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Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #270 on: March 06, 2013, 11:15:08 PM »
Yes of course we must forgive,to carry such a bitter pill is not good for anyone!


What to do?


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


I suppose we're all a bit crazy,however this ain;t no game ,many lives could be saved
much suffering could be stopped.
Open source research is not having a good day here!


I suppose we'll actually have to discuss what to do as a group?
Or Not??
thx
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« Reply #271 on: March 07, 2013, 12:11:08 AM »
 quote:
  "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

   Yes, and I think that we've discussed what we can do as a group, already.

   Nice to see all the people back on this thread, now if we could just get back to experimenting with Exciters, and see some new and improve results, that would be very nice, also.

   Nick_Z

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #272 on: March 07, 2013, 12:32:44 AM »
Sorry people but this is why I will not be showing any more of my circuits on line.TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — KickstarterHe is selling the slayer exciters, kits, and also selling my circuit diagrams.I tried to get kickstarter to stop the project but no emails from them yet.I tried to talk to TeslaTronix many times. His response was to F off.


i always thought free energy was all about the word.... FREE ......  and yet here you are talking about copyrights and patents , rights and yours !!!!  MONEY MONEY MONEY !!!! JUST GIVE IT TO THE WORLD  !!! YOUR LEGEND SHALL LIVE BUT YOU WONT ......  think of the year 3013 ..... the gbuer device that saved us all ......

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« Reply #272 on: March 07, 2013, 12:32:44 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #273 on: March 07, 2013, 12:50:56 AM »
Um
Nick
Where did we discuss that??.Sorry I must have missed that?


Or is that why I seem to be the only one upset by all this?


Oh and this fellow Innovator above?


Please share what the "group" decided here?


Thx
Chet
PS
To the soggy ape
When its not your milk that gets spilled ,its very easy to criticize .....
Also quite easy to judge from your side of the fence.....


I see lots of similar thefts on Kickstarter against individual business people
however this would be a first against a community dedicated towards helping the world!
sorta like stealing from the collection plate at church.


Nah Its much worse than that .........


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #274 on: March 07, 2013, 01:09:53 AM »
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...think of the year 3013 ..... the gbuer device that saved us all ......

Unfortunately, there is nothing about the "exciter"
which will save us all.  The "exciter" is more than
100 years old and what has come from it thus far?

Exploitation is not new and it is not going away soon.
It is part and parcel of this World in which we find
ourselves.

Releasing details of experimentation into the Public
Domain via the various Forums has proven to be a
convenient means of communication, but it is not
without risk.

Any who would wish to maintain control over their
"creations" should think twice about revealing their
"secrets" via public Forum.

In the old days such details were shared between
interested parties by means of correspondence;
today we call it "snail mail."  Slow but secure.

Today the electronic equivalent may be private
messaging or selective emailing.  Share your
work very selectively only with trusted associates.

The sharks are everywhere.  What is needed is to
be a little bit smarter than the sharks.

All that's lost is the public recognition and the "ooohs"
and "aaaaahs" of the neophyte crowd.  There won't be
much public stroking of the ego to build one's reputation
or a faithful following of blooming experimenters who look
up to the "guru" when it's all done privately.  But that is
the price that must be paid for security over and control
of one's work.

Once any idea is released publicly in a public forum it's
effectively been lost.  Any may do with it as they please.

The cat is out of the bag.

The hen has flew the coop.

It's all water under the bridge.

Crying over spilled milk changes nothing.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2013, 03:04:21 AM »
 
   
   "Once any idea is released publicly in a public forum it's
effectively been lost.  Any may do with it as they please."

   This response has been voiced over and over again, and is not just someones personal attitude.

    Ramset:
   Your being upset has not changed ANYTHING!!!  And your insults have not helped, either.

   Although I wouldn't call the information posted on any forum "lost", some of us may experience it in that way. But, many more have gained much from it, also.
Making money from this information and devices is not what most of us are here for, although there is nothing wrong with that, either. Nor will we change the whole world to suit your ideals.  The only thing that will change is the attitude of expectation.
That is what most of us have already said in many ways, too many ways.

  It's just the way it is, and will continue to be, whether we like it or not.
Sorry if you don't agree.

