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Offline gotoluc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #450 on: April 01, 2010, 07:27:46 PM »
Hi Luc,

Thanks for all the tests, I am even more puzzled now... and this is not a complaint of course  :)   :-\ 

Basically I meant to get rid of the hi res Fluke microvolt meter because I suspected its ground sees the computer grnd and the signal gen grnd and at the same time it has to measure a few microvolts amplitude floating on 12V DC  while the pulses has an increasing frequency: this may challange its common mode behavior and the sampling process inside it may suffer.

Well this is not case, so for the time being I have no explanation (of my own) for the negative polarity...

Thanks,  Gyula

Okay Gyula I understand.

I have tested ground loop possibility before and found none.

However, just to make sure again I connected the high resolution volt meter to an inverter so it is powered by 12vdc (no ground possibility) and the current meter I used is a battery operated one so that's not a problem. There is no Oscilloscope probes connected either, so that's not a problem. The circuit is running from one 12vdc battery and a separate 12vdc battery is used for the inverter to power the volt meter.

Still with all this the results are identical as I posted.

I think it maybe time you consider this as a true gain of current when the magnet is applied and resonance is achieved.

Let me know if there is anything we could of missed.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #451 on: April 01, 2010, 07:50:31 PM »
Luc,

Then a logical step would be to go up in the resonant frequency in this setup, this means to lower the inductance further down with stronger magnet(s), right?

What if you replace the 12V battery with a capacitor, charged up first to the same 12.7V?  If current flows back then the cap voltage should very very slowly increase (depending on self discharge inner dissipation).

Gyula

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #452 on: April 01, 2010, 08:45:20 PM »
Luc,

Then a logical step would be to go up in the resonant frequency in this setup, this means to lower the inductance further down with stronger magnet(s), right?

What if you replace the 12V battery with a capacitor, charged up first to the same 12.7V?  If current flows back then the cap voltage should very very slowly increase (depending on self discharge inner dissipation).

Gyula

This is what I have been doing ever since I started this topic Gyula.

No battery is connected and the cap bank charges up.

Luc


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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #452 on: April 01, 2010, 08:45:20 PM »
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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #453 on: April 01, 2010, 08:48:54 PM »
This is what I have been doing ever since I started this topic Gyula.

No battery is connected and the cap bank charges up.

Luc

very nice.

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #454 on: April 01, 2010, 09:54:05 PM »
Hi all, I did some tests based on some comments in this thread to satisfy my own curiousity.  Dont know if its useful or not, but here are the results.

Core: Metglas 2714A 2510P4AF Flat Loop  25mmx19mmx10mm flat loop

Magnet wire - 22 guage

BK 878A LCR Meter

4 turn wire - 12"

2 turn wire - 6"

1 turn wire - 3"

Data is at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=twYJTFuWUrRAMMzos--b_LQ&output=html

I dont know if there's anything useful in there yet - I was just recording data.  One thing I saw was the discrepency between the 2 CCW + 2CCW series and the single 4 CW - I wound those setups twice to verify that it was different.

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #455 on: April 01, 2010, 10:20:16 PM »
Hi all, I did some tests based on some comments in this thread to satisfy my own curiousity.  Dont know if its useful or not, but here are the results.

Core: Metglas 2714A 2510P4AF Flat Loop  25mmx19mmx10mm flat loop

Magnet wire - 22 guage

BK 878A LCR Meter

4 turn wire - 12"

2 turn wire - 6"

1 turn wire - 3"

Data is at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=twYJTFuWUrRAMMzos--b_LQ&output=html

I dont know if there's anything useful in there yet - I was just recording data.  One thing I saw was the discrepency between the 2 CCW + 2CCW series and the single 4 CW - I wound those setups twice to verify that it was different.

Hi void109,

thanks for doing these tests. I would guess that the 2CCW 2CCW Series 1094uH result would be the way my coil is done.

It would be of great service if you can try the following idea.

Someone asked me, if 2 coil section wound and connected the correct way (in series) will double the inductance, will 4 or more coil section quadruple or more the inductance.

Can you do a test to verify this, as it would be of great help to all replicators.

I'm not sure how the 4 sections would be connected to get highest value, so you may have to try many combination's to figure it out.

Please let us know what you come up with.

Thanks again for sharing all this great data with us.

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #456 on: April 01, 2010, 11:50:28 PM »
This is what I have been doing ever since I started this topic Gyula.

No battery is connected and the cap bank charges up.

Luc

Sorry Luc, I have lost in the circuit and measurement details so much that I forgot about the overall history...

Gyula

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Re: Self running coil?
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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #457 on: April 02, 2010, 12:03:43 AM »
Sorry Luc, I have lost in the circuit and measurement details so much that I forgot about the overall history...

Gyula

No problem Gyula ;)

I do appreciate all your test suggestions as I would hate to overlook something obvious.

This makes me feel better that someone with so much more EE knowledge than me cannot see something that has been overlooked.

I'll keep developing it and posting the results.

Thanks again for your assistance :)

Luc

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #458 on: April 02, 2010, 05:08:49 AM »
Hey Mags,

I am still going to try...but, I have now reduced my input power from 2 amps using one toroid, to having 4 toroids in series and a 100 ohm resistor on the battery lead.  Amps are reduced to .070... ;) 

The idea, I am thinking, will be to wire in series as many toroids as possible, all the same cores, and windings.  Wrap with just enough windings to oscillate the magnet.  The MORE toroids in series, the LESS power used...why?  Because the toroid DOES NOT SEE THE LOAD, because the power is being generated by oscillating a magnetic field.  Yes, more amps make it to oscillate better, but having the proper core, with powerful magnet inside, should more than make up for it.  I will add up my output power tomorow and see where I stand.  But, hehehe, I simply need to keep adding toroids and remove the 100 Ohm resistor.

