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Author Topic: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!  (Read 226089 times)

Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2010, 05:54:25 AM »
Happy Saturday evening everyone,

This evening I have completed winding my third coil.  Tomorrow I will start on the fourth.

I have determined that I will indeed need to sand all of the coils down, after fiberglass and black iron oxide, in order to hopefully fit 5 coils within my 1.25" self inflicted limit of seperation between the N and S facing plates.  There is no way to put in 8 coils after the fiberglass and iron oxide is added.  So I will set my sights on five coils, and that only after sanding everything down smooth.  The little bumps are small, but when on both sides of all of the coils, it eats up my space.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2010, 11:29:42 PM »
Hello ALL,

Fourth coil is now wound, and coils 1 and 2 sanded.  I will pick up some more wire tomorrow and begin to wind the final coil.  After, I will epoxy two of them with black iron oxide and the last one will not have any black iron oxide.  This way, we go, magnets North-coil-oxide-coil-oxide-coil-oxide-coil-oxide-coil-South magnets.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #107 on: May 03, 2010, 04:45:04 AM »
Hi GB,

I came across this set up and liked it, for friction free bearings.  Now, my set up is much larger and heavier, but do you think with strong enough magnets, I could still make it work?  It is very similar to my initial idea.  Thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcacRwjsY7w

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #108 on: May 03, 2010, 05:32:49 AM »
bruce ...


i have exposed the truth a long time ago .. 

i did not to bother to read this entire thred i made it only a few words ...

so

the copper disc is sectioned .. look at the shape ... it is the power generator  witch operates like a jt ..

the hpg generates low volts high amps this is then intrupted via the split in the disc ...

hummmmmm

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my kick ..

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2010, 05:45:05 AM »
Hi GB,

I came across this set up and liked it, for friction free bearings.  Now, my set up is much larger and heavier, but do you think with strong enough magnets, I could still make it work?  It is very similar to my initial idea.  Thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcacRwjsY7w

Cheers,

Bruce

I do think it would work with strong enough magnets (I have already done testing on this).  Having a vertical axle definitely works better in my opinion though.  You can replace the four individual bottom magnets with two ring magnets in order to have a radial force around the entire shaft for better stability.  Steorn's ZeroF Magnetic bearings aren't much different than the concept in the video.

GB

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2010, 02:37:26 AM »
   I having been working electric motors and generators for 35years.  In a very old book probably 20years ago written by a variety of authors when electric motors were steadily replacing beasts of burden and waterwheels I found this explanation of how a dc motor works.  The magnetic field flows from left to right on the page.  The armature conductor flows in and out of the page.  And the magnetic field flows around the current carrying conductor.  You will note that the magnetic field created by the field winding or permanent magnets opposes the lines of force on the top of the conductor and reinforces them on the bottom.  This causes the conductor to move up the page as something flows from a high density magnetic field to a low density or cancelled magnetic field.  This causes the conductor to move and the dc motor runs.  (If a permanent magnet could be made that produced the same type of magnetic field as a current carrying conductor then a totaly permanent magnet motor is likely to provide a new energy scource)  Since on a dc motor the conductor leaves the field and then renters it traveling now against the  magnetic flow the magnetic current needs to be reversed in either the field or the armature.  Brushless motors change direction of the field magnetic current while commutated motors reverse the armature currents.  Hope it helps.

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #111 on: May 04, 2010, 04:51:40 AM »
Good evening to ALL,

I have completed my fifth and final (for now) Tesla Bifilar Pancake coil!  I will epoxy all but one of them, this week, because this weekend I want to play... lol, and see the difference pulsing the plain one, vs. the one with the iron oxide.  Also between the "standard" bifilar way of connecting and the "Marinoff" way of connecting (though he never used a pancake bifilar to my knowledge, I am excited to see if any difference!).  If it gives me HV from 3 or 4 volts, I have another idea for Sam's and my TPU build. ;-)  We need a HV transformer after the mixed signals are split and inverted.  More than one way to skin a cat!  (kinda gross saying, actually!  LOL)

I will then stack my pancakes, connect them and have them ready to be sandwiched between my giant future magnets.  That is where this build gets really expensive!  Perhaps I can make you guys some bifilar pancake coils and auction them off on Ebay to help fund the magnets?  I will need about $800.00 worth.  I am committed to this project, because I am not replicating anyone (not exactly) and I am using my own thinking.  I actually think this stands a good chance of being amazing. 

In the picture I have placed a nickel for perspective of their size, underneath the center coil.  It is on the table.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #112 on: May 04, 2010, 09:58:23 AM »
Hi Bruce,

Are you really sure you want to spent 800 bucks for a project that nobody is really sure will work ? I also have a project that I'm personally 100% will work but I'm a bit sceptical in investing 1000$ on it ;] Be aware of the difficulties in operating such big magnets - one mistake and you will throw them away ;] Also note, that if you let these magnets join by any chance, you wil have a big trouble with separating them. They are also quite dangerous ;/ Why not use a tiny model first ? If it's reall it will work also. I scaled my project by 1:10 and so did with the costs. If it works I can build a big one. If it doesn't - my wife won't be so angry at me ;)

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2010, 12:15:25 PM »
another alternative would be to use electromagnets driven with a battery.  They pickup entire cars with big ones.