  Nick_Z
       
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2013, 09:44:58 AM »
Why would it ever change Nick?
you most certainly seem just fine with all of this??



I know "Lets all get back to work",Tell yah what Nick !


Go get all your Stuff ,Call Dr.Stiffler up or anybody else who has shared their work here
and tell him to just get over it there's nothing we can do?


let me know when you'll be starting that open source research build thread ??


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SeaChimp


Not workin for me Bud ,Your attitude is very short sited ,Just because you think These guys working together are wasting their time [nothing there] or we have to comply or hide because there are men amongst us that would steal candy from a baby?


Just lay down and let them wipe their feet on us??


Nah ,What we do is Charity work,I personally do this to contribute a positive Model to the world
not a weak or powerless one.
If we don't stand up for right and wrong ,   wrong will take its place every time.


SHAME ON THOSE BOYS FOR STEALING FROM CHARITABLE MEN !!


Shame on Kickstarter for the role it now plays in THIS Open Source research world !


Who knows maybe there indifference to right and wrong and their "its all about the Money trail"
attitude will bite them right in their wallet.
some types of men only pay attention to their wallet,not the needs of other less fortunate people?


Chet








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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2013, 09:44:58 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #277 on: March 07, 2013, 03:04:06 PM »
slayer007:
 
I’m replying to you to continue a reasonable fact based discussion and appealing to your better judgment about giving Dr. Stiffler his due credit.  Dr. Stiffler is not asking you to give him credit for all of your work, only what obviously came from his SEC exciter design.  You are coming across as no longer respecting Dr. Stiffler's knowledge and work and his contributions to the open source community.  I’m sure you must realize that there are many others that have more closely followed and benefited from what Dr. Stiffler has shared over the years.  He has shared some of his most valuable information on documents and on YT, so you don’t have to be a member of forums to benefit from his copyrighted and open source contributions.  His new 2 Coil Electrolyzer videos are the most recent examples.
 
You further inflame this issue by misrepresenting Dr. Stiffler's response when you quoted him out of context in your post #265 when you replied back to me.  You appear to think that Dr. Stiffler's post from the past contradicts his recent post #240 and post #255 of this thread. 
 
This post is long but necessary to put your assertion in its full true context and in chronological order which paints a totally different picture than what you misrepresented.  In the circuit Dr. Stiffler responded to, you are using a germanium PNP transistor CONNECTED BACKWARDS and you later gave up on this circuit on post #452The first post listed below is your description of your circuit which Dr. Stiffler would obviously consider to be different than his and it also includes your YT video about it:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4999-joulethief-sec-exciter-variants-14.html
 
03-23-2010, 09:37 PM  slayer007  Senior Member  Post #403
I was inspired by Dr Stiffler's last video.
I wanted to see if I could get my circuit to self run also.
I'm using a old PNP transistor a R 591-7419.
I have the polarity for the circuit reversed and I also have the emitter and collector connected backwards.
Running it backwards it will draw as low as 30 uA while it's running.  This way the fields very weak but it still has enought
power to run and charge it's self.  When I first started the circuit it only had 116.4 mV in the capacitor but it's slowly charging it's self.
At the end of the video I switch the transistor back around and the led will dimly lit off 136 mV.
Here is the video.
YouTube - Self Running Exiter
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Here is your post which Dr. Stiffler first responded to:
 
03-24-2010, 02:42 PM  slayer007  Senior Member  Post #407
This might not be that easy to replicate.
I messed with it last night and lost the effect I had going.
I let it run all night after messing with it but it lost most of the voltage in the
capacitor.  And it quite working some time in the night the voltage in the cap was 100 mV
when it stoped.
I recharged the capacitor this morning to 1 volt.
It's running right now but it's slowly loosing power.
The field is a lot stronger now and I'm having a hard time getting the current draw back
down in the uA range.
@Xee2 this is Dr Stiffler's channel he now has two video's of his self runner.
YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel
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Here is Dr. Stiffler's first effort to help you, along with encouragement to keep at it:
 
03-24-2010, 02:51 PM  DrStiffler  Senior Member  Post #408
 
(Quote Originally Posted by slayer007 #407 was removed from here because it is included above.)
 