Cheers,

Bruce

The above is a quote from Bruce in another thread.  He says, having more toroids in series, lowers the input power.  If we connect two toroids in series, and used both ends of the magnet between each toroid in a figure 8 or an overlapping figure 8 configuration, then we may have an increase in performance, as compared to a single toroid where only one end of the magnet is being used.  The unused end of the magnet with a single toroid can bias another toroid at no cost, let's use it.

I'm just trying to throw out ideas to improve upon what Luc has already done.  It's not changing his system, other than utilizing what isn't currently being used.  Let's exploit the system to it's fullest potential possible.

GB

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Re: Self running coil?
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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #459 on: April 02, 2010, 05:52:28 AM »
The above is a quote from Bruce in another thread.  He says, having more toroids in series, lowers the input power.  If we connect two toroids in series, and used both ends of the magnet between each toroid in a figure 8 or an overlapping figure 8 configuration, then we may have an increase in performance, as compared to a single toroid where only one end of the magnet is being used.  The unused end of the magnet with a single toroid can bias another toroid at no cost, let's use it.

I'm just trying to throw out ideas to improve upon what Luc has already done.  It's not changing his system, other than utilizing what isn't currently being used.  Let's exploit the system to it's fullest potential possible.

GB

Hi GB,

I agree with you!... the dual toroid idea sounds good.

Please note that adding toriod's in series is also a way of increasing inductance. I'm starting to think that maybe a high enough inductance coil on a ferrite core toroid at resonance may return some energy even without adding magnets.

Many things to test ;)

Luc


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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #460 on: April 02, 2010, 06:35:13 AM »
@gotoluc

Are you tempted to add two thicker coils of a few turns each over the existing coils. This way you can measure any output on them while in resonance compared to slightly off resonance. You can do the same to your one wind coil and compare output results. If both are the same output, then we can scratch our heads even more. One would assume that more inductance means more field but does it mean more output.

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #461 on: April 02, 2010, 08:29:08 AM »
@Luc,

No rush on the dual toroid config.  Work at your on pace. There is a lot of testing to be done.  Just keep those ideas in the back of your mind, until your ready to cross that road, especially for an asymmetry system.  I've noticed the Steorn camp is using two different frequencies, duty cycles, etc in their ssOrbo.......probably to create an asymmetric system.

Around the 57 second mark of this Steorn video, announcing the ssOrbo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIZy72uCRc ,  it shows software setup to handle two different frequencies, two different duty cycles, etc.  ClanZer's ssOrbo replication is also showing this same setup, http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZSSpanel.jpg  This is more than likely used to create an asymmetric system.

This document recently released from Steorn, http://www.steorn.com/images/asymmetry-and-energy-in-magnetic-systems.pdf , sets out to demonstrate that such asymmetry in itself does not lead to unexpected energy results, but that a combination of asymmetry and non-linear MH relationships does indeed lead to unexpected energy results.

I think we need to make it an asymmetric system, or drive it into a parametric resonance state.  We're already working on the non-linear MH curve by placing the magnet on the toroid, so I don't think we need to worry about this, other than finding the best position.  Maybe the dual coil is, or could be used to create an asymmetric system with very little modification of the circuit.

GB

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #462 on: April 02, 2010, 10:19:58 AM »
@Luc,

No rush on the dual toroid config.  Work at your on pace. There is a lot of testing to be done.  Just keep those ideas in the back of your mind, until your ready to cross that road, especially for an asymmetry system.  I've noticed the Steorn camp is using two different frequencies, duty cycles, etc in their ssOrbo.......probably to create an asymmetric system.

Around the 57 second mark of this Steorn video, announcing the ssOrbo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIZy72uCRc ,  it shows software setup to handle two different frequencies, two different duty cycles, etc.  ClanZer's ssOrbo replication is also showing this same setup, http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZSSpanel.jpg  This is more than likely used to create an asymmetric system.

This document recently released from Steorn, http://www.steorn.com/images/asymmetry-and-energy-in-magnetic-systems.pdf , sets out to demonstrate that such asymmetry in itself does not lead to unexpected energy results, but that a combination of asymmetry and non-linear MH relationships does indeed lead to unexpected energy results.

I think we need to make it an asymmetric system, or drive it into a parametric resonance state.  We're already working on the non-linear MH curve by placing the magnet on the toroid, so I don't think we need to worry about this, other than finding the best position.  Maybe the dual coil is, or could be used to create an asymmetric system with very little modification of the circuit.

GB

Yes, the introduction of a second signal into the resonating circuit is key.  Here is a link to a video(rather old) that mentions exactly that.  He is talking about a solid state N-Machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0L9rq87n3w#t=5m20s

Most intriguing that ssOrbo is also a multi frequency device.  Can it really be this simple?  Sure hope so, either way 2010 is shaping up as a banner year for OU research.

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #463 on: April 02, 2010, 10:25:52 AM »
Yes, the introduction of a second signal into the resonating circuit is key.  Here is a link to a video(rather old) that mentions exactly that.  He is talking about a solid state N-Machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0L9rq87n3w#t=5m20s

Most intriguing that ssOrbo is also a multi frequency device.  Can it really be this simple?  Sure hope so, either way 2010 is shaping up as a banner year for OU research.


Video .... Thanks !

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Re: Self running coil?
« Reply #464 on: April 02, 2010, 02:42:09 PM »
Could i use this hardware as a signal/frequency generator ?

http://maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220045


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