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Title: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: jacko on March 22, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
The problem to making any magnet motor is to get past the sticky spot. As you all know that's the point where the magnet or magnets are pulling more than pushing,or visa verse!!! With most designs they use some outside influence to overcome this problem. OK, this may help, but they will never be able to release the full power that is there to be found,or used. If a magnet motor can't run freely then we can never get full power. So how do you solve this problem???? Well I think it can be solved by having no sticky spot. A magnet motor will only be taken notice of when it runs and is able to give useable power. Lets forget about making a motor that generates power and just think about a power source that can be used to turn a generator. We have  loads of generators, we only need a way to turn them.So if you think magnets and getting everything turning then you're going down the right road.....
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: Mk1 on March 22, 2010, 07:47:14 PM
The problem is the shape of the magnets , and failing to see how they work.
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: happyfunball on March 22, 2010, 07:54:45 PM
The problem with using solid granite as a fuel is, it's not combustible. That is solid granite's sticky spot, so to speak. And it will always be there. Maybe try gasoline? Ethanol?
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: jacko on March 22, 2010, 10:44:26 PM
No guys and gals. The problem is we're not looking a magnets the right way!!!! Like I said in my other posts,,,,play with magnets. Take one in each hand and feel how they react to each other. Feel the way when you try to push them together that they fight to get apart when you use north and south, or how they want to come together the other way round. If you don't push then together head on they want to pass each other. Likewise when you try to stop then joining head on, they still want to pass each other. There in lies our STICKY SPOT!!!!! So now we have to find a way round this minor problem. MINOR,,,, yes minor!!! So how can we solve this?????  Every magnet in a magnet motor must always be in motion. This does away with the so called sticky spot!! How do we do this? Well all things that are round must go round. The field of every magnet is round. like all things in nature. Nature does not do stright lines. Everything goes ROUND! Ok by now I'm probably losing readers, who think this is about as interesting as watching paint dry, or grass grow. For a magnet motor to work, all the magnets there in, MUST be in contact at the point of max power at all times. It will not work any other way.
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: jacko on March 22, 2010, 10:53:05 PM
To Mk1.
It doesn't matter what shape magnets are.. Their field of power is always round... You can use an array of magnets to cancell each other out, there by creating a spike point to push other magnets attached to a wheel round, but you are only loosing power.
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: mscoffman on March 22, 2010, 10:56:41 PM

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Every magnet in a magnet motor must always be in motion. This does away with the so called sticky spot!!
...

How do we do this? Well all things that are round must go round. The field of every magnet is round. like all things in nature. Nature does not do stright lines. Everything goes ROUND! Ok by now I'm probably losing readers, who think this is about as interesting as watching paint dry, or grass grow. For a magnet motor to work, all the magnets there in, MUST be in contact at the point of max power at all times. It will not work any other way.


a) While you reduce the sticky spot's power...it is still there slightly sapping of energy
you've overcome by increasing the momentum. Unless you increased the energy
somewhere else that wheel is going to spin down...I'll be listening/watching with
interest.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: mike444 on June 22, 2011, 07:36:19 PM
Well,
The problem to making any magnet motor is to get past the sticky spot. As you all know that's the point where the magnet or magnets are pulling more than pushing,or visa verse!!! With most designs they use some outside influence to overcome this problem. OK, this may help, but they will never be able to release the full power that is there to be found,or used. If a magnet motor can't run freely then we can never get full power. So how do you solve this problem???? Well I think it can be solved by having no sticky spot. A magnet motor will only be taken notice of when it runs and is able to give useable power. Lets forget about making a motor that generates power and just think about a power source that can be used to turn a generator. We have  loads of generators, we only need a way to turn them.So if you think magnets and getting everything turning then you're going down the right road.....

Well, that's what I've proposed here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9231.0
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: Low-Q on June 24, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
The problem to making any magnet motor is to get past the sticky spot. As you all know that's the point where the magnet or magnets are pulling more than pushing,or visa verse!!! With most designs they use some outside influence to overcome this problem. OK, this may help, but they will never be able to release the full power that is there to be found,or used. If a magnet motor can't run freely then we can never get full power. So how do you solve this problem???? Well I think it can be solved by having no sticky spot. A magnet motor will only be taken notice of when it runs and is able to give useable power. Lets forget about making a motor that generates power and just think about a power source that can be used to turn a generator. We have  loads of generators, we only need a way to turn them.So if you think magnets and getting everything turning then you're going down the right road.....
With or without sticky spots the magnet motor wouldn't work.

The sticky spot in an electric motor is the reason why the rotor will turn. With no sticky spot (Attraction to one or more areas), there will be no place for the magnet to go. However, the polatiry of the electromagnet in the rotor (or stator) will switch into repelling mode when the magnet has passed. This switching is not possible with permanentmagnets unless you turn the magnet manually. But then you must use the same energy to turn the magnet into repelling mode, as the energy you gain while the rotor- and stator magnet is approaching eachother.

There is no known way around this problem. Adding more complexity into the system will not help, because the whole construction will still rely on mechanical and passive components.