Don't forget that if you are actually in SEC mode that there are diurnal effects, this has
been known for some time. Also temperature will affect the operation. To cold it will not
work, to hot it will not work. It is very hard to get it in the right mode. On an 18-1e it
is maybe just 1/16 turn either way on the tuning cap and its gone.
Good luck and keep at it.
BTW I am now driving a full LED panel in SP SEC mode.
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Here is your second post which Dr. Stiffler gave you a second response to:
 
03-24-2010, 08:33 PM  slayer007  Senior Member  Post #412
Well I finally have it running itself agine. 
I worked in it for a few hours gave up on it then came back and it started running on it's
own.
So don't give up Lidmotor.
I'm still using the old PNP transistor connected the right way but I have the base
resistor disconnected.
I did a tap start with it got it going then disconnected the resistor from the base.
I have a meter on it to measure the current it's using 10 to 30 uA.
When it was started there was 160.1 mV in the cap it is now up to 168.9 mV.
This time I won't touch it for 24 hours unless it stops agine.
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Here is Dr. Stiffler's second effort to help you and this is all you posted on this thread which clearly took it out of context:
 
03-24-2010, 01:06 PM  DrStiffler  Senior Member  #414
 
(Quote Originally Posted by slayer007 #412 was removed from here because it is included above.)
 
@Slayer
Depending on you circuit which is very different than mine, it is hard to compare results,
yet I will give you some spec's.
With a 3F cap, the charge rate is ~100mV/Sec. This is self limiting as the voltage gets to
a certain point into my Exciter the current leaves linear increase which pulls back down
the charge. The circuit will then oscillate between to to set points.
With the voltages you are seeing I think the diurnal effect will kill it off.
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Here is your response thanking Dr. Stiffler for helping you out and for all that he has done:
 
03-24-2010, 09:20 PM  slayer007  Senior Member  # 415
 
(Quote Originally Posted by DrStiffler  #414  was removed from because it is included above.)
 
Dr Stiffler thank you.
The circuit I have been working on is in my garage and it is not heated.
That would explain why it quite working on me last night as it was very cold last night.
This time I won't touch it at all till in the morning and see if it last all night.
Doc I can't wait to see your next video this is getting Very Exciting. (Not Worthy Smiley)
Thanks for all you have done. (Cheers Smiley)
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Taken in full context the above posts provide more proof about how you closely followed and praised Dr. Stiffler's work and in no way states that Dr. Stiffler considers the Slayer exciter in question to not use his SEC exciter design which you clearly implied by your post.  Just as important to point out, and anyone objectively reviewing your post would realize this, the Slayer exciter at that time (not your abandoned Self Running Exciter circuit) is not the same one that you posted on page 5 post #66 of this thread.  This was the one I compared to Dr. Stiffler's SEC exciter on my post #235 because you designated it on post #168 of this thread.  You've made numerous modifications to the Slayer exciter but haven't tracked them with version or series numbers.  It was rare that you openly included a schematic in your YT videos or attached them to your posts.  On a comment that you made on your 3 year old Self Running Exciter video you referred someone who expressed frustration about you not including schematics 2 months ago to your YT 'Exciter with indicator light' video:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naN-cLCgDyY&list=UUu5aMQt_fDsayuhUKueE9Ig&index=42
 
In your description and narration of this video referring to two diodes and LED transistor protection you state "Dr Stiffler uses it in his SEC 18 series and it also works very good with this circuit."  This is a clear example of some of the credit Dr. Stiffler deserves and which you used to acknowledge.  Why do you no longer give Dr. Stiffler credit for this or anything else that came from his SEC exciter design?  In your recent response to me on post #234 about the SEC exciter and Slayer exciter circuits you stated "...they are nothing alike".
 
This is my reply to the post you addressed to me.  I primarily wanted to point out that it is not fair to take someone out of context in an effort to justify your actions and that your credit to Dr.Stiffler has changed which is frankly puzzling to me.
 
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #278 on: March 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM »



Fair thee well.....






