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Offline slayer007

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #105 on: December 07, 2010, 09:46:43 PM »
My last test I let the Exciter run for 15 hours before turning it off.
The voltage in the battery was 1.1v after running 15 hours and lighting the 39 led's.

For this test I removed the Sgate and added an AV plug to the bottom of the second tower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-MerBB2XCs

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« Reply #105 on: December 07, 2010, 09:46:43 PM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #106 on: December 08, 2010, 09:40:00 AM »

What is discussed here is not new. It is related to "Avramenko's single wire transmission", known for years.
Whatever conductor, like the terminal of a neon or any piece of metal, possesses its own capacity, i.e it constitutes a capacitor, the other "plate" being the surrounding (ground, earth...)
Even though this capacity is very weak (<< 1pF), it loops the circuit, and the voltage can be enough to light a neon, or to charge a capacitor using a double diode configuration. Current is consumed. I have also experimented this way and measured such a current which obeys conventional Kirchoff's laws.
You can check it by connecting a piece of metal to the free neon terminal. It will change the intensity of light by increasing the parasitic capacity, thus the current.

This setup is typically a trap for newbies in electronics because they model it by neglecting what makes it to function!
"Light, and no current because the circuit is open! I get free energy!"  :D
False!  :(
In real life, the components are not punctual and they are not isolated from one another by light years distances. Even simple small pieces of wire are coupled by capacities or by induction and significant current can pass from one to another if the voltage and/or frequency is high enough.



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2010, 08:07:42 PM »
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What is discussed here is not new. It is related to "Avramenko's single wire transmission", known for years.
Whatever conductor, like the terminal of a neon or any piece of metal, possesses its own capacity, i.e it constitutes a capacitor, the other "plate" being the surrounding (ground, earth...)
I would agree in a general sense but you have used the terminology in such a way that it makes no sense whatsoever. For instance a piece of metal cannot possess it's own capacity as what we call capacity refers to energy in the form of an electric field between two things measured in volts/cm. The voltage refers to the relative difference in the charged state of the two things thus the capacity is not intrinsic to the metal object but everything else having a charged state which is different from the metal object as well. In most cases this is not the ground or earth but the air surrounding a metal object which contains water vapor. Most of your assumptions will only hold true if the circuit is grounded which I have found is a very good way to lower efficiency.

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Even though this capacity is very weak (<< 1pF), it loops the circuit, and the voltage can be enough to light a neon, or to charge a capacitor using a double diode configuration. Current is consumed. I have also experimented this way and measured such a current which obeys conventional Kirchoff's laws.
In fact the "capacity" can be very large as it relates to the difference between two charged states and the distance between them, capacity cannot be weak nor strong, and does not have a requirement to "loop" any circuit. For instance if I charge a length of conductor then what we call the "voltage" in any given space relates to the charged state of the conductor and any other point in space which includes both conductors and insulators. The capacitance is then a ratio of the relative charged state of the conductor to the magnitude of the electrical field produced by it in a relative sense to everything else.
As well I do not understand this concept of "Current being consumed" as an electric current is the result of a change in the relative difference between two charged states or for the sake of simplicity the motion of charges due to a change in charge density. As such "current" cannot be consumed as the current is simply a measure of something, how can a measurement of relative motion be consumed? In fact the only thing which has occurred is that the charge imbalance has returned to ambient conditions, nothing is consumed.

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This setup is typically a trap for newbies in electronics because they model it by neglecting what makes it to function!
"Light, and no current because the circuit is open! I get free energy!"  :D
False!  :(
In real life, the components are not punctual and they are not isolated from one another by light years distances. Even simple small pieces of wire are coupled by capacities or by induction and significant current can pass from one to another if the voltage and/or frequency is high enough.
This setup can be a trap for experts as well especially when they start making assumptions based on conventional wisdom. You forgot to mention the little fact that if the rate of change of charge density on a conductor is sufficiently high then a wave like disturbance may result which propogates away from the source which produced it and becomes independent from it. In this case the conductor acts more like a point charge than a conductor and most everything you have mentioned falls apart as it does not apply.
Regards
AC
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 12:30:24 AM by allcanadian »

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« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2010, 08:07:42 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2010, 09:40:34 AM »
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For instance a piece of metal cannot possess it's own capacity...

False.
In physics, it is considered that at an infinite distance we have no charge: the electric field is zero.
Thus if a single body is charged, it is possible to calculate its capacity and it is easy to do it if its geometry is regular, the simplest being a sphere.

