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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #285 on: March 08, 2013, 03:22:42 AM »
Quote from: Ramset
please don't respond here ,I am thru beating this dead horse......

Charity work is good and all who endeavor
along such lines are to be commended.

There are many who are in need of our support.



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #285 on: March 08, 2013, 03:22:42 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #286 on: March 08, 2013, 05:28:04 PM »
SeaMonkey


It is my belief the men that share here do charity work!


I know that many hate certain words and phrases ,but I truly believe that it is better to give than receive.


Something happens when Men think this way,something even more amazing happens when we "act" this way.


If you want to change the world
Be that change......live by example !!


And if you have nothing special going on in your life today,if you find that you may have some time
to spare.
Go out and do something special for someone,


And don't get caught!!


You seem a good man SeaMonkey ,If I have offended you in any way ,it may have been some misguided Zeal!!


I apologize !


Thx
Chet


 

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #287 on: March 08, 2013, 07:54:40 PM »
I have not been offended in any way.

It is not necessary to make any apology.

I knew you were a man of good heart and
character.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #287 on: March 08, 2013, 07:54:40 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #288 on: March 09, 2013, 09:53:28 AM »
I come bearing an olive branch, on this public forum- as a sound, reasonable individual (quite possibly for the last time, depending on the next series of responses to this thread).  I wish to reference those individuals who claim to have originated the circuit design, which it seems, all those involved parties really wanted in the first place. More conflict in this situation is not good for this project as a whole.

You make it seem I lurked these forums, found this thread, and off I went. That is obviously not the case.

I actually had Gbluer's videos featured on teslatronix.com until  DE released his brilliant inflammatory masterpiece.

The project will remain on Kickstarter for its life span, thus promoting the name. This can be beneficial for all, and I do wish to give credit where it is due, but this is not possible until individuals with sound judgment come to the right conclusions.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #289 on: March 09, 2013, 02:54:18 PM »
Teslatronics
You Inspire ,you represent exactly what this community stands for ,thank you so much for all you have done for this work,and this world.


I see your Kickstarter notes the funds will be used to continue your ""research!""


Any thing we can do to further your research in the future ,just come in and Grab it, no one will say a thing................


Its all opensores.....


Thx
Chet

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #289 on: March 09, 2013, 02:54:18 PM »
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Offline jbignes5

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #290 on: March 09, 2013, 03:46:12 PM »

 Wow.


 let me ask a simple question? What does open source mean to you?


 In my definition it means to openly develope an idea so that all can benefit from the researched ideas and techniques. If you or anyone Didn't want the idea to be used in an open source way then why come to an open source venue?


 There is nothing wrong with anyone taking the idea and improving on that idea and releasing a kit for others to learn from. Isn't that exactly what the open source venue is for?


 Teslatronics is doing exactly what the open source venue was designed to do. And he is being very honest with what he plans to do with the proceeds and that is to further the techniques and designs that others have started.


 No one has rights to the idea because it was shared openly on this and many other forums. It is public domain and needs to stay that way. As long as Teslatronics doesn't try to get exclusive rights to the design then he is doing nothing wrong with his attempt to further the ideas by releasing a kit for others to learn from and taking the proceeds to further his own research is a damn good way to further this technology.


 If Slayer or others feel slighted by this then maybe he shouldn't have brought it to the open source community. Maybe Slayer and others should have protected thier rights by patenting the idea before hand. Oh wait he couldn't because Tesla was the first to have the idea and since his own rights have been in the public domain for tens of years now NO one could patent the device.


 Please stop berating the man for taking this to the next level. He is only doing what is natural to the open source community. The only ones making this community look bad is the complainers about this process. If you don't like this method then maybe open source is not your bag.

 Here is a definition of open source from open source.org

"1. Free Redistribution
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale."

 Even though this talks about software it is applied to evrything open source. This is a standard amongst the community and it is taken very seriously.

 On the home page of this forum it clearly states this is an open source forum so lets keep it in that spirit.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #291 on: March 09, 2013, 06:21:19 PM »
I come bearing an olive branch, on this public forum- as a sound, reasonable individual (quite possibly for the last time, depending on the next series of responses to this thread).  I wish to reference those individuals who claim to have originated the circuit design, which it seems, all those involved parties really wanted in the first place. More conflict in this situation is not good for this project as a whole.

You make it seem I lurked these forums, found this thread, and off I went. That is obviously not the case.

I actually had Gbluer's videos featured on teslatronix.com until  DE released his brilliant inflammatory masterpiece.

