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Author Topic: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter  (Read 248690 times)

Offline Kultus

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #225 on: February 23, 2013, 07:35:22 AM »
I watched your video end to end ...  and Hurrah hurrah... there is 3 different circuit to the one being discussed... seriously pay attention to what you are about to say before you open your mouth (press enter on your keyboard) ... these attempts are becoming more and more pathetic at trying to disprove what is being said ... 


similarities don't count....


TT's is a direct copy of Gbluers ... so if you cannot find me another person, again with references showing me a date and circuit the same as Gbluers and predates it, then you have nothing ...

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #225 on: February 23, 2013, 07:35:22 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #226 on: February 23, 2013, 08:33:24 AM »
Slayer has been such a great member here sharing his research and discoveries in an open source environment I can't believe someone is attempting to rip his ideas off to make a profit.  Perhaps it is legal to do so, perhaps not...I am not an attorney.  It is NOT moral to do so for sure.

What goes around comes around.  Slayer is a great guy and has done a tremendous amount for this community.   I have learned a lot from him, and I thank him for all of his efforts.

Bill

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #227 on: February 23, 2013, 08:47:14 AM »
After all that has been said and done
Ou and EF and Iaec had their views read

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE NEXT SLAYER OR NEWBIE THAT SPARKED INTEREST IN the community
Is open source needed to be redefined among members
Aaron has started one on Open Source Issue
Can we start here also
Being public or private in you tube and what steps for non disclosure issue must we addresse in the future   ?????
Just some questions that need your attention


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #227 on: February 23, 2013, 08:47:14 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #228 on: February 23, 2013, 12:07:01 PM »

Here is the rest of the story
We are not speaking about a circuit ..........
Kickstarter show cases artists
 
In this particular circumstance we are talking about a "star" Albeit an undiscovered star. [oh how the world loves that story !:'}
  And this is EXACTLY how to proceed, See in this case there is more to Slayer than a circuit, think about the rest of the story?
 Right here right now our vision for the future is being formed
by the men in these forums.
[
A circuit, a piano, What ever you use to make your music !
     
Oh this thing is gonna get some legs............

The world loves a good story
And this is a good one ,it has all the bits and pieces.

Thx
Chet
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 03:13:57 PM by ramset »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #229 on: February 23, 2013, 01:09:39 PM »
My first build ever was the Slayer Exciter!
Thank you for sharing your circuits and knowledge! You have helped me a lot in starting on this journey.
As for TT, well, he's digging his own grave...

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #229 on: February 23, 2013, 01:09:39 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #230 on: February 23, 2013, 03:05:47 PM »
kultus:
  If you don't see any similarities, it's because you are blindly flapping away. Look again.
Slayer also has several different circuits, not just one. If you really knew what you are talking about you'd see that, but you obviously don't.
  It doesn't matter to us who you think you are, to tell us to shut up, you may as well not post. Nobody on this or other forums wants to hear your comments.
  Do you own homework... better yet, don't come back.

« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 06:15:32 PM by NickZ »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #231 on: February 23, 2013, 05:28:02 PM »
Rodelu
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My first build ever was the Slayer Exciter!Thank you for sharing your circuits and knowledge! You have helped me a lot in starting on this journey.


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See that's what some would call gratitude!!,


Welcome to our community,we have a vision for the future .....




Thx
Chet




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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #231 on: February 23, 2013, 05:28:02 PM »
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Re: For The Record - GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #232 on: March 01, 2013, 10:37:06 AM »
I’m posting this for the record because this is no small matter.  There is a copyrighted document by Dr. Stiffler that includes a schematic of one of his SEC exciters which clearly proves that the so called Slayer exciter is a very close variation of Dr. Stiffler's SEC exciter circuit.  The document I’m referring to starts by stating “Beginning in 2001 Dr. Stiffler began exploring special oscillators of his design….  This document can’t be legally posted and I don’t know if there is a link to it but Dr. Stiffler just uploaded a video of a 2 Coil Electrolyzer that includes SEC exciter schematic.  At 3:10 in the video, as Dr. Stiffler goes over the circuit he states "This is a standard configuration for a SEC exciter.”.  Over the years Dr. Stiffler has used his SEC exciter circuit in various configurations, this is just the latest:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRk-J6-OeWs
 
I captured an image from Dr. Stiffler’s video of his SEC exciter schematic and have attached it along with GBluer’s exciter circuit from page 5 post#66 of this thread, in one of his very few and brief postings about this issue GBluer stated that this was the circuit that TeslaTronix was using.  When I went back to double check that I was accurately posting this information I found that on page 4 post#59 of this thread GBluer posted the following:
 
“This video is to show how you can use two diodes and one LED for a indicator light for your exiter.
It helps with tunning and hepls protect the A.

