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Author Topic: magnet-gravity wheel  (Read 58258 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2006, 11:40:11 PM »
maybe while the arms are switching sides do to gravity it can produce energy to turn off/on the magnetic field with some circuit work.
*make it a one way wheel so when the magnetic field is turned off/on the wheel won't role back?
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2006, 12:04:47 AM »
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So Magnet atraction force has to be bigger than weight of the arm B in order to flip over the rotor.
 

This is at the moment shown in the picture. This is before flipping over the rotor. This is just the beginning.

Suppose the magnet is so strong that it starts attracting plate A (countering the weight of the left-hand side).

At the very first moment of attracting A the top begins tilting and the upper plate C slides spontaneously under the action of gravity. It pushes so hard that adds to the attraction of the magnet and pushes plate A beyond the sticky point.

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When that point is passed over arm A is atracted by the other side of the magnet which B doesn't.

So the weight of C that now have moved to the outside of the rotor, has to be able to over come the atraction force of the arm A.
 

It does. It overcomes it.

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So if arm B and arm C are the same weight, were the force to overcome this sticky post comes from?

Well, plates B and C have the same weight but C has also kinetic energy. Also B is beginning to shorten the lever arm while C is fully extended and is already starting to feel the pull of the magnet.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2006, 12:23:11 AM »
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plate C slides spontaneously under the action of gravity. It pushes so hard that adds to the attraction of the magnet and pushes plate A beyond the sticky point.

Remenber Plate B is moving at the same time as plate C so the inercial push of C is counter acted by the inercial push of B.

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It does. It overcomes it.

Why, do not tell us it does... please tell us why and how.

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Well, plates B and C have the same weight but C has also kinetic energy. Also B is beginning to shorten the lever arm while C is fully extended and is already starting to feel the pull of the magnet.

A wheel has no inertial energy unless it is turning and still there is not any force that makes it turns as it is in equilibrium.
If B and C are equal they will move at the same time if well constructed.
So if C is receiving atraction B is receiving it as well...

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2006, 12:24:03 AM »
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plate C slides spontaneously under the action of gravity. It pushes so hard that adds to the attraction of the magnet and pushes plate A beyond the sticky point.

Remenber Plate B is moving at the same time as plate C so the inercial push of C is counter acted by the inercial push of B.

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It does. It overcomes it.

Why, do not tell us it does... please tell us why and how.

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Well, plates B and C have the same weight but C has also kinetic energy. Also B is beginning to shorten the lever arm while C is fully extended and is already starting to feel the pull of the magnet.

A wheel has no inertial energy unless it is turning and still there is not any force that makes it turns as it is in equilibrium.
If B and C are equal they will move at the same time if well constructed.
So if C is receiving atraction B is receiving it as well...

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2006, 12:39:45 AM »
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Remenber Plate B is moving at the same time as plate C so the inercial push of C is counter acted by the inercial push of B.
 

Not in the same measure. Plate C is extending itself while plate B is shortening the arm.

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Why, do not tell us it does... please tell us why and how.
 

Construction allows for it. Remember the kinetic energy of C, C already feeling the pull of the magnet etc.

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A wheel has no inertial energy unless it is turning and still there is not any force that makes it turns as it is in equilibrium.
If B and C are equal they will move at the same time if well constructed.
So if C is receiving atraction B is receiving it as well...
 

On the contrary, as said, when starting at the position as in the picture, the magnet pulls A and the rotor starts turning. It?s not in equilibrium.

Also, as said, B and C are not equal. They differ in configuration, in kinetic energy and in experiencing magnetic pull. In this respect C has advantage over B.

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Offline _GonZo_

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2006, 01:02:09 AM »
Omnibus, do you have any studies on Newtons phiscs?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 01:04:56 AM »
Do you?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 02:31:18 AM »
Yes I do, and I can see that not all the people around does have them, that is why I try to simplify what I explain with the most simple words I can.

I can write you down all the momentum forces implicated in this wheel (will take me some hours that I do not have to do so...) but I am sure that only very little persons in this forum will understand them and will be just a waste of my time.

Think that wheel like this and even much more complicated that this one are common problems in mechanical engeneering issues so it is easy for me to understand what forces are involved in it and witch ones not.

In order to help you to analize the wheel like this or any other mechancal system the best way is if you imagine it in every stage or drawing it in paper in every stage and then draw the forces implied. To draw the forces you need to know the basics of the newtons phisics if you dont know them you will be not able to do it correctly and this is were I think you are having troubles as you are imaginating some that are not involved or forgeting some that are.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 02:34:52 AM »
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Think that wheel like this and even much more complicated that this one are common problems in mechanical engeneering issues so it is easy for me to understand what forces are involved in it and witch ones not.

In order to help you to analize the wheel like this or any other mechancal system the best way is if you imagine it in every stage or drawing it in paper in every stage and then draw the forces implied. To draw the forces you need to know the basics of the newtons phisics if you dont know them you will be not able to do it correctly and this is were I think you are having troubles as you are imaginating some that are not involved or forgeting some that are.

These are only some impressions of yours that have nothing to do with scientific argumentation. Empty words, so to say. Quite a useless undertaking.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 02:50:13 AM »
Omnibus I am just trying to help, do not take it personal please.

What I just wrote is very good scientific argumentation, in other words what I say to you is observe (draw the device in every stage) and analize your observations (draw the forces involved in the proces)

Every one here will tell you that this is what all scientific investigations are about...
Observe and analize over and over again until you can reach a conclusion.

There is another way to aproach invesigations and it is by theory, sometimes theory goes before fisical investigation is posible, but that is another history...

Another point, my mother tong is not english, so I try to do my best when I write about technical staff.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2006, 03:07:18 AM »
Don't worry about the English. Just show some calculations based on the methods of Strength of Materials (a branch of Mechanics which usually the civil engineers are most drilled with). This would be the scientific approach. Best if one can find a computer program that would do such modeling. I already mentioned that in previous posts. Otherwise it's just hunch.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2006, 04:48:59 PM »
So you do not have any phisics studys.  :-[

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2006, 04:50:58 PM »
Don't sidetrack. I told you what to do if you want to be scientific.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2006, 10:53:29 PM »
anyone else think this will work?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2006, 05:58:07 AM »
another possible setup for the magnet

 

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