indeed from me.

I left the Forums just for this reason as did I shut down my web site. The Deamons grew to many to be logical to me to continue, period.

I have no idea who this other fellow is, although I did see on YT of his and considered the whole thing a Toy Setup with little practical purpose.

Anyway, NO! it was not a Gentlemans agreement by someone asking permission, I got MAD and after what WAS (I thought) an agreement, the issue should have been settled.

One last thing, Anyone who uses the terms SEC Exciter is in my view claiming Coherence, so you see a tone of people are misusing the term and making believe it is in some way a spin off of my work(S).

ramset · « **Reply #256 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:32:50 PM »

Dr Stiffler
Your post here goes a long way towards clarifying some very important issues to the open source community and the arrangement with scientists who chose to offer help.

Unfortunate your having to close up the Venue,so many young minds have been inspired by your example .[Many still are]

The possibility to learn and think outside the box.

Thx
Chet

slayer007 · « **Reply #257 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:40:05 PM »

Quote from: DrStiffler on March 04, 2013, 05:40:22 PM

I have little idea why I am making another post here, yet sometimes the pot does indeed boil over.

GBluer 'HAS NOT" Honored the agreement that was understood in the emails of over a year ago. I do recall a YT Video where he stated the design was based on my original work (whatever that means as all is original. I brought the emails to his attention in case he had forgot about the contacts and how upset I was with him for using the term SEC Exciter.

SEC Stands for 'Spatial Energy Coherence' and is not of my invention (the term itself) yet I believe originated from the Optics Field and later was applied to other areas. Looking this up on WiKi might be worth ones time.

My usage of SEC is to coin the relationship of 'Coherence' Point, where energy amplification is apparent.

Now again if this is not clear. I was being nice and giving GBluer an (OUT) if you will. I initiated the the emails to him and we then communicated a basic agreement on what I felt was indeed from me and what was not.

So lets recap, SEC or 'Spatial Energy Coherence' (the term) is not of my creation, nor is the word 'Exciter'. Te circuit and application of a vast number of variations applied to a vast number of applications and being called 'SEC Exciter' is indeed from me.

I left the Forums just for this reason as did I shut down my web site. The Deamons grew to many to be logical to me to continue, period.

I have no idea who this other fellow is, although I did see on YT of his and considered the whole thing a Toy Setup with little practical purpose.

Anyway, NO! it was not a Gentlemans agreement by someone asking permission, I got MAD and after what WAS (I thought) an agreement, the issue should have been settled.

One last thing, Anyone who uses the terms SEC Exciter is in my view claiming Coherence, so you see a tone of people are misusing the term and making believe it is in some way a spin off of my work(S).

Sorry Dr Stiffler, But I never referred to this circuit as a SEC Exciter. It was also refered to as a Slayer Exciter because the way it excites the enviroment around it.
Not one of my video have I ever refered to this as a SEC Exciter.

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #258 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:43:58 PM »

Quote from: Ramset

you are clueless to what keeps this flowing..............

It's looking more and more suspiciously like
this may be your "Day Job."

Ramset=Agitator for Pay

; Disruptor Extraordinaire

Keeping this "flowing" is your assignment.

Quote from: slayer007

It was also refered to as a Slayer Exciter because the way it excites the enviroment around it.

The "excitation" of the near environment
is in truth the Induction Field produced by
the Tesla Resonator. This is a characteristic
of all Tesla Coils.

ramset · « **Reply #259 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:05:14 PM »

Ahhh
SM
I see you are a follower of Dr.Stifflers work!!
Very good that qualifies you completely!!

Regarding the day job comment,
I wish...
Men like yourself and RF AND TT doing everything within your power to destroy relationships like this between
contributing scientists and this community ensures the flow remains clogged up.
Your latest Comment on the Tesla tower as it applies to Dr.Stifflers work and what is actually
going on here is another good example of how this work gets sidetracked and stiffled all the time.

Very Nice Job SM

Or did you think Slayer corresponds with the DR. to light bulbs from Tesla towers?
Thats your interpretation of Whats going on here?
Thats the research you believe is being discussed here??

[size=78%]Thx[/size]
Chet
PS
I see your friend is doing very well with his pound of flesh,the investors remain clueless
but Hey thats the american way and apparently it is also Kickstarters way!!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/398893778/teslatronix-tesla-power-for-the-masses?ref=category

No wonder we are so cherished around the world ,it is our terrific example!!
Every man for himself !!!

