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Offline Rfacts

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #210 on: February 22, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »
Kultus:
I’m usually at this public forum to see what I can learn while keeping to myself but I had to post that after objectively reviewing this situation I think your approach is smearing this community.  In a moment of truthfulness in your video rant you state that you don’t know TeslaTronix from a bar of soap.  If you are a moral person who is supposedly claiming the moral high ground, why are you telling lies and jumping to conclusions about someone you admit you don’t know?
 
Some of your video lies about TeslaTronix:
“He does not mention Slayer once in any of his videos.”
[He does mention Slayer in some of his videos.]
“He probably most certainly does not know what he is doing with this stuff.”
[He has designed primary and secondary coils and top loads to improve output performance of exciter circuits.]
“He is probably going to take your money and run.”
[Unsubstantiated assumption, defamation of character.]
“He is claiming it is his research and it’s most certainly not.”
[He refers to Slayer exciter and has researched and designed primary and secondary coils and top loads.)
 
You state multiple times that TeslaTronix is just a fraud and he is just going to steal your money but you don’t provide legal proof of the fraud you are referring to or how you know that he is just planning to steal money.
 
Some of your posted lies about TeslaTronix:
“So he is misleading his backers to thinking he has over unity”.
[His video description states “I should also make note, in case it is not obvious, that these bulbs are not glowing as bright if they were actually plugged into a socket. There are no claims of "overunity" here.]
 “19 volts @ 500 ma in .... and over 80 watts out .... no .. these bulbs are not fully lit ... there for he is not getting that kind of output ... LIAR!!!!”
[He only provides wattage rating of flourecent bulbs not the actual power output and states that he does have the means to take accurate measurements and is waiting on some equipment.  Also refer to his video description noted above.]
 
To make things worse, you aren’t satisfied with telling the video lies on your own.  You’re asking others to be your accomplice to help you spread them by posting your video rant on their YouTube channels so that you can get your lies out to more people.  If you had a sound argument you wouldn’t be resorting to lies or exaggerations and if you were a moral person you would retract them, your actions will define you.
 
You, GBluer and others who are grasping for straws sometimes cite a health hazard double standard and spin it as if TeslaTronix is selling the Slayer exciter for $300 when it is clear that what is bringing a higher dollar value to the items he is selling are the coils, instructional videos and the kit concept he developed and not the exciter circuit.
 
You can’t go after TeslaTronix in court because you don’t have a case as has been well stated by MileHigh, SeaMonkey, Farmhand and allcanadian in their rational arguments.  You instead resort to emotional thus irrational rants.  It looks like GBluer has accepted that TeslaTronix beat him to the idea and effort required to sell kits and is going to do the same after seeing that there is a good market for them, over $25K thus far. 
 
Good luck to both of them and I hope you take a moment to reflect on how you are going about this and what is best for this community.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #210 on: February 22, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »

Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #211 on: February 22, 2013, 05:16:12 PM »
YEESH
Did somebody say the "C" word?
Nobody likes that !!


Most entities will go way out of their way to avoid the cost or even remote chance  of a "Court event".


Every body knows that??
thx
Chet
PS
RF ,please don't presume to understand "Slayer's" position here, when you get the wind knocked out of you by a sucker punch it takes a little time for the mind to clear.


the far reaching consequences to the open source community are becoming quite clear.















Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #212 on: February 22, 2013, 09:11:00 PM »
Quote from: ramset
RF ,please don't presume to understand "Slayer's" position here, when you get the wind knocked out of you by a sucker punch it takes a little time for the mind to clear.


the far reaching consequences to the open source community are becoming quite clear.

What is it that you are not able to comprehend
regarding Open Source?

You wish to alter the terms and conditions of
Open Source?

Are you presuming it to be something it was never
intended to be?

Alternatives to Open Source are:

Creation for its own sake.

Voluntary after-the-fact donations.

Freemium.

Charge for support.

Give away for promotion.


The true Open Source Community gives freely
and expects nothing in return.  Nothing.
It is hoped that whatever is given proves to be
of some value to all users and that possible
improvements will be publicized along with
any correction of errors.

