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Offline Farmhand

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #165 on: February 16, 2013, 09:29:29 AM »
Yes Qwert, I see, but does that mean that even though no one else is offering kits he shouldn't do it either ?

Maybe one way to stop him is to present the safety issue to the site managers.

In my opinion if people want him to stop they should be prepared to offer better or the same kits at cheaper price
or with more features. Or at least be prepared to match him with a circuit which is theirs to sell.

Much better to leave him to it, he might make some money or he might end up in debt.

How long does it take one person to wind a tall coil ? And how much does a person charge for their labor ?

Sounds a bit expensive but not nearly as big a rip off as the good Mr Meyl's kits.

If the guy made his own site he would be untouchable as far as intellectual rights go, in my opinion anyway, right or wrong
I don't think he is breaking any laws in that area. Here's a tip for the guy. Fuse the circuits for safety.
I think if you want to walk away from home made circuits they need to have a fail safe.

I haven't looked that closely at the site so he may have safety features in place already as far as I know.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #165 on: February 16, 2013, 09:29:29 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #166 on: February 16, 2013, 05:23:02 PM »
I guess, the KickStarter site is somewhat corrupt itself: it has some rules, but it is impossible to report when somebody is breaking the rules. But there still is the Webmaster and even others over them.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #167 on: February 17, 2013, 08:04:53 AM »
One way you guys have is telling his backers what is going on... I have made a Creative commons video that you can all reshare weather on your own channel, playlists or other method you may want.... I have followed Slayers work for the last couple of years and I am not happy with the situation ... we only have 16 days to make a difference here so make the most of it I say ....


Your all welcome to reuse my video ... or even make your own.... but anyway here is a link to my video, I hope it helps ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDRfI_-U7ec




it is creative comms so there is no ads and you just need to click the "remix" button to get it over to your channel and share it with your subs ... all we have to do is convince a couple of the backers to look into this a little more and hopefully they will start pulling out, an even better out come would be a offer to back Slayer himself.... All the best to you all, this is about all I can do to help at this stage, hopefully enough people share it around that we get it in front of the right eyes




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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #167 on: February 17, 2013, 08:04:53 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #168 on: February 18, 2013, 01:48:58 AM »
Thanks Kult
I see Tesla Tronix made a new video. I guess he didn't look through the thread to good because the circuit he is using is on page 5.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #169 on: February 18, 2013, 02:27:29 AM »
I have seen his "original" circuit before at http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Slayer-Exciter/?ALLSTEPS
He is saying in his new video that his is an original circuit derived from woopy's but all I see is a money chaser.
Disabling comments to videos only make him seem more scummy.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #169 on: February 18, 2013, 02:27:29 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #170 on: February 18, 2013, 03:53:56 AM »
Thanks Kult
I see Tesla Tronix made a new video. I guess he didn't look through the thread to good because the circuit he is using is on page 5.


I did notice mate, strange how he dose that ey? lol we'll do all we can, I've already had a few subs post and tell me that the have added it to their channels hopefully one of his backers blows the whistle on him and he gets shut down.... if the Kickbacker site gets enough complaints they might take it a little more serious ...

Happen just to have their link for that right here lol http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/398893778/teslatronix-tesla-power-for-the-masses/report/new


anyone a member of redit ? lol

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2013, 04:31:02 AM »
To a certain extent I sympathize with Gary Bluer.  Mr. TeslaTronix is just a crafty Internet entrepreneur.  He did his research and created some fairly slick videos to go along with his Kickstarter pitch.  He is mostly making his pitch for the educational aspects of the device.  His stroke of genius was to get exposure via Kickstarter to people that do not follow the free energy forums at all.  So many people seeing the Kickstarter page will think it's new and really cool.

I thought that Kiskstarter was to fund small businesses and stuff like that.  He seems to be using it as a way to sell way-overpriced kits.  So perhaps he is outside of the normal terms of use for Kiskstarter and they will pull the plug on him?

He says, "Boasting one of the most simple Tesla coil driving circuits ever, TT makes wireless electricity simple, easy, and cheap for everyone."  Again, people on Kickstarter are for the most part (assuming) not free energy forum readers.  Some will assume that this is a device for "wireless electricity for the home" and that's wrong.

These circuits are fun to play with on your bench.  When you do that you are in the presence of a fairly strong high-voltage AC electric field.  I don't think that anybody wants to be subjected to high-voltage AC electrical fields for hours at a time.  It's kind of like living inside a microwave oven.  I am pretty sure that up to the skin depth the AC electrical field will induce AC currents going through your body.  So when you see a CFL bulb light up, that's one load.  What you might not realize is that your body itself is probably a small "load" because of the induced AC currents flowing through your flesh.

Whenever a product is put onto the market, it has to go through EMI compliance testing.  There are firmly established norms for the maximum amount of EMI radiation a device can emit.  This is also frequency dependent.

