Soon we will see......demo in may 2010 in Germany?
Hopefully it's not another hoax
Here is the Full patent PDF File of it.
You first have to give in the graphic code:
http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true (http://v3.espacenet.com/espacenetDocument.pdf?flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090212&CC=WO&NR=2009019001A2&KC=A2&popup=true)
Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
Thanks for posting this interesting video. Unfortunately, the text (it this a patent issued or just a patent application (PTO)?) is in German and probably you can help in sorting it out. Looks very similar to Perendev.
[0005] The magnetic fields formed by the particular arrangement of the dipole magnets of the inner stator, the rotor and the outside stator cause that the rotor becomes free floating between the inner stator and the outside stator held. The apparatus according to invention works in such a way as a magnetic bearing. Surprisingly shown that becomes generated by the particular arrangement of the dipole magnets of the inner stator, the rotor and the outside stator with rotation of the rotor a magnetic alternating field, has itself a to a large extent lossless rotation of the rotor between the inner stator and the outside stator allowed. This can become for a multiplicity of technical applications utilized, for example for a particularly friction-poor storage itself of a preferably rapid rotary shaft.
Hoax or not.. As long as they can't tax the use; they powers that be (governments etc) will not allow it to become public available.
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The governments (except those of opec countries) have more interest in a new mass market of free energy generators where they get VAT or other taxes that they would decide, than in importing oil at an heavy cost.
And free energy generators would give rise to a new economy generating much more economic growth than FE itself.
For the governments, free energy machines are bullshits from crackpots so they have not to allow or not allow them. They ignore them. When one will be available and widely sold, they will likely tax them.
Conspiracy theories are stupity for reinforcing believer's faith in FE machines that we don't yet have or strictly speaking that are not yet proved to exist.
Patents are useless, Omni, if your still over the pond, check it out?
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Also, translation produces the following text:
Does the above mean that it's just a patent for a magnetic bearing? How is the the varying magnetic field created spontaneously for this device to be OU?
Hi Folks,
Just seen at another forum: Yildiz has demonstrated his magnet motor at the Delft Technical University in Holland. Here is a 10 minute video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
rgds, Gyula
Hi Folks,
Just seen at another forum: Yildiz has demonstrated his magnet motor at the Delft Technical University in Holland. Here is a 10 minute video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3227d5Css
rgds, Gyula
Muammer Yildiz? No way. Who has a name like that? It's not even his real name, people.
It is painfully obvious 'Muammer Yildiz is simple anagram for:
Im Ze Liar Dummy
It's a hoax. He is playing the free energy community for the 'dummies' that we are....
lol
TS
What kind of logic is that?
The kind that is highlighted by the letters l.o.l. in bold print. :D
All aboard the Omnibus, (or is that the 'sillybus'?) I'm going on a guilt trip.... :-[
TS
You're the one using twisted logic and silly anagram attempts while calling others silly.
Guilty of all three.... :-\
Although, to be specific, I was only referring to you as being silly. Your use of the plural, "others", was likely a freudian slip which seems to indicate perhaps a mulitple personality affectation disorder which 'we' won't go into here.
Buddum bum....
(insert cymbal clash here)
Once again, It was a J.o.k.e.....just hit you at an odd angle is all.
TS
Again, Delft University is not just any place. That's the largest university in Holland where van't Hoff has worked as well as the founder of Phillips company, among many other prominent scientists. Couldn't catch the name of the fellow who was the host. If I knew who he was I'd like to call him.
Hi Omnibus!
I´ve been searching for a while inside TU Delft (university) webpage, and there is no mention of this event.... Not in their daily agenda, nor in the student`s blogs ... nowhere.
Maybe some good dutch user can make a phone call to the university and at least confirm that the event really took place in there ?
Regards,
SigmaX
Well..........
All kidding aside I don't know what they feed their kids in the Netherlands?
But It definitely works for free energy ,out of the box thinking!!
1st Gravity wheels ,now magnet motors!
TV, press releases, big Universities!
Don't these guys have M.I.B.'s?
Wheres all that "paranoia"?
Must be the diet?
Ours makes us nervous and jerky! [well I'm not so nervous anymore]
HHmmm.........
Chet
I share your doubt, Stephan. This is not a 100 percent permanent magnet motor. In the video, the wires are very visible at the fan side. (1 min.25sec.) In the patent he writes in point 0051 about the possibility that one or more magnets are of the electromagnetic kind. The use of a hidden battery is then very plausible. Just one time the word 'motor' is used in the description of the device. In 0002 he writes that already a long time the brushless DC motor exists, who is doing the same as his invention. In 0003 he explains that his goal is to improve the interaction between a static magnetic field and a dynamic magnetic field. Unclear how he generates the last. I give him the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion it's a big conventional brushless motor with hidden features. ;)
to interest universities and investors for his invention
There is something missing.
When you do a presentation of a new device it is general practice to have available technical data sheets that answer the bulk of the questions. Such sheets would have clearly drawn technical schematics, and actual power generation data acquired via the hundreds of hours of testing, tuning and retesting. Data which presents not only specifics of the actual device, but also environmental conditions when tests where done and all other circumstances that may influence the final numbers, not to mention the names and types of scientific measuring apparatus used.
Certainly if you where inventing such a "world changing" device, you would document everything and anything that was in anyway related to the development of your brainchild. To just present your "working" device in front of a scientifically minded audience and no data is disrespectful of your own hard work and leaves a huge vacuum that motivates thoughts of fraud.
Where's the meat? Where's the data? Is there any?
...........Worth a try with FEMM - at least :)
This looks promising. The patent differs from this machine though.This is a later development so it seems. The patent - 12 Febr. 2009 , with no claim of overunity - shows an inside stator of an ascending row of vertical magnets. The outside stator has an equal vertical row stretching all around. The rotor in between has a checker pattern of round magnets 10 degrees out of alignment. All polarities repel. The strength of the magnet field thus alternates relative to the inside stator. If true an amazing discovery. Certainly worth replicating!
