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Author Topic: Magnets/Buoyancy  (Read 14262 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2006, 07:37:39 PM »
This concept is similar to an idea I had last year, ( See picture 1)
Finally I found out that the wheel can't work.


Please tell us, why it does not work.
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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2006, 07:37:39 PM »

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2006, 08:27:15 PM »
Position of the hinge is very important! In my scheme the hinge is outside and the desired position is the position with minimum potencial energy - equilibrim , but in other schemes the hinge is "inside" , and the desired position of the plate is that with maximum potencial energy - the center of mass of the heavy plate goes up when the plate closes the element, and in my proposition it goes down => minimum potencial energy.
To move up the center of mass we need energy. In my prpopsition it is not so because the center of mass goes down to local minimum of potencial energy. That's why these schemes don't work and my will  :P

Offline macelyne

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2006, 08:35:34 PM »
I think the link posted by Omnibus explains it all,
I couldn't do it better...

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2006, 08:35:34 PM »
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Offline DarkLight

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2006, 08:59:18 PM »
Did you read my explanation?  Look at it and think for a moment. Take a  hinge with a massive body attached to it. Look what will happen when the hinge is lower than the center of mass of the body, and what will happend when it is above the mass center. There is a great difference. And exactly that difference determines will this work or not.





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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2006, 09:05:24 PM »
...but when the hinge is outside of the wheel
the center of mass moves more to the outer side of the wheel,
when it opens up the air chamber !

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2006, 09:05:24 PM »
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Offline DarkLight

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2006, 09:12:13 PM »
Yes but this work is done by gravity. We don' t need  to put in any external energy. The center of mass of the heavy plate goes down due to the gravity force.
When the mass center goes down we use gravity to do that. Whet it goes up - we need to put in external energy to overcome the grawity force.

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nothing similar
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2006, 12:46:48 PM »
with my construction. Why did you draw that?

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nothing similar
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2006, 12:46:48 PM »
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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2006, 03:23:30 PM »
Please have a look here for physics involved...or not involved.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm

I am not sure if this will work.

But, I am open to why it would!? ;D

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All of these illustrate that geometry is the underlying reason why overbalanced wheels will not work. You may indeed get a boost from the imbalance of mass, but in a cyclic process that mass must be moved back to where it started to repeat the cycle, and that's where you lose what you gained.

Now, if you could use GEOMETRY FOR you, instead of AGAINST...or a combo of magnets and the wheel (perhaps a picture of how the magnets are used)...
« Last Edit: March 23, 2006, 03:55:57 PM by jaybird »

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not exactly
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2006, 06:45:56 PM »
Free Energy, I think that my scheme is clear enough. Direction of rotation is exactly the oposite of that you draw! Big volume goes up, small volume goes down. In my scheme the energy that is needed to close elements is minimal, in yours - it is not. That is very important because if this energy is too much, the motor will not work.

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not exactly
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2006, 06:45:56 PM »
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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2006, 01:01:25 PM »
never mind..(delete)

 

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