Any who would impose "conditions" or expect
"returns" cannot claim to be of the Open Source
Community.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #212 on: February 22, 2013, 09:11:00 PM »
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Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #213 on: February 22, 2013, 10:13:57 PM »
  I agree with the above statements.   
  Can't we just get back to replications, as such as was the idea, previously.
  Those of a different view point, maybe you are looking at this in the wrong way.
As these forum are not about making money, but about giving free open source information for those that would like to replicate and improve this technology. 
As most of us know where and how the original devices came to be in the first place.
  For those out to make a buck, the opportunity still exist, on E-bay and elsewhere.
 No one is going to stop that, especially not by just saying so.
 Competition for a better product has always been the American way.
But, cooperation,  is better yet.


Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #214 on: February 22, 2013, 10:16:46 PM »
Community?


Sir
I propose you are not an active part of the "contribution" end of the open source community.
It would seem with your mind set you are a very willing "taker" of open source .


When you get some mileage in the giving part,perhaps your perspective will change on the taking
part.
And Maybe even something as Basic as Right and wrong will be within your grasp!


Thx
Chet









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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #215 on: February 22, 2013, 10:37:48 PM »
Yes, Community.

I've been a proud member of the Open Source
movement since 1950 when as a young lad I
built my first crystal set.  At that time it was
not known as Open Source but was just the
normal American way of life.  A nearby neighbor
who was an engineer with Collins Radio Co. provided
myself and other interested neophytes with
technical assistance and parts when needed.

That tradition has been proudly carried on since
that time.  I've never expected anything in return
at any time for the assistance I've in turn provided
over the years.

Greed and the love of money have always existed
but haven't been a problem within the world of
commerce widely until fairly recently.  Very sadly,
this malady has infected the technical community
today causing many to withhold contribution for
fear of revealing something which could deprive
them of first opportunity to make money.

The spirit of giving seems to have been lost.

That this would come to pass was long ago foretold.

Humanity has changed for the worse.

Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #216 on: February 22, 2013, 10:55:02 PM »
  "The spirit of giving seems to have been lost".

   The fact is that ANY device that is worthwhile will be replicated and sold.
Ultimately this is not as bad as it looks. Nor is there a way around it. We can bitch all we want.
  At least if proper credit is given to where the source of the device comes from, that is about all that can be expected.
  The whole world is watching, and ready to take advantage of whatever is of value. Even if you patent it, other countries will still replicated and sell it.
   The only solution for those looking to protect their "ideas", is to not post them.  Sad!!!
And for those that aren't worried about it, you've come to the right place,  here.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
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Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #217 on: February 22, 2013, 11:24:05 PM »
Sorry boys
I can't play now ,
lLater...
Chet

Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #218 on: February 22, 2013, 11:32:09 PM »
  No need to "play".  Chet.  You are barking up the wrong tree...


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« Reply #218 on: February 22, 2013, 11:32:09 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #219 on: February 23, 2013, 12:14:01 AM »
Nick
Most of us were taught to live by example,some have been taught "you shall know them by their works"
I look at what this man Slayer does as a ministry of sorts,He teaches Men to experiment, he helps them understand and in general
places himself at a fairly high level of risk,all for the sake of this community,and ultimately to make this a better planet.


so much of this should be self evident,


Here we are building a community that lives by example ,who's resources should be protected so as to nourish this work towards our ultimate goal.


Slayer is one of those resources, stand for him and his research,protect him any way you can!
Unless you have a better model for success or a better example to follow?


later
Chet




Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #220 on: February 23, 2013, 05:24:05 AM »
  I also agree with those thoughts. And I do support him, all the way, as he has my admiration.
  It is the idea that when one displays ideas, inventions and other personal information on the internet, the expected outcome is that it will be used, in any way that serve the needs of those that get that information. So, if you don't want to give it away, then don't give it, at all.
  It is nothing personal.  I would be pissed off, also. I do understand his feelings.

  This all needs to be worked out between us all, if possible, as it has happened, and may possibly continue happening in the future.

  I'm glad that there are people like you Chet,

   Nick_Z
   


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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #221 on: February 23, 2013, 06:09:15 AM »
Quote from: ramset
Unless you have a better model for success or a better example to follow?

There is a better way.  Many are aware of it yet few choose
to adhere to it faithfully.

Our weaknesses, our fears and our resentments keep us
always wanting to turn to the right or to the left and
hence we deviate from the path which would take us to
good.

Has Slayer been wronged?  Think about this carefully.

When a poker player voluntarily shows his hand in a
game, it isn't possible later to cry "foul" when the
hand is lost.  Most of us learn that lesson early in life.

