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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: Cydonian on March 24, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
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Muammer Yildiz is a Turkish inventor and in the youtube video, he says "I got the international patent and I will make a demo on may, 2010".
He says he has already made some business contracts with some big companies in Germany.
I think this time petrol companies will be destroyed forever! :D
Watch it folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PW1WD-3E8
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Found the patent...
international patent: WO/2009/019001
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/fetch.jsp?LANG=ENG&DBSELECT=PCT&SERVER_TYPE=19-10&SORT=11289098-KEY&TYPE_FIELD=256&IDB=0&IDOC=1692293&C=10&ELEMENT_SET=B&RESULT=1&TOTAL=2&START=1&DISP=25&FORM=SEP-0/HITNUM,B-ENG,DP,MC,AN,PA,ABSUM-ENG&SEARCH_IA=EP2008006459&QUERY=(IN%2fYildiz+AND+IN%2fMuammer)+
The description of the patent is in German.
The google translation to English is http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&langpair=de%7Cen&u=http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/fetch.jsp%3FSEARCH_IA%3DEP2008006459%26DBSELECT%3DPCT%26ABIMAGE%3D12022009%252FEP2008006459_12022009_gz_en.x4%26C%3D10%26TOTAL%3D2%26IDB%3D0%26TYPE_FIELD%3D256%26SERVER_TYPE%3D19-10%26SORT%3D11289098-KEY%26QUERY%3D(IN%252FYildiz%2BAND%2BIN%252FMuammer)%2B%26START%3D1%26ELEMENT_SET%3DB%26RESULT%3D1%26DISP%3D25%26FORM%3DSEP-0%252FHITNUM%252CB-ENG%252CDP%252CMC%252CAN%252CPA%252CABSUM-ENG%26IDOC%3D1692293%26IA%3DEP2008006459%26LANG%3DENG%26DISPLAY%3DDESC
Can someone let us know if the translation is bad?
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Staffman.. translation okay.. but your link goes off the screen and I have to scroll back and forth to reply/read..
Looks very cool! I wonder how much torque/hp.
I found this image:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images/PCT-IMAGES/12022009/EP2008006459_12022009_gz_en.x4-b.jpg
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The following explains the contents of the picture 4Telsa supplied a link to.
11 shows a schematic diagram of an inventive device, which has an inner stator 2, a rotor 1 and an outer stator 3, which are arranged coaxially to a shaft axis 50 of a rotating, bar-shaped shaft 5. Der zylinderförmige innere Stator 2 weist an seinen beiden Enden jeweils eine kreisscheibenförmige Endkappe 13 mit jeweils einem Kugellager 11 auf. The cylindrical inner stator 2 has at its two ends each one circular-disk cap 13 with a ball bearing each 11th Mittels dieser Kugellager 11 ist der innere Stator 2 koaxial auf der Welle 5 gelagert. By means of these ball bearings 11, an inner stator 2 coaxially mounted on the shaft 5. Die Welle ist in einer typischen Ausführung aus nicht-magnetischem Material, zB Kunststoff, gefertigt und weist einen Durchmesser von 10 bis 40 mm und eine Länge von 100 bis 400 mm auf. The wave is produced in a typical embodiment of non-magnetic material, eg plastic and has a diameter of 10 to 40 mm and a length of 100 to 400 mm. Der innere Stator 2 weist einen inneren Statorkern 12 und The inner stator 2 has an inner stator 12 and
darauf entlang der Mantelfläche des inneren Stators 2 angeordnete Magnete 8 auf. out on along the outer surface of the inner stator 2 arranged magnets 8th Der innere Stator 2 ist mittels Schraubverbindungen 10 mit einer Befestigungseinrichtung 4, die in einem mechanischen Gehäuse zur Aufnahme der Vorrichtung (nicht dargestellt) angeordnet ist, fest verbunden und wird auf diese Weise feststehend gehalten. The inner stator 2 is by means of screw 10 with a fastening device 4 which is arranged not shown in a mechanical housing for receiving the device (), firmly attached and is kept fixed in this way.
