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Title: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 10, 2010, 04:39:44 AM
Hi all!

Welcome to my new tread !

Ok in this tread i will work on my new JT design , inspired by the Rodin Coil , and agent gates coil , but mostly by nature .

Theory of operation .

First of it looks like some strange step down transformer .

But i believe the action of this transformer can't be classified in the same fashion (step up step down ).

Because of the position of the pickup coil , i think the result is induced by the field outside wire (primary) crossing the pickup coil.

The design of the primary introduce a time factor and the location a field motion.

I will try to illustrate all this in the following posts

Here are the video i made so far .

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u

Mark


 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 10, 2010, 04:48:46 AM
@all

First the outside of the wire.

What if it is the wire field that is crossing the pickup coil and inducing the voltage.

The question is the find the best angle to pick it up with out direct coupling.

First what is the best angle at witch the field should cross the wire.

What if there is 2 field the weaker one dismissed by traditional views, it would also give the impression of being at 90 degree .

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 10, 2010, 04:50:47 AM
Tradition would say 90 degree , but is that really it or a illusion ?

Ed would not agree.

The Fibonacci spiral could be a illustration of the field spin .

The Ying-yang a illustration of a magnet from the top .

The black and white presenting the north and south from the top of  the round magnet.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 10, 2010, 04:52:12 AM
Time factor ! Of the primary.
 

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 10, 2010, 04:53:50 AM
Now the tube , and coil geometry , Plato has a word to say there.

But really nature is the teacher.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: rave154 on March 10, 2010, 07:30:09 AM
interesting stuff there MK, keep it up, i like your tests & thinking
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: itanimuLLi on March 10, 2010, 04:46:03 PM
Hi MK1 I wish U succes with the new thread and your experiments. Keep up the good work and the videos
thx
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Mark,
I must say the "depth" of your interests here is most
intriguing!
And besides that, you make cliffhanger movies! ;D

Thanks for sharing your Knowledge and hard work!

You are one "Cool" guy.

Chet
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: RS_ on March 10, 2010, 06:41:30 PM
Hi Mk1 and all,

I am a long time Bedini Builder, and have been following the JT builders lately, and have built several JT's............

and thought that this pic might show better,  what the pic of the sunflower shows

this is the Flower of Life,   and is what i think that shape the ether is twisted into,  around a wire or coil as the Hevinside (sp) flow in the ether , of which only the small Polyting (sp) flow that the wire intercepts,  causes current flow in the wire

RS
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: crowclaw on March 10, 2010, 09:35:35 PM
Well done MK1,
This could open up some interesting new theories, ideas and experiments... there's a lot more to find out than meets the eye_so to speak. Probably only scratching the surface, so a long way to go yet. Excellent work. Regards
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 02:50:16 AM
@crowclaw RS_ ramset itanimuLLi rave154

Thanks for all your positive comment !

All feel free to share , i think we all have a contribution to make and it will come in due time.

Rs_

 yep i forgot to put the dream catcher , i feel that that one would look great on a flat coil or two .

@all

I have seen some real interesting thing in the Romanian tread , a vortex coil

With a plastic core filed with fero-fluid , that looked really promising ...

I Pm him to come join the fun , hopefully we will see him around.

I wast then looking for Diy fero fluid on youtube , in a video a magnet was dropped in the fluid and the magnet started to move quite freely .

One magnet could i believe be inserted in the core with fluid , and give the effect seen on the TPU , just thinking about it putting the magnet in (like Sm )specific location could induce not only a orbit but rotation ...

Ok i will try to make some chronological arrangements of the many prototype built , i will try to tell all what works and how ...

Mark

 

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: kooler on March 11, 2010, 05:04:03 AM
does this help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQh1AT6qUE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQh1AT6qUE)

robbie
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 11, 2010, 05:09:02 AM
MK1:

This is a fascinating circuit here.  As others have already said, the possibilities are numerous.  When I get some time, I will try to replicate.

Keep up your good work.

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 08:20:14 AM
@kooler pirate

Thanks guys!

Kooler that is the recipe i will use thanks !

 And this is the video see how the magnet seems weight less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI7am0V1qLM



Also i have found the video of what i was speaking earlier .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8TI3BaQgVA

It may look like the regular bearing less bedini , but not really , fero fluid inside .

The magnet is not rotating on it self its going in circle , of course we did see magnets running around in a contained environment spinning on the wall of the container  but this is not the case ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4YgCy0EWKs


Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2010, 11:54:07 AM
Mark
There is something very special happening here,
I don't know how or why but I see this thread bringing folks together here ,people whose names I have "seen" many times but never got a chance to know?
And To me it means "power" people power!
Feels good [very good]
Hopefully people power comes first and then .............. :o

Your a really cool guy Mark with some really cool friends!

 a TPU and a jewel thief who would have thought?
what a good script for a Movie ;D
BTW this is a Tito face-> ;D,<-  [its good] !=]

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 11, 2010, 12:12:41 PM
Hi all!

Welcome to my new tread !

Ok in this tread i will work on my new JT design , inspired by the Rodin Coil , and agent gates coil , but mostly by nature .


Great job Mark!

I was wondering about your pickup coil.  Is that a duplication of the "agentgates" (angled wiring) or are you merely tapping voltage from a 'straight simple wound' air coil?  How are the Led's tapped onto it?  Are you utilizing any other components?

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: slapper on March 11, 2010, 03:49:36 PM
For what it is worth, MICR toner has more ferros material in it.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: innovation_station on March 11, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
looks great mk1!

: )

cant waite to see more ... 


ist!

we gonna make em fly yet eddy? 

; )
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on March 11, 2010, 08:18:23 PM
@MK1

Thanks for your real nice video.

Try putting your LED directly onto the center coil, then pulse the outer coil. Then take the center coil and place it here and there, over and under to see where the best coupling is happenning. It is not always necessarilly in the center.

Also, I have given the AG coil a great deal of though and realize there is a major effect of cancellation that must be happenning in that coil given the criss-crossing of the winds, and given you only have one outer horizontal coil wound to catch it.

I would guess the future of such a coil will mature into using the horizontal wind in the center, actually two horizontal winds separated by a spacer or other good material, then have the 45 degree winds over them. This way you can catch the outer separate from the inner energy then try to put the two (or more) horizontal output coils in series or parallel.

In such systems that rely on some level of skin effect, the AG coil as it stands today is only using about 25% of the potential surface area available via coupling. I made a quick drawing of what I think will be the final result of such a build. 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
@ E-Goose Ramset Slapper Wattsup

Thank again for your interest.




 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 09:40:44 PM
@wattsup

I agree that if the theory hold valid , that would be a good way to go about it.

Thank for the drawing you made it very clear.

@all

I still have issue to iron out , 1 of my main prototype is giving me more output with some load on the transistor , it is not the most powerful but is the most promising to that fact alone , i have yet to isolate the reason for it . Some of my leads are the secondary is spaced between the winds ( it would agree with Ag theory) , it may also have to do with some randomness i added to the windings , also there seems to be some think undeniable the fatter the wire on the pickup coil the more amps seems to come out. There are many type of winding to consider not only there location , i wish to see if i can get power from a coil outside the one i already have on. Those two coil could be then connected in series , pancake , mobius i already tested some of that seems to load even less the transistor , And so on . :)


@all

Here are the first two prototype i made , i started with the idea that you could make a JT from wires only no core .

And then on the second one i got the same idea Wattsup had .



Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
@all

Oscar made a movie ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdxlD4xOck

With scope shot !

 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8586.msg232142#new

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 10:48:32 PM
Great job Mark!

I was wondering about your pickup coil.  Is that a duplication of the "agentgates" (angled wiring) or are you merely tapping voltage from a 'straight simple wound' air coil?  How are the Led's tapped onto it?  Are you utilizing any other components?

Regards

E-Goose


I think you speak of the satellite coil , i hope i am right .

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/2/U9BMTAlL0dU

The satellite coil is actually a fabrication reject , when i started making the Micro version this was the first one but the edge is kinked so i made a new one that became the green and white one , so it is the exact same geometry but only one wire.

The 3 led on to are from one of those dollar store lamp , i removed the 3 aaa and one resistor and soldered it to the coil direct to it.

Its very free and useful because it shows visually when the transistor is under load form the orbit pickup coil.

I also used at first the other coil made from over 1000 turns of 30 gauge wire. The other coil is so much better.

You can see those used in my first 2 video .

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/4/OyiY-N1Ha5A

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/5/Glg8ZWntnAo



Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 11, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
@all

More pictures of another prototype .

Also the satellite coil managed to pickup the field around a ferrite toroid Jt no magnets.

The bright light is 24 led in parallel .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: skippula on March 12, 2010, 12:26:13 AM
 Mk1 ,Wattsup like this?

http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1030244.JPG

Post #12   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8586.0

Run mouse over text photos come up.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 12, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Mk1 ,Wattsup like this?

http://www.samsonium.org/sites/default/files/P1030244.JPG

Post #12   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8586.0

Run mouse over text photos come up.


Yes it is an expansion on what i have learned about the Agentgates coil .

Thank !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 12, 2010, 01:25:34 AM
@wattsup

I made a mod on your idea .


Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 12, 2010, 12:03:57 PM
@wattsup

I made a mod on your idea .

Thanks for the reply Mark.

BTW, that's a good idea about the modification to the wattsup notion.  I originally thought the same thing some time back (about making the bifilar coil 'heart') out of a copper coil itself rather than the cardboard or plastic former.  The reason I didnt was because, once it is there you can't remove it and it acts as a Faraday cage altering the behavior of the 'air' core itself.  It means you are restricted if you want to do a lttle bit of experimentation with it.  OK if you are happy with the end product though.

Do your bifilar winds actually start on opposite sides of the former (crossing at the same point but running in parallel?)  whoa is that clear?   :P

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on March 12, 2010, 07:47:24 PM
@ All.
Hi, one more idea. (Pickup cap from shiny cooper tape or plate)
Or 2 pickup coils 1 round from shiny cooper tape or plate
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Magluvin on March 12, 2010, 11:42:44 PM
Hey Mk
Since you have been working on this for a while, has it given you any insight as to what is actually going on with this style of coil interaction as compared to what we know about common transformers? Is there any of AG's theory becoming evident as you progress?
Just asking. I had an interest in the interactions of windings crossing similar to these before AG brought it about.

I wonder if 45deg is optimum. I had some good ideas and thoughts of how the coils would interact. But I had to wander back to some projects I was more into at the time.

Its good to see there are more than one way to apply the coils. Actually, yours had the best output so far as I can tell.

How many coils have you made and tried so far. Just interested.

Mags
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 13, 2010, 03:43:53 AM
@ All.
Hi, one more idea. (Pickup cap from shiny cooper tape or plate)
Or 2 pickup coils 1 round from shiny cooper tape or plate

Hi thanks for the drawing , good idea , i already tried with aluminum As soon as i put it in the middle the coils stops working , so the field inside the toroid is really important for the good operation of the coil.

I did not at the time have enough copper to try it.

Mark
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on March 13, 2010, 03:56:19 AM
Hi Mark,
This is really great that you have made this thread.
I have wanted to fix my copy of your coil for a while and soon I will have the time to wind again.

Is the light on the motor movie a 1v or 3v flashlight lamp? It appears to be the filament type.
I know I asked this on the other thread, but I want to see the confirmation here.

I also noticed that on the liquid fero coil vid the person has made a coil with the cardboard tube turned into a cardboard flat like a cd instead of the way you and AG did them.
Did you try that?
I wonder where to put a pick up on that? But it might be a lot easier to make.

First I will refine my replication so it works like yours.

Thank you for all the detail,

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 13, 2010, 04:01:55 AM
Hey Mk
Since you have been working on this for a while, has it given you any insight as to what is actually going on with this style of coil interaction as compared to what we know about common transformers? Is there any of AG's theory becoming evident as you progress?
Just asking. I had an interest in the interactions of windings crossing similar to these before AG brought it about.

I wonder if 45deg is optimum. I had some good ideas and thoughts of how the coils would interact. But I had to wander back to some projects I was more into at the time.

Its good to see there are more than one way to apply the coils. Actually, yours had the best output so far as I can tell.

How many coils have you made and tried so far. Just interested.

Mags


Ok , many good questions , i will answer some of it now , and some more tomorrow .

45 degree i am still not sure , but when i did do it i went from 1 to 3 volts the 8 volts out per turn , it did help but it doesn't mean it the best it can do.

So far i have constructed all prototypes with the original theory by Ag, but i use 1.25 volts and the kicking is quite different from what is originally specified by AG , never the less i know i can turn any type of transformer in a jt so i did ( it means it is a transformer , but i have one with 4 primary when i use only 2 the other left there give me what i should expect from a regular jt pickup coil good but not spectacular ).

The secondary(pickupcoil) works independently from the rest.

How many ?

Lets see ...  about 9 .

 more pictures
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Magluvin on March 13, 2010, 04:13:25 AM
Hey Mk
On that last pic, it looks good and tight. I always wondered if you had another secondary inside also, if the polarity of it would be in the opposite direction of the outer secondary. By the looks of it in relation to the primaries, it seems as if it would be just as effective as the outer secondary. So I wonder if it would take anything from the outer primary if it were added, or if the secondaries could be combined to increase the power out. =]

Mags
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 13, 2010, 04:42:41 AM
Hi Mark,
This is really great that you have made this thread.
I have wanted to fix my copy of your coil for a while and soon I will have the time to wind again.

Is the light on the motor movie a 1v or 3v flashlight lamp? It appears to be the filament type.
I know I asked this on the other thread, but I want to see the confirmation here.

I also noticed that on the liquid fero coil vid the person has made a coil with the cardboard tube turned into a cardboard flat like a cd instead of the way you and AG did them.
Did you try that?
I wonder where to put a pick up on that? But it might be a lot easier to make.

First I will refine my replication so it works like yours.

Thank you for all the detail,

jeanna

Hi Jeanna ,how was camping , i hope you had fun .

Thanks for the 5 star and positive comment here and on the tube.

In the motor video i used the 49 size bulb its about 2 volts and .06 amp.

I also have a 6 volts and .25 amp , it lights at about 30 percent now , about the same as the 2 volts use to shine , at there is so much improvement that can be made , i have a 14v .25 i see something but lets not get crazy yet .