The idea looks very clever and novel. It would be a threat to the superconducting industry.
The hammer sets an initial spark gap in play.
There is an immense quantity of Bloch Wall connection / disconnection going on. This is a virtual spark gap process. But this device has 2 circumferal layers of x amount between each side of the layers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mww4p5moloo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&feature=player_embedded#!
This was his old invention:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
He never came forward with this.
This former event at the Delft university
was only put on Turkish TV it seems,
but nobody from the Delft people have put videos or pictures
up on youtube from this former event ???
Why not ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Y3n1bOtn4
Listen to the crack of the hammer.
Also when ever magnets swing past each other they connect/disconnect with flux. You make that happen very fast and you get energy. Bedini motor does this.
The professors in Delft University are not stupid. They are not network marketing men selling amego wands.
It is ironic to see so many folks in this forum being attracted to amego wands, but not this motor.
So, can someone contact these people at Delft University (@Cloxxki was very good at making contacts in Holland during the times of Sjack Abeling splash) and ask them if they were allowed to inspect the motor thoroughly? I guess Yilmaz wasn't there just for the period of the video, taking off the minute it ended. Delft University is a prestigious science center and I don't think they's be happy to lose reputation so lightly by perpetrating fraud. Can someone ask what were the conditions under which Yildiz would assist a third party to replicate his device?It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.
It wasn't me. Probably Cherryman.
I have several contacts at the university though, graduates and current students.
The Yildiz motor actually IS quite close to a solution. Depending on coil geometry and placement, it's efficiency has got to be in the mid to high nineties percentage wise. In the least, it should spark a shift in the right direction, research wise.
As Johnson, Perendev, Qin Gang, and others have long demonstrated....a veritable bee hive of field changes can be had at very little cost.
TS
This doesn't mean it is a fraud, just that it has major characteristics of one.
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.
What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency. His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design. A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.
Who knows, it might be already....
TS
These copious eddies are brakes rather than stimuli.
Tell that to the fish who use them to remain motionless in a swift stream, even darting upstream at great velocity and with little effort. Or the Bumble Bee who sheds them with great efficiency....or even the bacterial flagellum.
The PMs that are causing the vortices need not be the ones caught up in them. All too often, magnetic fields are summarily relegated to bipolar status, while somewhere in that huge gulf in between, exists the dynamic lever by which to pry loose one of the covers on nature's wheelwork.
TS
It's not a matter as to how fish remain motionless.
without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions.
predominantly a mechanical system
What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...
On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!
Mr. J.J. Duarte
was again the guy who made the wind testing in the video
and moderated it all.
He also was on the front of the audience by the earlier
date at Delf university, in the video with the turkish narration.
So he should be contacted, if we want to know more.
Regards, Stefan.
Is he the engineer from Delft University, also interested in UFO, who was hosting the event? I thought his name was Coen Vermeeren as the link from @Cherryman indicates..
Just why is nobody talking about the fact that you can hear a very heavy relay click on when he starts the motor?????
It even clicks a few times and it PROVES he got some energy source in there.
Why doesn't he show that, and why aren't you guy's wrapping tpu's ?
One has only to look at the patent schematics to see that the dynamics at work are genuine. The 'magic' happens at high speed, kind of like driving your car over a street made of speed bumps. Go fast enough and things get smooth.
What is occurring in the Yildiz motor, is that myriad field 'bumps' produce copious eddies at very high frequency. His motor has, no doubt, an RPM sweet spot, necessitated by it's current design. A few modifications and his motor is ready for prime time.
Who knows, it might be already....
TS
Dr. J.L. Duarte
was again the guy who made the wind testing in the video
and moderated it all.
He also was on the front of the audience by the earlier
date at Delft university, in the video with the turkish narration.
So he should be contacted, if we want to know more.
Regards, Stefan.
I found these links in the web about the inventor:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm
let me quote some text .... (go to the link the get the whole story)
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Technische Universiteit Eindhoven [Eindhoven Technical University]
Department of Electrical Engineering, Electromechanics and Power
EUT_JD2005_2.doc (7-28-2005)
Experiments on an Apparatus Intended to Generate Electricity without Physical Connections to Other Power Sources by J.J. Duarte
This technical note aims at describing a test I personally conducted in Izmir, Turkey on July 17, 2005. The purpose of the experiment was to check the energy balance with respect to input and output of an apparatus, which was the embodiment of the invention described in international patent WO 2004/091083 A1.
The apparatus was confined inside a metallic box, and I was allowed to inspect everything outside this box. However, in order to protect the core ideas of the invention, I was not supposed to check all the details of the internal parts. According to the inventor the apparatus is predominantly a mechanical system, without any kind of energy storage inside the box like batteries, accumulators, flywheels, combustion motors, chemical or radioactive reactions. I believe the intentions of the inventor were in good faith.
The experimental setup was quite simple, as shown schematically in Figure 1. It consisted of placing the box with unknown contents, from which DC voltages and currents were expected to be generated, on a table in the middle of a room. From the box, a cable with two terminal contacts was available for connecting electrical loads. I placed measurement instruments between the box output terminals and the load. The load consisted of an ordinary AC-DC inverter, this inverter being connected to an incandescent lamp. The working principle of the inverter and the lamp type were not relevant for analyzing the results, because the output power delivered by the box was measured immediately after the output terminals. Photographs of the setup are included in Appendix A.
etc etc.
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I cannot find anything about him claiming to be a fake / scam, but only references about him being in the "scene" with apparently revolutionary ideas and trying to make them known ....
What is going on ? If this guy is a scammer, by now such fact should be known...
On the other side, if he had a "miracle" mechanical / magnetic self-contained power generator back on 2005, even tested by this guy apparently from an university .... well he should be definitely rollin' on money / fame by now!
Weird enough!
It's not rocket science.
No, but then neither is most of what passes for rocket science.
We can wax philosophical about what intellectual property speculators should and shouldn't do all day long....but when night falls, and it's nearing one stroke before midnight as we speak, man's technologies, like his words, will fail him.