For example consider an isolated conducting sphere having a charge Q.
Electric field at infinity: Ei=0
Electric field at the surface of the sphere: Es=Q/(4*π*ε0*r2) where r is the radius.

The potential difference U being the integral of the field, we just have to integrate Q/(4*π*ε0*r2) along any path between r and infinity, which gives: U=Q/(4*π*ε0*r).
To derive the capacity C of this isolated sphere is straightforward:
C= Q/U = 1/(4*π*ε0*r).

In layman terms, any conducting body is to be considered as the central electrode of a capacitor whose the other electrode is a conducting sphere surrounding the first one at an infinite distance.
In conclusion: a single isolated body possesses a capacity and it is the reason of the effect that we observe here. The "free" neon terminal conducts the current to the surrounding through this capacity. The surrounding is to be understood as all the conducting matter around it such the cases of other devices at a ground potential or the ground itself, which in fact is much nearer than infinity, meaning that the real capacity is more than that calculated by the preceding method, increasing the effect.

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As well I do not understand this concept of "Current being consumed" as an electric current is the result of a change in the relative difference between two charged states or for the sake of simplicity the motion of charges due to a change in charge density. As such "current" cannot be consumed as the current is simply a measure of something, how can a measurement of relative motion be consumed?

"A current is consumed" means that, in order to maintain the current, you have to provide energy. It is just a way of speaking. It means that the energy of flowing electrons is used (for example for heating a resistance).
In our particular case, energy is needed to provide the current to replenish the energy that the neon is consuming for light (+ the losses).



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2010, 10:00:44 AM »
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You forgot to mention the little fact that if the rate of change of charge density on a conductor is sufficiently high then a wave like disturbance may result which propogates away from the source which produced it and becomes independent from it. In this case the conductor acts more like a point charge than a conductor and most everything you have mentioned falls apart as it does not apply.
Regards
AC

I don't forget this point, I have it always in mind, I spoke elsewhere about it.
When dimensions of conductors and distances between them are short in comparison to the wavelength associated with the highest frequencies of the involved signals, the radiated EM energy is negligible and we can take the hypotheses of the quasi-stationary state approximation.
It is the case here thus this point is not relevant.



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« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2010, 10:00:44 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2010, 11:35:27 PM »
"A current is consumed" means that, in order to maintain the current, you have to provide energy. It is just a way of speaking.
current isn't "consumed"... it's a stupid way of speaking, use a more appropriate word like 'transformed' so you don't sounds so silly.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2010, 05:33:22 AM »
Hi All,
I have decided to construct and power the exciter tower and circuits shown in the links below. I intend to power it with DC (rectified back EMF) off my Bedini setup.  My question is right now what is the measured input "CURRENT" to the primary LI coil while using 12 to 18 volts to power a single tower?
 
http://brokenman.co.nz/science/wireless-energy/122-wireless-electricity.html?showall=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_fKHjDo0E

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/6859d1289338089-bedini-circuit-fraction-1-watt-powers-all-abedini_and_rectifier-1-.jpg

Knowing what others found metering current in a similar 12 - 18 volt exciter setup would be a big help to me as I found a way to vary my OUTPUT current as well as voltage from my Bedini setuP.

The Bedini setup uses much less voltage and current to power all to 12 volts/current compared to using a variable 12-18 volt power supply. I case you might wonder.

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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2010, 12:29:25 PM »
current isn't "consumed"... it's a stupid way of speaking, use a more appropriate word like 'transformed' so you don't sounds so silly.

It's a good way of speaking for the given reason and every one understands it and uses it (http://www.google.fr/search?q=%22current+is+consumed%22).


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« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2010, 03:23:18 PM »
It's a good way of speaking for the given reason and every one understands it and uses it (http://www.google.fr/search?q=%22current+is+consumed%22).
it may be a popular semantic faux pas, but that does not negate the fact that it is still a faux pas.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2010, 03:25:20 PM »
it may be a popular semantic faux pas, but that does not negate the fact that it is still a faux pas.