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #260 on:** March 05, 2013, 08:33:11 AM »

Quote from: Ramset

Men like yourself and RF AND TT doing everything
within your power to destroy relationships like this
between contributing scientists and this community
ensures the flow remains clogged up.

Quite the contrary! Those within the Community are
free to cultivate whatever relationships with whomever
they may choose.

The flow of "information" only becomes "clogged up" when
certain parties choose to either withhold details or decide
not to release anything at all. Of course that is their right
and no-one should feel compelled to do anything they do
not want to. Whether or not to reveal research data is
completely up to the experimenter.

No experimenter should be made to feel that they have any
sort of obligation to reveal anything at all to the community.

For my own part, I do not rely in any way upon anything which
is revealed in any forum by any experimenter. While the present
discussion is somewhat interesting because many are re-discovering
electromagnetic phenomena, there is nothing new here. Some of us
have been playing with this stuff since the '50s. Thanks to the
advances in modern semiconductor devices it has never been easier
to make low powered Self-OscillatingTesla Coils.

I must add, however, that Dr. Stiffler has indeed made some very
interesting and important discoveries which make unorthodox use
of established technology. He has revealed considerable detail about
his work and may (or may not) reveal more. But he should in no way
feel that he is obligated to reveal anything at all.

Quote from: Ramset

Comment on the Tesla tower as it applies to Dr.Stiffler's
work and what is actually going on here is another good
example of how this work gets sidetracked and stiffled
all the time.

That was only for the benefit of any who may be wondering
what makes the Tesla Coil tick - what accounts for the
intense induction field which extends out some distance from
the Tesla Resonator. It may (or it may not) have anything at
all to do with Dr. Stiffler's work. Only those who are confused
or who do not understand Tesla Resonance would be side-tracked.

I'd recommend that all experimenters build at least one small
Tesla Coil (without high voltage spark-gaps) to explore the
remarkable properties of low powered induction fields.

Those who provide reasonably priced kits to make this sort of
experimentation possible may be doing a great service to the
scientific advancement of the Community. Those who charge
an Arm-and-a-Leg for their kits are striving to exploit the gullible.

Experimenters must learn to be economical. There is no need to
wastefully spend a lot of money for anything to further their
understanding. Those who cannibalize old electronic devices to
salvage useful parts have the very best idea.

Rfacts · « **Reply #261 on:** March 05, 2013, 08:41:30 AM »

slayer007:

I recalled you having some SEC exciter videos when I read through Dr. Stiffler’s last post. You do have some from a few years back that include SEC or SEC Exciter in the video titles. I took a look at a couple that were replications of Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter work. I also viewed a short one with a title that drew my attention: SEC Exiter wireless power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU2V-tRWR-E

This video does not mention Dr. Stiffler in your video narration, title, description or posted comments - don't know about all others. Unintended, but could Dr. Stiffler be referring to all videos not just the ones with Slayer exciter?

I was mainly following up with you because you’ve stated your position about not using the term ‘SEC exciter’ and your use of the word ‘exciter’ but why haven’t you clearly addressed whether you think Dr. Stiffler deserves any credit for using the SEC exciter design in the Slayer exciter circuit? I’ve previously asked you about this and Dr. Stiffler brought this to your attention on post#240 and post#255. I’m frankly puzzled by this, my only intention is to give credit where credit is due. I’ve closely followed Dr. Stiffler’s work, I respect him and his work and I’m grateful for what he has openly offered and sold and what I have learned.

These are the events that recently occurred which originally led me to ask questions about who deserves credit:
-----
1. ‘TT Fraudster’ video was posted on numerous YT channels which claimed that TT is not the inventor, not the creator and has stolen all of GBluer’s work, that GBluer is not mentioned on any of his videos, and that TT is claiming all of GBluer’s research.

2. There was an outcry from some GBluer followers that the Slayer exciter was stolen from GBluer and is being marketed to make money when GBluer had made a conditional statement that it was for private non-profit use when he publicly shared it.

3. GBluer claimed credit by posting that he originally posted the Slayer exciter circuit which TT was using on OverUnity forum > GBluer(Slayer) Exciter > Page 5 (post#66).
-----

Based on my knowledge and experience with Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter and variants I looked at the Slayer exciter circuit that you posted on page 5 of this thread and could see it was a SEC exciter design. So I wondered why Dr. Stiffler was not mentioned by you or TT. It’s really that simple. This is a reasonable question to ask and the longer you go without providing a clear answer the odder it looks. Who or what could be hurt by giving credit where credit is due?