The project will remain on Kickstarter for its life span, thus promoting the name. This can be beneficial for all, and I do wish to give credit where it is due, but this is not possible until individuals with sound judgment come to the right conclusions.

@Teslatronix

Please understand that I'm speaking from the peanut gallery on this issue. Your project on kickstarter may have had greater potential if you had posted your actions first or even approached Slayer007 with a your idea so that he might have had an opportunity to either encourage you or possibly look at it as an opportunity that you could both share and, who knows, Dr Stiffler too. You might have also noticed that Dr. Stiffler also raised an eyebrow over this issue too because both these guys have an actual research interest.

May I ask, and others too may be interested, if there's a possibility that somehow your venture could be somehow able to promote the active research interest by Dr. Stiffler and Slayer007? There may be phases of their research that actually needs funding?

I don't know, the concept of encouraging new interest and giving credit to those actively involved in the actual research and furthering the research seems to be such a great and creative idea, but, it can only be successful if it can be done in a manner that is equitable to all and kudos to those that can come together on it.

Again, I'm only speaking from the peanut gallery of interested learners, we normally don't say much we just enjoy the learning experience.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #291 on: March 09, 2013, 06:21:19 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #292 on: March 09, 2013, 06:49:01 PM »
Jib
I suppose a better question would be what does research mean to you?
open source is the excuse that was used to grab the work of many members here collate it all into an advertising campaign for personal gain and tell the people whose work was being used to go Fu@3 themselves when they tried to explain.


then the same salesman is telling folks contributing at kickstarter that the only place to get this info is to buy it from him and help him with his research?? {NOT ONE MENTION OF THESE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES AND THEIR YEARS OF SELFLESS WORK!!!}


Research involves EXTREMELY benevolent behavior at this level ,it requires tons of effort on absolutely no resources ,a group effort
sometimes with the aid of scientists that share ideas and proprietary information to this benevolent community.


If this is the next level to you [taking the work from a community you never helped in any way and telling them to go F themselves when they try to explain],obviously you are a business man and this makes perfect sense to you.


Thank you for clarifying the profoundly obvious!.


Chet


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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #293 on: March 09, 2013, 06:58:54 PM »
jbignes5,

You've covered the intent of Open Source
quite accurately.

The concept did originate with computer
programs, or software, in order to make
the "Source Code" freely available to the
World with no restrictions.

The Source Code is written in a high level
computer language which is easily modified
by any who have sufficient skill.  But once
the Source Code is compiled into Machine
Code (Freeware) the program becomes very
difficult to modify or enhance.

The whole purpose of Open Source is to encourage
as many as may be interested to analyze, debug,
innovate and otherwise improve a basic set of ideas.

The Electronics Hobbyist Community has shared
ideas and circuits in a similar manner for decades.
Circuit ideas have been freely disseminated without
any requirement for "credit" or "ownership" or "payback."

Sadly, in this age of instant communication via the
internet, certain experimenters have entered into
the Free Dissemination Community who seem to want
to cling to "ownership" claims or who expect perpetual
"recognition" for some idea.  Ideas, which in nearly every
case, are not truly new or original but re-dos of the work
of others long before.

So the Camp is now divided:

The original group remains dedicated to free
exchange of ideas without any limitations,

and

the new breed who wish to impose limitations
in order to retain "rights" or "claims" to
ownership and recognition.

I suppose it is a classic example of Human Nature.

Some people just do not want to "let go" of what
they consider "theirs."

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #293 on: March 09, 2013, 06:58:54 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #294 on: March 09, 2013, 09:07:34 PM »
SeaMonkey


I suppose it boils down to what is at stake,the consequences of the actions?
Here I offer some personal perspective.


One of the things I do with my life is try to help the less fortunate among us,specifically handicapped children and their families.
I have often wanted to enlist the aid of others from this community to help with some of the more specific challenges,  some of this work would have definite commercial value.

The challenge being how to keep people like teslatronics and all his many supporters , from taking this work and running off to start a  "RESEARCH" business?

How does a group perform open source  research and protect it from people like this?


The consequences are far worse in the example of Teslatronics ,To stifle Open source research this way is to  steals from people in this world that can't even get a clean glass of water [5 billion] .
never mind the fact that they have no voice here........


How do you define what is appropriate behavior  when peoples lives actually depend on the work??


I am not talking about getting your video game to get more "lives" or your phone getting more Apps,


We are discussing work that could save lives!!,Change lives!! Truly needy lives !!