Dr Stiffler uses it in his SEC 18 series and it also works very good with this circuit.”
 
GBluer was clearly and openly following and using Dr. Stiffler’s work.  In the following video, GBluer starts by stating that Dr. Stiffler uses the two diodes and LED to make an indicator light.  Dr. Stiffler’s primary reason for using the two diodes and LED at the base of the transistor is not to provide an indicator light, GBluer later removed the LED in his experimental circuit.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naN-cLCgDyY
 
Not only did the basic exciter circuit and the two 1N4148 diodes at the base of the transistor come from Dr. Stiffler’s circuit but GBluer also used the same MPSA06 NPN transistor, 1 megohm resistor and referred to it as an exciter circuit.  GBluer only removed the series LC tuning circuit that was in parallel to the two diodes and LED in Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter circuit and experimented with different configurations of the same circuit. 
 
Knowing this, how can GBluer be objectively considered the original inventor of this exciter circuit?  As SeaMonkey and others have rightly pointed out, the burden of proof is/was on GBluer to prove that he was the original inventor.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that he wouldn’t have made it through the patent process if he had tried.  GBluer can’t have it both ways: Imply he is giving away the exciter circuit that he is experimenting with by sharing it in the public domain and also try to retain the rights to something he never proved was his to begin with.
 
GBluer has remained very quiet about this.  Instead others, especially Kultus (DesertExperimenter), have represented him very badly with some verifiable lies and exaggerations that I detailed in my post#210 on this thread.  How about we not attack someone before fully investigating the facts and not try to put a stop to someone, like some might argue ‘Big Oil’ would do, by using lies, exaggerations, double standards and safety issues.
 
Let’s give well deserved credit to Dr. Stiffler, whose work this originates from and credit the others as variations of his exciter circuit when applicable.
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #233 on: March 01, 2013, 02:18:04 PM »
RF
You Highlight some facts ??


Here's a good one, Folks like Stiffler come here to help the community ,{he thought we were a community}
he shares parts of his work hoping to inspire men of like mind ,as well as teach.


Its a fragile relationship but it has been moving along.


Unless I missed the part where Slayer has been "TRYING" to financially benefit at the cost of Stifflers good will?

TT brings a" brick"[to the fragile] and some change to this community,sometimes Change is good !

it can really shine a light!!


THX
Chet
PS
I must note this whole concept seems like another language to the "TAKERS"....
Taking is Oh so easy sometimes ....
However,the "givers" do pay attention !!

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #233 on: March 01, 2013, 02:18:04 PM »
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Re: For The Record - GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #234 on: March 01, 2013, 03:23:42 PM »
I’m posting this for the record because this is no small matter.  There is a copyrighted document by Dr. Stiffler that includes a schematic of one of his SEC exciters which clearly proves that the so called Slayer exciter is a very close variation of Dr. Stiffler's SEC exciter circuit.  The document I’m referring to starts by stating “Beginning in 2001 Dr. Stiffler began exploring special oscillators of his design….  This document can’t be legally posted and I don’t know if there is a link to it but Dr. Stiffler just uploaded a video of a 2 Coil Electrolyzer that includes SEC exciter schematic.  At 3:10 in the video, as Dr. Stiffler goes over the circuit he states "This is a standard configuration for a SEC exciter.”.  Over the years Dr. Stiffler has used his SEC exciter circuit in various configurations, this is just the latest:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRk-J6-OeWs
 
I captured an image from Dr. Stiffler’s video of his SEC exciter schematic and have attached it along with GBluer’s exciter circuit from page 5 post#66 of this thread, in one of his very few and brief postings about this issue GBluer stated that this was the circuit that TeslaTronix was using.  When I went back to double check that I was accurately posting this information I found that on page 4 post#59 of this thread GBluer posted the following:
 
“This video is to show how you can use two diodes and one LED for a indicator light for your exiter.
It helps with tunning and hepls protect the A.

Dr Stiffler uses it in his SEC 18 series and it also works very good with this circuit.”
 
GBluer was clearly and openly following and using Dr. Stiffler’s work.  In the following video, GBluer starts by stating that Dr. Stiffler uses the two diodes and LED to make an indicator light.  Dr. Stiffler’s primary reason for using the two diodes and LED at the base of the transistor is not to provide an indicator light, GBluer later removed the LED in his experimental circuit.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naN-cLCgDyY
 
Not only did the basic exciter circuit and the two 1N4148 diodes at the base of the transistor come from Dr. Stiffler’s circuit but GBluer also used the same MPSA06 NPN transistor, 1 megohm resistor and referred to it as an exciter circuit.  GBluer only removed the series LC tuning circuit that was in parallel to the two diodes and LED in Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter circuit and experimented with different configurations of the same circuit. 
 
