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Author Topic: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter  (Read 231780 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #150 on: February 15, 2013, 01:04:16 AM »
Sorry people but this is why I will not be showing any more of my circuits on line.

TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — Kickstarter

He is selling the slayer exciters, kits, and also selling my circuit diagrams.

I tried to get kickstarter to stop the project but no emails from them yet.

I tried to talk to TeslaTronix many times. His response was to F off.

Dont take it so badly. This just shows that there is interest in this stuff. ;)

If you have a better idea, then send it to kick starter and kick some butt!!

I know it sucks that this happened. But ya know what? Now is the time to break out the full blown 'open source' document to the device that was taken. They can do nothing about it being it has been shown by you for a while now. If they complain, tell them to F*** off. They sould completely understand that language.  ;) And you can prove it.  :o

The only way to beat them is to play the game, if your up for it.  ;)

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #150 on: February 15, 2013, 01:04:16 AM »

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #151 on: February 15, 2013, 01:12:47 AM »
Ya know, looking over that site, there are details presented. Is any of it, word for word what you might have said in a post or email? 

What would really get Kick starters attn. is a letter from your atty. This always gets some attn. ;)   When you just contact them your self, they think you got nothin. Geddit?

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #152 on: February 15, 2013, 04:33:49 AM »
@Slayer
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Sorry people but this is why I will not be showing any more of my circuits on line.
TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — Kickstarter
He is selling the slayer exciters, kits, and also selling my circuit diagrams.
I tried to get kickstarter to stop the project but no emails from them yet.

I can understand your concern and it is a terrible thing that someone may profit from a variation of your design which is in fact a simple variation of stifflers circuits which was a variation of someone else's work with a HV Joule theif which was simply a blocking oscillator prior to that. Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?.
 
 
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #152 on: February 15, 2013, 04:33:49 AM »
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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #153 on: February 15, 2013, 09:13:43 AM »
''Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?. ''

Slayer hasn't made any financial profit from this device.  Tesla Tronix has.  I think Slayer is angry because this guy is calling what he is selling 'a slayer exciter', and so he is basically selling Slayers hard work. I think Tesla Tronix is acting in a highly unethical way.[/size]

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« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2013, 01:52:21 PM »
''Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?. ''

Slayer hasn't made any financial profit from this device.  Tesla Tronix has.  I think Slayer is angry because this guy is calling what he is selling 'a slayer exciter', and so he is basically selling Slayers hard work. I think Tesla Tronix is acting in a highly unethical way.[/size]

I don't think so. I think Slayer wanted to share with everyone his hard work and he mainly expected that everyone know how and why Slayer's technology works. I think if Slayer would wanted to sell his devices/schematics/ideas he would be able to do it. But a guy is replicating and selling his hard work. I think it can be about ethics, but business and ethics don't always come hand by hand.

I don't know Slayer, but I think he's a good man. He only needs to learn more. But it's obvious that if you don't want that someone else get proffit from your time and efforts, one of the most practise ways is not to publish the results.

Here we've a quote:
"Do you want that I tell you a secret my friend?..... It would be better if I don't".  ;)

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« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2013, 01:52:21 PM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #155 on: February 15, 2013, 01:57:16 PM »
Hi Conrad,
I have to say I really don't understand your post.  Do you really think it is ok for someone to steal an idea from some else and claim it as their own?  And do you really think it is ok for them to try and make a profit off someone else's efforts?  We have had at least 2 other people on the Energetic Forum that have had their ideas ripped off by lowlifes that are too lazy to do their own work.  I know in this world the way it is now this kind of thing is getting more and more common but that does not make it right.
Respectfully,
Carroll

@Slayer
I can understand your concern and it is a terrible thing that someone may profit from a variation of your design which is in fact a simple variation of stifflers circuits which was a variation of someone else's work with a HV Joule theif which was simply a blocking oscillator prior to that. Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?.
AC

Since mankind started to "invent" something (may be since 200.000 years), people are stealing ideas from each other. To call it "stealing" implies a certain philosophy, namely the idea that "making a profit" is the goal of doing something. But there are a great many goals more worthy than "making a profit".