Patents, copy rights, fences, at what cost??
nobody here that is actually working to desalinate sea water or bring energy to places that
don't have it,to warm the homes of the less fortunate ,put food on tables where famine and drought
are ravishing the land.


Nobody here working towards that goal gives a hoot about patents and copy rites
Patents have proven to be a waste of time in this venue.
Going for a patent on an OU device is like handing a man a stick to beat you with.


Gotta go..............

Chet


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #295 on: March 09, 2013, 09:54:56 PM »



 Then again why complain because someone is doing work with the information we give them. That's like giving candy to a baby then saying but you can't eat it. Just sit there and look at it.


 Who cares what Teslatronics is doing with the information. He is at least doing something to further the research in this area. What have you done besides claim he has violated Slayer or anyone else. It is Teslatronics putting the kits together, it is Teslatronics who has found a venue for this free information. We are researchers and if no one picks up the research and actually do something with it then what's it all for?


 I for one would be flattered that someone did something with my research. Unfortunately it seems some are here for ego or some other reason other then the free sharing of ideas and experimental results. What someone does with that information no one can control because we freely let it go in this and other forums. We make that choice and to tell you the truth if you do not agree with the freely shared portion then you should not post on an open source forum.


 Again, please stop berating someone who is actually doing something to get this out there. It doesn't matter if he is charging a fee for it or asking for a donation to further his research because he is actually doing work by making the kits and buying the materials and shipping the kits. He is doing this and not Slayer or even you for that fact.


 I mean I would understand completely if he was trying to patent the idea and prevent anyone from doing the same as he is doing right now. In fact if Slayer has any brains he might want to start making his own kits with original documentation and all that. I mean what is to stop him from doing the same?

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #295 on: March 09, 2013, 09:54:56 PM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #296 on: March 09, 2013, 10:03:37 PM »
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One of the things I do with my life is try to help the less fortunate among us,specifically handicapped children and their families.
I have often wanted to enlist the aid of others from this community to help with some of the more specific challenges...

Helping the less fortunate and handicapped is
good;  if it is truly given without any expectation
of getting something in return.

I'm certain you'd receive much generous assistance
in working out any technical challenges you may
need help with.  Many in the community will offer
assistance gladly.

Quote from: ramset
...some of this work would have definite commercial value.

Some of us balk at "commercial" because of the many
hoops and difficulties associated with such ventures.
Commercial endeavors take one into the world of greed
and exploitation unavoidably.

Quote from: ramset
The challenge being how to keep people like teslatronics and all his many supporters , from taking this work and running off to start a  "RESEARCH" business?

How does a group perform open source  research and protect it from people like this?

For those who want to retain exclusive control and
rights over their work "Open Source" is not the answer.
The use of Open Source Research by anyone for any
purpose is encouraged.


Quote from: ramset
The consequences are far worse in the example of Teslatronics , he steals from people in this world that can't even get a clean glass of water [5 billion] .

I don't think "stealing" is descriptive of the process
of utilizing Open Source ideas.  The thought that people
in the World are being deprived in this case seems
extraordinarily excessive.

There are economical solutions to lack of clean water
for drinking.  Show them how and they can actually
do it themselves.

Quote from: ramset
How do you define what is appropriate behavior  when peoples lives actually depend on the work??

If lives are dependent upon any work then that
work will be guarded.  In this case we cannot
make such a connection.

Quote from: ramset
We are discussing work that could save lives!!,Change lives!! Truly needy lives !!

Then you must be talking about Education.  Showing
those who need it the procedures and processes for
meeting their own needs.

What sort of work are you referring to?

Quote from: ramset
Patents, copy rights, fences, at what cost??
nobody here that is actually working to desalinate sea water or bring energy to places that
don't have it,to warm the homes of the less fortunate ,put food on tables where famine and drought
are ravishing the land.

It is possible to accomplish those tasks on a
small scale rather economically;  there are
innovative solutions to those problems which
are easily taught to people who need such
knowledge.  Unfortunately, the plight of many
people suffering those conditions has been brought
about intentionally by governments as they look
after their "interests."

Our World is presently in the hands of very bad
"rulers" who are together bringing an AGENDA
of enslavement and control to fruition.  Conditions
are going to become even worse for people
everywhere in the near future.

Quote from: ramset
Nobody here working towards that goal gives a hoot about patents and copy rites
Patents have proven to be a waste of time in this venue.
Going for a patent on an OU device is like handing a man a stick to beat you with.