A law without spirit, is void. Just as The Spirit, without law, is also made void.
TS
Hey guys,
I am surprised how you guys are wasting such a lot of energy on futile discussions whether this is genuine or not.
The only constructive at this point is to accept this as genuine, and start looking for possible explanations
regarding the magnet configurations shown on the dismantled stator pieces that are displayed in the video.
Am I the only one that find an interesting similarity with some magnet configurations on the stator pieces
and a Halbach array?
Gwandau
... the wires were attached to 4 coils mounted inside the stator housing.
We asked what thy were doing there .
The spokesman /translator told us that the function of these was to keep the rpm on a steady speed.
Without these coils the motor will run itself apart ramping up the rpms to a point that the magnets inside will fly loose and the bearings will break.
Uncontrolled high speed is unwanted in this prototype setup.
Our guess is that he creates back emf in these coils to keep the rpms under control.
Stefan, regarding your concern about the wires seen in the front of the motor, I'm sure you read this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5490-muammer-yildiz.html#post92632 :I think that if a magnet motor works, there is no back EMF in permanent magnets, and the motor will probably continue to accelerate - litterally infinitely. However, the metal plating around the neo-magnets will eventually provide some eddy currents that finally will stop the motor from accelerating - at very high rmp I guess.
I think that's plausible, although it reminds me of Bob Kostoff claiming that without brakes his machine will accelerate so much that it will destroy itself. Later, however, we saw what Bob Kostoff was up to and it was a great disappointment. Unless this is a part of a more complicated game (no one knows what to expect in this controversial OU area of research). Who knows what the real story behind Perendev is as well. I wonder if you recall a couple years ago a fellow from Kazakhstan was inviting me to visit him and see for myself three motors they purchased from Perendev working in his factory just as expected?
P.S. @Cloxxki and @Cherryman, thanks for the links.
Check it out.
There is a download link of detail diagram information of the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWxe_RRo8k
@zerotensor,
Can you say a little more about your spectral analysis. How exactly does it show slowing down and an what the approximate rpm decrease would that show, if rpm's can be determined at all from this?
I did a spectral analysis of the audio from the demonstration. It appears that the machine slows down a little bit. Here is a portion of the spectrogram:I can confirm your findings. There is a peak about 403Hz in the beginning. This is the 2.harmonic distortion due to turbulence from the blades. It is 5 blades, so the rpm starts with 2418 rpm. At the end of the test the frequency peak is at 390Hz. This is 2340 rpm - a reduction of 3,3%. If the coils in the machine is used to prevent high rpm, these coils should get warm and have less influence on the rpm - so the rpm should in fact increase during the test. This does not happen.
It's ten axial rows of magnets placed in a hexagonal pattern with a central magnet in each hexagon. This pattern results in the typical
Perendev displacement setting of 20 degrees. This is a Perendev motor!
If it's a Perendev, then we are loosing our time. Perendev is a scam and the scammer was arrested this week.
I hope it's not a Perendev. But i'm starting to think that it's a hoax... If it was genuine, the inventor should already had made a definitive demonstration, lasting for hours, not minutes.
What's TPTB?"the powers that be" <-- to heck with those creeps.
Hey Vidar,
I just found this (on Perendev, and others) ... I was not aware that magnetic motors "that start to run thru magnetic power" are so common after all ... and all a hoax:
(excerpt, took from: http://www.nuscam.com/perendev.htm )
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I have seen first-hand three magnetic motors running and have written
cost feasibility and reproducibility reports on all three. Two of them
I had in my lab and my staff used the inventors' plans to build several
working replicas. We also went and saw, first-hand, the Perendev
device.
All three designs used "Rare Earth" magnets (Neodymium, or more
correctly stated, Neodymium Iron Boron or NdFeB) and our various
reproductions used NdFeB, SmCo and Ferrite magnets. We did not attempt
to reproduce the Perendev device because of its design proximity to one
of the other two.
The results were always the same: they all run down. Under load, they
run down very quickly. It doesn't take very long for magnets to lose
their magnetism when they are constantly being put in opposition to one
another.
Every magnet has a "maximum energy product" rated in Mega Gauss
Oersteds, MGOe. This is the amount of work a magnet can do before its
level of magnetism has deteriorated to the point that its energy doesn't
reach out far enough to affect anything surrounding it. Contrary to the
popular notion that rare earth magnets are invincible, even the most
expensive sintered NdFeB magnets max out at less than 50 MGOe. If they
are used in a device that puts them constantly in opposition, they will
run down, and this is the whole assumption behind so-called "magnetic
motors".
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So from here it runs down (no pun intended) that any motor filled with magnets in oposing way, would actually work if cleverly placed, but they will run down very quickly (as the sonogram actually shows).
Case is closed folks, it seems...
SigmaX
Two of them
I had in my lab and my staff used the inventors' plans to build several
working replicas.
I agree with the argument that the motor is running down slowly. A short demonstration of his power generating device is useless. That is of course because of the possibility of internal batteries or, like the Perendev device its magnets will run down or be shown to be a fake.
If Mr Yildiz would show a much longer demonstration of the device, it would make for a much more convincing demonstration. I suggest as an absolute bare-bones minimum go for 24 hours. A longer time than 24 hours would be even better. Such an opportunity could arise if Mr. Yildiz is going to be giving a demonstration this May in Germany. Any slowing down of the motor from weakening of its magnets would be more apparent from a longer duration test. Bear in mind, if the device is real and actually goes into production the device would be expected to operate continuously for years on end.
I read that he already got the needed patents
Again, weakening of the magnets, if at all, has no bearing on whether or not this is an OU machine. It will be an OU machine even in the unlikely situation of magnets weakening.
Of course, if there's an internal battery that would be an outright fraud, given the impression he's creating that it's an all-magnet motor (not to me confused with the Steorb's battery driven eOrbo which was demonstrated to be OU, if there were no measurement errors).