Are you taking the position that Dr. Stiffler deserves no credit for any part of the Slayer exciter circuit that you referred to on post#168>(post#66) of this thread?

ramset · « **Reply #262 on:** March 05, 2013, 09:59:50 AM »

To the recently created entity with the agenda of Taking others open source research and selling it
at online venues to unsuspecting contributers.

known as RFacts

We are discussing outsiders such as yourself coming in and taking the open source research of others and selling it for their own benefit!

Which intern leaves the community completely void of contribution at the Scientific research level
and ultimately places many more people at risk of personal injury or harm do to playing instead of following safer protocol.
you RFacts represent a very selfish and self centered "wheres the money" path typical to whats wrong with your whole Lawyer whanabee mentality.

You have no place playing judge here ,you have zero credibility defending teslatronics money grab
for decades of opensource research that was simply not for sale ....

Where is your credibility here,your friends ask you to find the holes so Kickstarter won't pull the
the funds for the theft project??
how much are they paying you??

A 3rd grader could make a better argument,,,you come off as a 12 yr old making up stories and
trying to twist history into some
BUT I WANT IT MOMMY story...........

Get over it bud ............

Or I tell you what take that silly Cap... off and show us who you really are if you say you have followed Stifflers work here ?
men that hide behind fake monikers come accross as children ultimately because they really are children.
you most certainly act like an un greatful little brat.......

face up mr. or talk to yourself!!!!!!!!!
Slayer
this child is a meddling putz he is so clueless to how this works that he is completely oblivious to the fact SEC exciter is synonymous in this community for ""EVER"" with the DR. and by naming it that WE KNOW IT!!
I could stack appreciative fellows from here to allentown PA .
you never put a price to this you always shared your hard work,I am proud to have you here!

I hope you can get this strait with Stiffler,but this BOY does not care for any of this he looks to
help his friends in Allentown.......

Or perhaps he stalks the forum for other opportunities ??

Of one thing you can be certain

he does this community no good nor does he wish it well.

the waterchimp just might be a good guy.[short sighted tho]

Rfacts · « **Reply #263 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:36:06 PM »

ramset can’t help but to turn a blind eye to inconvenient facts. He is the self appointed blind eyed leader and spokesperson who can not carry on a well reasoned discussion. His significance diminishes with every irrational post, his unsubstantiated comments mean nothing.

When reading through ramset’s irrational ramblings and diatribes ask yourself this:

1. How does driving away someone like Dr. Stiffler, by not giving him his due credit, help the open source community?
It can only hurt it by totally losing Dr. Stiffler and maybe others like him who see what is going on here with GBluer withholding the acknowledgement of his obvious use of Dr. Stiffler’s work and not giving him the credit that’s due.

2. How can acknowledging the obvious fact that the Slayer exciter circuit in question is using Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter design help Teslatronix when he is supposedly using the same Slayer exciter circuit?
Teslatronix would need to acknowledge and give the same credit that’s due to Dr. Stiffler.

3. How can an open source community hold together when double standards are allowed to openly go on and are even practiced by some ‘hero’ members?
There was an out cry from some that Teslatronix was using GBluer’s work with out giving him credit and it would be justified if that is the case. But where is the out cry that GBluer is using Dr. Stiffler’s work and not giving him credit when that is in fact the case? Money is not the main issue when there is a moral and fundamental principle involved. It is a more serious offense but money does not have to be involved to be considered a 'taker'. Anyone can confirm for themselves by reviewing post#235.

4. What is more helpful to the community: objective, well reasoned, and fact based discussions or irrational, 'holier than thou', biased, and unsubstantiated rants?

"One should not jump to conclusions before they have all of the facts and should not assume they know more than someone they don’t know, nor should they make bad assumptions about the intentions of others."

ramset · « **Reply #264 on:** March 05, 2013, 02:06:34 PM »

I See Now
I have worked with the disabled before ,spent many hours of my life their also.
and That work is an ongoing part of my life.
I am sorry this is all very hard to put right in your head, Many others have come before you
with similar issues.
As an open source forum the doors are open to all and as reasonable people we must recognize
this.

Thank you Rfacts for "your facts"
With all sincerity

Chet

PS

Seems a lesson to all ,if we say we want to help a scientist and welcome him into the community
please make sure you maintain a correspondence with that scientist and always do the right thing.
make sure he /she likes how things are moving forward,don't expect them to baby sit the work.