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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #279 on: March 07, 2013, 04:34:04 PM »
Hi Guy's, I think it's time to define the term " Exciter", because I "excite" the primary of all my transformers.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exciter

Definition (my bold)

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Definition of EXCITER

1
: one that excites
2
a : a generator or battery that supplies the electric current used to produce the magnetic field in another generator or motor
b : an electrical oscillator that generates the carrier frequency (as for a radio transmitter)
Examples of EXCITER


<many of the exciters of the so-called “tax revolt” were actually campaign workers for one of the gubernatorial candidates>
First Known Use of EXCITER
14th century

And from Tesla's patent. Page 2 lines 7 to 15. Attached snippet
http://www.google.com/patents?id=m7R9AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Basically it's a common word that anyone can use to describe a device producing certain effects.

No one owns it period. Exciter, exciter, exciter. I'll use the term to describe any device I think it pertains to.

In my opinion any "self running" effects are likely due to man made electrical noise in the environment or from the ground connection.

I can charge caps to a few volts with a static Tesla coil just with the secondary ground connected and with the primary or a tickler coil made into an output
and that's not even using germanium diodes. No big deal ground noise will do it. Going into the country won't help convince anyone either because the same type of electrical noise can be created anywhere on the planet with a battery and an inverter or switching circuit connected to ground, or better still a powered transmitter can be taken anywhere a receiver can be taken. Taking an exciter to the countryside to show the effect is still there means little unless the place can be tested for man made electrical noise.

EDIT: For example an electric fence will produce a large spike and ring down on the output of a ground connected resonant transformer.

Take a deep breath folks and let it all go, then think for yourselves, do the research and the experiments if you are really interested you will find a way, then you will have knowledge
gained form your own experiences.

Cheers

P.S. If some people want to give praise or give thanks to certain other people for sharing their work then that's all well and good, but don't
expect others to do what "you" "think" is right and proper and especially we should not use "coercive persuasion techniques" to try to force others to conform to our views.

Look up coercive persuasion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercive_persuasion .

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Martyn Carruthers has the following definition: "Coercive persuasion attempts to force people to change beliefs, ideas, attitudes, or behaviors using psychological pressure, undue influence, threats, anxiety, intimidation, and/or stress. (Coercive persuasion has been called mind control and brainwashing.)



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #280 on: March 07, 2013, 08:15:43 PM »
I should point out again, that from my conversation with Gbluer, the issue is not that this guy is selling something, but rather than he is purposefully leaving out that it is an opensource design, and where to get it, so as to garner money from people for sending them paper copies of the design, also it seems he is, or was in one of the videos, insinuating that the design was different than anything on the web and that to get said circuit design you pretty much had to come to him.

Most of the people donating that I see, are doing so to get that kit of coils and parts, or just sending this guy money so he can do more research. but the few who are being fooled into thinking they are buying a design that can not be gotten from the opensource community are going to be pretty pissed I bet when they do stumble onto these pages. Also the discussion further lead where I see that Gbluer is going to try to rectify this by putting something up that money given will be understood that it is for parts and labor, and where to get the info freely if you want to source your own parts and build everything your self.  I hope I am right, because that seems like it was originally intended by most who provide things as opensource rather than try to close source it.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #281 on: March 07, 2013, 08:48:46 PM »
Quote from: Ramset
SeaChimp


Not workin for me Bud ,Your attitude is very short sited ,Just because you think These guys working together are wasting their time [nothing there] or we have to comply or hide because there are men amongst us that would steal candy from a baby?


Just lay down and let them wipe their feet on us??


Nah ,What we do is Charity work,I personally do this to contribute a positive Model to the world
not a weak or powerless one.
If we don't stand up for right and wrong ,   wrong will take its place every time.


SHAME ON THOSE BOYS FOR STEALING FROM CHARITABLE MEN !!

Ramset,

You can stomp your feet, cry, whine, yell
and holler all you want;  but until you propose
a plan of action which meets the demands of
the legal process you'll accomplish naught.

Claiming that something has been stolen from
the Public Domain is very difficult to prove
since there is a legal definition for "stealing"
and "theft."  Is that what has truly taken place
in this case?

Or, is it simply a case of unrealistic expectations
and carelessness in this Dog Eat Dog World?