Also, do you know it for a fact that the magnets of Perendev device are running down and that it's a fake or you're just repeating what you've heard or read what somebody has said on the internet?
I don't personally know that the Perendev device is a fake or a fraud. However,according to Sterling Allan the German police do. "After reporting on April 14th that Perendev, famous for its all-magnet motor claim and viral video, had closed its doors, I noticed a couple of comments saying that the inventor and CEO, Michael J. Brady, had been arrested.
Finally today, I was pointed to two German newspaper articles that confirmed that he was indeed arrested in Zurich on March 29 and extradited to Germany in answer to a request made by the Public Prosecutor of Munich. He now sits in a jail in Stadelheim"
http://pesn.com/2010/04/24/9501640_Michael_J_Brady_arrested_for_embezzlement/
Keep it honest, guys.
Many times, however, this somebody else can have a large chip on his shoulder.
What??? This motor was already demonstrated in Eindhoven 1 year ago, with the same guy Jorge Luiz Duarte participating in the demonstration?Presentation really took place. Made in meantime a video compilation of my recordings from it and uploaded to youtube. Check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeHXTnEddA4
It's obviously a SCAM!
@MT,It was not a secret, no papers needed to be signed at the door. I got notice about such event through a friend who knew I was a bit into the energy stuff. Just nobody wrote about it here sofar. I myself did not feel comfortable to post it at that time and was just postponing it, maybe waiting for an impuls. When reading about the delft then I decided to publish what I know about it.
Why was the presentation back in 2009 kept so secret ?
Nobody reported at this time about this event...
Hmm..
what was the outcome of it all ?
What did Dr. Duarte tell later to all the people there ?
Was Yildiz only doing this to get new investors ?
Regards, Stefan.
I think that yellow motor was meant to be shown running by itself then taken apart in front of professors and students to prove there are no batteries or other tricks. In my eyes that would be sufficient to claim magnetic motor as self running. The other with ventilator would be then a better version of same technology. There was no follow up, at least not that I know.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this motor with batteries
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Well, Yildiz´s former partner Erol Sert does not talk nicely about him:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=EW0LV63c5vY
He thinks Yildiz just wants to scam new investors only ...
Hmm....
He wrote:
Natürlich ist er bekannt er war mein Partner, aber am besten ist er bei der Staatsanwalt bekannt.
Yildiz braucht wieder Geld.
Bin mal gespannt wem er noch Geld aus der Tasche ziehen wird
(Meine Meinung )Es ist ein Flugzeugbau Elektromotor in der Maschine und Batterien den Rest kann man sich doch denken
Surely Yildiz is know, he was my partner, but he is better also well known from the
prosectutor.
Yildiz needs again money.
I wonder, from which guy he will suck money out of the pocket now.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this with and
the rest you can imagine yourself..
Well, Yildiz´s former partner Erol Sert does not talk nicely about him:Is it just me that is not surprised? Can we again confirm that magnet motors cannot produce energy? How many examples do we have to see before we are convinced that magnets is not the key to free energy?
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=EW0LV63c5vY
He thinks Yildiz just wants to scam new investors only ...
Hmm....
He wrote:
Natürlich ist er bekannt er war mein Partner, aber am besten ist er bei der Staatsanwalt bekannt.
Yildiz braucht wieder Geld.
Bin mal gespannt wem er noch Geld aus der Tasche ziehen wird
(Meine Meinung )Es ist ein Flugzeugbau Elektromotor in der Maschine und Batterien den Rest kann man sich doch denken
Surely Yildiz is known, he was my partner, but he is better also well known from the
public prosecutor.
Yildiz needs again money.
I wonder, from which guy he will suck money out of the pocket now.
In my opinion it is just an airplane like electromotor inside this motor with batteries and
the rest you can imagine yourself..
I don't think there is a hidden batery in this device. How would you look if somebody sees it ? This acrylic rig of his is quite transparent. And in overall, it would be just to lame ;]The rpm is clearly slown down at the next video take. The rpm are too stable at the first few minutes of the video, also in the few minutes of the second take, to determine the process visually. It is too much noise in the background and turbulence of the blades to say exactly how much it slows down during the "stable" rpm period.
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low quality video on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.
Now, you're saying that it slows down a bit in time. How can you say that ? By the spectral analysis of the low on youtube (2 minutes part of a video ) ? Oh please. Yeah, and notice that the other part of the video has a stable RPM, as somebody has posted here.
All in all, I think it's just to soon to bury this A. He's is currently doing everything he can do. He needs investors so he presents the device. He is just in the middle of the patent procedure so he cannot open the device. If he want's to make money with it he just cannot give you everything on the table. And stop talking about open source like it's the best thing to do. It isn't. Every single one of you would firstly replicate it and then go and start a production company. The inventor would remain just an inventor. Yes he will find himself in Wikipedia. Yes he will write a book, start a web page etc. But all of you know, that the only guy who makes the real money is the guy with the first production line. Why cannot it be the inventor himself? Hasn't he earned this ? And if he starts the production company - won't you buy the device ? Won't the environment get better ? It will. So give this guy a break and let him work. If he's a scum you will know that sooner or later. If you don't trust him simply don't invest. But stop blaming him of being a businessman. Sorry for offtopic.Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Airstriker, I agree with your conclusion. After many disillusions with the all magnet motor, this threat is lost in suppositions about their inventors intentions. Give Yildiz a change and look more close to his patent. You can find there a fresh approach in the construction of an inner and outer stator.
Keep the discussions to the point. The patent is clear enough to start a replication. Yes we can!!!
@Airstriker, if that's the way he'd woo investors he'd do better to start a A. Otherwise, the proper way would be to wait until he gets a patent granted and then demonstrate the device properly. The patent is his protection, isn't it? Otherwise why have a patent? Once he has a patent granted the details he's hiding now have to be fully disclosed so that the investors can see what their money is going for. If he doesn't want to disclose anything he should sell it as a trade secret and if he decides to go along that root he has no place in a university, on youtube etc. No one denies him the right to earn money (good luck with the most anti-business project) but that shouldn't be done through scams, hoaxes let alone outright fraud. Shows like the one we're witnessing smells of that rather than of a genuine, honest attempt to attract investors.Sure he can wait. Do you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever. If you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ? He doesn't have to collect any money now. He just makes us hungry. You can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much. And I don't think he will hide something again when the patent is granted. But of course time will tell.