Der Rotor 1 , bestehend aus zwei spiegelbildlich aufgebauten Rotortrommeln mit jeweils einem Rohrabschnitt und einer Kreisscheibe, ist mittels Schraubverbindungen 10 unbeweglich mit der Welle 5 verbunden. The rotor 1 consisting of two mirror-built rotor drums, each with a pipe section and a circular disk, by means of screw 10 is immovably connected to the shaft 5. Jede der Rotortrommeln weist Magnete 7 auf. Each of the rotor has magnets drums 7th Dabei handelt es sich um Dipolmagnete 7, deren magnetische Dipolachsen in zu der Welle 5 senkrecht angeordneten Ebenen verlaufen. These are run by dipole magnets 7, the magnetic dipole axis at right angles to the shaft 5 arranged levels. Jede der Rotortrommeln ist durch einen hohlzylinderförmigen Luftspalt von dem radial innerhalb der Rotortrommeln angeordneten inneren Stator 2 und durch einen ringförmigen Luftspalt von der Befestigungsscheibe 4 getrennt, die eine Symmetrieebene in Bezug auf die beiden Rotortrommeln des Rotors 1 darstellt. Each of the rotor drum is radially separated by a hollow cylindrical air gap of the rotor within the stator 2 and inner drums are arranged through an annular air gap of the fixing plate 4, which is a symmetry plane in terms of both rotor drums of the rotor 1. In einer typischen Ausführung weisen der ringförmige Luftspalt und der hohlzylinderförmigen Luftspalt jeweils eine Breite von 3 bis 50 mm auf. In a typical embodiment of the annular air gap and have the hollow cylindrical air gap in each case a width of 3 to 50 mm on. In den Kreisscheiben an den Stirnseiten der Rotortrommeln sind ebenfalls Dipolmagnete 700 angeordnet. In the circular disks at the ends of the rotor drums are also dipole magnets arranged 700th
Die Masse des Rotors 1 und der damit verbundenen Welle 5 ist rotationssymmetrisch verteilt, so dass bei einer Rotation um die Wellenachse 50 keine Unwucht auftritt. The mass of the rotor 1 and the associated shaft 5 is rotationally distributed, so that when a rotation occurs about the shaft axis 50 are balanced.
Der äußere Stator 3 besteht aus zwei getrennten ringförmigen Hälften The outer stator 3 is composed of two separate ring halves
(= Statorringe), jeweils mit Rahmen 9, Magneten 6 und Befestigungsteilen zur Befestigung der Magnete 6. (=) Stator ring, each with a frame 9, the magnet 6 and fasteners used for attaching the magnets 6th Jeder der Rahmen besteht aus einem Hohlzylinder, an dessen beiden Stirnseiten jeweils eine Ringscheibe angeordnet ist. Each of the frame consists of a hollow cylinder at its both ends is arranged in each case an annular disc. Auf diese Weise ist jeder der Statorringe an seiner äußeren Mantelfläche und an seinen beiden Stirnseiten von einem der Rahmen 9 bedeckt und zur Wellenachse 50 hin ohne Rahmen, dh offen. In this way, each of the stator ring is on its outer surface and at its two ends by a frame 9 of the cover and the shaft axis 50 toward no border, that is open. Innerhalb der Rahmen 9 befinden sich zwischen den Befestigungsteilen die Magnete 6. Within the frame 9 are located between the mounting points of the magnets 6th Jedem der beiden Statorringe ist jeweils eine der beiden Rotortrommeln des Rotors 1 zugeordnet. Each of the two stator ring is assigned to one of the two rotor drums of the rotor 1. Jeder der Statorringe ist durch einen ringförmigen Luftspalt mit einer Breite von 3 bis 50 mm von den radial innerhalb der Statorringe angeordneten Rotortrommeln des Rotors 1 getrennt. Each of the stator ring is radially separated by an annular air gap with a width of 3 to 50 mm from the rotor mounted within the stator ring drums of the rotor 1. Die an der Innenseite der Statorringe angeordneten Magnete 6 und die an der Außenseite On the inside of the stator 6 and the magnets are arranged on the outside
des Rotors 1 angeordneten Magnete 8 liegen sich also direkt gegenüber, nur durch den ringförmigen Luftspalt voneinander getrennt. of the rotor 1 mounted magnets 8 are then compared directly, only through the annular air gap separated. Jeder der Statorringe kann parallel zur Wellenachse 50 verschoben werden. Each of the stator ring is parallel to the shaft axis 50 to be moved. Das bedeutet, dass die relative Stellung des äußeren Stators 3 und damit die Überdeckung des Rotors 1 durch den äußeren Stator während des Betriebs der Vorrichtung verändert und angepasst werden kann. This means that the relative position of the outer stator 3 and thus the overlap of the rotor 1 through the outer stator during operation of the device can be changed and adapted.