Probably 99% of ALL of the devices that you play with that use flyback pulses or high-voltage-high-frequency transformers like the Slayer exciter would NEVER pass EMI compliance testing.  So that means your devices are interfering with the radio spectrum and/or possibly emanating harmful amounts of EM radiation for humans.  That's another angle that might shut down Mr. TeslaTronix.

There is a chance that Mr. TeslaTronix will get is $15K and then just close up shop.  Not bad for making simple circuits on your kitchen table at night.

These simple high-voltage transformer circuits are nothing special and they have been around forever.  So in my opinion it's very hard to make an intellectual property argument for this stuff.  Right now it looks like it is more like first-come-first-served with the Kickstarter people.  The Kickstarter people had no clue what this was all about and thought it was cool and so they gave the guy the green light.  Mr. TeslaTronix gets to laugh all the way to the bank.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2013, 04:31:02 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #172 on: February 18, 2013, 05:12:34 PM »
Hi Slayer
as you always say   for private and non commercial use only    thats plain english to me
he has not have the enthussiam we have for long nights without sleep to achieve a better or best result of each variant
the burns in our hands, the mound of MPSA06  and lastly the moment of truth when the lamp lit up our home .......
its FREE   FOR EVERYBODY  TO ENJOY 
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2013, 08:25:46 PM »
I have one suggestion, bombard the oatmeal and get them to put it out what is going on. I can definitely see how this is a modern version of what happened between Tesla and Edison from back in the day. So I am betting he might very well get involved and we could end up with enough people knowing what exactly is going on here.  I wrote him after you got back to me Gbluer, over on youtube (morphtrust) Thanks by the way for explaining it to me, I passed this on to the 1200 people who may or may not read my facebook info, and discussed it with a few of the more well known steampunks I have made acquaintances with, so they are spreading the word as well.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2013, 08:25:46 PM »
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« Reply #174 on: February 19, 2013, 02:20:35 AM »
First I would like to say hello to the members of this community.

Teslatronix, has been quite busy lately and has had little time to deal with keeping up with correspondences and defending his image / reputation.

The Kickstarter project pointed out in this thread has taken up a lot of time and he has been busy organizing a team of people to help, along with sourcing the components, and planning all the necessary logistics. I will elaborate more on that later, for now there are some matters to address:

Kaulder / Kultus / DesertExperimenter,

First, your posts on this forum thread violate the forum registration agreement:

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You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.

The video you have produced and published on YouTube, in which you identify Teslatronix and advocate redistribution of your defamatory statements, constitutes criminal defamation in all states of Australia under the Uniform Defamation Law. The criteria for proving criminal defamation are explicitly expressed numerous times in your published video.

Disagreeing with someone who is acting within the law, on what constitutes fair business practices, does not give you the right to harass and defame them, and there are very well defined legal standards for resolving this type of behavior and awarding monetary damages, even from those who are merely redistributing your video.

Consider this a warning. If you do not take down the video, you are opening yourself up for legal action.


To the other members of this community:

We understand that several members of this community are concerned about the use of a specific circuit, which is freely available from numerous sources online, many of which do not have adequate accreditation.

First, please understand that when freely publishing information, there is no legal recourse for enforcing how that information is used, redistributed in other forms, or modified. One cannot simply draw something, publish it online, and say it's not for commercial use.

If you wish to protect your intellectual property, specifically designs, a patent is necessary. However, patents do not give your idea ultimate protection. Patents afford inventors limited protection for a specific period of time, and are meant for advancing the state of the art; after the given period of protection has expired anyone may use the designs in any commercial or non-commercial manner they choose.

Even during the period of protection, individuals or businesses may build the protected device for experimental purposes. This exists to encourage the advancement of the state of the art, as patents that do not accurately express the method of operation may be challenged, and those who are able to significantly improve the device may re-patent it in their own name.

If you truly want to protect your work, you must keep it secret; the downside is if someone else publishes the same idea you then don't even get credit for the idea.

It seems that the majority of members here understand this, and that all design is in some way derived from other designs in whole or part.

Others here think it is unfair to sell something that is freely available online, Teslatronix has himself on numerous occasions expressed that the information on this technology is freely available, and has made the information of what he was experimenting with available to the public. His goal is to inform, educate, and provide hobbyists and experimenters with kits and completed experimental devices to be used in their own experiments.

With respect to the Kickstarter, people are not forced to buy schematics, it exists merely as a low level donation reward for those who want to help the project, and get something physical they can hold onto and look at. It is no different those who have decided to pledge $1 to help the project without any expectations of anything physical in return. 

For clarification:

1. The final circuit diagrams and information that will be delivered for backer rewards, while in some ways may be derived from others work, are significantly different modifications, or entirely different from those in question.