I couldn't agree more!

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #297 on: March 09, 2013, 11:31:29 PM »
HHMMMMM
So when a scientist comes in to share an idea here for the purpose of desalinating sea water
or making electricity to heat and power parts of the world where people are actually suffering.


when that man comes here jibness will ask him is this open source? he will say yes thats why I'm here
I see you men have standards and are willing to work together to get this out there.
you play with small ideas together and respect the work ,no one goes to take the work and profit from it.
??

It is one thing to have "work" that is a work unfinished or unproven and "give it away"
it is quite another thing to have something that really Works !!


Gentlemen you are oh so right this is absolutely not the venue for such a scientist ,
open source has taken on a greedy "I would do it if I could" ,I GOT MINES! attitude.
To think that Scientists research could ever find a foot hold in the environment present here would be
asinine ,and to think a Scientist would ever work this way with men who defend a thief to their own fellows work?


well that is a bit insane............


Thx
Chet
PS Just for clarity the "fellows" are hundreds strong with thousands and thousands of hours spent at no cost to this community,and with no intent to profit from the work of others.


I had perceived this to be profoundly obvious among these men?













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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #298 on: March 10, 2013, 12:36:16 AM »
HHMMMMM
So when a scientist comes in to share an idea here for the purpose of desalinating sea water
or making electricity to heat and power parts of the world where people are actually suffering.


when that man comes here jibness will ask him is this open source? he will say yes thats why I'm here
I see you men have standards and are willing to work together to get this out there.
you play with small ideas together and respect the work ,no one goes to take the work and profit from it.
??

It is one thing to have "work" that is a work unfinished or unproven and "give it away"
it is quite another thing to have something that really Works !!


Gentlemen you are oh so right this is absolutely not the venue for such a scientist ,
open source has taken on a greedy "I would do it if I could" ,I GOT MINES! attitude.
To think that Scientists research could ever find a foot hold in the environment present here would be
asinine ,and to think a Scientist would ever work this way with men who defend a thief to their own fellows work?


well that is a bit insane............


Thx
Chet
PS Just for clarity the "fellows" are hundreds strong with thousands and thousands of hours spent at no cost to this community,and with no intent to profit from the work of others.


I had perceived this to be profoundly obvious among these men?


 you know what I'm already sick of this drivel. Why don't you hear it from the guy himself...


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXEkBcgyqKs&feature=g-high-u
You talk about BS. You are not concerned with anything but BS. This guy from what he states did not take this from anyone but Tesla himself.

 Charity is charity. And to run a campaign to educate people to who really devised these type of devices is exactly what this man is doing.
 It doesn't matter if he is profiting from this or not, why? Because this is Tesla's technology not yours and certainly not anyone else's. Tesla gave this to everyone and this man is just trying to get it out there to the masses. Do you not see Tesla's picture on the DVD. How about this guys handle???
]TeslaTronics??
You talk about thievery?? Who owns it and who has the patents to show that ownership?

Quit the BS...

 Watch the entire video and then comment. I bet you don't watch it and still cling to the drivel you spout. Get off the I'm here for charity and get with the program. We are here to explore the free energy field and where it takes us. Arguing about who owns what, when it is shared openly is plainly egotistical and down right a slap in the face of everyone on this forum and what the open source community is about.

 I won't be commenting on this subject again and if you think this guy did something not in the guise of open source then you have problems.

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« Reply #299 on: March 10, 2013, 12:58:04 AM »
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Because this is Tesla's technology not yours and certainly not anyone else's.

Enough of the "Cult of Tesla" boys, sometimes it's just too much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer

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The principle behind the operation of a transformer, electromagnetic induction, was discovered independently by Michael Faraday and Joseph Henry in 1831. However, Faraday was the first to publish the results of his experiments and thus receive credit for the discovery.

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The first type of transformer to see wide use was the induction coil, invented by Rev. Nicholas Callan of Maynooth College, Ireland in 1836. He was one of the first researchers to realize that the more turns the secondary winding has in relation to the primary winding, the larger is the increase in EMF. Induction coils evolved from scientists' and inventors' efforts to get higher voltages from batteries. Since batteries produce direct current (DC) rather than alternating current (AC), induction coils relied upon vibrating electrical contacts that regularly interrupted the current in the primary to create the flux changes necessary for induction. Between the 1830s and the 1870s, efforts to build better induction coils, mostly by trial and error, slowly revealed the basic principles of transformers.

 

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