Yes the fero fluid coil is quite interesting , i would lay down the coil on each side of the core , it should work , but the fluid would most likely stop the AG coil action , and since the pickup coil would not be at 90 degree for the magnet i may not work or worst give dc  ;)

Mark 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: skippula on March 13, 2010, 04:52:19 AM
Mk1
Sir your workmanship Is amazing!
you must have the patience of a saint !
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 13, 2010, 04:56:49 AM
Hey Mk
On that last pic, it looks good and tight. I always wondered if you had another secondary inside also, if the polarity of it would be in the opposite direction of the outer secondary. By the looks of it in relation to the primaries, it seems as if it would be just as effective as the outer secondary. So I wonder if it would take anything from the outer primary if it were added, or if the secondaries could be combined to increase the power out. =]

Mags

Good question , i made one with one coil inside (the Micro ) but was care less and did it the wrong way around , so its not wound in the right direction.I should have a second look at it  , and come back with more.

There is also more loading , if it is true that the jt coil are blind to the pickup coil load in most cases , but 2 pickup coil on the same axe that is another ball game , i connected them mobius like and got better results.
After writing this i have to comment that the micro is not the best design .
But i did connect all 3 pickup coil in series and parallel series got more light.

I am still at a learning stage and having so much fun , i hope you will too.

One constant emerge , fat wire on the pickup coil are a must , i used the biggest i had , and now looking for bigger.

I still have so much info , i will be busy this weekend making videos of most important coil i have and try to show what i mean.

Thanks Mag




Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 13, 2010, 04:59:37 AM
Mk1
Sir your workmanship Is amazing!
you must have the patience of a saint !

Thanks , i have some patience and share a name with a saint but it is all about determination .
You are welcome !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 12:35:47 AM
@all

I made this in hope of explaining how to design you own coil.

To get efficient more efficiency you need at least 36 turns per jt wire .

The offset 10 degree is considering a second parallel layer so they each 5 degree spacing on the orbit side . I still not sure but i have reason to think that going bellow 3 degree is causing the load to be more apparent at the transistor. 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on March 14, 2010, 01:04:42 AM
Mark,
In the drawing you show a perfect triangle. You begin by moving toward the tube and end away from the tube (I am referring to the red arrows.)
When the one triangle is finished you must move on to the next spot to begin the next triangle.
So, my question is...
If your start and finish point is 7 on a clock, is the next triangle going to be toward 6 o'clock or 8 o'clock?

Did you try both ways?
---
Quote
The offset 10 degree is considering a second parallel layer so they each 5 degree spacing on the orbit side .
I do not understand what you are saying.

About the second layer, I am assuming the bifilar is made in alternate wires on the tube on each layer. Is that right?


Thank you,

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 01:13:30 AM
Mark,
In the drawing you show a perfect triangle. You begin by moving toward the tube and end away from the tube (I am referring to the red arrows.)
When the one triangle is finished you must move on to the next spot to begin the next triangle.
So, my question is...
If your start and finish point is 7 on a clock, is the next triangle going to be toward 6 o'clock or 8 o'clock?

Did you try both ways?
---I do not understand what you are saying.

About the second layer, I am assuming the bifilar is made in alternate wires on the tube on each layer. Is that right?


Thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna

Going toward 6 on a clock , by connecting the coil you can have it both ways , but winding it i always go usually to the right of the previous layer.
On x design one it going in opposite direction for each other.

You are right on the bililar question.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 02:59:19 AM
@all

In the theory exposed by Agentgates , saying that the diamagnetic of copper was causing the effect , so i tried aluminum (Paramagnetic)
it also works.

It left me with one question is the negative back spike , is because we us copper , could we change the material and get a positive one ?

Or even better produce both ?

Diamagnetic metals have a very weak and negative susceptibility to magnetic fields. Diamagnetic materials are slightly repelled by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Diamagnetic materials are solids with all paired electron resulting in no permanent net magnetic moment per atom. Diamagnetic properties arise from the realignment of the electron orbits under the influence of an external magnetic field. Most elements in the periodic table, including copper, silver, and gold, are diamagnetic.

Paramagnetic metals have a small and positive susceptibility to magnetic fields. These materials are slightly attracted by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Paramagnetic properties are due to the presence of some unpaired electrons, and from the realignment of the electron orbits caused by the external magnetic field. Paramagnetic materials include magnesium, molybdenum, lithium, and tantalum.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 03:19:50 AM
Thanks for the reply Mark.

Do your bifilar winds actually start on opposite sides of the former (crossing at the same point but running in parallel?)  whoa is that clear?   :P

Regards

E-Goose

I agree  ???

I almost mist it , i have done both , i have yet concluded on it .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 14, 2010, 03:53:36 AM
I agree  ???

I almost mist it , i have done both , i have yet concluded on it .

Mark

Hee hee...and here I was thinking I had totally confuddled you!  :D

Now this is all VERY intriguing and I am wondering some things after trialing some variants in addition to what I have played with previous.  Conclusion?  It has left me with even more questions (or more appropriately 'avenues to experiment') than the answers I was hoping for.  Ugggh.

I noticed 'AG' says that for his effect to be efficient, he prefers a spacing of 3 - 5mm between wires (minimum) (if using ONE wire and some sort of oscilation circuit).  However, because we are utilizing a bifilar/transistor oscillation I noticed that your wires appear somewhat closer Mark?  Or is that the camera playing tricks?  Pickup/satelite coil spacing not so important I am concluding.

Also, have you noticed what is more efficient in performance?  1) Wire 'slope' on the former face or 2)number of TOTAL turns (revolutions around former)? 

Regards

E=Goose2
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 04:19:51 AM
Hee hee...and here I was thinking I had totally confuddled you!  :D

Now this is all VERY intriguing and I am wondering some things after trialing some variants in addition to what I have played with previous.  Conclusion?  It has left me with even more questions (or more appropriately 'avenues to experiment') than the answers I was hoping for.  Ugggh.

I noticed 'AG' says that for his effect to be efficient, he prefers a spacing of 3 - 5mm between wires (minimum) (if using ONE wire and some sort of oscilation circuit).  However, because we are utilizing a bifilar/transistor oscillation I noticed that your wires appear somewhat closer Mark?  Or is that the camera playing tricks?  Pickup/satelite coil spacing not so important I am concluding.

Also, have you noticed what is more efficient in performance?  1) Wire 'slope' on the former face or 2)number of TOTAL turns (revolutions around former)? 

Regards

E=Goose2

Ok in this movie
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/3/wS935WyumjY

The coil has more space between to coils , see what happen to the bulb one the pickup coil when i connect on one the transistor , the bulb on the pickup coil gets brighter , but this not true for the slim , now is it because of the spacing in the pickup coil or the one on the jt , i am still not sure, sorry ...

The 45 degree angle slope seemed logical but lab experiment will be needed to have a definitive value for that slope.

I did notice a big improvement (in voltage output) over my first one that had a 15/75 slope.

Mark
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 14, 2010, 07:15:27 AM
Ok in this movie
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/3/wS935WyumjY

The coil has more space between to coils , see what happen to the bulb one the pickup coil when i connect on one the transistor , the bulb on the pickup coil gets brighter , but this not true for the slim , now is it because of the spacing in the pickup coil or the one on the jt , i am still not sure, sorry ...

The 45 degree angle slope seemed logical but lab experiment will be needed to have a definitive value for that slope.

I did notice a big improvement (in voltage output) over my first one that had a 15/75 slope.

Mark

Thanks Mark!

Perhaps less truly is more!

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 07:31:28 AM
Thanks Mark!

Perhaps less truly is more!

Regards

E-Goose

I just finished testing a few suggestion , and tested the slim one the bulb gets dimmer with one on the transistor ...

I also tested a choke one the secondary output , it barely worked .

Also Watson from Watson blog , told me to use 2sd965 from the fuji circuit
it works pretty well . He also mentioned the nte11 , i will get a pair one nte11 and one nte12 .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 14, 2010, 08:19:04 AM
I just finished testing a few suggestion , and tested the slim one the bulb gets dimmer with one one the transistor ...

I also tested a choke one the secondary output , it barely worked .

Also Watson from Watson blog , told me to use 2sd965 from the fuji circuit
it works pretty well . He also mentioned the nte11 , i will get a pair one nte11 and one nte12 .

Mark

Not sure what you meant "bulb gets dimmer with one one the transistor"??  Regarding the choke...you attempted to use this as a secondary pickup coil OR to smooth the output of your already existing secondary?

Nte112 UHF schottky diode?  Might clean things up somewhat.

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 08:52:10 AM
Mark

Not sure what you meant "bulb gets dimmer with one one the transistor"??  Regarding the choke...you attempted to use this as a secondary pickup coil OR to smooth the output of your already existing secondary?

Nte112 UHF schottky diode?  Might clean things up somewhat.

Regards

E-Goose

If you look at the video when i connect the bulb on the transistor the bulb on pickup coil get brighter that is the one with the taller core , but with the slim one when i have a bulb one both the transistor and the pickup coil they get dimmer . Btw this is what i mean when i say loading the transistor.

Choke was to smooth the output of your already existing secondary .

Nte11 specs :

http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/N/T/E/1/NTE11.shtml

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 14, 2010, 09:17:13 AM
If you look at the video when i connect the bulb on the transistor the bulb on pickup coil get brighter that is the one with the taller core , but with the slim one when i have a bulb one both the transistor and the pickup coil they get dimmer . Btw this is what i mean when i say loading the transistor.

Choke was to smooth the output of your already existing secondary .

Nte11 specs :

http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/N/T/E/1/NTE11.shtml

Mark

Ahh...I didnt pick that up in the vid.  Hmm...perhaps this indicates that the primary prefers a harsher angle to the winding (I assume being deeper former, it WAS a little steeper than your little one?)  Problem is, there are so many variables here, it might be that and might not be.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 14, 2010, 09:20:51 AM
Ahh...I didnt pick that up in the vid.  Hmm...perhaps this indicates that the primary prefers a harsher angle to the winding (I assume being deeper former, it WAS a little steeper than your little one?)  Problem is, there are so many variables here, it might be that and might not be.

E-Goose

I know its not the coil angle because the taller one also has a 45 degree slope like the slim one , the taller one has 3 turns per revolution and slim one 5 .

Thanks again , for bringing all those good points !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: woodycad on March 15, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
Hi everybody,

"the romanian" here, unfortunately having not time for any elaborate discuttion.
The template of Universe was decripted some months ago.
 The fundamental helix of transport (E.F.T.) build all flows of Superfluide Universe.
Nothing is planar motion, everything is in a helical geometry.
Any line, any planar geometry is an ilusion. An autoband move around TERRA and togeder move aroun SUN. Circular + another trajectory means helix.
All motions are helical. All planar imagines are proiective reality.
In a general relativity, all clusters flows in a helical geometry.(tetrahedral condensed matter)
See a magnetic line as a helical motion.
See a circle as intersection beetwen a plan and a helix.
See averything as a helix flow, no end and no begining.(as time, no limit back or front)

100 x (superstring+M+twistor + bundle fiber +...)theory= THE FUNDAMENTAL UNIVERSE PROJECT

You will hear in media, any country you are from!
Until then, see the site of the project:
www.thefundamentaluniverse.ro

Is much more than any dream of humanity,
Try to understand "the principle"(is public)and then aply it in different geometries.
You can understand from pictures, download 2 PDF from site (romanian language documents).
....ELSE YOU WILL SPEND TIME FOR NOTHING,....manytimes...






Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on March 16, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Mark,
Did you ever give us the amps draw on your coil?

thank you,

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on March 16, 2010, 04:23:25 AM
@MK1

Sorry to but in with this question about your AG coils.

If you have one that has more then one winding of the 45 degree coils, let's say if you had 2 or more 45 degree windings, then just pulse one of them and collect from the others either in parallel or in series. Then put those in series with the outer horizontal coil and see what kind of output you get.

It is possible that a pulse on one winding, will not only impart to the others but the others will then re-impart some back to the pulsed winding since all of them are inter-crossing. There must be a few frequencies to find that will agree with such a scheme.

I would be very interested in learning the result of this.

Added:

Again about the AG coil, I have a funny feeling the ultimate result will eventually be found to be with two of these coils like the Hendershot.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on March 17, 2010, 04:49:38 AM
@ All
hi, this I find on http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5507-self-running-coil-2.html  :

http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: woodycad on March 17, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
It's lost time,

only turbine principle catch energy.
Study fluidity... in The Fundamental Universe project!
All the matter is fluid, so as entire Universe!
See much more than 100 pages published, for free, on the project site!

Not spend time...in vain!

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 22, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
It's lost time,

only turbine principle catch energy.
Study fluidity... in The Fundamental Universe project!
All the matter is fluid, so as entire Universe!
See much more than 100 pages published, for free, on the project site!

Not spend time...in vain!


Well i wish you would at least offer some English version of that 100 pages.
Because all i get from you are pictures. I think i would loose more time learning Romanian then spend time...in vain!

I wish you would at least permit to copy character in your document that way i could use a translator , otherwise i am wasting my time ...

Thank for the pictures.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 22, 2010, 08:06:56 PM
Mark,
Did you ever give us the amps draw on your coil?

thank you,

jeanna

Sorry i could not answer sooner , it draws about 160 mili , but it changes form one transistor to the other .

I got some working from 70 mili to 230 mili .

I however am not too concern about it , since i am pushing in the opposite direction for the rest of the crowd , i am a bit alone here ...

Most are working to get the lowest input , i am working on getting the most current out .

I already see sparks yellow one when connecting connecting the secondary to the bulb , i tried to get them on camera no success.

The 2 volts bulbs is as bright as can be and the 6 volts 250 mili , is getting brighter everyday.

Mark 

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 22, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
@MK1

Sorry to but in with this question about your AG coils.

If you have one that has more then one winding of the 45 degree coils, let's say if you had 2 or more 45 degree windings, then just pulse one of them and collect from the others either in parallel or in series. Then put those in series with the outer horizontal coil and see what kind of output you get.

It is possible that a pulse on one winding, will not only impart to the others but the others will then re-impart some back to the pulsed winding since all of them are inter-crossing. There must be a few frequencies to find that will agree with such a scheme.

I would be very interested in learning the result of this.

Added:

Again about the AG coil, I have a funny feeling the ultimate result will eventually be found to be with two of these coils like the Hendershot.

The make of the coil dose show us some but we need to see how it works .

I don't think it works like the hendershot a mean the honeycomb coil , because of the orientation of the coil .

The field of the coil i make will act like a regular wire air coil of about the same radius .

The hendershot has the crossing field on a different axe altogether , but i do see why he would put transformer inside a coil .

I started to make a second and third coil , i will go Russian doll .

The bigger one dodecahedron 10 steps 5 turns per rotation .

Then 8 steps 4 turns/rotation octahedron . 