I like the idea that people make progress by learning from each other. Therefore it is important for me that people show what they have developed or discovered so that other people can use it and develop it even further. So, what many call "stealing" is in fact "learning". And it just depends on philosophy or worldview (Weltbild).

It is a very recent development that "learning from each other" has become "stealing from each other". It came with capitalism and did not really exist a few hundred years ago. Only since humankind has begun to see everything in terms of "making money".

The "intellectual property" idea was formalised in law at the end of the 19th century because of the industrial revolution. "Intellectual property" only serves capital. The lone inventor who becomes rich is a dream that very rarely becomes true. But big and rich companies benefit from "intellectual property" (in short from "patents") routinely every day.

The only thing I want to say: to protect ideas only makes sense in a capitalistic society and it only makes sense for the financially powerful. If you want that, well, cry because someone "steals your ideas". It will not help you, unless you have a lot of capital.

I want to share ideas and I want to learn from the ideas of others like I allow others to learn from my ideas (however small they are). It is a confrontation of worldviews, "capitalism" against "sharing", take your pick. But first look at your financial assets, that should help you to decide. Do not be such a sorry sight of having (almost) nothing and talking like a capitalist.

I understand that a rich individual defends "intellectual property", it makes sense, because having money is equivalent to being powerful. But I do not understand that a "non rich person" defends capitalism, she or he must have lost her or his sense of reality.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #156 on: February 15, 2013, 02:24:57 PM »
Slayer, think for example about the Keppe Motor. All we can say that it's a copy of a newman motor. Is unethical? I don't know, but to be sure, a lot of people has met the "Newman" motor thanks to keppe. It's just only different points of views.

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Offline NickZ

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #157 on: February 15, 2013, 06:44:06 PM »
  I remember just a few years ago we were trying to replicate something called a Joule Thief.  Now some of the garden lights use that same technology to light several leds off of just a single AA battery. As well as the Christmas lights, lighting many leds off of just a battery or two.  And they sell them for less than it would cost to buy the individual parts. 
The Chinese are very crafty people, and will apply any worthwhile gadget to their benefit. Who can stop that??? 
  I feel that we should stay with the "Open Source" idea, and not let money get in the way.
Those that have money to invest in a product, will do so. Those that don't won't. But, as a whole, we have all won.
 All these worthwhile ideas will end up a gadget, at some point. But, not all countries agree on the patent rights, either. So, what's to keep someone especially in other countries from replicating and selling your ideas?  Just saying so?
The original Kacher device, Dr. Stifflers SEC projects, Joule Thief circuits, Tesla ideas, etz... which came first?
 But, There is still no actual free energy device on the market, or is there???
 I mean other than solar, hydro, or wind products. Which are in no way free, as they cost quite a bit, including their battery banks.


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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #158 on: February 15, 2013, 09:36:34 PM »
''Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?. ''

Slayer hasn't made any financial profit from this device.  Tesla Tronix has.  I think Slayer is angry because this guy is calling what he is selling 'a slayer exciter', and so he is basically selling Slayers hard work. I think Tesla Tronix is acting in a highly unethical way.[/size]

Flathunter's right I see him as just using the slayer exciter and my work to scam people. $15 for diagrams that are online for free, $325 for an exciter that should cost under $20 to make.
 

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #159 on: February 15, 2013, 10:18:15 PM »
Flathunter's right I see him as just using the slayer exciter and my work to scam people. $15 for diagrams that are online for free, $325 for an exciter that should cost under $20 to make.

@Slayer: So, you show the good schematics for free on the Internet. And you show for free what the components really cost and where to get them. Further you show for free how to build the thing.

In principle you already have done that (by publishing your videos on YouTube). A new video or small web site pulling everything together in a comprehensible and concise way would be the ultimate revenge.