There might be other approaches which might work, but leaving a sticky spot out of the motor will per definition not help.

Vidar
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: clint on January 03, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
I have designed a working magnet/perpetual device, I am so excited to share with the world soon.  I have never seen or even heard of such a device.

I have used gravity to avoid the "sticky spot" at the end/begining of the loop.  Weight+Gravity has overcome the power of the sticky spot and allows the machine to restart each cycle and my machine has been running since Christmas with no problems.   Soon the whole world will see and have hope.  Sorry I can't show you now :(   It is eating me up inside so bad, that I can't just reveal this to the world.   

I have used the V Gate design with help from weight of magnet+gravity to overcome this spot.  In process of making a bigger model now hopefully will be able to post a video soon showing some of my design in action.  Remember my name and you will see how real this is soon.
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: Airstriker on January 03, 2012, 11:17:17 AM
I have designed a working magnet/perpetual device, I am so excited to share with the world soon.  I have never seen or even heard of such a device.

I have used gravity to avoid the "sticky spot" at the end/begining of the loop.  Weight+Gravity has overcome the power of the sticky spot and allows the machine to restart each cycle and my machine has been running since Christmas with no problems.   Soon the whole world will see and have hope.  Sorry I can't show you now :(   It is eating me up inside so bad, that I can't just reveal this to the world.   

I have used the V Gate design with help from weight of magnet+gravity to overcome this spot.  In process of making a bigger model now hopefully will be able to post a video soon showing some of my design in action.  Remember my name and you will see how real this is soon.

Will you open source or go the patent way? Either way, good luck ;)
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: Low-Q on January 03, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
I have designed a working magnet/perpetual device, I am so excited to share with the world soon.  I have never seen or even heard of such a device.

I have used gravity to avoid the "sticky spot" at the end/begining of the loop.  Weight+Gravity has overcome the power of the sticky spot and allows the machine to restart each cycle and my machine has been running since Christmas with no problems.   Soon the whole world will see and have hope.  Sorry I can't show you now :(   It is eating me up inside so bad, that I can't just reveal this to the world.   

I have used the V Gate design with help from weight of magnet+gravity to overcome this spot.  In process of making a bigger model now hopefully will be able to post a video soon showing some of my design in action.  Remember my name and you will see how real this is soon.
Sorry for being pesimistic, and I do not want to push you down, but; Gravity will pull on the object no matter the position of it. What gravity assist in one direction will oppose in the other direction - on its way to complete the loop. Gravity does not help.
Being so excited that you cannot make your camcorder working, is something I just don't believe.


1. Either we will never hear from you again,
2. or you will make some "minor adjustments" (To a already working device - why in h...should you make adjustments anyways?), and then write a post which says your device cannot work anymore, so therefor you cannot show us how it worked,
3. or you have decided to not reveal the secrets, but start looking for investors because you are out of money,
4. or the machine broke down, and pieces flew in all directions - including one key component which landed in an big eagles nest - so you don't dare to find it,
5. or you will reveal a small secret that tells us that you have to "assis" just a little bit to make it run...but you are very close to a selfrunning machine.


I have heard the stories before - many times. Sorry for these "funny" considerations, but I could not help it ;)


Show me a video today. You can do it if you want to :)


Good luck anyways. Looking forward to see the video - BEFORE adjustments are made!


Vidar
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: trebor on January 04, 2012, 05:07:54 AM
Hi Guys newbie here.  Has anybody had a look at these books going on and on about the Ho-Jo motor?   they claim that the answer is in the book.  We got repulsion, and attraction, and a neutral spot. we can use the attraction ( sticky spot ) for power just as well as the repulsion for power as long as we don't let them cancel each other out .  the goal is to use both    Your thoughts ?     PS  even if the HO-JO works,  Dose it deliver enough H.P. to produce any useable power or generation ?       trebor is Robert backwards
Title: Re: The problem with making a magnet motor work!!!
Post by: ThundrH4wk on January 26, 2012, 07:13:24 AM
The problem is the shape of the magnets , and failing to see how they work.

Just a half baked idea here:
What if we could see the magnetic fields?

Think back to when you were a kid, (probably a long time for some of you LOL)
Do you remember playing with the magnet pen and the the drawing pad that had a bunch of shavings inside of it? You could use the magnet pen to "draw" or manipulate the shavings inside of the pad to create a picture. Do you also remember how if you just pressed the pen into the pad you could see wavy, almost circular lines around the sides of the pen? We didn't know it then perhaps, but we were looking at the effects the magnetic field had on the shavings in the pad.

 I have this design in mind when I talk about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
The flat, horizontal, rotor type. I don't know if this idea would work with the rounded vertical types.

Anyhow, my idea is: What if we had a bunch of tiny metal shavings and we spread them all out on say, a flat piece of plexi-glass. We then lay the plexi-glass with the shavings on top of the rotor.

Would we then be able to see part of the field, or the archs around the magnets? Or would the shavings simply bunch up on top of the magnets in a big cluster?
The main idea here is to be able to see the "Sticky spot" so we can manipulate it.

Edit: This guy might be on to an even better idea. -->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuA-dkKvrd0