The last one 6 steps 3turns /rotation tetrahedron.

But thanks for the comment , Keep them coming.

Mark

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 22, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
@all
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: detrix42 on March 23, 2010, 02:39:51 AM
Hi everybody,

"the romanian" here, unfortunately having not time for any elaborate discuttion.
The template of Universe was decripted some months ago.
 The fundamental helix of transport (E.F.T.) build all flows of Superfluide Universe.
Nothing is planar motion, everything is in a helical geometry.
Any line, any planar geometry is an ilusion. An autoband move around TERRA and togeder move aroun SUN. Circular + another trajectory means helix.
All motions are helical. All planar imagines are proiective reality.
In a general relativity, all clusters flows in a helical geometry.(tetrahedral condensed matter)
See a magnetic line as a helical motion.
See a circle as intersection beetwen a plan and a helix.
See averything as a helix flow, no end and no begining.(as time, no limit back or front)

100 x (superstring+M+twistor + bundle fiber +...)theory= THE FUNDAMENTAL UNIVERSE PROJECT

You will hear in media, any country you are from!
Until then, see the site of the project:
www.thefundamentaluniverse.ro

Is much more than any dream of humanity,
Try to understand "the principle"(is public)and then aply it in different geometries.
You can understand from pictures, download 2 PDF from site (romanian language documents).
....ELSE YOU WILL SPEND TIME FOR NOTHING,....manytimes...

around 1968 Joseph Newman got his theory of the gyroscopic particle.  Some years later he had a friend/artist draw up the following diagram. If you can imagine the smallest particle EVER. something infinitely small. nothing smaller. Spinning on an axis at the speed of light, and traveling in a direction at the speed of light. Let this mechanically represent E = MC^2.  All matter, all energy is made of these gyroscopic particles. Even the fabric of space is made of these gyroscopic particles.  Which Joseph Newman speculated traveled in a direction in a helical. 

Sorry folks. I can see this clearly. Sorry to jump in like this.  Joseph Newman may be a crackpot (I don't think he is), but his theory is very sound.  I can see the fabric of space ,as the gyroscopic particles, in helical motion. The romanian put it quite as a matter of fact, and feel Newman should get some acknowledgement/credit.

detrix42
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 23, 2010, 09:58:22 AM
@detrix42

Nice drawing , i just wish we had the spin angle...

@all

Some  new pictures .

It needs some pickup coils now, putting one in the other gives more output , i tried it works...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on March 23, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
@Mk1

Wow many more coils to play with. lol

I would like to know in each of the three rings you made, do the 45 degree winds, consist of one wind, or are there several winds per coil.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on March 23, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
@Mk1

Wow many more coils to play with. lol

I would like to know in each of the three rings you made, do the 45 degree winds, consist of one wind, or are there several winds per coil.
Hi wattsup,
I think he made 2 pictures to show this.
The one called  first layer  shows just the one wire, then the next picture is of the same core but now it has the second wire . Each turn of the second wire is carefully placed in between each turn of the first.

jeanna
(MK1 please correct me if I am wrong about this!)
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: detrix42 on March 23, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
@detrix42

Nice drawing , i just wish we had the spin angle...

Mark

@Mark

I believe the spin is 90 degrees to the direction of travel. But this is only an calculated assumption.

detrix42
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Magluvin on March 23, 2010, 07:22:21 PM
Hey Mk
Was thinking. I know you have good jt experience. Have you seen the Gotoluc self running coil?
Was wondering if a jt could be made to the Luc coil mosfet, or even direct. The jt would have to be adjustable in the 35khz range. Do ya think it would work?   =]

Mags
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 23, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Hey Mk
Was thinking. I know you have good jt experience. Have you seen the Gotoluc self running coil?
Was wondering if a jt could be made to the Luc coil mosfet, or even direct. The jt would have to be adjustable in the 35khz range. Do ya think it would work?   =]

Mags

The thing that came to my mind when i did see Luc coil was that it happen to me 2 or 4 times , i attributed the effect to a faulty meter , but i have seen this on a jt , circuit resonance had to be the same has the toroid.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 23, 2010, 11:14:18 PM
@Mark

I believe the spin is 90 degrees to the direction of travel. But this is only an calculated assumption.

detrix42

That is where the traditional theory stops , but the fact is that if it really is at 90 degrees the field could not travel sideways at 90 angle it would stay stationary, but its more like a screw there has to be an angle .

Maybe the Free Mason 33 degree ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: vegasscorpion on March 24, 2010, 12:19:50 AM
This might be A BUT... W.D. Gann was a Free Mason who was heavily influenced by Pythagoras.  Gann fans for stock trading
8x1   82.50 degree angle
4x1   75.00
3x1   71.25
2x1   63.75
1x1   45.00
1x2   26.25
1x3   18.75
1x4   15.00
1x8   7.50

Maybe this will help or not

VegasScorpion
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 24, 2010, 07:32:29 AM
@all

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on March 24, 2010, 10:19:08 AM
Mark
You are a very intuitive fellow!
I believe you will have "plenty" to eat!
Thank you so much for letting us see into your  thoughts on this!
And for sharing all your hard work and beautiful coils!
[and the great movies]

Chet
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 24, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
Mark:

I agree 100% with Chet's above post.  You are doing great research here.

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 25, 2010, 03:49:43 AM
@Ramset and Pirate

Thanks guys !

@all

I just finish making my seventh video , in this video i make preliminarily test on my new born , the pickup coils on core 2 and 3 are not yet installed .

But you can see me lighting 3 bulb 2 x 2v 80 mili and 1 6 volts 250 mili.

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/a/u/0/myZrCurW0uE

Mark
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: stprue on March 25, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
Hello Mark

Great video, you are making some really great progress with your coils.  Is there an ideal distance between the coils when you add all 3 together inside one another?  I was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to try to make a 3 layer coil instead of 3 separate coils.  What do you think?  It may be worth the effort.  Anyways keep up the great work

~Stew
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on March 25, 2010, 06:58:39 PM
Mark,
This is really wonderful.

I have a question about what is powering the motor.
It is the secondary pickup of the big coil, but it seems to be a separate circuit from a separate battery.

Is it?

You are breaking all the walls around the box... again.
Great stuff.

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 25, 2010, 09:16:03 PM
Hello Mark

Great video, you are making some really great progress with your coils.  Is there an ideal distance between the coils when you add all 3 together inside one another?  I was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to try to make a 3 layer coil instead of 3 separate coils.  What do you think?  It may be worth the effort.  Anyways keep up the great work

~Stew

Actually i have found a new way to wind the coil without the cardboard, i will show it soon ...

Mark

Edit , i don't believe in a design built with more then one freq per core , the most you can put on is two phase ...

Like the tpu 3 freq Idea you need 3 core of that i am sure .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 25, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Mark,
This is really wonderful.

I have a question about what is powering the motor.
It is the secondary pickup of the big coil, but it seems to be a separate circuit from a separate battery.

Is it?

You are breaking all the walls around the box... again.
Great stuff.

jeanna

You got it , not connected to anything and running bulb and motors ...

I could run bulbs and led from the jt coil  ;)

That is why i made it into a movie.

Thanks again for your support.

Mark

edit i will ad comments ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on March 26, 2010, 04:46:32 AM
Yeh Yeh nice LED play, Rotor play, Spark play and Guitar play. I wonder if Tesla played an instrument. The DC Fiddle.

Is it not fun to play with those coils.

So everybody come and see what this guy made. The beginnings of the 6TPU.

The circular of the 6TPU and also could be a rectangular like the LTPU wall.

Now make 12 or more of these in rectangular standings vertical all in a circle and you have an LTPU. Cut out a piece of it and with some simple reconnection, you are off again.

It just remains to make it grow with gain.

The outer pick up wind wound be vertical on the exterior like we see in the LTPU video. The outer wind.

MK1, sorry to post this here but I just wanted to put it here because it is from here it came.

OK, here is what I think. If it works with thin wire, It will work more with thicker wire but in the same wind pattern. That could explain the weight of the LTPU.

Man oh man. Thanks.

wattsup
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 26, 2010, 10:34:15 AM
Actually i have found a new way to wind the A without the cardboard, i will show it soon ...

Mark

Edit , i don't believe in a design built with more then one freq per core , the most you can put on is two phase ...

Like the tpu 3 freq Idea you need 3 core of that i am sure .

Mark

Great posts mate!  I am having a few issues though and can't seem to replicate the output power you are demonstrating in your video's. 

I'm not sure if it comes down to number of winds, overall frequency, your circuit, input power or what but I have tried everything including every which npn/pnp configs, not withstanding facing North, wearing an Aluminium Pyramid hat whilst holding onto a copper water pipe!  :D :D  I did NOT get much radiant but I may have contacted Elvis from beyond!

OK, so all funnies aside, some queries.
1)  What's your input power?  (1.5 volt?)
2)  Are you doing something out of the ordinary with the circuit?  I have tried additional coils, darlingtons etc etc and whilst I am seeing the standard power/spikes/lamp lighting from the EC of transistor, I CANNOT light a lamp at the EC AND the SECONDARY coil without killing the EC lamp which means the freq might not be high enough.  Can you post your circuit?
3)  I have asked this before - is there a problem bringing the coils/winds closer together?  I assume this is part of the 'nuance' of the agentgates coil.
4)  You are rectifying the current from a collector coil before feeding it to the led right?  (Either way, my meter is picking up just about zero AC on any coil I drop inside the field!

Look forward to a reply.

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 26, 2010, 12:34:30 PM
Egoose

1)  What's your input power?  (1.5 volt?)  1.25 rechargeable 2440 mili

2)  Are you doing something out of the ordinary with the circuit?  I have tried additional coils, darlingtons etc etc and whilst I am seeing the standard power/spikes/lamp lighting from the EC of transistor, I CANNOT light a lamp at the EC AND the SECONDARY coil without killing the EC lamp which means the freq might not be high enough.  Can you post your circuit?

I don't use diodes or meter for that mater , a good transistor to test is 2n2222 and 2n3409 .

3)  I have asked this before - is there a problem bringing the coils/winds closer together?  I assume this is part of the 'nuance' of the agentgates coil.

I can't say for sure the on the spacing part , but you need many revolution and turns .

4)  You are rectifying the current from a collector coil before feeding it to the led right?  (Either way, my meter is picking up just about zero AC on any coil I drop inside the field!

Non no need to ...


I will need to see a picture ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 26, 2010, 12:40:40 PM
@Egoose

A picture please .

But recommendation time now .

First the tube paper only .

Second the pickup coil wire needs to be really fat(serious anything in the twenties is useless)  , my jt coil gauge is about 24 , i would get better result out of 22.

The more turns you can get away with the better , you will need 2 for the jt.


Mark

edit

Are you Aussie (the use of the word mate), because i am up north the winding direction may not be proper . ::) that would be funny .

The angle you used ? and make sure you try the coil both ways.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 26, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
Egoose

1)  What's your input power?  (1.5 volt?)  1.25 rechargeable 2440 mili

2)  Are you doing something out of the ordinary with the circuit?  I have tried additional coils, darlingtons etc etc and whilst I am seeing the standard power/spikes/lamp lighting from the EC of A, I CANNOT light a lamp at the EC AND the SECONDARY coil without killing the EC lamp which means the freq might not be high enough.  Can you post your circuit?

I don't use diodes or meter for that mater , a good transistor to test is 2n2222 and 2n3409 .

3)  I have asked this before - is there a problem bringing the coils/winds closer together?  I assume this is part of the 'nuance' of the agentgates coil.

I can't say for sure the on the spacing part , but you need many revolution and turns .

4)  You are rectifying the current from a collector coil before feeding it to the led right?  (Either way, my meter is picking up just about zero AC on any coil I drop inside the field!

Non no need to ...


I will need to see a picture ...

Thanks for the reply Mark, youre a lovely fella.

I assume that although you have posted a schematic of a standard JT, where it has 'hand wound toroid', you are using the agentgates coil yes?

This being the case, I think I have been too slack with my turns then and require MORE revoloutions around the former.  The only other thing I could think of was that I am using a VERY thin plastic former and not cardboard.  I didnt think this would be a problem considering that thicker PVC pipe has been used as standard for Tesla coils forever and a day and nobody ever complains about it blocking radiant.  No former would be even better!

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 26, 2010, 12:54:07 PM
Thanks for the reply Mark, youre a lovely fella.

I assume that although you have posted a schematic of a standard JT, where it has 'hand wound toroid', you are using the agentgates coil yes?

This being the case, I think I have been too slack with my turns then and require MORE revoloutions around the former.  The only other thing I could think of was that I am using a VERY thin plastic former and not cardboard.  I didnt think this would be a problem considering that thicker PVC pipe has been used as standard for Tesla coils forever and a day and nobody ever complains about it blocking radiant.  No former would be even better!

E-Goose

No one had success with PVC , find any card board around the house the size of it it not show any difference in results .

Yes same Ag coil i have been showing and the circuit modification is a 1 k pot to replace the resistor .

I can't guarantee all bulbs will light , i am up to 6 volt 250 mili now .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 26, 2010, 12:58:31 PM
@Egoose

A picture please .

But recommendation time now .

First the tube paper only .

Second the pickup A wire needs to be really fat(serious anything in the twenties is useless)  , my jt coil gauge is about 24 , i would get better result out of 22.

The more turns you can get away with the better , you will need 2 for the jt.


Mark

edit

Are you Aussie (the use of the word mate), because i am up north the winding direction may not be proper . ::) that would be funny .

The angle you used ? and make sure you try the coil both ways.

Mark

Oh, you beat me to the punch with some queries, especially on the former material.  Yes perhaps my plastic IS the problem afterall!!!  >:(   Funny to think that something as small as that could kill performance, which makes me think there is something to all that 'orgone' matrix matching in the end!

Yes, I was only using 15 AWG as secondary pickup coil on the outside (5 turns or so) and 19AWG as the primary.  I think the former was roughly 90mm diameter by 80mm high which probably made the angle quite rakish.  5mm spacings between bifilar winds (not enough turns I suspect).

I dont have a digi camera at the mo so cant post a pic sorry.

Yes, I am Aussie!

Cheers mate!

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 26, 2010, 01:10:31 PM
No one had success with PVC , find any card board A the size of it it not show any difference in results .

Yes same Ag coil i have been showing and the circuit modification is a 1 k pot to replace the resistor .

I can't guarantee all bulbs will light , i am up to 6 volt 250 mili now .

Mark

Mark

Yes, I was fairly certain my circuit wasnt the issue but wanted to be sure.  I always use trimpots anyway to 'tune in' and get the best consumption/power-out ratio.

