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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2007, 07:21:46 AM »
i just figured something out today. the smot should only be applied to arm A and not the whole weight of the wheel as shown. this is very important and makes the wheel so much more efficient. this should make OU. 

i don't think i have to apply http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2019.0.html to my wheel anymore. will see.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=894.0;attach=7778;image)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2007, 09:23:57 AM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2007, 03:14:32 AM »
Sounds like a great idea!

If you can get enough rotational force from the smot track to
overcome the wind resistance then you'll have "perpetual motion"...
Till the bearings go out that is.

I noticed that a continuos rotational force of just a few N's could keep it going...

Good Luck,
~Dingus Mungus

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2007, 09:20:51 AM »
if the smot is only picking up the weight of arm A this will be over unity i think. at the sticky point you will have twice (arm C and D) the weight of arm A going against the sticky point.

also the magnets would be at attraction mode and not repelling mode. the smot would be at a vertical position. the smot is what tucks arm A in.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2007, 09:13:47 AM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2007, 09:20:51 AM »
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2007, 12:49:46 PM »
hope this helps. see previous reply.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2007, 10:27:37 PM »
I can see the idea of operation when the motor is rotating very slow. What happens when the motor starts to increase rpms? What happens with the time delay in the falling arms caused by the limited acceleration of gravity (9.81ms^2) when it start to spin faster?

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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2007, 10:30:00 PM »
use brakes?  :)

also make it a one-way wheel

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2007, 04:16:50 AM »
Well, I'm back. After running into some conclusions with my work I took some time off. So I'm back to share what I have found. I'll probably post my research and theories again in the next month or so. As for this problem. I would like to lend a hand. I just have a few questions to ask. Just so you know where I am coming from my current view is that this will not work. But I guess now its my job to prove my theory. So the questions I have are from the last picture:

Is the wheel rotating clockwise?

Is the magnet at the end of arm A being repelled from the SMOT? Same poles?

Where is the center of mass(balance) for each arm? At the center of the arm or at the end where the magnet is?


Here are a few links to information of physics and how to analyse a wheel. They are a good toolbox of knowledge.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hph.html

http://www.comfsm.fm/~dleeling//physics/torque.html

http://physics.uwstout.edu/physapplets/a-city/physengl/lever.htm

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PHYS/Class/BBoard.html

http://cnx.org/content/col10322/latest/



Tim

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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2007, 10:47:20 AM »
hope this new picture explains it all. (must be logged in to see picture ;))

the smot must only be strong enough to pick up the weight of arm A. must be adjusted accordingly.

at the sticky point you will have twice (arm C and D) the weight going against the sticky point.



peace
« Last Edit: May 02, 2007, 09:02:00 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2007, 02:34:01 PM »
ummmm I like this one and reckon I have got all the bits to actually knock it up within a couple of hours, so might try it out the weekend when back home and let you know what the results are.

The Mini Linear rails I have travel about 1.5", so I reckon If I mill the square out to 2" then give it a whirl.

Will post results as usual when it is done.

Regards

Sean.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2007, 05:11:54 PM »
The SMOT will no doubt pick up arm A, but magnets don't usually let go. Tuning the other forces to overcome the "sticky spot" seems to be the problem in these designs. Maybe when the force from arm D on the wheel increase arm A should be at the sticky spot.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2007, 05:48:52 PM »
@FreeEnergy

I think your current design is nicer than the previous. Maybe by adding the 4 strings I had shown on page 5 would work better, without any magnets. Everything on your wheel will be dependant on how the sliding motion will be as friction free as possible.

I am currently making a wheel. The parts are being cut this week by water jet cutter, and should have everything by next week to do my first trial. No magnets. Will show the results, good or bad, on the board.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2007, 08:59:38 PM »
@FreeEnergy

I think your current design is nicer than the previous. Maybe by adding the 4 strings I had shown on page 5 would work better, without any magnets. Everything on your wheel will be dependant on how the sliding motion will be as friction free as possible.

I am currently making a wheel. The parts are being cut this week by water jet cutter, and should have everything by next week to do my first trial. No magnets. Will show the results, good or bad, on the board.

hi and thanks for the input guys.

@wattsup i have tried the string thing and didnt work using wm2d, unless i didn't do it right. i think using the smot for this wheel is best for now.

peace

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2007, 11:53:31 PM »
The hole functionality of this wheel seems to depend on the smot. Its the smot that is defying gravity here. So the question I have is, is there yet a SMOT that actually works? If there is then there are much easier ways of using a smot to make power off gravity.


Note: This is a simplistic drawing. If a smot works a solid state wheel could be created with only the wheel rotating.

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2007, 12:08:22 AM »
The hole functionality of this wheel seems to depend on the smot. Its the smot that is defying gravity here. So the question I have is, is there yet a SMOT that actually works? If there is then there are much easier ways of using a smot to make power off gravity.


Note: This is a simplistic drawing. If a smot works a solid state wheel could be created with only the wheel rotating.

good idea but i think you have the smot wrong on your graph. it should have more of an arc and the smot should go from being far to near the wheel.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2007, 12:36:31 AM »
Here is something I posted in Tom's SMOT thread.

 

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