Do you know how long you have to wait till the patent procedure is finished ? 5 years ? More ? Well.. you don't live forever.
If you can attract the investors eyes to the potential product why not do it ?
You can call him a scum - I don't think he cares much.
As for the rpm's slowing down and the "noise"... You forgot about the coils. The coils are there to controll the speed. I don't know his speed controller unit design, do you ? What if it slows down the machine periodically ? Or what if it's not a precise controller unit and it slows down the machine just a bit to much ? Or even what if it's a manual controller unit (just the shorted coils) and the device is continuously slowing down till the operator notices it and "turns off" the coils by hand ? It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a working magnet A. If it really exists, shouldn't it accelerate to the infinity (theoretically of course)? You really have to slow it down in some way. Coils and the changing load sound good for me.
And as for the statement that OU is the most anti-business stuff in the world - why ? If the production line is set it won't stop. Ever. The owner is rich. Forever. Sure - the owner and nobody else. The economy, the global order will change, collape or simply adapt to the situation. For sure they will loose. Many people will loose. War may be ahead. So yes, anti-business stuff, but not for the inventor.
It does seem that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.
It by definition does not work it's a scam.
I wonder if there more to the Perendev similarity then meets theIt doesn't really look like Perendev for me. There are three sets of magnets. Three rings. In Perendev there are only two. Here the whole construction looks more like a magnetic bearing.
eye? Perhaps Mike Brady knew his time was up and so turned his
motor over to someone else to propagate the scam. It does seem
that resistance to accepting these things at face value is
increasing.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Is there any video where he shows how to stop his ?
I wonder if he whacks it by the same hammer in another angle?
If so, then it might just be a simple electrical switch in disguise as mechanical!
What is the longest so far? Is there any reports on this?
The closed bottom section could easily fit the needed for shorter runs!
What is the longest run time so far? Is there any reports on this?In 2005 a motor from this inventor was tested for 5 hours
Or, conversely, it could be that since the waters are so murky these days, he chose to play the 'crypto-key' "card" to avoid tainted associations or arouse unfounded suspicions based on the littany of former fiascos in the mix.
Having seen the patent info, and his A, I believe that he is a serious researcher who is obviously on some of the right tracks.
TS
He may or may not be a fraudster but he certainly is behaving as such.
Hmmm....might be why he's still alive.
Bird's of a feather and all that.....
All you can convict him on at this point, is being guilty of being human. You could try suing him, maybe?.....
::)
TS
People do sue crooks, you know
If he has gone to the dark side, his victims may get the chance.
Unless you guys on the tainted jury pool decide to go all minority report on the guy.
TS
Minority report is irrelevant here
I find that 'here' too, is also often irrelevant. But such is life.
The FE field seems to be caught in some temoral causality loop....
TS
And, who's to blame for that? Don't blame the victims.
Even if Yildiz laid it all on the line, revealing a true FE device, that too would remain irrelevant.
Watch then the powers that be, twitching helplessly.
Several things are for sure in this matter.
Mr Yildiz has a history of non working OU devices in his trail and
has a penalty on his arrest, not so good for credibility.
This slimy guy J.L. Duarte always seems to be around (since long) when
Yildiz is his tricks and he always takes care of questions.
The is never fully assembled.
There has never been any dynamometer test for extended times.
The magnetic arrangement is a fools arrangement. It will not .
If I'm wrong here and motor is tested and found OU I will deeply apologize.
I hope this thread isn't dead. Are there any recent developments? Any where on the web?The reason is simple - it was a scam...
I can't find any new material on this motor. John
The reason is simple - it was a scam...Simply don't say a word if you know nothing about the subject, ok ? There is no info about this to be a scam anywhere, so you have no right to say so !
Me and another user ran a sound analysis of the video and revealed some critical issues. The motor which seams to have constant speed, did actually dropped. The fan that was mounted was reversed - probably to reduce load and expand running time. The motor was never fully disassambled, the inventor has been scamming before. Many things that point in a direction of a classical scam, and the guy and his fellow smells quite fishy... How the story continued from there, I don't know. Just that I know a motor that is based on magnets cannot work is the most obvious evidence this is a scam (making money out of something you cannot deliver)
Vidar
I have schematic for motor generator.
Need to couple to SSG or Rodin coil type setup to charge Battery.
I have schematic for motor generator.
Need to couple to SSG or Rodin coil type setup to charge Battery.
It reminds me of the so-called srcew-motor design and the recent Luis Tonos probable scam. The first never worked in replication and the second most probably neither. Moreover this is not related to Yildiz at all and should be posted at a separate thread for serious review.hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.
The screw motor design:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Screw-Magnet_Motor
The probable Tonos-scam: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Luis_Tonos_%28LT%29_Magnet_Motor
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.Stirling Allen of Peswiki takes the side of the staunch believer. He does no replications checking himself in this case. He has a point that belief in this takes you farther than disbelief. But all the tiresome trials he does not perform. Nor do I do them all. Just a test of principle seemed enough to me, but waterproof that is not. Generally I have little confidence if investors are attracted before any formal confirmation has been accomplished in the form of a replication or otherwise. And there are more criteria to expose scammers. Yildiz certainly scores bad on many of these criteria. But still another attempt to replicate his suggestion might strengthen the case against him. The chance of a succesful replication in his case I guess is smaller than 1%, unless you are a scammer yourself of course.
If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.
Hoax or not.. As long as they can't tax the use; they powers that be (governments etc) will not allow it to become public available.
Thats why we need open source, unstoppable, wide spread designs.
Totally agree!
hmmm... I'm replicating this motor now, will post result.
If you are so sure that it is a scam, why not contact Peswiki and have them remove this motor from their home page, it is featured.