Bei den Magneten 6, 7, 8 handelt es sich um Dipolmagnete. When the magnet 6, 7, 8 are dipole magnets. In einer bevorzugten Ausgestaltung sind die Dipolmagnete 6, 7, 8 als Permanentmagnete, zB bestehend aus den Materialen SmCo und/oder NdFeB, ausgebildet. In a preferred embodiment, the dipole magnets 6, 7, 8 formed as permanent magnets, for example, consisting of the materials and SmCo or NdFeB. Es ist allerdings auch möglich, dass einer oder mehrere der Dipolmagnete 6, 7, 8 als Elektromagnete ausgebildet sind. It is also possible that one or more of the dipole magnets 6, 7, are formed 8 as electromagnets. Die magnetische Flussdichte der Magnete 6, 7, 8 liegt vorzugsweise in einem Bereich von 0,4 bis 1 ,4 Tesla. The magnetic flux density of the magnets 6, 7, 8 is preferably in a range of 0.4 to 1, 4 Tesla.
Der Rahmen ist vorzugsweise aus nicht-magnetischem Material, zB Aluminium, gefertigt und weist eine Wandstärke von 2 bis 10 mm auf. The frame is preferably made from non-magnetic material such as aluminum and has a wall thickness of 2 to 10 mm.
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Translation for the previous text can be read using the following link. It starts down past the middle of the page.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&langpair=de%7Cen&u=http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/fetch.jsp%3FSEARCH_IA%3DEP2008006459%26DBSELECT%3DPCT%26ABIMAGE%3D12022009%252FEP2008006459_12022009_gz_en.x4%26C%3D10%26TOTAL%3D2%26IDB%3D0%26TYPE_FIELD%3D256%26SERVER_TYPE%3D19-10%26SORT%3D11289098-KEY%26QUERY%3D(IN%252FYildiz%2BAND%2BIN%252FMuammer)%2B%26START%3D1%26ELEMENT_SET%3DB%26RESULT%3D1%26DISP%3D25%26FORM%3DSEP-0%252FHITNUM%252CB-ENG%252CDP%252CMC%252CAN%252CPA%252CABSUM-ENG%26IDOC%3D1692293%26IA%3DEP2008006459%26LANG%3DENG%26DISPLAY%3DDESC
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question is, what is hidden that nobody else see's, I am not denying it, it's just an improbability.
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That is the question.. I hope someone here can get a chance to see it.. I believe there is a way and maybe this guy figured it out. I won't get too excited until it has been verified as many others have also made claims and then we see nothing from it.
4Tesla
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Muammer Yaldiz is not a new appearance on the FE scene.
see here :http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt13.html (http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt13.html) search for Muammer Yaldiz’s “Ocean Star†Electrical Generator down the page.
there's also a report by Dr. J. L. Duarte on the smaller unit describing a test which he personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on 17th July 2005.
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All commercial devices are scams. I only believe in open source.
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I found some more information.
See the PDF below. The drawings start on page 48. Pages 51 and 52 show the rotor design. This sure does look like the Perendev motor... to me anyways.
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images4/PCT-PAGES/2009/072009/09019001/09019001.pdf
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I found some more information.
See the PDF below. The drawings start on page 48. Pages 51 and 52 show the rotor design. This sure does look like the Perendev motor... to me anyways.
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images4/PCT-PAGES/2009/072009/09019001/09019001.pdf
Thanks!
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PESWiki has a page on this:
Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Muammer_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor
4Tesla
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Also..
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
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Do you all remember that crazy ;) German Soukup who claimed his V-track
magnet motor worked, but the truth is that there was a sticky spot.
I noticed that the stator of Yildiz's motor uses a spiral. Maybe that is the
key to avoid the sticky spot?