Thanks for the clarification.  Now to find some cardboard rolls.  I need to start hoarding more, I throw away too much stuff  ;D

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 26, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
@Egoose

A picture please .

But recommendation time now .

First the tube paper only .

Second the pickup A wire needs to be really fat(serious anything in the twenties is useless)  , my jt coil gauge is about 24 , i would get better result out of 22.

The more turns you can get away with the better , you will need 2 for the jt.


Mark

edit

Are you Aussie (the use of the word mate), because i am up north the winding direction may not be proper . ::) that would be funny .

The angle you used ? and make sure you try the coil both ways.

Mark

Winding direction?  Is this an American joke where I need to check which direction my toilet is flowing before winding my coil for maximum performance?  LOL

Yes, I did flip the leads around a little and there was a SLIGHT variation in performance, not much though.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 27, 2010, 09:36:52 AM
@egoose

I hope it is a joke , but a Canadian one  ;D

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 27, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
@all

I have found this interesting ...

Ayrton-Perry winding - type of bifilar winding made of two parts wound in opposing
directions and connected in parallel.

1. Advantages

Such winding allows making wire resistors with the lowest values of
 parasitic inductance and parasitic capacitance. [1]

2. Drawbacks

Because the two parts of resistive wire are connected in
 parallel, the total resistance is half of the value
 of resistors made in common technology (with the same dimensions).

3. Use

Resistors with Ayrton-Perry winding are used in high-frequency electronic
circuits, in which parasitic
effects would have non-permissible effects on the circuit performance.

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 27, 2010, 10:51:46 PM
@all

Have a look at this , a honeycomb coil usually 3 wires , perfect for 3 freq.

They where used in tube radio , i wonder if they ever used it in tv sets.

The over all size of it is quite reveling and i know what that geometry dose .

The next step will be to make one of those with the secondary inside to honeycomb coil .

My jig is ready , i just nee to find the wire...

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: stprue on March 27, 2010, 11:19:36 PM
Beautiful coil design but way to complicated for hehe..... ;D
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 27, 2010, 11:26:15 PM
Beautiful coil design but way to complicated for hehe..... ;D

Maybe , but i got tired of playing with leds an cfl , we need real power .

I takes the same juice the Slayer coil takes , don't get confused by the cell phone charger .

You see they cross at 90 degrees , tilting the wire at 45 , make the work the way we always seen it work .

 

I need grunt , to power household appliances .

The nature is the same on many levels , the truth is about double helix .

That is why my coil works so well , it has direct magnetic coupling , but no direct on so you cant load the source , this is why it works so great.

Mark 

Edit . now why do like the double helix so much ?

Because it make a perfect coil .

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 27, 2010, 11:40:35 PM
Maybe , but i got tired of playing with leds an cfl , we need real power .

I takes the same juice the Slayer A takes , don't get confused by the cell phone charger .

You see they cross at 90 degrees , tilting the wire at 45 , make the work the way we always we think it dose .

 

I need grunt , to power household appliances .

The nature is the same on many levels , the truth is about double helix .

That is why my coil works so well , it has direct magnetic coupling , but no direct on so you cant load the source , this is why it works so great.

Mark 

Edit . now why do like the double helix so much ?

Because it make a perfect coil .

Mark

Yah, I have seen those honeycomb coils before and the chopstick jigs you use to wind them.  I'm just wondering if all that crossing over at right angles will have the same 'cancelling' effect as your first coil though before you began winding parallel?

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 27, 2010, 11:49:20 PM
@egoose

We don't see it because the core is in the way but the coil cross in both of my types of coil.

I will make a drawing of what i mean for perfect coil.

Also i made some test with pvc , besides to fact that it works really badly
when comes time to wind it , because the cardboard hold the wire better.

But i am not sure this is why you had issue with yours , but i can say that if i use only 18 turns primaries , the output light leds only at 36 the bulb start working. 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 28, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
@egoose

We don't see it because the core is in the way but the A cross in both of my types of coil.

I will make a drawing of what i mean for perfect coil.

Also i made some test with pvc , besides to fact that it works really badly
when comes time to wind it , because the cardboard hold the wire better.

But i am not sure this is why you had issue with yours , but i can say that if i use only 18 turns primaries , the output light leds only at 36 the bulb start working.

Champion!  Looks like some rewinding is in order then *sigh.  I still havent found some big tube dang it.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 28, 2010, 12:10:03 AM
Champion!  Looks like some rewinding is in order then *sigh.  I still havent found some big tube dang it.

E-Goose

Don't you have comet cleaner ,or duck tape .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on March 28, 2010, 12:22:59 AM
Don't you have comet cleaner ,or duck A .

You crazy Northeners  ;D comet cleaner??! (scratches head) LOL.  Yes I have duct tape but it has too much duck (tape) left on it heee hee.  I started saving some other cores but they are smaller in diameter.  Now plastic I have PLENTY of!  Typical eh!
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 29, 2010, 07:51:42 AM
@all

I will begin to illustrate the idea i have , first some symbols exorcised , double fish , double serpent ...

Yes i know i am nuts ...

But this is the best way to explain the way the AG coil works ...

There will be other drawing .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 29, 2010, 07:59:22 AM
Mark:

I always thought it was interesting that the symbol used for the medical profession, borrowed from ancient drawings, turns out to be exactly like the DNA strand.  Seems like someone knew this a long time ago.

I believe that when primitive man saw something advanced, he just drew what he saw relating to the things he knew at the time.  So, if an advanced civilization was here a long time ago, the primitive inhabitants of the earth at that time would attempt to draw certain things they saw.  I have seen cave drawings thousands of years old that show a perfect sine wave, and square wave, almost like someone saw an O'scope and tried to draw what they had observed.

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 29, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
@all

Second drawing .

@pirate

yep old stuff , before the pyramid .

DNA or electrical vortex ...

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 29, 2010, 11:14:53 AM
@all

This is i calculated my next generation coil , that way i get rid of the cardboard , and have a reusable tool to make more.

Not only that but also permit the wind one jt coil then put the secondary around , the wind the second jt coil over it .

This will make the perfect coil secondary inside the jt coil plus the possibility of making many rows of them ...

For those that say those coil are hard to make , a little time some preparation and you can't screw that one.

Mark 

Pvc pipe small nail , template needs to be oversize by the wire spacing ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Erik_ on March 30, 2010, 01:08:16 PM
Hello,

You are doing very interesting stuff and make nice coils!!

One thing came to my mind, have you thought about making a coil on a tube that goes round instead of a flat object that goes round?
Or does that not make any sense? :)

Keep up the good work!!!
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 30, 2010, 02:21:27 PM
Hello,

You are doing very interesting stuff and make nice coils!!

One thing came to my mind, have you thought about making a coil on a tube that goes round instead of a flat object that goes round?
Or does that not make any sense? :)

Keep up the good work!!!

I had some thought about it , it makes sense and should work ...

Thank for the comment , Welcome to Ou and my thread.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 30, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
Maxwell's theory of electromagnetic radiation.

He ignored his previous model for ether and concentrated on the propagation of electromagnetic waves through space. He developed equations to describe the electromagnetic field, which showed that light is propagated in two waves, electric and magnetic, which vibrate perpendicular to each other and to the direction in which they are moving (see figure 5.3.1)






http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Projects/Johnson/Chapters/Ch4_4.html
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: desa on March 30, 2010, 03:37:32 PM
MK1 I finished reading this tread from the start and love your work. I am waiting to see your new coil setup to start replicating. One thing the 2SA2037 DC / DC Converter, where in the circuit do you use it. I am not clear on schematic setup so any help is appreciated.
David
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 30, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
MK1 I finished reading this tread from the start and love your work. I am waiting to see your new coil setup to start replicating. One thing the 2SA2037 DC / DC Converter, where in the circuit do you use it. I am not clear on schematic setup so any help is appreciated.
David

Ok the pair of transistor that comes for a printer are a pair NPN PNP , in the last video i just made two regular Joule thief circuit connected the same way then you will see that one is not working .On that one you need to turn the battery leads (connect + to - and - to + ).

Welcome to OU and to this thread , i look forward to see pictures and data for your replication !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Erik_ on March 30, 2010, 03:58:58 PM
Just to check, you are familiar with Nassim Haramein's studies (Crossing the Event Horizon - The Search for the Fundamental Pattern for example)? He has a interesting view on all these dynamics.

I also think all this looks like Ed Leedskalnin's work, his book Magnetic Currents explanes the basic's of what you are doing.

Greetings, Erik
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 30, 2010, 04:35:15 PM
Just to check, you are familiar with Nassim Haramein's studies (Crossing the Event Horizon - The Search for the Fundamental Pattern for example)? He has a interesting view on all these dynamics.

I also think all this looks like Ed Leedskalnin's work, his book Magnetic Currents explanes the basic's of what you are doing.

Greetings, Erik


Yep !

I made most experiment in the Magnetic Current book , and it get enlighten by Nassim Haramein's studies ...

You got me  :-[ :)

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Erik_ on March 30, 2010, 05:12:29 PM
Looks like you only take half out from whats in it, by using only a horizontal pickup coil. have you tryed adding a 2nd vertical pickup coil?

I guess you can hook than both pickup coils in serie. Reverse polarity 2nd coil of course.


Edit: could it be possible maybe to destabilize the magnetic flow by loading first from the horizontal coil and than loading the vertical coil (alternating the current between the output coils)? If so you might maybe to cut more the flux field.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on March 30, 2010, 11:02:44 PM
@Mk1

Can I ask you to try one thing with your three coil set-up. Pulse as you usually do but this time, find a tube made of air duct metal or a tin can and place it inside the smallest coil. Even a plastic tube that is thick enough may do the effect. This may push the natural tendency of the field to stay out of the center and more in the coil area where things can happen. Something like magnetic refraction.

If you look inside of Hendershots coils (included below), it seems there is a metallic former inside each one.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on March 31, 2010, 01:30:42 AM
@Mk1

Can I ask you to try one thing with your three coil set-up. Pulse as you usually do but this time, find a tube made of air duct metal or a tin can and place it inside the smallest coil. Even a plastic tube that is thick enough may do the effect. This may push the natural tendency of the field to stay out of the center and more in the coil area where things can happen. Something like magnetic refraction.

If you look inside of Hendershots coils (included below), it seems there is a metallic former inside each one.

Hi , i am not sure it would work i will try the can , and also what i will try
a transformer in the center to see coupling between the coil and transformer , i will use the transformer as the jt check the out of the coil then do the opposite .

I studied the Hendershot motor i while back to me its more an issue of twin thank circuit vs vibration of the bridge , the 1/5 transformer he used in the middle of the capacitor would be more efficient then outside. With my coil the effect will be different because of the absence aluminum isolation .
I took a tube covered it with foil and inserted it in the middle of the coil and it stopped it dead .

I also have some good book on it , even the Australian one .

I can get those up if anyone is interested .

Also my(AG) coil is quite different then the Hendershot because of the pancake design it as a larger capacitance .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 01, 2010, 05:01:12 AM
@wattsup

More info ...

http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/PancakeCoils.htm

http://www.pa2mrx.nl/UK/coil%20homebrewing_uk.htm

And one nice movie from morpher44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfe0zGQ2aNg&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on April 02, 2010, 02:51:18 AM
Mark
Know I understand your winding jig!
I like "nothing in the middle"[ no tube].
very clever and intriguing!
Morpher makes some good movies also.
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 02, 2010, 05:08:35 AM
@ramset

Mine will be on the other axe , there are 3 types honeycomb ,basket and spiderweb.

My jig is for the honeycomb type , and the best to replicate my coil.

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on April 02, 2010, 05:42:20 AM
Mark,
That jig looks perfect!

Good job!

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on April 02, 2010, 01:11:08 PM
Buddy,
You must have some amazing things going on in your mind  :).

I can't "see"[or imagine] the jig for that beautiful 9 point star/sun coil.

Chet
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 04, 2010, 02:29:29 AM
@Jeanna and Chet

Sorry i did not mean that , those last coil aren't mine .

I am waiting on a press drill to finish mine ...

@all

I made some modification on my dual jt , so that the base coil from one jt is on the same core as the second jt collector coil.

I really wish i had a scope  >:(

Also i have found that i could pickup some juice in the loop made by the battery leads .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on April 04, 2010, 04:45:19 AM
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Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 04, 2010, 06:33:25 AM
@all

I made more test on my coil , and have many things to say , first i can charge a .047 farad cap from a vcr timer in under one second it reaches almost 6 volts .

Also the bigger core seen in the last video gives dc readings now , not much but .074 volts DC and also 4.6 volts AC...

And that is without diodes and the core is not connected to anything .


Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on April 04, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
Hi Mark,
I'll certainly try yours shape coils on my double JT. Now I'm tuneing my scrap from salvage. After this I'll go to wind coils.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on April 05, 2010, 05:41:20 AM
@Jeanna and A

Sorry i did not mean that , those last coil aren't mine .

I am waiting on a press drill to finish mine ...

@all

I made some modification on my dual jt , so that the base coil from one jt is on the same core as the second jt collector coil.

I really wish i had a scope  >:(

Also i have found that i could pickup some juice in the loop made by the battery leads .

Mark

I assume that those rectangular items on ur schematic are a rendition of variable resistors (trimpots) running into the base of each transistor?

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 05:56:23 AM
@Egoose

Yes you are right , sorry i did not notice that i load the wrong picture .

Right now i use 1k pots , but with those merged circuit the resistance value really need to be reevaluated .

To charge a super cap .047 farad 5.5 volts without going over 5.5 v is almost impossible , the meter can't read fast enough .

Now that circuit got me thinking about making a third one powered by the output from both circuit .

Both coil work great side by side but the output is greater when one inside the other.

Mark


 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on April 05, 2010, 06:19:44 AM
@Egoose

Yes you are right , sorry i did not notice that i load the wrong picture .

Right now i use 1k A , but with those merged circuit the resistance value really need to be reevaluated .

To charge a super cap .047 farad 5.5 volts without going over 5.5 v is almost impossible , the meter can't read fast enough .

Now that circuit got me thinking about making a third one powered by the output from both circuit .

Both coil work great side by side but the output is greater when one inside the other.

Mark

No worries Mark, thanks for clarification.

Yes, if you are looking to 'close the loop' you will have to watch the tolerances of the caps otherwise a few might blow up!