Knowing this, how can GBluer be objectively considered the original inventor of this exciter circuit?  As SeaMonkey and others have rightly pointed out, the burden of proof is/was on GBluer to prove that he was the original inventor.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that he wouldn’t have made it through the patent process if he had tried.  GBluer can’t have it both ways: Imply he is giving away the exciter circuit that he is experimenting with by sharing it in the public domain and also try to retain the rights to something he never proved was his to begin with.
 
GBluer has remained very quiet about this.  Instead others, especially Kultus (DesertExperimenter), have represented him very badly with some verifiable lies and exaggerations that I detailed in my post#210 on this thread.  How about we not attack someone before fully investigating the facts and not try to put a stop to someone, like some might argue ‘Big Oil’ would do, by using lies, exaggerations, double standards and safety issues.
 
Let’s give well deserved credit to Dr. Stiffler, whose work this originates from and credit the others as variations of his exciter circuit when applicable.

 
RFacts the only thing in your post your right about is I am a big fan of Dr Stiffler and his work.
If you would have taken the time to build the two circuits before you posted you would see they are nothing alike.
The only similarities they have is how they both excite the environment  around them hence the name exciter.
The way the transistor is triggered, the coil arrangement the only similarities is the name exciter and how they excite the environment.
 
PS Chet and others Thank You for your kind post.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #235 on: March 03, 2013, 06:59:25 AM »
slayer007:

« Reply #234 on: 3/1/13 at 06:23:42 AM »
“If you would have taken the time to build the two circuits before you posted you would see they are nothing alike.  The only similarities they have is how they both excite the environment around them hence the name exciter.“
 
I purchased SEC exciters from Dr. Stiffler when he made them available.  I’m also trained in electronics, but you don’t have to be to see the obvious ‘similarity’ between Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter circuit and yours.  It is more accurate to state that when comparing these exciter circuits and components, they are not ‘similar’ they are the same:

Dr. Stiffler’s SEC Exciter                                              GBluer’s Slayer Exciter
(single transistor circuit)                                             (single transistor circuit)
Emitter has direct DC path to (-)                                      Same
Base has one megohm resistor to (+)                              Same
Collector has DC path to (+) thru L2 coil                          Same
Two diodes and LED between base and emitter             Same (LED optional)
One MPSA06 NPN transistor per previous video              Same
Two 1N4148 diodes per previous video                           Same
 
When comparing the component connections of your single transistor exciter to Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter you will find that they are exactly the same.  All you did was connect two unterminated coils, one at the emitter and one at the base, to Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter circuit and removed the series LC tuning circuit from the transistor base.  Are you claiming that the Slayer exciter circuit which you publicly posted is your invention because of how you connected two unterminated coils to Dr. Stiffler’s SEC exciter circuit? 
 
Since you acknowledge that you have followed Dr. Stiffler’s work and are a fan, I don’t understand why you have not realized that the exciter circuits are the same with a variation in coil configuration.  Maybe you aren’t familiar with Dr. Stiffler’s other SEC exciter configurations since he does copyright his documents.  Now that Dr. Stiffler has publicly posted the schematic of the latest configuration of his SEC exciter circuit anyone interested can see the standard SEC exciter that he has configured in various ways over the years, he only posted his latest performing a unique electrolyzer function which is running against Faraday's first law.
 
« Reply #234 on: 3/1/13 at 06:23:42 AM »
 “RFacts the only thing in your post your right about is I am a big fan of Dr Stiffler and his work.”
 
Not only did I provide you the above list of all that I had right about your exciter circuit being the same but wasn’t I also right about the verifiable lies and exaggerations that Kultus (DesertExperimenter) has been spreading about TeslaTronix, regardless of whether you agree with TT’s actions or not?
 
I don’t know you but you seem like a decent guy pursuing a similar goal and I hope you are successful.  I’m sure you would agree that credit should go where credit is due, so I don’t think you would knowingly claim something that was not yours.  I have learned more from Dr. Stiffler than I have from anyone else on the internet through his forum posts, videos, previous web site, downloaded/purchased Scribd documents, and the SEC exciters with documentation that I purchased from him.  I’m addressing the facts about your exciter circuit that came to light due to the Kultus irrational rant video.  I was primarily annoyed by the smear campaign that others have resorted to in trying to support you.  If it wasn’t for Kultus and his recruitment of accomplices to spread his lies and exaggerations I may not have found out about this controversy or posted here to begin with. His slanderous videos are still running on various YT channels, he could have supported you without resorting to smear.  If anyone running his ‘TT Fraudster Assassination’ video thinks they have a winning argument why don’t they just present the facts in a way that helps more than hurts you?  I would take the same stand if someone attacked you or someone else in the same irrational manner.
 
