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Author Topic: Water Burner (easy to build open source)  (Read 12269 times)

Offline oroshay

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Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« on: March 10, 2010, 11:39:17 AM »
Hi all,

I am sharing my machine with you. Not to sell but for you to build. An open source project if you like. I have the basic machine as outlined below running successfuly, and have future plans to use it to generate super heated steam.

Readily available parts are all you need to build one.

All you need to build one of these is a small welding machine. A TIG welding machine is prefered as it has a high frequency start feature built in that is used to start and maintain an arc, although an ordinary stick welder (much cheaper) can be used and modified with added high frequency injection.

The small inverter welding units that are available today are indeed small, portable and powerful.

The Earth Clamp and Live electrode holder are replaced with tungsten electrodes (available from welding suppliers). You also need:

1. A suitable source of sprayed water. Like a carburetor.
2. A high frequency square wave pulse (20khz or higher) injected into the circuit.
3. A ceramic tube.
4. A low pressure compressed air source to blow the water spray into the tube.
 
...and you have a basic setup that will produce a plasma arc and will burn water.

Continuously burn water. Like a jet engine flame.

Arrange the tungsten electrodes to protrude into a ceramic tube with a 6mm gap between them, and spray water into one end of the tube. As soon as the water spray fills the spark gap, the high frequency strikes the arc between the electrodes and burns the water. A nice orange glow surrounds the end of tube signifying a plasma is present.

The arrangement of the parts is like this:
A ceramic tube is connected to a carburetor via a heat resistant flexible tube. A variable speed vacuum cleaner in reverse (blowing) is connected to the inlet of the carburetor.

My intention is to produce instant super heated steam, but yours could be to use this in other ways depending on your needs, such as heating your house, transport, or generating your own fuel-less electricity cheaply to get partially off the grid.

Best regards, and leave feedback as to how you get on with your project. I won't be fielding questions on this as I assume you will use Google to supply your answers. It's pretty basic stuff anyway.

Good Luck!



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Offline Mark69

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 02:44:57 PM »
Do you have a video of it or can you make one?

Mark

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 05:54:30 PM »

I am sharing my machine with you. Not to sell but for you to build. An open source project if you like. I have the basic machine as outlined below running successfuly, and have future plans to use it to generate super heated steam.


Hi! Oroshay;

I notice in your above presentation that you don't make any claims
about overunity energy production. So some questions I have are:

o Do you feel your device uses electricity to produce more net heat
then would be produced in a nichrome heated boiler, for instance, as
an arc welder can use quite a bit of power? They usually operate on
a 220-240Vac utility lines.

o Can you specify a manufacture and a part number for the TIG
welder that has the additional option features that you describe.

o Do you disable the welder's HF high frequency signal and
inject your own frequency? Or is the HF signal put in some
other way? Or do you just use the welder's HF?

Your project does have characteristics of a water burner.
(a device that uses an underwater arc to access overunity
energy production though cold fusion of hydrogen in the feed
water)

Thank You.
:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 05:54:30 PM »
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Online ramset

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 07:11:11 PM »
Oroshay

Burning water with a frequency?

I knew the guy in Florida did this,so you are saying its no great task?
A standard Tig machine makes this frequency?
Yes we could google that ,or call a manufacturer.

The rest seems KISS ?
By implying some type of off grid benefit,you must "feel" this yields more than it uses?

A picture would be really cool!!

Hmmm...[a Stefanism]
I have several welding machines but no "Tig".

We gotta try this fellas!!
How to proceed with the frequency issue??

Any ideas?
Chet

Ps
well I did some Googling
AC square wave [not DC]
as low as 2-5 amps[input]
20-250 Htz

Oroshay
A teentsy bit more info on what you used [machine and setting/frequency]would really help?
does it have to be an AC square wave machine?

Offline Terbo

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 04:43:27 AM »
I believe the "water burner" phenomena described in this thread is covered by U.S. Pat 6,156,994 titled "Arc-Plasma Method for Welding Metals" by A.I. Apunevich.  This technology has been incorporated in a lightweight (8kg) portable plasma gun called the "Multiplaz 3500" plasma-steam torch.  The YouTube videos for this torch show how it easily cuts thick metals.  It apparently is putting out far more than the 2kW power it is consuming.



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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 04:43:27 AM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 07:55:20 PM »
@Terbo

I am pretty sure that this is not the welder he was referring to.

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It hard to say what is happening in any particular material. The
reason I say this is that hydrogen being the smallest atom/molecule
readily gets inside a metal matrix. Because of this, it makes it possible
for a torch to oxidize some of the metal itself to release additional
heat energy.

I believe certain catalysts and probably ceramics act in the same
manner to release energy via cold fusion. Those groupings of copper
tubes in that claimed overunity room heater, I think, acts in that
catalytic way.

It's no suprise that burning (oxidizing) metal can release energy.
But if the material is not consumed over time then the energy
release is most like due to cold fusion in hydrogen from the
water. That room heater is a good example of the need to
re-enter the cold fusion process because the energy gain from
one pass of cold fusion is often too small to be of practical
interest. By using multistage gain multiplication a useful amount
of additional energy may be acquired.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 11:11:47 PM »
@oroshay

The TIG Tungsten Inert Gas welder business is very complicated.
If you don't believe it here is a .pdf manual chapters 1,2&3;

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/TIGhandbook/

So the question about "Which model and manufacture?" becomes very
important. There are all sorts of AC/DC/Square wave/HF inverter signal
drive modes possible;

The other question is "Does one feed anything in on TIG gas line"
where the TIG purge gas usually flows? Bottled Argon gas could
get expensive.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
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Offline oroshay

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Re: Water Burner (easy to build open source)
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 10:29:48 AM »
Additional Notes.

No Argon or CO2 gas is needed. There is no welding. There is no need for a welding gas shield to be used.

Think of the TIG machine as a construction unit rather than a welder.

To simplify construction of the Water Burner, I have used a TIG welding machine which has High Frequency start already built-in. I only use it as a readily available unit we can utilise for our needs. Electicity (from the welding machine) will flow more readily between the tungsten electrodes when HF is used to ionize the air in the gap between them. (this is how an arc is struck while TIG welding).


Adjust the welding controls (AMPS) to give a stable plasma flame whilst the water is sprayed between the electrodes through the ceramic tube. Ceramic tube is a large diameter Nozzle from a TIG torch.

There are two choices of construction:

First option (easiest):
Use a TIG machine which has High Frequency start built-in. The smallest and cheapest one you can find which has HF Start, will be more than adequate.

or

Second option:
Use a simple and more readily available, Manual Metal Arc Stick welder and inject a HF at the electrodes. Again the smallest and cheapest (MMA) Stick welder will be fine. Seperate injection of HF at the electrodes is nessessary using this method.

No welding gas shield (Argon or CO2) is used and is not needed at all for this system.

The Multiplaz 3500 posted above is not the welder to buy.

A small carburetor from a lawn mower engine or a small motorbike is ideal. Arange a gravity water tank and blow air from a variable speed vacuum cleaner into the carb inlet. Adjust the carb needle jet to give a nice fine mixture of water and air at the outlet. I used a pressurised garden water sprayer at first but couldn't control the spray. The carb/vacuum cleaner works fine.

« Last Edit: March 15, 2010, 10:57:06 AM by oroshay »

 

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