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Author Topic: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter  (Read 237301 times)

Offline totoalas

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #195 on: February 22, 2013, 12:11:06 AM »
Funny thing TOTO
you rattle off names of men dedicated to selfless service to their fellow man ,that spent thousands of dollars and thousands of hours dedicated to open sourcing and sharing their work to make a better world.


And in the next breathe you pat a man on the back who at best is a crafty self serving
money monger.


this man is not one of these men , and the precedent  being set here ,where he makes a cash grab on the work performed by others will hinder "sharing" greatly in this open source community.


the only winners here will be lawyers in the long run as well as suppression of technologies at the patent offices.


and that is the real stomach turner here............


Just one mans opinion


Chet
I totally agree with you  I commented on a draw with a BIG BUT  ( BUT TO THINK OF IT AS  AN OPEN SOURCE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ...  A WORD OF HONOR  )   noble mans word without hutring other people feeling
As Gbluer has decided to put on his developer kits ... I ll just support him in anyway I can  ... Every inspiring comment from Slayer is an A   in a score card for my part and like a good pat in the back  :)
 :) :) totoalas

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #195 on: February 22, 2013, 12:11:06 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter History of the Builder and Replicators
« Reply #196 on: February 22, 2013, 12:20:28 AM »
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?t=4999
Slayer Lighting - Memory lane  yt   toto alas
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #197 on: February 22, 2013, 12:40:09 AM »
TOTO
with all respect to Slayer and his present situation .


this highlights a huge hole in the open source concept .
Few things could hurt this open source cause so effectively and quickly as what this man is attempting to do.


I am absolutely stupefied by this!


And then to spit in Slayers face with a foul mouth?
provocative gesture indeed.........










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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #197 on: February 22, 2013, 12:40:09 AM »
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Offline totoalas

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #198 on: February 22, 2013, 01:30:16 AM »
Hi Ramset
 I may be misunderstood  maybe my english is not so good  but with all good intentions I am for Open source( meant for the other guy and not Slayer )  as many of us here have longed for
I am sorry if I was misterpreted but I am for Slayer all the way  my comment is just to thank every contributor in the replication and development
no need to rant on me as I am in your side...  as I said totally agree   to respect open source   .......as i am still a newbie to this field
Peace love light   as Skywatcher always say    :) :) :)
Gbluer and others had taught me the level of electronics knowledge based on shared experience bad and good ...and I repeat I see Gbluer a GURU with great respect..  almost all  his builds  I have replicated so no reason for me to say bad words to my mentor      cheers

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #199 on: February 22, 2013, 02:07:38 AM »
Chet:

I don't really understand you.  For one thing there is the concept of doing things open source.  By definition, nobody is supposed to be able to stop someone from doing what they want to do with the open source information.  Is this correct?  If you want to make an effort to use open source information for profit, what's wrong with that?  The information is still open source.  For example, doesn't Linux work like that?

Now, you can use an open source circuit to make an efficient LED driver.  At the same time there are hundreds of companies that will sell you constant-current or constant-voltage LED drivers.  So what's the difference?

What I really don't understand is that I am under the impression that that ridiculous "resonant bells" electric water heater was also an open source project.  Am I correct?  Then you were dealing with that man that was supposed to make a film and show the world his magic resonant bell water heater and that was all hush-hush.  It was all a Big Secret and I believe that nothing ever came of it.  I don't recall a single peep out of you complaining in that particular case.

As a general comment, you can't forget that these circuits are high school "science project" material.  Nobody in their right mind would light up their room with one of these circuits.  So what are they really useful for?

Look, supposing that I design and sell a baking soda "volcano" kit.  You buy my kit and show your kids a baking soda volcano.  You don't have to go running around and get all the ingredients, they are all there in one box.  That in itself represents value.

So, should someone go after me because I "stole" the recipe for the baking soda volcano?  The "Slayer Exciter" is much closer to the baking soda volcano than some alleged piece of intellectual property as you seem to think.  It's an oscillator driving a step-up transformer.  You can't get much more basic than that.