Expect again some non conclusive data...
Yilmiz has a long bad track record...
Don´t invest any money !
And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two.
I've been following this in Pesn, and the announcement in Nexus for the January tests was followed by a string of emails from his assistant making little niggles about the delays and announcement the parts were now on their way to the anonymous university. Then I waited, and waited, and instead of a message about their arrival (they were being sent in separate bits to stop them being intercepted and stolen in full) they've now changed tack saying they've been invited to take it to the Geneva exhibition in April. Not a squeak on the university test and nothing mentioned on this thread either which surprised me considering how closely it has been followed over there.
Unlike the other kit floating around presently I worked out this rough design myself over 30 years ago but not being technically minded kept it as a theory as I don't have the ability or knowledge to convert it to a working model, but obviously anyone putting two magnets together pole to pole will see them fly apart. Set them in a circle to send the movement sideways rather than forwards, and it will power a motor until the magnetism wears off. Having seen the diagram here that appears to be the general construction, and I am amazed if it is as obvious as that we haven't had them for a century or more already. And it wouldn't need Yildiz to finally get his one to a university as any qualified engineer could design and build a small version in a week or two. But if anyone knows where the tests have vanished to and why the emails have dried up on pesn please enlighten us.
(Halil is Mr. Yildiz’ associate)
By Halil TURKMEN
for Pure Energy Systems News
March 9, 2013
Muammer YILDIZ has been working on his invention for 33 years.
During this long period, he has faced so many difficulties. And thanks to
GOD, he is still alive and keeps on going, till the end, for his
inventions, in order to serve the people with his projects.
As you can imagine easily, there is a huge interest of people, companies,
governments, investors so on. But the main problem is that, more than 90%
of these are having masks on their faces. They don’t show their real faces
and intentions till the last moment.
All these years gave YILDIZ the experience to see the faces behind the
masks. But he believes that one day, he will be able to work with the
people who are 100% honest.
It’s not a problem of money. Because YILDIZ never asks money for himself.
He is the inventor, but he doesn’t accept money from anyone for his
pocket. He needs the money to pay to WIPO, to pay to translators, lawyers,
material shops, etc. These are the amounts that are asked by the
professionals from him. He always says: “I am not a scientist, engineer,
financialist or a lawyer… I am just an inventor… I need professional help
to improve this technology, make it produced all over the world, make it
possible to be used by all world’s population; and all I need fordoing
this, is the loyalty of the people.”
He believes in GOD. He prays to GOD every time and he thinks that this
invention is a gift from GOD, given to him. And he tries to give this gift
to all the people. The owner is GOD, we are just users.
The 30 day tests were offered by the university professors. If not, we
would be able to do the 3 day tests in Izmir, in January 2013. And we
wouldn’t face the negative comments till today.
YILDIZ accepted the requests of the university to make the tests in
Europe, instead of Turkiye. And he also accepted the duration of 30 days,
instead of 3 days. But the university (till now) didn’t give the exact
date to make the start. And because of this reason, we still have to face
the negative comments.
As we have spoken to you on Skype, the university has some additional
requests that are not acceptable. And we now see clearly that the
university wants to delay the tests. Maybe they are not 100% free. Maybe
they have fear or somebody or something. Or maybe they have other
intentions, aims that they didn’t say before.
Now, we have 30 days till the expo in Geneva. We are invited there by the
government. And with God’s permit, we will be there. It won’t be a
laboratory environment but people will have the opportunity to see him and
his invention. Till the expo, it may not be possible to have a university
test; but as I mentioned above, it was not because of us, but because of
the university.
As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!
We do not offend anyone. We don’t want to. If not, it would be so easy to
announce the names of the companies or the people, or the universities who
tried to negotiate till now.
If we had the aim to offend the university, we could pronounce the name of
the university. We didn’t even pronounce the city or the country of the
university. If not, all the professors, and their families would be under
pressure of the media, the companies and the people. Even in their daily
lives, or on the net etc. We didn’t do it. Because it is not the goal.
The goal is FREEDOM; for YILDIZ, for us, for everyone in the world. To
change the world all together, in a better way. Save the environment, save
our children’s future, and have HEAVEN here on earth. Because of this
goal, we are now living in Hellish conditions. I see many devils around.
But I am sure that I will be enough against them, even being alone.
Like YILDIZ, I am not a scientist, nor an engineer. I am an architect. I
work voluntarily for this project. My aim is to use his inventions for the
handicapped people, for the kids and the old people; so it means for all
the people. Because we are all potentially handicapped. We have so many
futuristic projects with YILDIZ, and the magnetic motor is just the
beginning. We see that some of the people are not ready even for the
magnetic motor, then it is better not to announce the other projects for
now; not yet. If not, most of the people may think that we are crazy. I
assure you that I am crazier than they can imagine. But I am also sure
that, they will go crazy when they will be able to see his other projects
with their own eyes.
I receive hundreds of messages everyday. And I am not capable to answer
all of them on time. Since 2010 (after seeing the motor for the first time
at Mr. YILDIZ’s house) all my phone calls are listened and recorded. My
internet connection is under control. My house is under observation. These
are normal. I don’t comment negatively. Everybody’s doing his/her job.
Even the listeners, even the observers are paid for doing their jobs. The
important point is that, every person has the good part and the bad part
inside. And the aim is to live with the good part; keep the good part
alive. I try to do this way. When I receive the negative comments, I feel
bad. Because I am sure of the invention; I am sure of myself; but some
people are having problems in themselves and try to offend us. With
negative comments, they give harm to the feelings of the other people.
They don’t have this right. It’s not freedom. I was sick for the last 3
days, and I couldn’t look at the internet during these days. After this
period I see that the net is full of messages and they think that I am
here, seeing the messages but not answering them. The truth is, I am also
a human being. I must help to my son who is 7 years old, my wife who is
pregnant, and my parents who are 68 and 77, and at the same time YILDIZ.