A "faux pas" is just your subjective opinion, arbitrary provided outside of any rational arguments.
It is really the energy of flowing electrons that is consumed, for example their kinetic energy when heating a resistance because of their collisions with the atomic lattice. Thus "consumed current" perfectly describes the phenomenon.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #115 on: December 12, 2010, 06:29:28 PM »
Here are guys.  I can get a nice hand held jacobs ladder using an MJE 13007 and 32V input.  Also no problem lighting 2 halogen lamps,10 W.  They glow beautifully, like my xenon beaker (last few secs of vid).  They will light from 12V using Mosfets, and the spark is just a little shorter in length.  I cant try the Mosfets on more than 15V or they blow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSXdzWC6EA

Yes, exniholest - current is consumed.  But its still great fun.....and who knows whats possible?

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« Reply #116 on: December 13, 2010, 01:26:55 AM »
A "faux pas" is just your subjective opinion, arbitrary provided outside of any rational arguments.
LMFAO... your last response was an appeal to popularity and now you claim i did not provide a rational argument?? LOL!! that's too funny... a rational argument was provided. consumed is neither precise nor specific. choose a more appropriate word like transformed.

It is really the energy of flowing electrons that is consumed, for example their kinetic energy when heating a resistance because of their collisions with the atomic lattice.
no. it is really transformed. it is not consumed. energy CANNOT be "consumed" except in the sense that you buy it again and again... ::) if you are asserting energy can be consumed you should show us the experimental evidence...

Thus "consumed current" perfectly describes the phenomenon.
the whole art of science is to describe what happens exactly... "transformed current" is far more specific and precise than "consumed current". therefore, "consumed current" does not even come close to describing the phenomenon "perfectly" unless one is attempting to perpetuate a misconception.


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« Reply #117 on: December 13, 2010, 09:53:42 AM »
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no. it is really transformed. it is not consumed.
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You are repeating truisms. Of course energy is never "consumed" because it is conserved.
When we say "something is consumed", we mean that "something" from an energy source has produced a useful work and the source has been depleted.

When electrons heat a resistance, the heat comes from the energy of the electrons, then we can say "current is consumed" in despite the fact that the current is maintained constant by the battery replenishing the energy of the flowing electrons. Simple question of rhetorics.


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« Reply #118 on: December 13, 2010, 10:15:57 AM »
You are repeating truisms. Of course energy is never "consumed" because it is conserved.
When we say "something is consumed", we mean that "something" from an energy source has produced a useful work and the source has been depleted.

When electrons heat a resistance, the heat comes from the energy of the electrons, then we can say "current is consumed" in despite the fact that the current is maintained constant by the battery replenishing the energy of the flowing electrons. Simple question of rhetorics.
your response is a fallacy. more than once now, i have given you a rational argument and you have not addressed how your claim is a "more perfect" description than mine. instead you have danced around, positing logical fallacies as your responses. first it was appeal to popularity, now it is red herring. regardless, the whole art of science is to describe what happens exactly... "transformed current" is far more specific and precise than "consumed current". thus, "consumed current" does not even come close to describing the phenomenon "perfectly" unless one is attempting to perpetuate a misconception.

from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consumed
con·sume  (kn-sm)
v. con·sumed, con·sum·ing, con·sumes
v.tr.
1. To take in as food; eat or drink up. See Synonyms at eat.
2.
a. To expend; use up: engines that consume less fuel; a project that consumed most of my time and energy.
b. To purchase (goods or services) for direct use or ownership.
3. To waste; squander. See Synonyms at waste.
4. To destroy totally; ravage: flames that consumed the house; a body consumed by cancer.
5. To absorb; engross: consumed with jealousy. See Synonyms at monopolize.
v.intr.
1. To be destroyed, expended, or wasted.
2. To purchase economic goods and services: a society that consumes as fast as it produces.

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consume
Definition of CONSUME
transitive verb
1: to do away with completely : destroy <fire consumed several buildings>
2a : to spend wastefully : squander
  b : use up <writing consumed much of his time>
3a : to eat or drink especially in great quantity <consumed several bags of pretzels>
  b : to enjoy avidly : devour <mysteries, which she consumes for fun — E. R. Lipson>
4: to engage fully : engross <consumed with curiosity>
5: to utilize as a customer <consume goods and services>
intransitive verb
1: to waste or burn away : perish
2: to utilize economic goods


it appears you are making up your own definitions for words now. ::) if you want to believe in your little misconception that is fine, but do not attempt to perpetuate it upon others...

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #119 on: December 13, 2010, 08:13:31 PM »
why come to this thread to discuss the meaning of consume?

Isnt there a ''grammarandsemantics.com'' forum somewhere, which would suit you boys better?

Surely here we wanna see exciters with exciting results.....

Sorry for the off topic post - It is my last, I promise.

 

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