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2010, 01:52:46 PM »
Hey guys,

I appreciate the concern, but it is "just" money.  Worst case, and I end up selling a bunch of magnets on ebay.  I have spent so much money on OU research that has not worked, but I know this will produce power.  Will it be OU?  There is no way of knowing until I try. 

Electromagnets require electricity.  Not the route to OU in my humble opinion for this build.  These magnets are powerful with seventy five pounds of holding force, each.  I have no intention of allowing them to come together.  But, if they do, I will have purchased a magnet seperator, from K & J Magnetics.

So, onward we go!  When I think of Marco, Giantkiller and Ironhead, who have spent considerable fortunes building, not to mention Moby, it is a drop in the bucket.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #115 on: May 05, 2010, 01:35:12 AM »
Hey guys,

I appreciate the concern, but it is "just" money.  Worst case, and I end up selling a bunch of magnets on ebay.  I have spent so much money on OU research that has not worked, but I know this will produce power.  Will it be OU?  There is no way of knowing until I try. 

Electromagnets require electricity.  Not the route to OU in my humble opinion for this build.  These magnets are powerful with seventy five pounds of holding force, each.  I have no intention of allowing them to come together.  But, if they do, I will have purchased a magnet seperator, from K & J Magnetics.

So, onward we go!  When I think of Marco, Giantkiller and Ironhead, who have spent considerable fortunes building, not to mention Moby, it is a drop in the bucket.

Cheers,

Bruce
bruce im glad you have persued your own path .. this is infact what it is all about .. its a big sand box ..

you have named many  people i enjoy reading there work .. from time to time ! and to each much respect is sent !

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i have been able to get large neos .. for 10 bucks each .. 200 lb pull  1"x 2"  i have 10 .. for a high torque pulse motor i ever get that one done ....  lol

i cant be sure where they came from any more .. some where in the US

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #116 on: May 06, 2010, 01:20:49 AM »
Have been out of the loop in the homopolar area but what you are doing is excellent work. I have never investigated pancake coils too deeply in HPG's but with my gained knowledge they COULD produce a higher voltage than a plane disc. I put that in capitals because it's a very important assumption, because if the voltage is higher you can instantly build a zero back torque generator.

I just quickly went over this thread but I can't say I fully understand the setup.

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2010, 01:50:21 AM »
Have been out of the loop in the homopolar area but what you are doing is excellent work. I have never investigated pancake coils too deeply in HPG's but with my gained knowledge they COULD produce a higher voltage than a plane disc. I put that in capitals because it's a very important assumption, because if the voltage is higher you can instantly build a zero back torque generator.

I just quickly went over this thread but I can't say I fully understand the setup.

Hi broli,

The set up is simple and straightforward.  Instead of using 10" single magnets at the cost of thousands, I am building a "virtual" 10" magnet, by using many 1"x1" axial N52 magnets.  All poles will be facing in the same direction, and magnets held by very THIN steel.  This will again be duplicated for the second 10" "virtual" magnet.

Next, I will have five pancake coils, each made of 40 feet of 12 awg stranded (42 strands) wire.  Each pancake coil is the Tesla bifilar coil.  Between each set of coils is a thin Iron oxide coating, to amplify the field lines.  It is very uniqe and my own ideas and creation, if I say so... lol

The power will be taken off with brushes.

My bearings will be magnetic and as close to friction free as possible. 

What to drive it with, that is still a question.  Perhaps a very small hobby motor and pulley transmission.  Something very low power.  So, that is the set up!

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2010, 02:23:46 AM »
Hi broli,

The set up is simple and straightforward.  Instead of using 10" single magnets at the cost of thousands, I am building a "virtual" 10" magnet, by using many 1"x1" axial N52 magnets.  All poles will be facing in the same direction, and magnets held by very THIN steel.  This will again be duplicated for the second 10" "virtual" magnet.

Next, I will have five pancake coils, each made of 40 feet of 12 awg stranded (42 strands) wire.  Each pancake coil is the Tesla bifilar coil.  Between each set of coils is a thin Iron oxide coating, to amplify the field lines.  It is very uniqe and my own ideas and creation, if I say so... lol

The power will be taken off with brushes.

My bearings will be magnetic and as close to friction free as possible. 

What to drive it with, that is still a question.  Perhaps a very small hobby motor and pulley transmission.  Something very low power.  So, that is the set up!

Cheers,

Bruce

Ok then I had something else in mind. I made a drawing of what I thought you were doing. No need for brushes, of course that's a dangerous slope. Basically if current flows you win, if it doesn't you lose  ;) .

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« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2010, 02:09:57 PM »
Hi Broli,

Your picture is close!  take away the disc all together, disconnect any electrical connection to the magnets (for now!) and sandwich 5 of the bifilar tesla pancakes together, with a thin coating of black iron oxide (non conductive) between them, and you will have my initial set up, exactly! 

Cheers,

Bruce