Always be accountable to you word !

We do not sell open source research ,that's no part of the "deal" to share!
This kinda crap will keep springing up until the end of days unless we excersice Brutal honesty
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/398893778/teslatronix-tesla-power-for-the-masses?ref=c

slayer007 · « **Reply #265 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:07:03 PM »

RFacts the video you showed is a replication of Dr Stifflers sec 15 exciter, so yes the video was called sec exciter.

When I first noticed the slayer exciter I was working with a air core joule thief, And noticed when the end with the resistor was disconnected it would stay running.
I then added a resistor so it would auto start and later on I added a diode to help with performance.
Here is a comment from Dr Stiffler at the EF forum when he was trying to help me with a self runner.
@Slayer
Depending on you circuit which is very different than mine, it is hard to compare results, yet I will give you some spec's.

With a 3F cap, the charge rate is ~100mV/Sec. This is self limiting as the voltage gets to a certain point into my Exciter the current leaves linear increase which pulls back
down the charge. The circuit will then oscillate between to to set points.

With the voltages you are seeing I think the diurnal effect will kill it off.

The basic slayer exciters origins were from a joule thief.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #266 on:** March 06, 2013, 07:39:28 AM »

Quote from: slayer007 on March 05, 2013, 04:07:03 PM

The basic slayer exciters origins were from a joule thief.

This is exactly correct.

Bill

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #267 on:** March 06, 2013, 08:01:42 AM »

It would be most interesting to see the
waveshape and frequency analysis for
the three circuits:

1. Typical Joule Thief

2. "Slayer" Exciter

3. Self-Oscillating Low Power Tesla Coil

The waveshapes at the respective Bases of
the individual transistors; the waveshapes
at the Collectors of the respective transistors;
and the waveshape at the output terminal
of each respective circuit; in addition to the
frequency of oscillation of the respective
circuits.

Perhaps a comparative evaluation would
shed light on the matter.

What specifically about the "Joule Thief" is
considered to be the "origin" of the "Slayer"
exciter?

ramset · « **Reply #268 on:** March 06, 2013, 02:22:08 PM »

Oh Wet One....
It is a path ,in this particular case things began for Slayer [and many others] playing with the jule thief
yes I know "its been around Forever " .

So what?? ,Well the open source research community [the one that shares and leaves the door unlocked] Plays with this little "machine" quite a bit,
some folks who started perhaps on similar paths at one time in their life wander in and share their ideas and "what Ifs" with this fun loving group of "what if" fellows.
Sometimes a scientist that recognizes the camaraderie and friendly sharing attitude of this group
will think he see's something special in them [the group] and share his own little secrets!
The door is always open of course and sometimes others standing around are not so benevolent as the group mind set ,they percieve them as naive, How come all the other houses on the block have their doors locked [copy this rite that patent yada yada yada...] and these guys leave the door open??

All their stuff must be free??? I Don't have to ask then ....wow no locks on the door???
thats the secret here!!! there is no secret it belongs to all ,just take and run!!

@@ Chet interjects "Oh what is that word they all like to use" its on the tip of my tongue??
.....................
Oh thats right OPEN SOURCE
its all Open source stuff

"free stuff for the taking""

Welcome to our world ,there are no locks here.
They say you can tell what a man really is when you see what he does when no one is looking..........[or so he thinks]

So to answer your round about "whats all the fuss about"
there's nothing special here??

Just like your friend Rfacts and others
You can't see the forest for the trees..........

Its not about the stupid thousand year old circuit
its all about the people..

[size=78%]Later[/size]
Chet
PS
here is the Taker now,no one here knows him he just wandered in one day and saw a chance to take

[size=78%]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/398893778/teslatronix-tesla-power-for-the-masses?ref=c[/size]

Its all about the people ,and what they do.........[or not]

Oh, I brought Rfacts a present [a peace offering]

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #269 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:27:12 PM »

Quote from: Ramset

Its all about the people ,and what they do.........[or not]

Aye, and so it is!

And what would you propose as a solution?

We can either have "hissy fits" when things
happen or we can act with maturity.

It's not called "The School of Hard Knocks" for
no reason.

We live and we learn. We can let anger and
resentment dominate our lives or we can
choose the path of sanity and serenity.

Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you. No matter what.

No sense crying over spilled milk.

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