Then you have effectively counteracted the scam. If people still want to buy from a scammer, so be it. You could offer a kit for $25.-, but I think that this would only be a burden and will not give you a profit.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #160 on: February 15, 2013, 10:22:02 PM »
  Until the next guy sells an Exciter for $25, including the diagram. Or some oriental guys, will sell them for less than that.
  But, I know how you feel... and can't blame you.

  Look at what happened with Lasersaber's all in one solar device. Same thing...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/solarjuan/eclipse-the-day-and-night-solar-solution


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Offline Qwert

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #161 on: February 15, 2013, 11:14:06 PM »
Sorry people but this is why I will not be showing any more of my circuits on line.

TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — Kickstarter

He is selling the slayer exciters, kits, and also selling my circuit diagrams.

I tried to get kickstarter to stop the project but no emails from them yet.

I tried to talk to TeslaTronix many times. His response was to F off.

I guess, this needs an action to write more complains to the KickStarter. Complaining only on this forum won't help too much. Any address, to contact the KickStarter to express a complain?

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« Reply #162 on: February 16, 2013, 12:11:06 AM »
 At the very bottom of the kickstarter there is section that can be used to make comments, and report this add, but you have to sign in to use it.

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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #163 on: February 16, 2013, 12:24:56 AM »
These exciters are just another way to drive a Tesla coil, each different circuit is just a variation of the same basic thing.
A Kacher circuit does basically the same thing as a joule thief. Is there anything to really protect ?
The wireless aspect is a curiosity but it isn't all that useful when the distance is so short. Many of us can light tubes without wire's
but it isn't all that practical, the aspect of draining non rechargeable batteries right down is useful, though only if one has
the non rechargeable batteries to drain down.

As far as expecting people to not copy things that are not protected, I don't get it.
Imagine if the first guy to make a hat was seen wearing his hat then others began to copy his hat and use it,
does the guy who first made the hat have the right to go around telling other people they have no right to make
their own hat or make a hat for other people who might not be capable of making a hat but can catch fish to trade for hats.
Unless he was the only one with a weapon and had lots of time to deny everyone the use of the hat idea he would quickly
realize if he wanted to manufacture and sell hats he would have needed to be the only one to understand how to make the hat
and have control of all the hat making materials.

Would it be ethical to deny others the right to make a hat or to make and sell hats when it is such a simple thing ?
Some things are just too simple to warrant any protections.

The only way to protect a simple idea is to keep it secret.

Here's the bottom line, an exciter is really just a Tesla coil and 90% of the circuits that people use to drive the low power exciters do the exact same thing.

What is there to protect ? A few lines on a piece of paper ?

I thought we were open source experimenters/developers working for the good of mankind
to produce concepts and devices that save energy and better the environment.

I have a question for those with young children. Would you use an exciter to provide the power for a nightlight
or other such thing to be used for long periods in the same room as the young child ? Does the exciter not affect the environment ?
What are the effects of HF radiating devices on children ? Are the devices safe in the case of malfunction and fire.
If the transistor fails does the battery become shorted by the primary and maybe start a fire ?
How safe are the circuits and are they really suitable for sale without some safety aspects being addressed ?
Does anyone have any insurance against the devices they sell causing injury and legal action ?
If you sell an exciter and it burns down someones home and people die where do you stand legally ?
Imagine some young fellow (living with parents) with very little electronic experience buys an exciter online and sets it up in the
family home and it catches fire and burns the house down. If you charged the young fella money for the device and you claimed
it was safe and suitable for sale, then you could be held accountable maybe.

If I come up with a new circuit and post it online it's open source, all I ask is maybe some recognition, but it's not required. Use, use, use I say.

Cheers



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Re: GBluer(Slayer) Exiter
« Reply #164 on: February 16, 2013, 02:17:32 AM »
I guess, it's even not about protecting rights; it is rather about making people aware that the product which that guy sells for real money, is available for free and it was available long time before he started his enterprise.
To make a comment on that site, one not only must register; only "backers" can do that. So, first you have to back him with at least $1 promise and must have established account to do so.

 

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