Like I said, to a certain extent I feel some sympathy for Gary Bluer.  But honestly I support anybody that can take a simple idea and run with it and make some money from it.  There is indeed a market for people that want to do some "turn key" tinkering with electronics.  That's in contrast to the many sleazy fake free energy schemes where parasitic people suck money out of other gullible people.  That I abhor.  And a great irony here is that I am sure I have seen you in support of these sleazy parasitic people because you don't want to believe that they are bad and you will simply stick your head in the sand and cross your fingers and hope that they are good.  I don't sense any concern from you in these cases where gullible people are getting ripped off.

I will give you another example.  Suppose somebody sells some kits that allow you to make flip-flops.  The kit would consist of a few transistors, resistors, wires, a tiny circuit board and some LEDs.  Wow!  If you bought a few of these kits you could make a binary counter!  Would you have a problem with that?  I am going to assume that your answer would be no.  However, what if we imagine that there was a thread on OU devoted to making transistor-based flip-flops.   Let's suppose that the thread had been running for two years.  Now suppose somebody sells some kits that allow you to make transistor-based flip-flops.  Do you now get all up in arms that someone is daring to sell flip-flop kits?

This is supposed to be a place for the free exchange of ideas where things are open sourced.  If you take an open source idea and you ADD VALUE to that idea by making a turn-key kit and selling it, what's wrong with that?  The simple fact is that certainly there are people out there that would like to play with the stuff, but they don't want to build it themselves, they want to buy a kit.  That's a legitimate market that anybody can tap into.

Anybody reading this can make their own "Slayer Exciter" kits and market and sell them.  But to do that it takes real work.  If you are crafty you might be able to do relatively little work for good financial gain.  As long as you are not lying about your product more power to you.

The bottom line is that somebody got smart and decided to try to make some money selling simple kits.  That person simply put in the effort.  He is never going to turn this into a big business and his comments about "sourcing and securing parts" are comical.  Anybody heard of DigiKey?  Do you know that DigiKey is just one player in the multi-billion-dollar electronics component industry?  There are probably more than 100 viable and still available MOSFETs or transistors that can be used in this circuit.

MileHigh

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #199 on: February 22, 2013, 02:07:38 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #200 on: February 22, 2013, 02:50:51 AM »
Hi Ramset
 I may be misunderstood  maybe my english is not so good  but with all good intentions I am for Open source( meant for the other guy and not Slayer )  as many of us here have longed for
I am sorry if I was misterpreted but I am for Slayer all the way  my comment is just to thank every contributor in the replication and development
no need to rant on me as I am in your side...  as I said totally agree   to respect open source   .......as i am still a newbie to this field
Peace love light   as Skywatcher always say    :) :) :)
Gbluer and others had taught me the level of electronics knowledge based on shared experience bad and good ...and I repeat I see Gbluer a GURU with great respect..  almost all  his builds  I have replicated so no reason for me to say bad words to my mentor      cheers


Just to clear things up for Poor Toto, It was Toto who brought this to my attention in the first place in the IAEC forum so I can vouch that they are on Gbluer's side, no matter what the misunderstanding has been, maybe I'm just getting used to reading Toto's way of speaking, but he's a good guy in this ...

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #201 on: February 22, 2013, 03:01:45 AM »
looks promising... hope we can able to use it someday.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #202 on: February 22, 2013, 03:20:23 AM »
I'm not picking on TOTO at all ,it was just his big thank you to the "Kickstarter representative"
that thru me for a loop.
Kickstarter represents this man and what he stands for!


That representation has a responsibility and  a liability attached to it...............


@BWiz
If you live near high voltage power lines ,grab a florescent tube just as the kickstarter representative does in his "How to" video , go out under the high voltage power lines and you will get the same effect .


Chet

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #203 on: February 22, 2013, 03:30:56 AM »
Thanks chet :) and kultus

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #204 on: February 22, 2013, 09:18:56 AM »
MileHigh,

I enjoyed reading your most recent posting in
this topic.

I'm delighted to see that you are still active in
these discussions where you are able to inject
cogent thoughts and ask meaningful questions.

Presently it seems that emotions are still in a
high state of perturbation and the judgments of
some are clouded.  Hopefully the key
participants in this discussion will give reflection
to your sound reasonings and respond.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #205 on: February 22, 2013, 09:49:48 AM »
MileHigh, I can sum this all up in 1 sentence for you.