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on April 05, 2010, 06:23:20 AM
Mark

Did you try the new coil jig and ascertain whether the effect/output is the same as winding 'circular' on a cardboard form?  I'm just wondering whether that very minor difference will effect performance.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Mark

Did you try the new coil jig and ascertain whether the effect/output is the same as winding 'circular' on a cardboard form?  I'm just wondering whether that very minor difference will effect performance.

E-Goose


I did not like my first jig , i will have access to a press drill today and can't wait to make a new coil , i will have more detail later today ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 07:40:01 PM
@all

Pictures of the new Jig ...i need more nails !

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on April 05, 2010, 08:19:24 PM
Wow Mark,
This is a nice job and very promising.
I need a drill press to make one of those as well.

Did you try that in cardboard?
I am assuming you have and the pressures got too big for the cardboard.

My other question is about how many layers you will be making.
You only need 2 on the cardboard design. Or, really only one layer but with 2 wires.
Is that single layer  part of the design the same for now?

thank you,

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
Wow Mark,
This is a nice job and very promising.
I need a drill press to make one of those as well.

Did you try that in cardboard?
I am assuming you have and the pressures got too big for the cardboard.

My other question is about how many layers you will be making.
You only need 2 on the cardboard design. Or, really only one layer but with 2 wires.
Is that single layer  part of the design the same for now?

thank you,

jeanna

First the picture , the big one is the one i used , its 47 pegs 15 layers 3 turns , i needed it to be at least 3 cm tall .

What i plan on doing to make one then take the nails off turn the coil a bit put the nails back and put the second layer , then the secondary then 2 more layers winding the 2 new coil in the hole left by the nails .

I could also go one layer/pickup coil/second layer/pickup coil/first layer/ pickup coil /second layer , nicely wound together .

God knows i will see.

Also i new thing came to my mind the layer can go in the same direction the coil dose or not (smaller drawings)

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 09:52:13 PM
@all
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 11:21:02 PM
@all
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 05, 2010, 11:59:39 PM
@all

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 06, 2010, 11:16:55 PM
@all

Some things to report , it takes 192 inch of wire per layers.

I had to do it like 3 or 4 times to get it wright , markers should be placed to show the right nail for the first revolution, if you mess up you only know at the end ... After that its real easy you just need to keep good tension on the wire , it can be done under 10 minutes per layers.

The wire is 24 gauge , i did not notice when i bought it but it sliver colored , copper in the middle , i hope this will not mess it up .

I wonder what it is ...

Mark

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 08, 2010, 01:03:44 AM
@all

Here is a video , that shows what i am talking about ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO3dXCsyBC4

Also i just got 3 meters of 8 gauge wire , i cant wait to test it.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2010, 03:25:20 AM
Now thats a nice movie!

Gave me goose bumps to "see" what you have been saying about the
Shape!

Very cool to be able to see it!

Thanks
Chet
PS
you need a scope!!
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 09, 2010, 06:05:43 PM
@all

Here are some pictures of the next gen of my coils ...

Now i need to do this one more time .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: stprue on April 09, 2010, 07:04:28 PM
Nice job Mark, I cant wait to see what that thing can do!

  ;D
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: quartz on April 09, 2010, 11:05:01 PM
Hey everyone,

I think your study in a serious connection with this thread (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1939.0)

best regard

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 05:30:13 AM
@all

I am almost there !

Two more wire to go !

I followed the same steps from last page , i forgot to mention to put double sided tape between layers...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 10, 2010, 06:58:29 AM
Mark:

That is beautiful and symmetrical.  I too can't wait to see the results.  Very excellent winding jig you developed there.


Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tagor on April 10, 2010, 08:37:53 AM
Hey everyone,

I think your study in a serious connection with this thread (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1939.0)

best regard

the link
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1939.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1939.0)
 
PS:
quartz , le lien n'est pas visible

Quote
Il m'a dit une chose, il a produit plusieurs maquettes de sa machine et pour le moment aucune ne résiste bien longtemps, elle grille assez rapidement car elle s'emballe.
Je lui est demandé si il ne voulais pas enseigner ces connaissances, ou bien diffuser son concept,
mais il m'a répondu que selon lui la planète n'était pas prête !!!
De plus il m'a dit aussi avoir pris contact avec des industriels Allemand, pour mettre au point se brevet CI
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO9725763&F=0
mais que cela c'était mal passé, et puis il à un peu peur pour sa sécurité aussi lui.

En bref on est dans le caca jusque là !!
D'un coté il y a les glands comme moi qui bosse comme des bêtes sans connaissance et sans finances, donc sans résultats.
De l'autre il y a des gens qui savent et ne dises rien (ou si peu).
Je vous cache pas que ça énerve un poil !!

mk1 , can you translate it ?
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 07:05:56 PM
@Tagor and quartz

Yep i could translate it , but there is nothing worth doing so ...

I will look into the the documents . Thanks ... Btw there is a translation option in espacenet

@all

Ok guys i did some experiment with the unfinished coil .

First off i am not sure about the results , first the 6 volt 250 miliamp light bulb barely glowed (not good) but the motor runs why faster and stronger the 470mf stays charged at around 6.5 volts (usually i get 3 volts).
The sparks i use to get from the pickup coil is gone ...

So i get some mixed feeling about it . However i did not yet remove the pvc pipe , the last 2 coils are not on . And the battery is getting low .

I will check those issues , also the jt coils are made from sliver covered copper ( not sure how god it really is ) and was sold as 24 awg but looks like 26 (not good) since the pickup coil is 8 gauge i may need bigger wire on the jt side .

And i can still get 3 leds to light from the satellite coil in the middle of the battery leads ( this seems to show resonance ) it filled a mini super cap in fractions of seconds . That is the circuit with 2 jt one on the npn and one pnp , then take the base coil from one jt core and use it for the second one .

I am not sure how it functions but it seems to be able to minimize induction loses , and bring the both circuit to resonance , the battery leads act like a single turn pulsed coil , not that got me thinking could we rectify those and connect it to a battery or a cap , even more maybe some type of diode and caps system to feed back to source , since the energy seems there already ...

Mark 

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 09:10:01 PM
@all

While charging the batteries , i did test with other dead ones , and got about 19 volts from on pickup coil the inner one , and about 14 from the other (taken with 2n4007 bridge).

I can run a motor form on and a bulb from the other , it seems i should put a new pickup coil with smaller gauge to raise the voltage a bit ...

I connected it with swapped core base coil . I also tested the battery leads i extended it with an alligator clip , and got brighter leds out of the satellite coil .

I can't wait to see what a fresh battery will do , i will hold finishing it for a bit , to see if i should add a new pickup coil ... And i cat wait to remove the pvc pipe.

Mark

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 09:25:40 PM
@all

I made a quick test to see what was more efficient at picking up the power from the battery leads the satellite coil Vs 1000 feet of 30 gauge magwire , so 15 to 20 feet vs 1000 ...

I got no light from the 1000 feet , and 3 leds bright from the satellite coil ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 10:14:59 PM
@all

Test with fresh battery , the 2 volts 250 mili and 6 v 250 mili bulb are working bright...

I can finish the build !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 10, 2010, 10:31:01 PM
@all

All those bulb i can light pretty bright , except the .8 amp one ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 11, 2010, 12:58:32 AM
@all

I connected both pickup coil in series and then connected it directly to the meter , i got different readings on all voltage scale except the micro volts dc .

One the micro volts the screen is blinking , i get .75 volt dc to 75 volts dc and 1.2 volts Ac to 15 ac volts .

Lets just say the meter is useless ...

Mark

Edit i test the pickups with a bridge got 35 volts , amp on a 1k resistor .10 A

Btw resistor or not i get .1 A .

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on April 11, 2010, 01:38:46 AM
@Mk1

How high can you go in pulse frequency?
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 11, 2010, 02:48:15 AM
@Mk1

How high can you go in pulse frequency?

Unfortunately i have no means of knowing , no scope or meter worth shit , sorry  :-[.


@all

I will have new movies soon , small one but still real interesting ... 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on April 11, 2010, 04:44:48 AM
@all

I am almost there !

Two more wire to go !

I followed the same steps from last page , i forgot to mention to put double sided tape between layers...

Mark

Nice job Mark!

My jig is a little bit different.  You go crosseyed with this Rodin type winding after awhile trying to keep track of all the layers  :o

From your pic it seems you have too many leads?  Are you still winding a bifilar coil like the original (missing every second peg for the 2nd bifilar wire?  I ask because I thought somewhere along the way you stopped doing that and you were only winding one wire 'per side' of the pickup coil?

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 11, 2010, 04:55:03 AM
Nice job Mark!

My jig is a little bit different.  You go crosseyed with this Rodin type winding after awhile trying to keep track of all the layers  :o

From your pic it seems you have too many leads?  Are you still winding a bifilar coil like the original (missing every second peg for the 2nd bifilar wire?  I ask because I thought somewhere along the way you stopped doing that and you were only winding one wire 'per side' of the pickup coil?

E-Goose

Hi !

I made it a dual jt , 2 wire per jt .

So i have four leads , you make one with an NPN and one with a PNP then switch the base coils .

Actually i made the first row then removed the nails , twisted the coil a bit then put the nail back in the make the second row , did it twice.
The nail are to big to put enough windings .


However it dose work on the tube  ??? , i can't compare to without it yet .

The next 2 wires will be around the whole thing , but before i need to test a different pickup coil.

The last 2 coil may be used for battery leads ...

Mark

Ps look at page 9
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on April 11, 2010, 06:32:09 AM
Hi !

I made it a dual jt , 2 wire per jt .

So i have four A , you make one with an NPN and one with a PNP then switch the base coils .

Actually i made the first row then removed the nails , twisted the coil a bit then put the nail back in the make the second row , did it twice.
The nail are to big to put enough windings .


However it dose work on the tube  ??? , i can't compare to without it yet .

The next 2 wires will be around the whole thing , but before i need to test a different pickup coil.

The last 2 coil may be used for battery leads ...

Mark

Ps look at page 9

Mark

Not 100% sure what you mean about the whole "removing nails to twist coil and 'second row'".  I think I am confused as to what you are terming as 'rows'.  I THINK I know what you mean.  Sounds laborious though if you are doing what I suppose you are.

Thanks for the reply.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 11, 2010, 07:01:15 AM
Mark

Not 100% sure what you mean about the whole "removing nails to twist coil and 'second row'".  I think I am confused as to what you are terming as 'rows'.  I THINK I know what you mean.  Sounds laborious though if you are doing what I suppose you are.

Thanks for the reply.

E-Goose

Yep laborious  :D

I do remove the nails and move the coil to the side 1 or 2 degrees to put a second coil . I could not put enough nails in the PVC pipe to make me happy.

I will make a new one as soon as i find the right nails , the spacing is about 4 mm now , it will be 2mm .

@all

I made 3 movies and edited them into one , no audio ...

First compass test , second i will show you what i mean by battery lead power , and last i will charge the .047 farad 5.5 volts cap(it is a bit slow compered to other test i made before)

NEW MOVIE  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsz2Kd4R7o
Enjoy !

Mark


Edit i forgot the crazy meter video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2r5npBpWpg
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 11, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
@all

Yes another one , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfT83_X2B1M

The pvc pipe keep the magnetic field out of the center of the coil , i can't wait to finish the coil to test without it , Also the compass seems to show a rotating field ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 12, 2010, 01:34:53 AM
@all

I really nice way to make fero fluid

http://www.instructables.com/id/New-way-of-making-a-ferrofluid.-Cost-only-1.00$!/
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 12, 2010, 01:50:50 AM
@all

I got a great idea from this video !

Fero fluids are great but not super fluid , but oil and water don't mix , see how that magnetic mass is free in water ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-79zcnFfrk

Mark

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 12, 2010, 05:31:07 AM
@all

I made a discovery , Stepan asked me once if i could light bulb with two secondary , i don't remember if he wanted with a second bulb at the other ends or open .

So here are the results .

First i can only light them in a closed ends way , when the coil wound in opposite direction clockwise and ccw i can light bulbs at both ends , wound in the same direction i can't ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 12, 2010, 10:04:36 PM
@all

I made some test last night on pickup coil configuration , to do so i removed the outer perimeter 8 gauge pickup coil (40v rectified dc at best ) and put on 3 layers of 16 gauge and got 155 volts  with up and down winding and directional .

Now 155 volt is better but it barely lights a 250 mili bulb only the 80 mili glows real bright ...

The 5 turn 8 gauge 40 v out perform the 155 its not even funny .

I am planing a new jig , more holes , to be able to make it exactly like the prototype and also easier to make ,

I also pick up some wire Primary wire (automotive part ...) 10 gauge at 50 cent the foot , 8 gauge is one buck per feet.

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 22, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
@all

I managed to get some drill press time today to make a new jig , i doubled the nails to be able to make the 2 layer at a time , there are 188 holes and nails , it took a little longer but its worth it !

I tried to remove the coil i made from the pipe , i forgot the tape one layer of the coil and it got broken , there was a dent in the tube preventing it from sliding off easy . It still managed to make a working prototype a nice one too !

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 22, 2010, 11:09:41 AM
Mark:

That is a work of art.

Beautiful.

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ramset on April 22, 2010, 01:37:10 PM
Mark

You definitely are heading in a specific direction quite fervently!

I hope this beautiful maze you are making "taunts" the little beast enough to show its face!

Chet
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2010, 06:46:18 AM
mark

i have a question for you ...   why does the tesla cone work so well with a tesla bifillar pancake ? 
infact 2 cones ..  1 pancake ..  points faceing in ...  lol
hummmmmm... 

corse i know the answer ....

think it has something to do with current ? / saclar ?/ gravity?

perhaps the cone is placed in the RMF...  so basically if you got the eather spinning then synced your push pulses .. you could accelerate it ..  stop pulseing it and harvest from the tornatos 

hummmm

i can do this .. but first you must understand my SIMPLE KICK ...  hence why i EXPRESSED  it so freely ...
next you must understand OPEN END orbit engery ...   then you MUST DESIGN  a unit WITH FULL COMPREHENCTION  of both THE SIMPLE KICK AND THE SIMPLE ORBIT ...  then HALL EFFECT  the darn thing ... 

so what ever your doing ....

IST!

just 1 more question .. why does a tesla coil spit such extream voltage .. but low amprage ..   
but if the secondary were a cone of the same wire in the proper location ...    could you not tap both ... ?
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 26, 2010, 06:09:18 AM
@all

I did not have a chance to work on my project lately , but everything is on the up side , new picture of coil on the new Jig , the card board donuts is under it but this time it louse for easy removal from the tube.

I used scotch tape and double side tape between layers .

This is more like i imagined it at first

Mark
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 26, 2010, 12:55:44 PM
@all

Two more pictures of the construction .