Since August 30th I am unemployed, and I have to work for my family using
home-office, in order to pay our bills etc. I enjoy spending my time for
BSMH project, but in 3 years, I lost the health of my eyes. They don’t let
me to work so much. After 1-2 hours, I feel terrible, and I cannot
continue to work.
After the expo, I am sure that we can build up a professional organization
as BSMH Company, here in Izmir. And I will be able to share this job with
the professionals. Our aim is to set Mr. YILDIZ totally free in his
laboratory, for 24 hours, in order to work for his projects.
In these days he is so busy because of the phone calls and the messages
that he receives from everyone (the governments, investors, companies,
banks etc) His job must not be this. He is the inventor, and he must work
freely to develop his inventions. The rest must be done by the
professionals. In the correct way; not in a way that will harm the
project, or the people.
Our personal aim, till the expo in Geneva, is to apply to WIPO, getting
the PCT for the “Starter, Controller, and Changer” parts of the motor (the
parts that weren’t patented before). In these days, we are busy solving
the financial problems to make these applications. If we can, we may take
a good deep sleep after all those years. The technical tests are so easy
to pass, but I think some people are not able to pass the “patience test”
of GOD, during this period.
I want to thank everyone who is sending good wishes, collaboration offers,
offers of help, and so on. Please excuse me, that I cannot respond to
every message on time (hundreds of them everyday). I will try to find a
solution to inform all the people daily. And we hope to set up a better
web page that is useful for the handicapped people.
Thanks again to everyone. We will do it all together.
Yours, Halil
people will have the opportunity to see him and his invention.
As you know, there are several other universities that want to do the
test, but at first, they must accept the terms of YILDIZ. He must be
totally sure of their loyalty. And till today no one, no group, no
company, and no investor could give the 100% guarantee or show the courage
of signing an agreement with him. You may guess why. Because we are coming
to change the world!
Sure they will but I bet that he won't open the machine at all to prove that it isn't a scam.It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
I am very curious to read that exact agreement, what exactly is being requestedThey just ask that the part which are not allready patented stay secret. For me that seems justified as these parts will depend of industry agreements diversity. I had mail contact with Delft professor and he was not frustrated at all by these restrictions, he understands the Yildiz point of view. And me too, even if I'd like to do one my-self. But if you look at Minato wheel, you will find a lot less usefull information than on the Yildiz, and the Minato is already a product, not a pdf like Johnson motor with old HDD magnets.
It was already open in Delft in Nederlands (http://youtu.be/epLOEaoPMFU).
You have to apply 5th Toltec agreement "Be skeptical but Listen!". it is easy to spread doubt and rumors on the Internet. It will be less easy to stop them.
I advice you to practice all the 5 agreements, we will have a better Internet and society.
If you look at this topic http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1605, at message N° 5 you will see that we have a member how will go in Geneva to see. Sorry its in French, but google can translate.
Tell that member to not waste his time, Yildiz will not let him see the bottom half of the machine or do anything worthwhile to clean the scam stamp.I feel our member a lot more positive than you. It is not correct to emit rumor without having read all existing information, and not take the offered opportunity to see yourself.
That motor body will be 14 cm in diameter and about 21 cm long, and will be powering a 25 cm diameter fan. So do the math on how long it should run using any kind of known energy storage mechanism. I bet you will see two things: 1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishing, and 2) it won't be able to run for more than a few hours. So really, even one full day of demonstrating the technology running continuously should be more than enough to satisfy the scientists
But at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stopping
From http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf
it seems to be evident from the achieved results that the invention working principles go beyond a conventional technology based on hidden batteries to supply the necessary energy to run the motor.
If you had read everything existing, you have known that the not open part of the machine is the part motor/generator. It is normal that his system needs a minimum speed to be an OU motor.That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.
Have you seen the videos. Have you try to imagine the size of a battery necessary to launch the engine and continue to run this fan.There are very small and powerfull batteries nowadays.
1) it won't be able to run at a constant speed without diminishingIt has already been proved in their video that the motor starts losing power.
But at the Geneva expo, Yildiz intends to demonstrate the motor running continuously for four days without stoppingCan't wait for that.
What the Yildiz team has made to you that you want prejudice form them?Nothing at all, just telling how things are, maybe interested investors or buyers (like you)
"It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom." -- Albert EinsteinI can also use quotes but it won't lead anywhere, unless the intent is only to discredit someone's skepticism or beliefs.
“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former“ ~Albert EinsteinAre you not human? E.T., divinity, avatar ?
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor."Do you know anything about magnetic vortex? His inner rotor is a screw which is going to create magnetic field for other layers. If you have another solution to create a rotating field than with motion, please let we know, I am very interesting.
why doesn't he take care of people willing to prove him right by replication?Why, is easy to understand. Give to somebody the way and it is him how will published and copyright the map. Look at that http://www.nuenergy.org/theoretical-self-sustaining-permanent-magnet-motor/. It is now Johnson and Minato how have put patent on another experimenter solution.
That is just not true, if what he says is real then he doesn't need any type of motor.Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
Have you ever done any hands-on research involving magnet motors, or any other type of motors? Can you give some links to your own work?And you?
is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be trueI never sayed it exists or not, i just like to see people beeing correct until Geneva Yildiz proof. Wait and see. If the Yildiz motor can run in the middle of a parking during 4 days without external electricity, for my need it is enough, and I will buy one of the first ones, if not too expensive. Having 4 days power without any noize, and no other power, it is a SCAM that I am ready to pay for this SCAM. Relaunching every 4 days is ok for me.
I can make up all kinds of theories about why my invisible pink unicorns are able to fly so stealthily and bring me my groceries.... is it then up to YOU to provide absolute proof before you tell me that this cannot be true, or are you just an Internet troll?If you plan to let us see, I come, and I will not open your invisible pink unicorns (Is it invisible or pink?). If it is invisible I do not come.
Before saying that somebody is a liar, you have to bring proof. Otherwise you are just an Internet troll.