There is a legal judicial process which can be
resorted to in order to claim damages but the
process demands at the minimum an enforceable
contract or agreement between the belligerent
parties.

Your efforts to create a groundswell of complaining
forum members will accomplish nothing legally.

You're beating a dead horse.  You've lost whatever
battle you've conceived in your own mind.  You have
no legal ground to stand on.  There has not been any
real theft.

At some point Boys must grow into Men.

Nothing has been lost.  Nothing is at peril.
The Open Source Community is a worthy cause
but it is not for everybody.

Those who want to maintain control over their
work have no choice but to seek legal protections
in the appropriate manner.  Contracts and/or
Agreements which contain Terms and Conditions.

Of course, you have the ability to research these
things and discover what should have been done.
But it is more fun to rant and rave, stir the pot,
emote the drama while striving to rally support for
a lost cause.

But fear not; in time even the eyes of babes are
opened so that they might see.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #282 on: March 07, 2013, 10:42:47 PM »
Sm
You don't do charity work
I do, Lots and lots of charity work
Thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars!


This seems like more of a play time thing to you, some thing for an old man to sit around and feel
impOtent.


Nah
people  suffer because this work gets suppressed people die because this work gets suppressed!
this ain't some pissin contest Bud.


You can talk until your teach fall out of your face about legal this and copy rite that.


Tesla tower crap and old circuit nonsense .


Fact is these fellows don't sign on to make money ,they sign on to try and do whatever they can to make a difference,to set an example.


To be selfless,not selfish!!


please don't respond here ,I am thru beating this dead horse......


The scientists that chose to share here have gotten the clearest of messages that could ever be sent .......
Its against the laws of business ........
enter at your own risk!


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #283 on: March 08, 2013, 02:17:14 AM »
Farmhand:
 
You made some valid points and I considered how they might apply to my post.
 
I agree that no one owns the word exciter, Dr. Stiffler has stated this also.  In a previous post, I pointed out to GBluer directly that he had stated his position about this but not about why Dr. Stiffler didn’t deserve any credit for the use of his SEC exciter design.  So in my last post I only raised the question of why not call it the Slayer Joule Thief because GBluer stated to me that one of the reasons he was not giving Dr. Stiffler credit was because the joule thief was the origin of his Slayer exciter.  I can see how this could be misinterpreted as questioning his use of the word exciter, so to simplify and avoid this distraction I decided to remove this question from my post.
 
You also make a valid point about not using "coercive persuasion techniques".  I’m really annoyed when double standards are openly practiced and mostly allowed to go on unchallenged.  My intention is to persuade with the facts not to ‘force to conform’, but one should avoid pressing a point in a way that will cause one to come across that way if it is not one's intention.  It will also detract from one's primary point of contention.
 
I kept both of your valid points in mind when I went back and modified my last post which will help make it a more focused response.  It is a response to a post GBluer addressed to me, in it I primarily wanted to point out that it is not fair to take someone out of context in an effort to justify your actions and that in his responses to me his credit to Dr. Stiffler had changed from the past with no explanation.
 

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« Reply #284 on: March 08, 2013, 02:42:49 AM »
I should point out again, that from my conversation with Gbluer, the issue is not that this guy is selling something, but rather than he is purposefully leaving out that it is an opensource design, and where to get it, so as to garner money from people for sending them paper copies of the design, also it seems he is, or was in one of the videos, insinuating that the design was different than anything on the web and that to get said circuit design you pretty much had to come to him.

Most of the people donating that I see, are doing so to get that kit of coils and parts, or just sending this guy money so he can do more research. but the few who are being fooled into thinking they are buying a design that can not be gotten from the opensource community are going to be pretty pissed I bet when they do stumble onto these pages. Also the discussion further lead where I see that Gbluer is going to try to rectify this by putting something up that money given will be understood that it is for parts and labor, and where to get the info freely if you want to source your own parts and build everything your self.  I hope I am right, because that seems like it was originally intended by most who provide things as opensource rather than try to close source it.

Well said sir.  For example, if someone was selling a JT circuit that they claimed only they had, and was selling the parts also, I could see some folks wanting to get everything they needed at one place but, to suggest that that was the only place to get this circuit would be fraud, in my opinion.

 

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