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 26, 2010, 02:19:18 PM
@all

I made a video of the two fields i was talking about .

http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/a/u/0/OIwSgDOEmCw

This is with direct DC.

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on April 29, 2010, 01:39:40 AM
@All

CONFIRMATION !!!! on a solenoid type coil direct magnetic coupling is a 45 degree !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjN2E556gSg

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 03, 2010, 11:45:48 PM
@all

I did not have much time lately i can't wait to finish this one ...

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Magluvin on May 04, 2010, 12:30:59 AM
Very nice work MK
This whole page is some next level shizzle my nizzle.  =]

Are you pulling the pins after its finished?

Mags
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 04, 2010, 07:35:08 AM
@Mag

Hi , yes i will remove them and most likely wind 2 more coil trough the empty space left by the nails , but i have yet to decide the coil angle and design .

I could go the regular way it maybe good for a feed back since it to won't couple directly , or  the same angle as the coil , or even Rodin but i have to see it there is a way to fit it on 94 pegs .

I used almost all the wire form a mot the big one , so one bifilar is 16 revolution 94 ups and downs per coil of 16 turns , there are 4 like that with 18 turns of fat wire in between each, so time 4...

Mark 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 05, 2010, 05:23:43 AM
@all

Its now off of the tube this thing is over one pound quite heavy.

2 more wires to seal the deal.

Mark

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: kooler on May 05, 2010, 05:59:26 AM
mk1
dude you done lost me..  that is alot of wire.. i'm hoping to hear good results..
looks good
are you going to run each layer different or all with the same feq
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2010, 06:25:16 AM
kooler:

What a great question to open up yet another series of possible variables.  I can't get my brain around running the different wires at different freqs but, what if you could do that?  Who knows where this might lead?  What if you put ALL of them at resonance at the same time???

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 05, 2010, 10:30:47 AM
@all

I am almost done one wire left to put on , but one of the pickup coil wire broke off so i will have to re do the last coil i put on  >:(...

@kooler pirate

Yes there will be more possibility since there is no magnetic material it will be possible to up to 5 jt running at the same time or only one .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: stprue on May 05, 2010, 02:53:38 PM
Great job Mark, that coil/s looks amazing!!!

You may get OU but nobody will be able to replicate your coil.....lol

 :D
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 06, 2010, 02:47:17 AM
@all

I am almost done one wire left to put on , but one of the pickup A wire broke off so i will have to re do the last A i put on  >:(...

@kooler pirate

Yes there will be more possibility since there is no magnetic material it will be possible to up to 5 jt running at the same time or only one .

Nice job Mk!  Hope you can salvage all that copper  ;D because although these coils are extremely efficient, there is no OU unfortunately.

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: kooler on May 06, 2010, 05:38:36 AM
Nice job Mk!  Hope you can salvage all that copper  ;D because although these coils are extremely efficient, there is no OU unfortunately.

E-Goose
the ou would be just a plus.. this is really ART
i would like to have a high res pic of it to use as a desktop wallpaper..
the attention of detail is what i like

robbie
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2010, 05:43:31 AM
the ou would be just a plus.. this is really ART
i would like to have a high res pic of it to use as a desktop wallpaper..
the attention of detail is what i like

robbie

I agree with you 100%.  Also, since this has not been done before as far as I know, I would not be so sure to claim "no OU" just yet as has been posted above by someone else.  Mark is venturing into uncharted waters as far as I can know.  I commend his efforts.  As you said, if nothing else, it is a beautiful piece of art.

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 06, 2010, 06:06:10 AM
@kooler and pirate

I may get you some screen saver quality picture soon  :D

@E-Goose

Its not a necessary end game for me over unity , to me its more a over use of what i have .

I am how ever interested in your result , would you be kind enough to bring some substance to the claim , numbers maybe photos , and process used to determine the results .

I never constructed anything that was not totally recyclable .

I started with one bulb i could light , now i got 5 it lights a 4v 500 mili bulb , and i can run my bendini fan motor/generator from a 1.2 volts instead of 9-12 volts.

I really don't consider it wasted time , i believe making small steps learning all the way , i do see constant progress.

More detail Please !!!

Kind regard

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: kooler on May 06, 2010, 06:13:54 AM
@kooler and pirate

I may get you some screen saver quality picture soon  :D


kool.. i'll take mine in a 1920 X 1200 res
when you get time..   :D

robbie
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 06, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
@kooler and pirate

I may get you some screen saver quality picture soon  :D

@E-Goose

Its not a necessary end game for me over unity , to me its more a over use of what i have .

I am how ever interested in your result , would you be kind enough to bring some substance to the claim , numbers maybe photos , and process used to determine the results .

I never constructed anything that was not totally recyclable .

I started with one bulb i could light , now i got 5 it lights a 4v 500 mili bulb , and i can run my bendini fan motor/generator from a 1.2 volts instead of 9-12 volts.

I really don't consider it wasted time , i believe making small steps learning all the way , i do see constant progress.

More detail Please !!!

Kind regard

Mark

Hi Mark

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across negative or killjoy and I agree with your sentiments.  'Trial and error' experimentation (making things) is NEVER a waste of time, especially when you walk away from the experience learning just one new thing (even if it is how not to make the same mistake again  :D ).

Like you I have been building various coils and slowly the volts climb a little bit with each design.  Some coils you keep, others are real 'Doc Brown' Masterpieces like yours and others you recycle, otherwise after a very short time you have no space and boxes of crazy coils you can't remember did what. 

I have messed with the Rodin Type before and when you started posting here I adapted a few older jigs I had and made a couple variants while you were still getting your big jig right.  As previously mentioned I don't have a digi so no pics (sorry) but the diameter is probably larger than yours although NOT as tightly spaced (pegs further apart).  I went for a slightly different approach and wound two internal 'toroids' spaced with a mulitstrand collector coil (8 turns or so), then built two more 'toroids' of basketweave.  I then placed another collector on the perimeter.  After removing the pegs I ran another collector cable through the peg holes.  Its certainly very pretty with all the different cable color  :)

Results -

It runs on very low current and you can crank the resistor at base very high with the led lit at E/C still ultra bright.  This however comes at a cost to the heavy collector coils running between the layers and their output will drop right down

I used my own JT Circuit with Darlington pair (but not the one you posted).

It is NOT possible to reap from multiple collectors AND a central coil within the toroid core.  Using too many collectors disrupts the 'flow'. 

The cable which runs through the old peg holes collects NOTHING.

That's all I can think of for now.

Kind regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 06, 2010, 12:07:15 PM
@e-goose

I never tried led on it , but i can say one thing there are many sweet spots
I should make a video of it , so those sweet spots show the bright light but dim under load , and others don't this is the thing i noticed on one of my first coil , also i don't have the tools to do a proper output reading , i just have a lousy multimeter , that goes crazy on the coil so i use bulbs ...

Mark

Edit

Try connecting a diode full bridge between both transistor collector , check the output there ...

I am quite surprised you got it working at low amps but the fun is higher , what transistor do you use ?

But all and all , the jt never was claimed as a OU device , my coil used for many more experiments on the tpu ...

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 06, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
@all

Done!
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Rosphere on May 06, 2010, 01:05:27 PM
OMG!   :o  That is so sick, dude!   :D

I was not sure where you were going with all those pins.  I thought it was to be a Keely type of idea mixed-in with your agentgates device.  Turns out they were just a bunch of tiny knitting needles.

I can not wait to see how it works out for you.

Nice job.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 06, 2010, 02:02:30 PM
@e-goose

I never tried led on it , but i can say one thing there are many sweet spots
I should make a video of it , so those sweet spots show the bright light but dim under load , and others don't this is the thing i noticed on one of my first coil , also i don't have the tools to do a proper output reading , i just have a lousy multimeter , that goes crazy on the coil so i use bulbs ...

Mark

Edit

Try connecting a diode full bridge between both transistor collector , check the output there ...

I am quite surprised you got it working at low amps but the fun is higher , what transistor do you use ?

But all and all , the jt never was claimed as a OU device , my coil used for many more experiments on the tpu ...

Mark

Yeh, there is certainly some interesting aspects to the coil for sure!

I have a very good Fluke Multi but even that goes nuts sometimes and I suspect it is when the spikes are just way too high.  I had trouble sourcing what was going on with the scope but I suggest putting a very small load in front of your Multi probes (resistor) and that seems to iron out the issue.

Transistors?  For low voltage, high gain results I love using the NPN BC546 which has a HFE >110.  I prefer it to the 2N3904/06 Darlington pair although this was what I was using also.  They are really robust and cheap too.
Once you have tuned everything in at low volts, I switch to two Darlingtons (a Darlington NPN + Darlington PNP each in their own package with very high HFE.  If you have tuned it right, it will still run off 1AA with next to no drain.

Darlington NPN = BD681 (HFE >750)
Darlington PNP = BD682 (HFE >750)

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on May 08, 2010, 05:15:20 AM
Hi

@ all

It's claimed to be cosed loop:

http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=455.300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r-4w1kkHwY&feature=player_embedded

Do not use an enamelled wire. It's need to be good isolation for high voltage



Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on May 08, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
@MK1

Love the build. Nice work indeed. Now to see how to drive it?

If you need suggestions, let us know.

I asked this before but cannot remember of you answered or not.

What is the frequency range of your pulsing device. Can you go up to 20mhz. At least above 1mhz you will probably see the best effects.

wattsup
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: innovation_station on May 08, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
Hi

@ all

It's claimed to be cosed loop:

http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=455.300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r-4w1kkHwY&feature=player_embedded

Do not use an enamelled wire. It's need to be good isolation for high voltage

it looks like a cam board with a few spark gaps ....  lol

find a cam board i can do the same only small scale .. 

indeed it is self running...

: )

charge the cam board ...  discharge it through the flash ...  some engery remains in the cap ....  NOW OPEN AND CLOSE THE FLASH SWITCH YOU WILL SEE SPARKS...  the voltage will climb ...

regards

ist

i have it on video some where  ; )

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: MrMag on May 09, 2010, 02:37:08 AM
Holy Crap M1. What a beautiful looking coil. I sure hope it works after all the work you have put into it.
You know, you are going to go crazy with all the build questions if people want to start replicating.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on May 11, 2010, 09:10:53 PM
Wow, Mark, this is a beautiful coil!

Please count me in for a screensaver.

Is every pair followed by a separate pick up wrapped around?
Or are they all connected to each other by wires somehow?
And, is each tier a new pair of wires?

Thanks again for sharing this work so carefully.

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 12, 2010, 01:14:35 AM
@jeanna

Hi !

Well i really did not have time to play with it yet ,

The yellow wire are bifilar coil a regular jt pair , then you have 18 turns secondary big fat wire , then i repeat the operation 4 times , the first tree layers are off set by 120 degrees , the is a fifth bifilar layer over the whole coil .

The secondaries are wound in opposite directions .

Many thing can be done it can be simple like connecting each layers in series on a single jt circuit , or many circuits .

The bifilar layers can them self be connecting is series to become one wire.

This is going to be fun !

@wattsup

I may need help eventually , as for the freq it is quite flexible , and i am planing in a near future to experiment with you new setup the open ended one ...

I have a question , do the pulses need to be square , can radiant pulses do the same .

Thanks.


Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 15, 2010, 11:32:25 PM
@all

Here is a movie from samesoft on youtube , look how there is no coupling between coil at 90 degree .

http://www.youtube.com/user/samedsoft#p/u/1/i-AGu1Hy-qc

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 16, 2010, 07:45:28 AM
Mark:

That is very interesting.  None at all at 90 degrees.  It appeared that it began somewhere around 45 but it was hard to tell as he seemed to only hold it at an angle once.

That was a very clear demonstration that he did.  I sure learned something.  Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: stprue on May 18, 2010, 12:54:03 AM
Cool vid Mark 

This is just standard inductive coupling even though I'm not sure why there is directionality

It looks like this individual made a replication of this one....much more powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ODW-ntPHSU
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 18, 2010, 06:12:28 AM
@kooler and jeanna

I hope those are alright.

@all

Sorry about the page dimension it won't happen again .

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: wattsup on May 18, 2010, 05:43:56 PM
@Mk1

If this continues we will have to change your user name to @coilweaver - lol.

Really nice build but again, the fun will be in driving it. But how??????????

There may be some conflicting winds in the build that may be better left disconnected as filler material but all this you will have to
discover with trying many drive methods.

I would start by putting all the thick horizontals in series and pulsing one end only with the positive of your FG. Put leds on each
of the 45 degree winds (45DWs) then see how the energy is being dispersed from one to the others. Then start putting the
45DWs in series and see the effects. Then in parallel.

In your second photo where you show the twisting wires that go over one center wire, then under the next, then over the next,
that may be a conflict to initiate any forward flow. I have found that such winds work better when the twist is full so you have
the same polarity always going under the center wire and the other polarity always going on the top of the center wire. This then
favors one direction more then the other otherwise you can create unwanted bottlenecks in the energy flow.

Also, if you ever need a driving partner and you can mail me a coil (or sell me one - lol) and I will do it in so many ways up to 20mhz
and compare these to what I know already. If you are in the US or Canada, that is, otherwise it would be rather expensive to send it
anywhere. Just thought I'd offer this to possibly help you out.

Anyways, keep well and as usual good works.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: samedsoft on May 19, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
Mark:

That is very interesting.  None at all at 90 degrees.  It appeared that it began somewhere around 45 but it was hard to tell as he seemed to only hold it at an angle once.

That was a very clear demonstration that he did.  I sure learned something.  Thanks,

Bill


Dear Pirate,

  I was me. I replicated this from Marko Bakula. I have studied it as of my master thesis work for wireless power transmission.

  I have also studied Dr. Stiffler work.

  You are very good friend.. Anyone can download my thesis pdf and study my findings..

  http://www.teslaint.com/nuri_temurlenk_tez.pdf

  Thanks..
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: kooler on May 29, 2010, 03:42:22 AM
mk1
thanks for the pic's
i got one for a background now..
awesome coil

robbie
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on May 29, 2010, 03:56:56 AM
@kooler

Thanks !

I got this for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgo_N-5JOg

You said you needed help tuning your circuit , you need a lc meter , then use some online calculator to find the proper cap value for a given freq .

