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Author Topic: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences  (Read 11443 times)

Offline wings

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2010, 06:14:28 PM »
I wanted to add something in here, but I don't know if it works. I'm sure some of you remember the small video about the Testatika and Luzi (or who the guy was) building the 2m diameter Testatika disc claiming that the grid-segments on the disc need to be slightly magnetized otherwise it wouldn't work.
I have digged in some forums and and found out that with different magnetizations you can move charges on segments. So lets assume you have magnetized the sectors on 1 disk magnetized with one Magnetpole and the sectors of disk 2 with the other magnetpole one would have 2 different influencing segments without even using a neutralizer or anything else.
It might be possible that this could be a way to get the same electrostatic effects as a wimshurst - just without any contact.

(PS: aluminium cannot be magnetized)

some considerations if you like:

If I remember Luzi told to look at the nature and similarities with the ground the clouds and lightning.

magnet like earth magnetism and electrostatic like what happen between the clouds and earth.

magnetism probably help to align the plasma ions - electrons spin and with spin aligned the current becomes ballistic?

it said ... important is to don't' have spark  ..... also multipactor effect?

electret (electrostatic charges) and magnetism also in the Linden experiment.

Bearden give similar idea capacitor and magnetism....?

...............

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Offline f_dyne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2010, 06:57:13 PM »

Re F_dyne's stuff, I've tried in the past but I could never understand his principle - sorry F_dyne, if you're listening.
-Steve
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Hi Steve & others,

I'm sorry I thought that my (last) TEI theory was quite simple to grasp, I must admit that there is some known "garbage" in my communication though.
Let's start again, I'll try to make it simpler.

Suppose that you have a RF-transparent box with air molecules inside and an antenna outside.
The antenna doesn't see the air molecules because there is no RF radiation from neutral molecules.
So, we ionize the air molecules inside.
We will then have much more, say, O2+ O2- N2+ N2- inside (I agree on the fact that the equivalent ionization energy inside everyday standard air due to heat is completely insufficient to produce that wattage, in fact I calculated it in a convincing manner for me on january 2008, I had problems to reach the integral mathematical precision prior to trying numerical integration on wxMaxima).
The energy to obtain O2+O2- and N2+N2- atom couples (ions) should be of the same order of the first ionization energy, 10 to 15 eV.
So now inside the box there are some charged ions wandering.
The total charge is 0 still.
What I expect now is that a ion should emit the equivalent of a photon when accelerated.
So, if you stop it, it can emit a photon; if you kick it, it can emit a photon (to make it simple, because the energy is trasmitted also mechanically and can be given or absorbed depending on the cases).
From the pratical point of view (attention, this is "my physics" but I say this from observation and I think it is "inside" standard physics, Lenz law consequent) for example if you have two electrons, or two negative ions which from the electromechanical point of view are the very same things but for the accelerations, if one of them "kicks" (accelerates) orthogonally to the separing distance then the other sees and "kicks" in the opposite direction of the acceleration of the first after a d/c delay.
When the molecules hit themselves then, I expect them to produce RF power at some typical frequency .
This RF power interacts very easily with other ions due to its typical frequency being a "constant" determined by air themodynamical parameters.
So, the air should screen itself RF ion power; this is interesting because it means that we must increase the RF transfer surface area.
Then the ions in the box can interact with the conduction electrons outside the box inside the antenna.
Normally the electrons in the antenna will act to reflect back the RF photons, but if you use part of this energy closing the circuit through a resistance then only a fraction of the RF photons will be reflected back.
Where the energy gain came from? Thermal motion...
Cheers,

F_dyne

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« Last Edit: March 23, 2010, 08:06:04 PM by f_dyne »

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2010, 07:53:27 PM »
Quote
I'm sure some of you remember the small video about the Testatika and Luzi (or who the guy was) building the 2m diameter Testatika disc claiming that the grid-segments on the disc need to be slightly magnetized otherwise it wouldn't work.

Speaking of magnetized segments -and please note and forgive, just speaking without
having started any sperimentation yet!- I have some doubts in merit.
First doubt: those segments shown by Luzi really look CLEAR PLASTIC! I wonder that
nobody mentioned or noticed that before! I studied many many times the frames where
they're shown, they're definitely clear, transparent, flexible plastic like overhead projection
transparencies. From the translation he says "one could magnetize them" IIRC. I can't
figure out what special kind of "alloy" or substance is it, a clear plastic-alike that could
e magnetized... perhaps something like conductive plastic used somewhere in computers
stuff and which can be magnetized... why not just metal sheet ?

