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Author Topic: magnet-gravity wheel  (Read 55774 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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magnet-gravity wheel
« on: March 28, 2006, 06:51:18 AM »
see picture (you must be logged in to see attached picture).

* steel arms with wheels runs on track attached to squared wheel
* one arm is always attracted to magnet and tilts the wheel thereby moving other arms making one side heavier?


* * * * * update 4-12-07: since i've been using working model 2d i have found where the dead point of this wheel is. the original picture is all wrong. see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,894.msg28133.html#msg28133
« Last Edit: August 04, 2007, 11:04:23 PM by FreeEnergy »

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magnet-gravity wheel
« on: March 28, 2006, 06:51:18 AM »

Offline Omnibus

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2006, 11:53:36 AM »
I don?t see why it won?t work. Suppose we put a pretty strong magnet and start as is shown in the picture, then the magnet will attract the steel plate on the right-hand side. Now if top plate was fixed rotation will stop at sticky point of the magnet. Top plate, however, slides and adds it?s weight as well as kinetic energy to the right-hand side thus pushing the lower plate out of the sticky point.

The problem of the magnetic motors has always been how to overcome the sticky point, how to cease the action of the magnetic field at that point so that the rotor can keep turning. One possible way is to take away the magnet mechanically, as Torbay does. Another way is to remove the object  attracted by the magnet ? this is what SMOT does using gravity to remove the object. Here it is also gravity which helps get the attracted plate out of the way of main magnetic forces of attraction and thus enables the rotor to turn unobstructed.

This is what appears at first glance. The devil is in the details, however. It?s interesting to do a more precise assessment of the forces acting on the levers. Best to try to make a working model. Do you have a working model, FreeEnergy?


P.S. With Wesley Snyder's motor it's a different story. If it really works when left untouched, it would be a pure magnetic motor without additional mechanical help or help from gravity. Unless the wobbling of the rotor axis isn't that mechanical/gravity help. Help from gravity or through clever construction is OK, though, if the rotor keeps turning by itself, without putting in energy, it would be a self-sustaining device.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 11:59:12 AM »
hey thanks for the input.
no i dont have a working model yet.
we shall see how things turn out.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2006, 12:06:24 PM »
That shouldn't be difficult to make. It's good to do some modeling before that, however, to shorten the process of choosing the right conditions (weight of plates, strength of magnet and so on). Probably Jason can help.

This reminds me of the proposal by Darlight of a motor utilizing hydrostatic and gravity forces in one of the previous threads.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2006, 12:24:38 PM »
This reminds me of the proposal by Darlight of a motor utilizing hydrostatic and gravity forces in one of the previous threads.

yes it is where i got my idea from

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2006, 12:30:01 PM »
Yours seems easier to put in place.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2006, 05:52:04 PM »
Hello FreeEnergy,

i like this idea. But I see a problem. If the wheel turns a little bit more clockwise, what will happen with the steel plate at the bottom? It seems to me it would slide down to the right side and maybe neutralize the "push" of the upper downsliding plate. Is there a mechanism to prevent this? And when I look at the picture it seems to me also, that most of the mass is on the left side of the wheel, so it would rotate the other way around. What do you think?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 06:50:57 PM »
If you'd allow me to interject ... You make a good point regarding the movement of the steel plate at the bottom. Simple lever calculations using Mechanics (methods described in Strength of Materials) will provide a better picture of the forces involved and their balance. These calculations have to be made before any effort to manufacture the device (that?s usual for the manufacturing of any machine). Going by intuition, the movement of the bottom plate doesn't seem to stand in the way.

As far as the second point regarding most of the mass being concentrated on the left-hand side, I think a strong enough magnet can take care of that.
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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2006, 08:14:33 PM »
Hello Omnibus,

thank you for your answer. I think a strong enough magnet should not be the problem. And you are absolutely right that calculations have to be made before the manufacturing of any device like this. At least the device itself seems relatively simple to build.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2006, 08:54:31 PM »
i really dont know what to think untill me or someone construct this wheel.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2006, 10:20:04 PM »
And what will happen when the plate pass the magnet? It will attract the plate but in the opposite direction. How will you overcome that problem?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2006, 10:33:30 PM »
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And what will happen when the plate pass the magnet? It will attract the plate but in the opposite direction. How will you overcome that problem?
 

The push of the right-hand side plate supposedly should overcome that attraction big time.

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 10:44:33 PM »
by then the upper arm plate already extended itself do to gravity and the left arm plate would go back in do to gravity making the wheel unbalanced.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2006, 10:58:15 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2006, 11:02:31 PM »
i think it is one weight when the magnet attracts arm with extended arm and another weight when arm is not extended.

get what i am saying?

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Re: magnet-gravity wheel
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2006, 11:33:35 PM »
Maiking it simple.

So Magnet atraction force has to be bigger than weight of the arm B in order to flip over the rotor.

When that point is passed over arm A is atracted by the other side of the magnet.

So the weight of C that now have moved to the outside of the rotor, has to be able to over come the atraction force of the arm A

So if arm B and arm C are the same weight, were the force to overcome this sticky post comes from?

 

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