I noticed on my coil greater output without loading the transistors ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on June 01, 2010, 01:59:48 PM

30 % ENERGY SAVER
http://freeenergyinfo.narod2.ru/minimizator/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0MlEBWkn4
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: mrd10 on June 23, 2010, 10:43:54 AM
Hi guys, glad to see still movement in this area, maybe more ideas cause I've always liked the open tpu's, for their simplicity, and yes something we can strive for regarding the twisted coil, I actually posted pics of what I've been upto till this date, in the other thread, agentgates tpu.
page 59, so you can check it out, what ill be doing is winding 4 sections as per that twist as you have already done, I have a few rings made up from the past, coated with ferrite epoxy.
I just started up again, cause my head keeps coming back to tpu...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: mrd10 on June 23, 2010, 10:45:16 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8586.870
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on June 24, 2010, 01:16:17 AM
@mrd10

Hi nice work !

I have slowed down a bit over there to implement a new idea , sort of a modification on the NS coil , to me its to only possible explanation for the power of the coil then it seems the transformer can exhibit OU when it is coupled to earth freq , but that freq is real low and get generated by two fast freq very close to being the same this will create a third freq that one need to be earth tuned , then a secondary mechanically tuned to earth .

Anyway before going into all that i will produce a small prototype to power small source , then we will be able to talk about it ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: mrd10 on June 24, 2010, 01:51:46 AM
@Mark

Thank you, Your doing good work too, sharing is great.
heheh were split on two threads here. Just to let you know i'll be away for afew weeks and won't be updating.
when i get back i'll start again.

Something else I forgot to mention, with the small tpu oscillator, It was hitting 60volts, sharp spikes, and then i just noticed something, remember the first open tpu, which he measured was 60volts, now i know this might not mean anything, and i don't like shooting in the dark, but thought i'd make mention of it.

It's a very simple cct to make, the more that can replicate what i've done and test it, the better.

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: mrd10 on June 24, 2010, 02:01:41 AM
here's the cct, which was taken from:-

single transistor cct:-
http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm

using 555timer:-
http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/555sstc/555sstc.htm
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: mrd10 on June 24, 2010, 02:10:24 AM
6 turns on feedback, dont need alot of turns here, slight hum noticed when in operation
connect a miniature 12volt filament bulb on secondary, supply is 9volt 200ma batt
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on June 24, 2010, 02:43:44 PM
@all

I believe i have found something special

http://www.google.com/sky/

It raps this tread together quite nicely .

Go to the address select the right zoom scale , but it on the first step of the ladder then click on infrared ...

From the small to the very small , i may have my answer .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 24, 2010, 03:53:19 PM
@all

I believe i have found something special

http://www.google.com/sky/

It raps this tread together quite nicely .

Go to the address select the right zoom scale , but it on the first step of the ladder then click on infrared ...

From the small to the very small , i may have my answer .

Mark

Hi again!  You do realise that image is not all of the one Galaxy/picture right?  It has been pasted together a number of times and overlapped which gives the appearance of sinewave.

Regards

E-Goose
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on June 24, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
@egoose

Yep ! pretty sure its the same freq as the gravity wave too ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jeanna on August 11, 2010, 11:08:19 PM
@MK1

This guy just subscribed to my utube account.
I took a look at his uploads and I think you might find this stuff very interesting.
Forgive me if this has already been posted.

http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoforvolts#g/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoforvolts#g/u)
He is making what he calls a starship coil which is a lot like yours but still the loops are on a different plane from either yours or Rodin's. He is getting results too as it would seem!

jeanna
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ALVARO_CS on August 29, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
@Mark
Thanks so much for all the info you share.
inspired by the honeycomb coil you show in a pic, I winded a bifilar honeycomb coil and in spite of its small size and No of turns, it works perfect in a JT. I was used to think that air cores need bigger size and number of turns than the ferrite toroids but this kind of winding is very efficient related to its size.
I m very much interested about the relationship between platonic solids & energy.
@ All
Thank you for the nice work and for your generosity.
cheers
Alvaro
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on August 30, 2010, 11:58:08 AM
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3MrxueODM&feature=channel
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on August 31, 2010, 07:05:28 AM
@all

Have a look at the string theory and God , everything must include sound and everything must include the Swastica ...

“…SATOR SQUARE MERGED WITH TWISTOR STRING THEORY and the SS SuperSymmetry”

http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/sator-square-merged-with-twistor-string-theory-and-supersymmetry/
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: jadon1979 on September 30, 2010, 04:14:14 AM
One thing I would like to see is all of these different coils sitting in over a ferrous liquid like toner+synthetic motor oil.  I plan on dipping a rodin coil in the same silicon you dip the grips of your tool in to make handles and then setting up a few test with this.  Maybe build a lexan box - have the rodin a few mm above the material... try channel 1 > 2 > both > join 1 & 2 as a single channel and try that.  Take it to the next level and have a neosphere on rods above the coil... test that.... place another coil above the neosphere .. try that...

Curious if the material will climb the rodin.... go up to the sphere... and then up to the other rodin.... I've got a vision of the infinity symbol slowly forming with this if done right.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2010, 06:46:23 PM
MK

Just finished reading  this  thread
Geat  work on your coils
Can't wait to see how you  end up driving them



I have   been working on a  project for a while now .
My chosen  starting point is  using a  JT strong enough  to light a CFL
In other words I want to start  with a Jeanna light.
I can  get it done in several ways
USing  a MOT  as a JT .......  my candy cane  coils....... or I could break down and  buy  a large  toroid.
There  are problems  with all these ways to build  a Jeana light .

Based  on  your  experience so far ...... is it possable to make a Jeanna light  with your new kind of coil?


What inner diameter would you start with?

I am guessing the  heavy staight wraps would be  the primarys.......any guess on whow many wraps  would be needed for each primary leg?

Any idea about how many 45 degree wraps  it might take?

I will be  using  your  nails in the tube method for  holding everything  together   during wrapping.

I know   that  this is still mostly  uncharted territory.,.  I am just asking for a few guesses.

My  guesses are   3 to 4 windings for base primary leg about twice that for emitter  primary leg.
5  or 6 inches in diameter.
I do not have a clue  about  how far to space the wires apart...........or  how  tall to make the coil  .......I am thinking  of  maybe 5 wraps per lap ........ maybe  4 or 5 laps


thanks    for any help you chose to provide


gary
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on October 12, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
@Resonanceman

Hi , thanks for the positive comments , so far i have tried many things with it .

But its a bit more for the inductive loads , the coupling is excellent between the coil , you can pretty much any 2 coils for the jt , the radiant shows it self with the dual jt circuit , i how ever don't think its high voltage (that will need to be tested) .

As far as the angle i have to try other , i discovered 22.5 should be the optimum i will test as soon as time permits .

the early prototypes show that the secondary no diodes sorta acted like dc , the later models on a tube gave a more standard jt ac output .

Now on the dual jt i connected the bridge between the emitter of each transistor , it gave me around 120 v i should try the unmoded cfl , the video showing a .047farad 5v cap was with only one emitter to the bridge , with both the cap over charged too fast to safely do it , yes that fast .

I wounder if my coils with high voltage what would happen , also what i was planing on doing was a switch at 80v neon bulb and triac , so cap the 120v when it gets to 80v lights the neon triggers the triac sparking the cap trough one of the unused coils , i think i can drive 2 triggers pretty fast at 80 v the changing the capacitor will change the freq . 


I will thinking of making a water filed donut (diamagnetic ) with some ferro fluids in it , water seems ridiculous at first but the oil in the ferro magnetic fluid will not mix with the water plus once the iron is turns into a magnet the water diamagnetisim will be activated further helping the ferro fluids , i think it will be really close to super fluidity at room temp .


Anyway i hope this helps ...

I know i did not really answer your questions but , the rules are about the same as a regular jt , the freq really flexible for a air core , or copper core , what ever it is , i made a 3 layer pickup coil fro the fat wire and got 150 volts or something but the amps where not there ...


Lets your imagination work it out , god manifest it self in problem solving .


Mark   
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2010, 06:01:00 AM
@Resonanceman

Hi , thanks for the positive comments , so far i have tried many things with it .

But its a bit more for the inductive loads , the coupling is excellent between the coil , you can pretty much any 2 coils for the jt , the radiant shows it self with the dual jt circuit , i how ever don't think its high voltage (that will need to be tested) .

As far as the angle i have to try other , i discovered 22.5 should be the optimum i will test as soon as time permits .

the early prototypes show that the secondary no diodes sorta acted like dc , the later models on a tube gave a more standard jt ac output .

Now on the dual jt i connected the bridge between the emitter of each transistor , it gave me around 120 v i should try the unmoded cfl , the video showing a .047farad 5v cap was with only one emitter to the bridge , with both the cap over charged too fast to safely do it , yes that fast .

I wounder if my coils with high voltage what would happen , also what i was planing on doing was a switch at 80v neon bulb and triac , so cap the 120v when it gets to 80v lights the neon triggers the triac sparking the cap trough one of the unused coils , i think i can drive 2 triggers pretty fast at 80 v the changing the capacitor will change the freq . 


I will thinking of making a water filed donut (diamagnetic ) with some ferro fluids in it , water seems ridiculous at first but the oil in the ferro magnetic fluid will not mix with the water plus once the iron is turns into a magnet the water diamagnetisim will be activated further helping the ferro fluids , i think it will be really close to super fluidity at room temp .


Anyway i hope this helps ...

I know i did not really answer your questions but , the rules are about the same as a regular jt , the freq really flexible for a air core , or copper core , what ever it is , i made a 3 layer pickup coil fro the fat wire and got 150 volts or something but the amps where not there ...


Lets your imagination work it out , god manifest it self in problem solving .


Mark

Mark

Having  enough power to be used for an inductive load is a good thing...
In my opinion  it a few years to soon to say that this kind of coil is  only good for inductive loads........  I say this based on my own  experience.
With my candy cane coils 250V was easy...... 350V  took  a month or so.......getting over 450V with enough  power  to light a CFL took somewhere around 2 years
I suspect that at least  some of what I learned  in those 2 years  will apply directly to increasing the  maximum   voltage  avalable  from these coils.

This kind of project fits me very well.
...
One of my  big priorities is finding other practical ways  to build  large coils without having to buy large  hard to find  toroids.
JTs can't get much bigger   unless we find  good alternatives the  big toroids..
This  is the  best alternative I have seen  ........ all that is needed is knowledge and  wire..........    That is perfect

:)



gary





Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: DonEMitchell on October 15, 2010, 09:34:32 PM
@MK1

2nd post here as a clueless newbie...

Mark!  Thanks for the Fibonacci, Platonics, and Vortex coils theme!

Please consider my familiarity in this theme as an offer of mind-pool excitement:

Here are several POVRay illustrations of various degrees of torus knots...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/ (http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/)

The link above shows the equal-distance paths around various torus knots in red and blue.  This path is the basis of the Moebius Resistor patent.

If one puts a 1/2 twist on a strip and joins the ends, a 1/2 twist Moebius loop is formed.  Any odd-half-integer twist (1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc.) forms a Moebius loop of various mathematically curious features... beyond my narrow focus as bifilar coils and attempts to find the 'theoretically perfect form' (or close facsimile) to invoke scalar torsion effect in balance and control. 

While the twisted strip forms one Moebius loop, there is also only one edge, a Moebius edge.  The Moebius edge is exactly a torus knot.  A half-twist Moebius edge is a (2,1) torus knot.

Notice the (5.6 megabyte) animation of a cutaway of a (4,3) torus knot of three-separate coils phased 120 degrees apart...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_anim_512x384.gif (http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_anim_512x384.gif)

The image is half of a whole that is redrawn exactly the same for each animation frame, except it is rotated on the axis of the torus center.  This shows an illusion of the rotation that could be had if the 3-phase coils are stepped in phase.

In the animation linked above, and it's static 32 KB version...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_bifilar_cutaway_512x384.jpg (http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_bifilar_cutaway_512x384.jpg)

One can see one coil-phase as red/blue halves in the cross-section (the white and gray loops are phase 2 and 3). 

The red loops balance the magnetic field of the blue loops to null.  A bifilar cancellation of the magnetic field exists in every odd numbered 1/2 integer twist of every Moebius edge form, and in the (4,3) knot it is a quadrature cross-section pattern.  This pattern rotates whatever effect is caused upon the core when the 3 separate coils are stepped by a 3-phase power supply.

The overall rotation of the cancellation pattern is like the motion of smoke within a smoke ring... Nature's perfect balance for 3D dynamics.

I would be so VERY interested in feedback.  I'm especially interested in investigations toward control of the green glow, and there is room at the inn!

There has been recent momentum in a start-up investor-fortified proof-of-concept, and everyone from investors through journalists are invited to be inside or close outside the investigation.

Please note:  this topic seems to have no bottom!  So many simultaneous solutions seem to lay in the geometry of an entangled toroidal poly-phased helix.  So PLEASE approach this research with due caution! In the least expect to loose a lot of equipment not properly isolated due to surprise spikes... also, distance between yourself and this device at resonance with the matter lattice of the core is STRONGLY ADVISED to avoid forming cataracts on your eyes, or worse.  Cognitive effects could be everlasting.  A Faraday cage might keep neighbors happier also avoiding ACCIDENTAL ELECTROCUTION FROM UN-ANTICIPATED INSTANT SUCCESS, but nothing will shield SCALAR EFFECTS from black unmarked helicopters if you're near a shadow government location, or nuclear sub base, etc.


Warm regards,
Don in AZ
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on October 15, 2010, 11:13:27 PM
@DonEMitchell

First off welcome to this tread , its all about sharing ideas so feel free to post any idea ...

Thanks for the link and pictures and expertise , i am willing to learn everyday.

I see what you mean , i will need to think about it before making any relevant comment , the funny thing is i had some similar ideas early this morning , synchronicity .

Kind regards

Mark on earth  ;)
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Cherryman on October 15, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
Maybe i'm way of the point here, but i did came to some relating info i think that could add some info.



Quote
Li explains that as the ions spin they also create a gravito-electric field perpendicular to their spin axis. In nature, this field is unobserved because the ions are randomly arranged, thus causing their tiny gravito-electric fields to cancel out one another. In a Bose-Einstein condensate, where all ions behave as one, something very different occurs.

Spinning ions - that' s what my email below is about (see red text).

I think I can explain what those cone-shaped holes and mirage heat waves are, but first let tell you a little about myself. I'm 30 now. When I was about 18, I saw a strange light in the sky that looked like a red ball of light. As I was looking, it shot out of sight in the blink of an eye. The first question I asked myself was not "What was that?" I asked, "How?"

Sense then in my spare time, I've researched the how question. Without getting too technical, I came to conclusion that an electromagnetic field can cause an antigravity effect IF the fields are shaped properly. There are actually two fields that need to be shaped properly. The electrical field and the magnetic field.