Clearly Slayer made an error in judgment.  He expected
something which wasn't possible to expect;  he wanted
others to agree to an unenforceable "condition."  Legally,
there is no way to accomplish that without an "agreement"
which entails the bond of word or the handshake.  Both parties
must agree to any and all conditions.

Slayer may now feel remorse for his lack of understanding
in this matter and he may even feel that he's been betrayed
or wronged.  But in truth he hasn't.

None of us can give something; and later take it back, without
causing problems.  Some mistakes simply cannot be undone.

Let's examine the circuit in question in depth to evaluate
whether it's possible that someone before has already done
it.  The circuit is essentially a Common Emitter Transistor
Amplifier configured as a form of Oscillator Circuit.  Some
will see the configuration as an Armstrong/Meissner circuit
while others may see it as a Hartley circuit.  The oscillation
sustaining feedback is provided by "transformer" action.

The secondary of the circuit, which establishes the frequency
of operation, is a Tesla Resonator or 1/4 Wave Helical Resonator.
This element, including an optional Top Hat Capacitor to enhance
the Induction Field Intensity, all belongs to Nikola Tesla who made
those discoveries long ago.

Whether the feedback is derived from a separate feedback
winding or directly from the base end of the Tesla Resonator Coil
is a choice for the experimenter.  Both methods work well
because both are low impedance and will match well the Base
Impedance of the Transistor.  When the Tesla Resonator Coil
is in operation its base end (or driven end) is its low impedance
end.  The opposite end, where the high voltage develops, is the
high impedance end.

The use of diodes across the Base and Emitter of the Transistor
to offer protection from excessive reverse bias is well established.
It is customary to use  one, two or three series connected diodes
to establish a safe level of reverse bias voltage (which prevents the
Base Emitter Junction from going into Reverse Breakdown or
Avalanche) in order to improve transistor turn-off speed and thereby
enhance circuit efficiency.

So when the circuit is analyzed piece by piece and function by
function it becomes apparent that it is all known technology that
has been utilized by many others in past years.

Of course, we would all like to think that our circuits are new and
unique and have never been done before.  But as we gain experience
we get over that.  It is humbling to discover that what we do today
with transistors has been done many times by others over the past
60 years.  Certain things are new such as leds and chips and mosfets,
but the principles remain unchanged.

Which brings to mind a question regarding a key aspect of the circuit:

Why is it necessary for the primary winding of the Tesla Coil to be at
the bottom end of the Tesla Resonator?

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #222 on: February 23, 2013, 06:13:08 AM »
Insted of all you bastards flapping off at the mouth, why don't you put some proof to your words.... show us who and when, with references, was before Gbluer to use this circuit in this manner .... if you cannot do that then your arguments are invalid, at least we have somewhere to point the finger and proof to back up what we are saying....  getting really tired of reading dribble from the peanut gallery.... no matter how long winded you make it or how intelligent your "try" to sound ... it's going to make you any more correct, you've still got it backwards

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #223 on: February 23, 2013, 07:08:35 AM »
Quote from: Kultus
...why don't you put some proof to your words....
show us who and when, with references, was before
Gbluer to use this circuit in this manner

Excellent point!  In fact it is a legal requirement.

The "inventor" or "claimant" is charged with the
legal responsibility of conducting extensive research
to verify that the "invention or device" is indeed
new and unique and not simply a copy of "prior art."

This search will be gladly conducted by any Patent
Attorney for a reasonable fee.  But it must be diligently
accomplished before any Legal Claim of Intellectual
Property can be made.

Otherwise it would be Illegal.

Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #224 on: February 23, 2013, 07:10:22 AM »
  "Insted of all you bastards flapping off at the mouth, why don't you put some proof to your words...."

   Ok,  this Brovin/Kacher circuit along with the two other circuits mentioned previously show many similarities, which also can light bulbs, as well as other functions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0q0W-ms38

  Most any blocking oscillator which has a large open ended secondary coil such as a Tesla type coil will act as an exciter.
  The word Exciter comes from Dr. Stiffler, which Gbluer has followed for several years.
  The fact that these circuits are slightly different is mainly a matter of degree.
But, all are blocking oscillators, used by several people years ago.
  This does not detract anything from the Slayer Exciter circuit, only adds more value to it, instead.

  NO need to insult...

 


 

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