Second doubt: (from Testatika yahoo group, files section, visiter report from sept 1994
files, D.jpg) this and other reporst makes me wonder how much those reports are
reliable. A flexible lamella is drawn. "STEEL" is written on top. Ok, as I said that's
a clear plastic substance, definitely NOT steel. "50 lamellae per one side etc." is
written at the bottom. THE SECTORS (lamellas) ARE DEFINITELY 48, FOURTY EIGHT
for side, NOT 50 !" I accurately analized all the pictures available, starting from the
3KW machine disks I have replicated, proceeding thru the Elephant, the Bull and the
Tandem. They all have 48 per side (well, the Tandem has just 24 in place but already
the holes for the missing 24 ones). After all, anybody would find much simpler to
split a circle in multiples of 4. An exception are the two old small disks machines, they've
20 wires (which is always a multiple of 4).
So far I don't know to what extent the magnetization scheme drawn in the center
of sheet may be credible or just a guesswork.

In the said first machines we have not grid sectors but plain wire. It may well be
coated copper wire, like the one used for patches on PCBs. Ok, it could be plain
iron or steel wire as well. There's no way here for a complex magnetization scheme.
No holes for virtual particles to appear etc. So the principle is still simpler.

Quote
I have digged in some forums and and found out that with different magnetizations you can move charges on segments. So lets assume you have magnetized the sectors on 1 disk magnetized with one Magnetpole and the sectors of disk 2 with the other magnetpole one would have 2 different influencing segments without even using a neutralizer or anything else.
It might be possible that this could be a way to get the same electrostatic effects as a wimshurst - just without any contact.
What you're reporting should be studied in detail. I'm a bit hard in that, it's clear
that a magnetic fields influences the charges, but a simple sketch/scheme would be good.
Concerning the contact, I read that wimshurst can well work without contacting brushes
and neutralizers, if we supply the starting charge. Concerning neutralizer, well, the
Testatikas have plenty of keys around the disks (a fixed scheme of six in front and
corresp. six behind has been chosen for the Bull and Elephant), while wimshursts
have 4+4, so we can't exclude any neutralizer function there.

Note that I don't want to exclude completely the possibility of sectors being magnetized.
I'm just very unsure that it might be required so much, rather than just an improvement,
or even a side effect. I know that reports tell that the 3KW sectors appear slightly
magnetized, and also the "diode" caps. Well many things here usually gets magnetized,
like the iron filing when you drill a hole or file a piece of iron. I just don't want to see
magnets all arounds when, from what I suppose, the only "key" magnets are the various
horseshoes seen in the 3KW, the little 2-disks and the unfinished machine with Luzi and
his wife. (We don't see any of them in the Bull and Elephant, chances are that they were
really brought inside the big pots.)
I also can't figure out any magnets in the single disk machine, the one that Marinov
inspected stating that there're no magnet inside the pots. So the only place for a
hidden magnet may be the strange round object at the bottom, if any.

I had also a theory (or better, a very raw idea...) re. the fact that the little machine
must be oriented in a way in order to start. Like the homopolar generator, if we have
a disk axis oriented N-S and the disk rotating CCW (we looking north) some charge
could move horizontally at the top and bottom of the disk. I don't know exactly how,
but such a principle could help for the disk to get the initial charge or the initial
condition for starting.

Last ruminations from me, I promise   :D

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2010, 07:53:27 PM »
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2010, 12:30:22 AM »
F_dyne,
Let me see if I got it. You have a box containing air at ambient temperature for example, 273K. This means molecules in there are moving around randomly. You then ionize many of the molecules so that now you have ionized moving molecules. Since they're moving, they give off RF which would pick up externally using an antenna - for example. Is that right?
-Steve
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Offline f_dyne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 01:03:00 PM »
F_dyne,
Let me see if I got it. You have a box containing air at A temperature for example, 273K. This means molecules in there are moving around randomly. You then ionize many of the molecules so that now you have ionized moving molecules. Since they're moving, they give off RF which would pick up externally using an antenna - for example. Is that right?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

Yes you could say it that way also.
There are some subtle aspects.
For example, RF is not generated from molecular speed, but from acceleration.
The total energy must be everytime conserved.
There is no energy generation, but conversion.
A pratical device that shows some behaviour is Blumlein generator (or spiral impulse generator), which I rediscovered in 2007.
http://tesladownunder.com/HVsupplies.htm
(search Blumlein)
Remember this?
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/testapictures.html
(June 2007 amplification principle component test)

F_dyne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
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Offline Steven Dufresne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2010, 02:05:10 PM »
Yes you could say it that way also.
There are some subtle aspects.
For example, RF is not generated from molecular speed, but from acceleration.

What causes the acceleration?
-Steve
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Offline f_dyne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2010, 02:31:08 PM »
What causes the acceleration?
-Steve
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The molecular hits.
If one or more charged molecules are involved in a hit, the fast charge speed change due to the hit releases a photon.
The energy of the photon depends on the kinetic energy variation if we assume that the charge is in a globally neutral electric field.

F_dyne

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Re: New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences
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