The electrical field has to be shaped like a tornado or a vortex. The magnetic field has to be shaped like a donut. If you can make a device that can create the electrical vortex, then the electrical field will cause the magnetic field to take the donut shape. The same is true the other way around. If you had a device that can make a donut-shaped magnetic field, it will build the electrical field in a vortex shape. These shaped fields cancels gravity.

Another thing to mention that might explain what Ricky Sorrells saw. It's known for a fact that gravity bends lights. It's part of the theory of relativity that gravity can slow down time and cause mass to change. These are relativity facts.

Now, we can explain Ricky's drawing. Each cone-shaped indention is a device that creates an electrical vortex (sometime called a plasma or ion vortex), and like a tornado with multiple vortexes, they all the add up to cause one big vortex around the craft. That big vortex causes a large donut-shaped field around the craft. Within this donut shaped magnetic field, magnetic flux lines are created in a little different shape than normal matter. Flux line are the force lines in magnetic fields. You can see these flux lines if you sprinkle metal shaving over a piece of paper with a magnet under it. Flux lines are always curved, except in the center of a donut-shaped field.

And while "floating" .. I add this ;-)

http://www.ufohowto.com/Magnetic%20vortex%20wormhole%20generator.pdf (http://www.ufohowto.com/Magnetic%20vortex%20wormhole%20generator.pdf)

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on October 19, 2010, 02:07:43 AM
hi Mk1,

some suggestions about coils. I don't try it yet, but I will.
I was away from my toys, but my mind was always on double JT :)

this coil is easy to fix.
this is clip, how to wind coil:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i5vVaKGJSM
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: guruji on October 19, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
Hi MRD10 nice setup there. Does it give certain ammount of power there?
I really need a setup of a small JT that can charge a bank of batteries.
Is there a hero there that can do this? :)
Thanks
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on October 19, 2010, 06:11:00 PM
Hi,

some ideas from this :    http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=792.msg18858#new
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: DonEMitchell on October 19, 2010, 06:47:23 PM
That's beautiful work! 

Are you able to test for inductive coupling across the minor diameter? 

That would be from the center to the outside.

Per the Moebius resistor patent's claim, bifilar conduction from the outside to the center creates inductive canceling, so the toroidal helix should be able to operate like a straight piece of wire, perhaps even with less inductance.

If you have enough natural magnetite, and/or iron fillings, and/or ground ferrite, could you test the inductance when buried in each of these materials, including de-ionized water (an insulator) and mineral oil, etc. etc.

If you have a fast scope, the rising edge should go from a inductance damped rising edge if the center is cut, and only one current flow through one helix is tested, and when electrically joined in the middle you have a "scalar coil" that should have a much steeper rising edge on the current.

Any data you gather would be precious!

Great work! 

http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/ (http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/)
http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Moebius_Edge_Gallery (http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Moebius_Edge_Gallery)

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: DonEMitchell on October 20, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
I was surprised to discover, while talking to a retired radar technician, that he knew of a torus knot from his radar work.

The connection is as a 'meta material'.  The torus knot in 3d has an effect on radar beam.  A planar array of small knots is used to create an artificial index of refraction for radar beams.  These planes may be used around the radar tower as various methods to shield the installation.

The medical imaging field is also experimenting with the Swiss roll coil, which when impinged with its resonant frequency has an effect of a magnetic wire along its cylindrical length. 

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tak22 on October 20, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
The connection is as a 'meta material'.  The torus knot in 3d has an effect on radar beam. 
A planar array of small knots is used to create an artificial index of refraction for radar beams. 
These planes may be used around the radar tower as various methods to shield the installation.

The medical imaging field is also experimenting with the Swiss roll coil, which when impinged
with its resonant frequency has an effect of a magnetic wire along its cylindrical length.

Hi Don,

You mentioned two things I'm not familiar with, metamaterials and Swiss roll coils, so I had to
look them up! How is this for a starting point?

http://www.metamorphose-vi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=70 (http://www.metamorphose-vi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=70)

Quote
There are many definitions of metamaterials, which highlight various aspects of this concept.

Metamaterial is an arrangement of artificial structural elements, designed to achieve
advantageous and unusual electromagnetic properties.
Even such a flexible definition
is incomplete on the one hand, and too strict, on the other. It is helpful to draw the following
analogy: Metamaterial is composed of its elements in the same sense as matter consists
of atoms. But these structural elements themselves are made of conventional materials,
i.e., finally, of normal atoms. Accordingly, metamaterial represents the next level of
structural organization of matter.

tak



Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on October 21, 2010, 08:42:35 AM
@all

Hi everyone !

I have some drawings of the precession , it describes the path and the order of the ages (constellation) and reminds us of somethingss .

And also we see Phi clearly . Now is it binary or not ?

Would two identical system , 1/4 off create a third path , or is it the division between electrical and magnetic field .

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: DonEMitchell on October 21, 2010, 02:04:47 PM
Hi Don,

You mentioned two things I'm not familiar with, metamaterials and Swiss roll coils, so I had to
look them up! How is this for a starting point?

http://www.metamorphose-vi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=70 (http://www.metamorphose-vi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=70)

tak

Hello Tak,
Nice link above, thanks.
On metamaterials, I collected a few links in my notes:
http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Swiss_Roll_Coil (http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Swiss_Roll_Coil)

The coil category may be interesting:
http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Category:Coil (http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Category:Coil)
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: tysb3 on October 22, 2010, 10:57:53 PM
@DonEMitchell

this is post from:
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=455.msg21160#new

Интересно было бы провести опыт с разборным конденсатором, но в качестве диэлектрика был бы воздух. Я уверен результат будет такой же, как и с разборной лейденской банкой. Вот тут уже не объяснишь поляризацией диэлектрика, а на лицо разумные свойство конденсатора. Тот еврей заложил бомбу под фундамент науки, а спичку не поднёс, прости меня Господи!
P.S. Я слышал про опыт с катушкой описанный в советское время в журнале Наука и жизнь. Взяли провод и намотали катушку длинную и тонкую. Затем взяли эту намотанную тонкую катушку и ею как проводом намотали ещё одну катушку. Затем из этой дважды намотанной катушки как проводом намотали ещё одну катушку, вернувшись как бы к исходному состоянию векторов. Подали ток на эту трижды намотанную катушку, получили магнитное поле, как если бы мотали катушку обычным проводом. Но что интересно, когда ток выключили и катушку убрали со стола, магнитное поле осталось на том месте стола. Просьба ко всем, у кого есть эта статья из журнала наука и жизнь - выложить на форуме? У Маркова из Новосибирска есть патент на сверхпроводник из вольфрама с рабочей температурой до 3000 градусов, намотанный таким же образом. Я слышал, что спираль лампочек накаливания мотают дважды, чтобы компенсировать реактивную составляющую. Намотали бы спираль трижды, скомпенсировали бы ещё омическую составляющую.
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Russian to English (google) translation

It would be interesting to experiment with detachable condenser, but as an insulator would air. I'm sure the result will be the same as with the folding Leyden jar. Here is no longer explain the polarization of the insulator, and the person a reasonable property of the capacitor. One Jew planted a bomb under the foundation of science, but a match is not raised, forgive me, Lord!
P.S. I heard about the experience with the coil described in the Soviet era in the journal Science and Life. Took the lead and reeled reel long and thin. Then they took this wound coil and a thin wire wrapped in it as yet another coil. Then, from this double-wound coils wire wrapped in another coil, returning as it were, to the initial state vectors. Applied current to this coil wound three times, got a magnetic field, as if shaking his usual coil wire. But interestingly, when the current is turned off and the coil was removed from the table, the magnetic field remained at the site table. Request to all who have this article from the journal Science and Life - put on the forum? In Markov from Novosibirsk has a patent on a superconductor made of tungsten with an operating temperature up to 3000 degrees, the wound in the same way. I heard that the spiral bulbs shakes twice to compensate for the reactive component. Wrapped in a spiral to three times, would have offset the ohmic component.
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Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 13, 2010, 06:27:57 AM
@Don

I like your modeling , it made me realize that a torus is not a strait inductor , the each loop of the coil goes one time around the circumference of the torus while gowning one time around it ...

Thank !

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 13, 2010, 06:31:28 AM
@all

Look at this ... I would see making this coil from 2 wire in perfect symmetry , and the good wire the red one's for the output ...

This could work on a jt circuit ... 3d torus ...

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 13, 2010, 08:27:54 AM
@all

I have superimpose the Metatron's cube over it , in the circles you get 369.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 06:34:24 PM
@all

I made i new drawing it really look like a Rodin , but its not , i made the twin VW go to all 18 steps , not 9 .

You can almost see how the magnetic field will look like ...

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
@all

I am beginning to see patterns ...

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
@all

I got the dark lord , the serpent path ...

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 08:31:40 PM
@all

The mayan calendar is a little crooked , but it correct the angles a bit it shows the unseen in the coil its also the swastika ...

   
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
@all

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 09:20:07 PM
@still cant see it !
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 09:32:05 PM
@all

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 09:42:00 PM
@all

i am not sure ... but there is Ssomething ssper ssmelly ...
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
@all

There was a mistake , passing from the 2D to 3D model , i made the correction .


Also , the knowledge of the ancient was the same but seen differently by different civilization  , the 2 fish (dagon), serpent eating its head , swastika , mayan calender ... 

The dark days are back in the light  :-X
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 14, 2010, 11:54:20 PM
@all

Ok i need to stop for today , but those are the modification .

Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: bobinaccounting on November 15, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Hey guys,

I was wondering if the same effects that produces this image would apply?
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on November 15, 2010, 03:58:34 AM
@all

Basically , its the matrix of realty , space is a fluid .

Imagine water in a glass , and dropping something in it , it create expending circles , and reflect on the glass and comes back , at resonance it creates mater , event horizon , that contain all realty ...

Some example of perfect solids and pattern repeated in the path of god.

If you wish to learn this is a good place to start http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#

first 4h of 8h  :o then you may have a gimps into it...

Mark

 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on February 14, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
@all

Hi everyone !

I will not be looking at the So called Rodin Coil , Its not new or Marko Rodin's invention but lets stick to convention for now .

I have known about the the geometry of the coil and function intuitively first because i am a musician and it took the knowledge of the maths of the coil to finally figure how to tune a piano ( this is historic in nature check it out).

Here is a Chinese drawing     

And reference link http://www.sacredscience.com/archive/PetrusDiagrams.htm

Really worth a look .
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on February 14, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
@all

I have yet to decide if i will continue here or start a new tread for the Rodin coil .

Phi will be the base for the coil , it will include all the knowledge i gathered from here put the one in my Leedskalnin tread .

But here is a first image and idea that will be used .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on February 15, 2011, 12:42:13 PM
@all

I finish my coil here is a preview

 http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/a/u/0/J6QIIwFkO00

It has 4 poles 2 magnetic  North and South Iron wire and 2 diamagnetic East and West copper wire .

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Magluvin on February 15, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
Hey Mk1
You are still goin strong at these coils. How are they working out?  Does the angles help to propagate current in the iron better than the copper to copper?

Glad to see that you see something in these coils. I still have mine. I look at it and ponder what could be the key if there is one. I keep going back to the big thick yellow coil that Gates initially started with, and wondered if that was a way to go.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ALVARO_CS on February 22, 2011, 11:54:05 AM
Hello Mk
I´ve been following this thread with great interest, although there is little moving around this "sacred" geometry`s point of view, and I think there is a lot of clues to be yet discovered (and placed into practical uses).
Thank you very much for your generous sharing and my best wishes for your success.
Attached some coils I winded related to the starship coil. I made one in a cardboard tube but I got the best results from the ones here posted.
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on February 22, 2011, 01:51:59 PM
@ALVARO_CS

Welcome to my tread , i know you posted another JT a few pages back , i am sorry i never got to thank you for your work .

Thanks again !

Mark
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: resonanceman on March 03, 2011, 02:35:57 AM
Hello Mk
I´ve been following this thread with great interest, although there is little moving around this "sacred" geometry`s point of view, and I think there is a lot of clues to be yet discovered (and placed into practical uses).
Thank you very much for your generous sharing and my best wishes for your success.
Attached some coils I winded related to the starship coil. I made one in a cardboard tube but I got the best results from the ones here posted.
\
Alvaro

Just courious

Have  you tried a secondary on any of these coils?

The only way I see to add a secondary is to wind about 5 laps bifilar in the same pattern ......then connect them start to end like a JT......that would give  you a 10 to 1 step up ..........hopefully.

Using old CDs is a great idea.
I am working on a magnet motor.......I am now thinking of making it a little bigger and using CDs for the rotors

gary
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ALVARO_CS on March 28, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
@Gary
Thanks for your interest.
I tried secondaries winded over a ferrite rod and placed in the middle in a perpendicular plane.(trying to collect from the mag. vortex in center).
I guess it should be a pulsed vortex, as I used it in a joule thief.
Sorry for the delay in reply.(I have read much of your work in this forum, and learn a lot from it, so . . .thanks again)
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: resonanceman on March 28, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
@Gary
Thanks for your interest.
I tried secondaries winded over a ferrite rod and placed in the middle in a perpendicular plane.(trying to collect from the mag. vortex in center).
I guess it should be a pulsed vortex, as I used it in a joule thief.
Sorry for the delay in reply.(I have read much of your work in this forum, and learn a lot from it, so . . .thanks again)

ALVARO

Thanks    I saw where you said that ferrite in the center enhansed a JT made with  your coils
How did the secondary work out? WHat kind of voltage and current did it put  out.

I was thinking that if a vortex is there  a simple coil in the center might  tap it.

I wonder if iron wire would work better than copper.

HHHmmmm.

What  about a coil wound on a plastic tube or wooden dowel that just fit through  the hole in the CD?
If you then grounded one end of that coil  and connected the other end to the right capacitor ........ wouldn't  you have a JT Tesla coil?


gary
 
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: ALVARO_CS on April 03, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
@Gary
I have great difficulty lately with my internet, (very expensive in Spain, and at present I´m economicaly broken)
So I cannot be online as I wish.
Although I keep on experimenting and I´ll try the variants as per your suggestions. As some of you in this forum, I get much from salvaged TVs, PCs and so on.
I´ll try to do a series of tests with measurements and post here with photos.
Cheers
Alvaro
Title: Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
Post by: Mk1 on July 02, 2013, 10:01:27 PM
@all


Vendication time ! http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/144203/The_Primer_Fields_Part_1_International_Ver/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG4dRUOWwtg    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQqCMe_37P0


Mind Blowing ...