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Offline Cloxxki

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2010, 04:04:09 PM »
@Dr:
3.65m wheel > rim length : 11.46m > half rim = 5.73m
26rpm > 2.3s per rotation > 1.15s per half rotation
g = 9.8m/s²
Vertical drop in first second : 4.9m

x = 1/2 g*t²
t² = 1.33
x = 6.48m

Very rough quick uneducated calcs of course, but the falling weight does catch up I think.

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2010, 09:58:43 PM »
Hi Alex: What about the rotation of your wheel, lets say its 12 ft. dia and turning at 26 rpm, even a weight in free fall cant keep with that kind of rim speed, by the time the weight drops, the bottom of the wheel is now over at 9 or 10, just my 2 cents!!

The weights accelerate the wheel, the wheel does not accelrate the weights.

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2010, 10:44:55 PM »
I am now visualizing hammer slung as clock dials.
They fall parallel, yet the one will at 6:00 hit a lever (with leverage) pressing onto the other hammer close to the axle, causing it to transfer nergy to it. The donor weight loses momentum, but might still make it up a it. A one-way clutch could keep it in place, or it could swing back at a reduced hammer hold length, to reach 6:00 alongside the other weight again, and the roles are reversed.
I am failing to see the gain aspect though.

I have not been able to get the idea out of my mind that the gain must come from non-lineair fomulae governing the movements of the weights. Weight need to save time, or exploit a second or third power component of a formula.

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
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Offline Dr

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2010, 12:27:58 AM »
@ Cloxxie & Alex:  My point being that a free falling weight will NEVER hit at 6 O clock unless your wheel is standing still! :)

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2010, 05:03:31 PM »
Here is the design

Forget about it perpetuating for the moment, this is how i'm trying to cause 1 of the weights to fly up to the axle at 6 o clock.

Both weights fall clockwise from the top to the bottom. At 6 o clock the outer weight swings hitting the rim out pulling the inner weight up into the axle, they are both the same weight, the weight travels up to the axle faster and further than the outer weight. The energy to do this is gained from the drop. This then allows the outer weight to make to up and over at the top at 12 o clock, the then re tune the weights, a spring is needed which i omitted for now as i want to discuss the bottom part...

Alex


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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: Harness Energy gained from a falling weight
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2010, 01:04:45 AM »
Actually what you seem to be referring to is how i always thought bessler had done it, a split system is the only purely mechanical system i thought was viable, mine may be more easily explained, whilst the direstions/ information available on the bessler wheel seem to have a million interpretations, i believe he may simply have split this system more than once like more arms on a mag grav drive.

Bear with me and i will try to make a simple picture in your head as to the mechanics, two weights, one set half way up in the centre of the wheel, the second weight at 1 minute past twelve on the outer side of the wheel, the weight at the top falls, by the time it reach 3.30 o'clock the centre weight is lifted to the top equal weight for equal weight plus weight for the wheel, the remaining fall and velocity equal to half a lift takes the outer weight back through to the centre only. Now i believe the main mistake is that everyone builds a bessler wheel believing they need to interact with the entire outer of both sides of the wheel this is not true, overbalance is one side only, the second mistake is that everyone who tries a centre rise and right side drop, uses a vertical oval style chain loop instead of a wheel, which alters and removes the momentum gain from a circular wheel

 

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