The open sourcing of this particular project was intended to be NOT FOR PROFIT, this guy has never had any involvement with the creators of it and has simply stolen the idea ....




 seriously is that too hard to understand ?






Ramset, I think he was just being diplomatic as he is not full versed in this argument and I do understand where he was coming from BUT being that TT has NEVER had anything to do with this forum, nor has he ever had any involvement with Slayer (gbluer) himself then he is just a common thief and nothing less, he crept up behind everyone and just took to make him self some coin ... going to be a very sad day when someone does come up with a device that could change the world and no one is willing to back them because of this incident. It  needs to be made clear to the public that this man has never  before  had any involvement with people like us, We do not know him and do not back him, he is a nobody who is just riding the gravy train for a quick buck!   

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #206 on: February 22, 2013, 10:09:50 AM »

@BWiz
If you live near high voltage power lines ,grab a florescent tube just as the kickstarter representative does in his "How to" video , go out under the high voltage power lines and you will get the same effect .

Chet

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definitely i will try it.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #207 on: February 22, 2013, 10:09:58 AM »
Quote from: Kultus
...this guy has never had any involvement with the
creators of it and has simply stolen the idea ....

What, pray tell, is the "idea" that has been "stolen?"
What feature of the circuit is representative of
anything that is truly unique that hasn't been
"borrowed" from earlier efforts?


Quote from: Kultus
The open sourcing of this particular project was
intended to be NOT FOR PROFIT...

How, absent a Legal Contract or Agreement, can
this condition be imposed?

There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding
about the legal impact of "intentions" or "conditions"
and how they are to be conveyed.

We can desire or intend nearly anything.  But how can
we make our desires or intentions binding?  There is
a legal process.  Unless we consummate that process
we are without legs to stand on.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #208 on: February 22, 2013, 10:28:12 AM »
The simple fact that Gbluer posted these designs for this circuit to be used in this manner before anyone else is fact enough to be binding, like it or not, if you've read all my post thoroughly, if would be apparent to you that I would be correct, he posted it first it's his, same as in the old days where (and still is) if you mail a design to your self with the postal service, do not open the mail once you receive it, if someone whom knew of your idea then goes to patent it you have proof with a date stamp showing when YOU came up with the idea.


sadly I think your on the wrong side of this argument, and it is very very sad to see forum members of any forum attacking their own, you obviously would be a person like TT willing to "steal" ideas from people, and the very reason why we are going to see a sharp decline of "sharing " on forums like this one .... just because it was not a contract written up by a lawyer does not in any way prove T to be in the right ....     




And let me quote MileHigh on this "As long as you are not lying about your product more power to you." that's right as long as you are not lying, Have you watched TT's videos he claim that his partly lit bulbs is a 80 watt load on the device .... BULL SHIT no it's not, it would be lucky to be 40 watts, anyone who has worked on Slayer exciters knows it takes a shit load of input energy to achieve full lit brightness to a Fluro bulb... I CALL BULL SHIT ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE!!!!! So he is misleading his backers to thinking he has over unity... he bloody doesn't .... don't take my word for it watch "Mega load test wireless electricity"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_svJ29qhQ


19 volts @ 500 ma in .... and over 80 watts out .... no .. these bulbs are not fully lit ... there for he is not getting that kind of output ... LIAR!!!!


 here is another video where in his description he calls on his own numbers again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvsJc6868E   15v 500MA ... 80 watts out .... No again Bull Shit !! he's not.




Lux meter ... now that would be neat!!

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #209 on: February 22, 2013, 01:40:16 PM »
Kickstart is meant to inspire,to help the artist or Creator get his chance ,to get that "dream come true" moment out into the world.
Yes they may encourage the Hacker community in a battle against what they perceive
the little guy Vrs  big guy.


However
There is one thing you can take to the bank,they will Never knowingly Get behind
one little guy stealing an open source and Altruistic artists work and "Brand" recognition and posting it as his own.


Its just not what they Do!


The ball is in this community's court,The evidence has been all over the internet for "YEARS"
You want justice?
Or Will you sit back and let people unknowingly subsidize this type of behavior?

Thx
Chet
PS
Please be aware ... we have standards...
moments of passion towards our cause can get a bit untamed at times we must proceed as the gentlemen we are...


with out any "Nasty"!


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