If you thought you were the original inventor of this exciter circuit and you were planning to retain rights to it why didn’t you go through the patent process to prove you were the original inventor?  You don’t come across as credible about this when you don’t acknowledge what any objective reviewer can see as being the same between these exciter circuits.  I’m a rational man, if I get something wrong I’ll stand corrected but I do expect supporting evidence.
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #235 on: March 03, 2013, 06:59:25 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #236 on: March 03, 2013, 08:24:55 AM »
ramset:
 
Do you prefer to be a part of a subgroup in this community that turns a blind eye to inconvenient facts?  Why are you attempting to switch the argument, is it because you can’t argue the facts about the exciter circuits or do you not care to know?  Kultus took me down this road with his lies and exaggerations and statements about the Slayer exciter circuit.  I don’t know TeslaTronix and think he didn’t handle this right but he has a legal right to pursue his business venture and it does not change the facts I’ve addressed about the exciter circuits. 
 
This is primarily a scientific minded community, so why ignore or dismiss facts just because they don’t help your goal or cause?  Or even worse, why allow someone to make up their own facts by resorting to lies, exaggerations and double standards.  This is what annoys me the most.  Your subjective bias comes through when you let others do this without directly addressing them publicly, especially since you are an outspoken ‘hero’ member.  You don’t seem to have a problem with directly addressing those that are not on the same side of the issue.  The reason I first posted here was because I was not going to be part of this subgroup, I addressed Kultus directly about his easily verifiable lies and exaggerations and he didn’t respond to disagree.  He could have supported GBluer without resorting to smear which I think has hurt him more than helped him.  Do you agree with his irrational approach of mixing in lies to see what would stick and titling his smear video ‘TT Fraudster Assassination’ when he didn’t have all the facts about the exciter circuit?
 
If you pick and choose facts here, you’re likely to pick and choose facts over there, and soon this mind set creeps into experimental work.  This is the kind of thing that turns off members and visitors as they read through forums.  To hold someone like Kultus to a different standard just because you are on the same side of this issue is disgraceful.  I would rather keep to myself pursuing the facts and applying them consistently, learning and contributing what I can, but I couldn’t just turn a blind eye to this kind of irrational behavior.  How can wrong be done to an open source project if the circuit in question did not belong to the claimant to begin with?  Wouldn't you want to make sure you got it right when valid questions are raised?  This is no small matter for various reasons.  As I’ve stated before, if I get something wrong I’ll stand corrected but I do expect a well reasoned argument with convincing facts and not general ‘feel good’ ‘holier then thou’ type comments about altruistic causes.
 
One should not jump to conclusions before they have all of the facts and should not assume that they know more than the other, nor should they make bad assumptions about the intentions of others.
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #237 on: March 03, 2013, 08:43:02 AM »
RF
Are you an attorney whanabee looking for a clear path thru Slayers Art form and life long example of A life lived and dedication to serving his fellow man?


What    ?    you want some one to tell you its all right to Steal from the givers and say F---You?


I see that you have asked for tutorials on how to build certain things here ?
Are you a bird of a feather?


Sir ,How you choose to live is your free will.Do not think for an instant that you could ever justify the actions of these Takers from this Good Samaritan.


You do you    Bud!


Fair thee well..............


Chet   

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #238 on: March 03, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »
There you have it, ramset may not only prefer to be a member of the subgroup but may want to be their leader and spokesperson.  I alerted about jumping to conclusions and ‘holier than thou’ response but ramset still couldn’t help but provide an irrational rambling diatribe that includes bad assumptions.  Not what you would expect from a helpful supporter.
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #239 on: March 03, 2013, 01:56:49 PM »
RF
If I lived in a world where men were working against an adversary that let their children die in wars
and all was about money and control.


If I needed Help in that struggle fear not RF you would be the last to be asked for help.


You don't see any problems at all with what TT has done ,as well as you print lies to bolster your claim.
Chet wants to lead What?


...........
You have a passion ,one which seems to be oblivious to the plight as well as right and wrong!


I am sorry I can not sit and talk with you,and I have no time to waste typing.
If you want to help in this struggle spend some time Giving......


And less time whining!


Thx
Chet
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