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[A author=Cydonian link=topic=8959.msg234283#msg234283 date=1269462700]
Muammer Yildiz is a Turkish inventor and in the youtube video, he says "I got the international patent and I will make a demo on may, 2010".
He says he has already made some business contracts with some big companies in Germany.
I think this time petrol companies will be destroyed forever! :D
Watch it folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PW1WD-3E8
[/quote]Why does this motor show wires on the outside??? What are wires doing there if this is a permanent magnet motor?
Vidar
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Hi OU people,
Just an information: User devrimogun is from Turkey...
I have just sent him a message.
Very Best
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Watch it folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PW1WD-3E8
Why does this motor show wires on the outside??? What are wires doing there if this is a permanent magnet motor?
Vidar
To recharge the battery? ???
I still would like to see someone who has the tools and money, which I don't, to try a spiral stator. It could be the key to avoid the sticky spot.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8959.msg234523#msg234523
4Tesla
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Anything new about this Turkish motor?
I wonder how he made it work. And I also wonder why this thread suddenly died out ::)
Well, as I am AAAAALL alone in here I can throw out some thoughts on how it might work:
A rotor magnet is closing an equal pole. Except that between them there is a piece of iron which the rotor magnet is attracted to.
There is a perfect balance between those forces all the way towards the stator magnet. The amount, shape and position of the iron piece is arranged so the rotor magnet is allways balancing between repelling and attraction as it moves towards the position of the stator magnet. There!, right at the end og the stator magnet, the iron part suddenly stops. Remember there has, untill here, been a balance in the forces/torque - no forces has untill now forced the rotor to move anywhere. But now, the rotor magnet will be pushed further by the repelling force of the staror magnet because at the point where the iron stopped, the distance between the rotormagnet and the stator magnet are increased so the repelling forces are stronger than the attraction to the iron. This part is true as I know it will work - this far however.
Now, the rotor magnet has been pushed away and gained speed and kinetic energy. But what forces did put the rotor magnet inside the balanced part of the revolution in the first place? Here is the tricky question:
Is it, or should it be possible, to make an arrangment of iron that does not let the stator magnet being repelling the rotormagnet on its way into the balanced part again to repeat the revolution by its own?
Maybe the Turkish guy did find put how to do this?
Vidar
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[A author=Cydonian link=topic=8959.msg234283#msg234283 date=1269462700]
Muammer Yildiz is a Turkish inventor and in the youtube video, he says "I got the international patent and I will make a demo on may, 2010".
He says he has already made some business contracts with some big companies in Germany.
I think this time petrol companies will be destroyed forever! :D
Watch it folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PW1WD-3E8
Why does this motor show wires on the outside??? What are wires doing there if this is a permanent magnet motor?
Vidar
There is no wires on the outside!
Muammer Yildiz says that at least 10 scientists from German universities examined his device for days, after it passed the tests he made some business contracts with big companies in Germany!
Vidar who wrote that comment just wanted to stop free energy by just telling lies, I recommend him to go to a doctor for his eyes or stop telling lies to mislead people!
Device demonstration will be in Germany in May, 2010!
Thanks...
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I believe mags can now do this magnet motor. :)
;D
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I am sorry for confusing you guys. I watched the video, and it clearly shows a wire and a screw connector on the front. So it was just natural to question this. If 10 people have examined this motor and found it working, that is for sure very promesing :). And please don't call me a liar, nor tell what my intentions are. I truely want free energy too. I'm tired of paying high energy prices as much as you all are!
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There is no wires on the outside!
Muammer Yildiz says that at least 10 scientists from German universities examined his device for days, after it passed the tests he made some business contracts with big companies in Germany!
Vidar who wrote that comment just wanted to stop free energy by just telling lies, I recommend him to go to a doctor for his eyes or stop telling lies to mislead people!
Device demonstration will be in Germany in May, 2010!
Thanks...
Where exactly is that demonstration goimg to be? Would it be possible to attend? Could you please give some more info?
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I also would like to know where it will be. On the other hand, what about the security? Who are these 'investors' the inventor is going to meet?
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I saw the wires also.. not lying!
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Thanks for the support 4Tesla:) Btw, how do you make a spiral rotor like the one in this motor? I have many magnets and it had been great to replikate that motor.