2. The diagrams, and information are of original author and are not authored by anyone other than Teslatronix; they do not violate any copyrights. 

For example: If you draw a cat, and write a book on cats, the work is copy written to you. This does not mean however that someone else can't draw a picture of a cat (whether the same or different) or write a book on cats in different verbiage. Copyright does not protect the subject matter of drawing or book; only the actual end product.

3. Much more than just a basic oscillator circuit drawing is being delivered at the $15 donation level. Complete written instructions with illustrations, photographs, as well as downloadable content will be provided for how to build complete Tesla coils, and numerous related devices and accessories, as well as basic circuit theory, how to solder and other information so as to be a complete educational package for beginners. 

Information on how to cook is freely available virtually everywhere. Does this mean that everyone will be able to easily find the recipes, gather quality ingredients, and follow the directions they find, and wind up with a meal that is of the quality of a professional chef? 

Does this mean that no one should be allowed to collect, organize, and present information how to cook in a very easy to follow way for those who are not savvy enough to create their own recipes?

4. The same information in its most basic form will be available for free to the public, for those who actually have the skill and understanding to interpret and follow circuit drawings and technical language without being educated on it first.

If you think you can produce kits cheaper than us, by all means do so, but I can assure you that there is virtually no profit margin on these, and if you had to pay someone else hourly to merely produce these kits, you would lose money outright.

When you look at the cost of a kit to build a Tesla coil, keep in mind 10% of that money right off the bat goes to Kickstarter as their fee.  Also shipping costs, and packing materials are factored into that price. Go ahead and price boxes, tape, bubble wrap, and plastic zip bags.

Now go ahead and source the components. The spools of magnet wire provided alone cost $10. Now factor in that an individual would be buying small quantities and paying significant shipping on each item order, from numerous vendors.

Many people have done the math themselves, for $50 people get almost everything they need to make a Tesla coil, and this is why so many people have backed the kits, because they realize it is absolutely worth them paying $50 to not have to spend all the time, and in a lot of cases its actually cheaper than they could buy the materials, not factoring in the time they would spend.

While Teslatronix is not a member of this forum, it does not mean that he should be harassed and defamed for what he is trying to do.

Teslatronix has a background in electronics, and created a YouTube channel in order to show people the things he was experimenting on.

He wants to create a website, forum, and ultimately a community of online experimenters and researchers to promote energy independence, alternative power sources, and general science; as well as procuring additional tools, hardware, and materials to continue and advance his own research.

Tools and materials are expensive these days, initially it was recommended to Teslatronix to create a Kickstarter for Tesla coils to see if there was any interest in this subject matter. The initial goal was fairly low, and he never expected to make any significant profit.

His goal was simply to be able to have the funds to purchase some materials in bulk, distribute the information and kits to the public, while maybe making a little $ or breaking even with some extra materials left over to put towards other projects, web hosting, and some equipment. The low pledge request and limited number of backer rewards is viewable by all.

He never expected the level of support that has come about, but at the same time should he turn it down when there is the capability to fulfill all orders from the backers?

What started as a project that could have been easily completed by one person part time, has turned into something that has the potential to create something significant.

Everything has been very busy here and while things may seem incomplete or disjointed, that is soon to change. In a very short time a core team has been assembled to fulfill all aspects of the Kickstarter project with the utmost quality and professionalism.

Whether it be project management, research & design, fabrication, packaging & shipping, media production / web design, or Legal we have all aspects covered, and some big things are on their way.
 
Now that the project has become successful, a handful of people have come out of the woodwork, thinking they are entitled to money or equipment, or telling us we should either fix our prices, cap our sales, or otherwise limit our project in some way.

These people think they are entitled to money and equipment from us without being part of the project or doing any of the work. When they were encouraged to start their own Kickstarter projects, they launched a massive smear campaign rather than collaborate or cross promote each other's work.

We encourage anyone who wants to do a similar project to go ahead, competition and collaboration in parallel lines of research is what we are all about. It is a shame that a few individuals have decided to devote so much of their time to trying to destroy someone else rather than create a project of their own.

For those of you who think that Teslatronix is somehow taking all the money out of the market, two months ago there was a Tesla coil Kickstarter project that generated $160,000. Teslatroix's Kickstarter is a fraction of that, and is not stopping any of you from starting your own project.

If you want to start your own Kickstarter we'd even be happy to give you some advice and cross promote your work. If it's something we find worthwhile we may even back it! There are billions of people in the world, the 200 some people backing Teslatronix Kickstarter are not going to keep you from making your own successful project. Working together to promote the technology and cross promote our work is only going to draw in more backers for everyone, imagine if any of these ideas went mainstream.

If you're not willing to do the work required to make something successful, and have had ample time in the past to try to do so, why try to stop someone else from achieving success?

These people have now continued by recruiting others who are uninformed of the situation, to continue to defame Teslatronix & the Kickstarter project.