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Thanks for the support 4Tesla:) Btw, how do you make a spiral rotor like the one in this motor? I have many magnets and it had been great to replikate that motor.
I don't know if it would work or not, but I thought maybe try a spiral rotor like in the pictures in this post
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8959.msg234523#msg234523
Not sure on the polarity of the magnets, and best arrangement
Then apply to the same concept of the vgate/vtrack PMM
Here are some good videos:
Dual V-Gate Permanent Magnet Motor/Generator Concept
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JHb-xJGVUM
Single V-Gate Permanent Magnet Motor/Generator Concept
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQf0G0R0M5M
V Gate 3 - Research for magnetic energy - Portugal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbj3rIFVb5w
free electricity Neo5842 Vgate magnet motor and gen design01.mpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFiQ6fy_6EE
Magnet Motor - Calloway V Gate : 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCr3lOhMJCg
V-Track · meccano structure · 3 gates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX7XIazh6iM
As you see with the vgate/vtrack PMM there is a sticky spot.. maybe a spiral is the key to get around the sticky spot.
4Tesla
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In my opinion a sticky spot is the very reason why an object wants to move towards it at all. As long as the sticky spot is located at the same spot, the moving object will find it and stop there. However, if the sticky spot is allways on the move, the rotor will follow it. The question is how you can move a sticky spot without applying energy - just like you do in a regular electric motor?
No sticky spot at all, will also stop everything from moving - like zero gravity doesnt pull objects towards it.
How one can move a sticky spot without suffering from counter forces, has for me been a mystery since I was a kid. I have been playing with magnets for at least 30 years now (Not 24-7 though) - allways been fascinated by magnetism.
Anyways, that was a small digression.
Vidar
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Turkish inventor, Muammer Yildiz, recently demonstrated his magnet motor that he alleged runs on the power of magnets alone at a University in the Netherlands. The motor is shown turning a fan at a high speed, and no wires can be seen going to the device; then the device is disassembled in front of the group.
WATCH THE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOyuZSzkWRU
Detail Patent Information about the motor :
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009019001
Download Detail diagram and explanation at :
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=42
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CHeck It Out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWxe_RRo8k
http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM#g/u
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hi could hide these wires, if they really are there, but he did not... did you think about it?
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Here's some comments on this invention:
1) The inventor is willing to bring his device before academia to be examined which tells me it has to be a functional principle or perhaps such a clever hidden source of power that he is safe and confident no one will discover it in public. I like to give people the benefit of doubt, and hope this motor is "genuine", but not necessarily over-unity, I'll explain later....
2) Taking out patents on the invention also says something, but not much, as most patents are just ideas.
3) A spinning motor needs very little energy to keep it's velocity, the only energy needed is that of overcoming frictional losses, eddy current losses, etc.., which could be small. If enough energy is stored in the motor, for example in the magnetic field under compression, it could spin for a very long time. The propeller seems to put out some power, so this is encouraging.
4) As is the case with most magnet motors, turning them "ON" involves "MOVING" something against a force, and that represents putting energy into the system. The inventor seems to be torquing something with the Allen wrench, and then releasing the energy with the hammer. His actions makes me very skeptical in the sense that this is not over unity but certainly is spinning as can be seen. Also, energy can be injected into the system during assembly, by the mere fact of pressing the rotor inside the stator against the repulsion force of the magnets.
5) The wires coming out of the device raise questions, and I'm thinking they could be originating from a coil inside the motor attempting to make this device a generator as well, seems very logical to me.
6) A standard test of any motor is to put it under a varying load and plot it's rpm vs torque curve. Since no curves are presented in the patent or in the presentations, I can only assume this was not tried, or if tried it was deemed a very poor performer and they did not bother to show it. Therefore I suspect this motor is only turning and maintains it's RPM while the initial magnetic field inside of it THAT WAS COMPRESSED UPON STARTING IT dissipates. This is like a spring, you put energy into it and it slowly dissipates down, and all those neo magnets can store a lot of energy in compression against themselves. I've built an all magnetic motor years ago and got all excited at the speed, until I realized what was happening.
7) Having said all that, I hope this motor is something more, and needs to be tested properly! I say don't be tempted to invest any money in this until it is verified and tested independently and properly.
EM