Teslatronix is not trying to hide anything by disabling video comments on YouTube.

I'm betting if you had a YouTube channel and woke up to dozens of vulgar defamatory comments by a very small group of people who kept making additional YouTube accounts in order to post additional comments you would disable them too, rather than waste your time spending all day moderating comments when you actually have real work to do.

I hope this has clarified things, and we encourage you to visit our YouTube channel, as there are many updates soon to come.

http://www.youtube.com/teslatronix1


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #175 on: February 19, 2013, 03:05:30 AM »
 :o :o

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #176 on: February 19, 2013, 05:55:23 AM »
Tesla Tronix anyway you say it your just trying to make money off someone elses work.
If you just wanted to just get the information out you would just show it for free instead of charging  $15 to see it.
A little hint you will get a lot views for free. :o
And even if it cost $10 for wire remember this is only a few component circuit.
 

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #177 on: February 19, 2013, 06:08:21 AM »

Firstly My name is not Kaulder, I have no idea where you got that from, You may call me Kul'tus, if you can pronounce it...



Secondly: A warning for me? oh you / he shouldn't have ....


sue me ?


Go for it.


Wonder where you're /he'd be going to get the money to sue someone from another country???


You / he wouldn't be considering Misappropriation of funds would you now ?




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I'm betting if you had a YouTube channel and woke up to dozens of vulgar defamatory comments by a very small group of people who kept making additional YouTube accounts in order to post additional comments you would disable them too, rather than waste your time spending all day moderating comments when you actually have real work to do.

Considering none of us would do what you / he  has done, we have no fear of such an attack, further more if we happened to copy someone else work by mistake and we found out about it,  The person would be man enough to take it on the chin and apologize. Not like TT and start a political campaign to see who is the better sales man ....  No one has cussed you out although I am sure that Slayer can prove your abuse towards him.  You or TT want to sue me for speaking the truth... BRING IT ON!


I look forward to hearing from somebodies lawyer ....

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #178 on: February 19, 2013, 06:21:20 AM »
I'd just like to say that DesertExperimenter isn't what I would call a typical Australian,
I cringe when I see video's like that. If that video was shown to a court he would be likely classed as a raving loon.
I doubt it would have any effect on the kickstarter people, except to drop their jaws in wonder for a bit.
Like many others he libels people without even being aware of his actions, vilifying people in text is not a good idea.
It's kinda weird if you ask me, all this ruckus over a few components arranged on a board that no one has any intellectual rights to.
When we post stuff online as open source we agree to allow anyone to use the circuits any way they wish.

If we look at open source software I think it can be modified packaged and sold on legally.  It might not seem right but I think
it is a risk we take when we post our circuits online in public for public use.

At least he called it a slayer variant, he could have called it anything, my suggestion to him is drop all reference to slayer.
What is slayers circuit a variant of ? Does slayer give credit to the designer of the circuit he modeled his own around ?
Is slayers circuit original in all respects, as in what it does or it's component parts ?
I've never  really looked to closely at slayers circuits but from what I can tell
it's just a feedback oscillator isn't it ? All circuits are just variants of each other, there are only a few core components.

Personally I think you guys should look more to the safety aspect of it if you want to stop it.
I have Tesla coils both large and small continuous wave circuits and non continuous wave designs, HV and LV
and I agree when you fire up a Tesla coil and you are near it you become swamped with it's field, if it
works well and has any power, I wouldn't consider continuous use of them "safe",
especially not with children around, and that's not even considering electric shock or fire hazards.

As well as that they interfere with radio reception and could be considered a breech of some law if the power exceeds a certain amount.
An experiment every now and then is not so bad as having one run all night to power a night light or something. They cause radio interference
and if it happens to affect an emergency radio frequency would you feel good about that ? Is anyone aware of the frequencies they can use and
the frequencies they should stay away from to avoid problem interference ?

I don't see any infringement of intellectual rights.

Can someone post "The Slayer Exciter circuit" which is supposedly slayers to control or have rights to ?

Cheers

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #179 on: February 19, 2013, 06:46:25 AM »
Farmhand, having a dig at me as to weather or not I am a "typical" Aussie or not is constructive to the discussion how ?




We are more than aware that the best step will be to aim at safety of the device at question, I think your long winded explanation there was to cover up for your dislike of me ? in any order I am not here to make friends, only to make a difference, don't care what you want to call me, but know it wont go unnoticed.


If anyone does the wrong thing, I will happily call them out, weather it be something against the law or by morals... they will hear from me, if you don't like than, then maybe you should get up on the soap box and have a go, if not me, then who is around to keep the bastards honest, if you don't have what it takes to step up on that soap box then leave it to someone who is.


 Having someone is better than no-one.  If don't like my videos and cringe so much over them .... stop watching them FFS it's not like that's any form of rockets science ..... 

 

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