I you do not consider youself to be better than J. Duarte, you have to read http://www.bsmhturk.com/modelling-yildiz-motor.pdf. If you think that you are better, you have to say why?
so sorry if I don't take the word of a brazillian that acts like a politician when he has no excuse to be.
And you?
(snip)
The Duart how did the expertize is not Brasilian but Dutch, and he is professor in Delft University in Nederland.
why are you arguing with me? I am not arguing for Yildiz, but for better WEB forums. If Yildiz technology is a SCAM, I well want to know, but you cannot say that before the Geneva exhibition. Even if it WAS a SCAM, perhaps now he has found the good settings, as he plan a lot of settings in his conception. And my small expérience has already see me that just a bad place magnet can broke the principle by creating a magnetic well.
I honestly do not think that he will come back with a fail. It is my intuition, but of course intuition is not a proof.
And I already put some money for his trip.
M.Yildiz was scan by vital energy specialist and himself does not think his project as a scam. Of course you think that vital energy (like reïki for example) is also a SCAM. But on this thema I have enough proof for myself that it is real.
If Sterling only gets open source pattent, it will be a success. Like this every body will get opportunity to reproduce and think on reality, not just miss patience.
TinselKoala, I hope that in your country judges are not like you. I see most guilty guys then you are guilty.
I do not know what is PJH Quenco. But if it is another low power generator, it is not what I need. I need around 5kVA generator, every days, with no noize, minimum maintenance and no pollution. Sun and wind connot be solution because it is in middle of wood. Now it is a noizy thermique alternator, with pollution and regular tank filling.
I will stop my posts here on this thread. It is sterile.
I'll wait to go myself to Geneva.
get us a duplicate blade or part # some "tube" dimensions and Ambient temp [humidity would be nice too]at time of test ~ We'll do the rest [Its called a "control"]
Silly silly boyz...........
enough of this silliness.... one of you fellows ask "Sterlinga" for the blade part number.
The tinMan uses blades all the time for a torque load.as a matter of fact they're very good for this. [provided you stay in spec [no cavitation]
MH Keep your bathroom scales and personal hygiene products ,.......you time the run... you get the RPM
get us a duplicate blade or part # some "tube" dimensions and Ambient temp [humidity would be nice too]at time of test ~ We'll do the rest [Its called a "control"]
END OF STORY!!
Thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Edit reason : added a "Ster" and removed a "stupid"~
Of course even such a blade could be used as an aerodynamic load _as long as it is calibrated_ by running it from a known motor dissipating a known amount of power. (run the calibration motor with no load at a certain RPM and record its power consumption. Add the blade and run to the same rpm, record data. The difference will be the power dissipation at that RPM of the blade alone. Then move your blade to the motor under test and run to the same RPM.... and you will know how much power your DUT is providing to the shaft. Of course you may not have control of the RPM of the DUT, so you will need to prepare a calibration nomograph using several different RPM values from your calibration motor system.
the important question is what kind of physics are behind the motor action if not a scam.its either a violation of 1st law thermodynamics or 2nd law thermodynamics.im going to rule out a 1st law violation and go with the 2nd and say its some kind of assymetry in the isothermal magnetic cycle of events.a part of the magnets must be cooling down and sucking in ambient heat here.Profitis-If the Yildiz magnet motor actualy worked as claimed,you will find that it is not breaking any laws of physic's as set by nature-only those that man has set sofar.These law's of physics set by man are far from absolute,but only what he knows today to be true.
On April 02, 2013 5:23 AM [MDT], Halil wrote:From
<blockquote>Sorry that I cannot get out of the bed, because of having 39 degrees of fever for 2 days.
I called YILDIZ and got the info :
The motors have a diameter of approximately 35-40 cm
The shaft is 45 cm long, 17 mm thick
The propeller stays 5-10 cm far from the motor’s face
The propeller has a diameter of 40,6 cm
The codes on the propeller are as follows : 406×254, 16×10
I hope this info can help you. The propeller is just a simple one. There is no further info on it.
There may be also other propellers that are suitable to be found at the air model shops. But I don’t know the way to mount them on the shaft.</blockquote> On April 02, 2013 2:25 PM [MST] Halil added:
<blockquote>I think, it’s this one : http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html (http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html)</blockquote> I asked him to give us info on the number of blades, their pitch, and ideally the manufacturer, make, model. A photo would be nice, too. [I've asked him to confirm that the above link is the actual blade.]
April 3, 2013; 7:40 am update: Halil sent an email last night saying that that link (http://www.zkauf.de/apc-luftschraube-16-x-10-elektro-propeller-406-x-254-in-cm-e160824977061.html)above is indeed the same blade he will be using.
Both pitch and diameter affect how much output power the motor must produce to turn the propeller at a given rpm. The following equation shows the relationship between motor output power (also called shaft power, or propeller input power), rpm, pitch, and diameter:
power = k * rpm^3 * diameter^4 * pitch
The factor k depends on the units used to express power, pitch, and diameter, and also on characteristics of the propeller such as the airfoil it uses, its overall shape, thickness, and so on. For power in Watts, and diameter and pitch in inches, k is about 5.3×10^-15 for an average model airplane propeller.
Quote from TK:Sure. They were the ones that arranged for his trip and provided the money for it, but they wouldn't let him take a working demo model across the border. Happens all the time. At least with "free energy" devices... they do not travel well. Not even from Dublin to London, much less from Turkey to Geneva.
"I'd say 5 or ten Watts at 2600 RPM isn't too out of line. It certainly does NOT take half-a-horsepower to do it."
I read that Yildiz tried to bring a third larger demonstration model that delivered the 1/2 h.p. with him, but the Turkish Patent Office apparently prevented him from crossing the border with it.
TK:
You are right, I hadn't thought about the whole panorama of research into propellers, and measurements on propellers. I still have to remind myself that they use electric motors these days. I only ever fantasized about RC planes.
It's still "fun" to think about using scales though. When I get reincarnated as Richie Rich I will have a big lab with all the fun stuff and I will invite Dot over.
MileHigh
I find it quite amazing that they seem to run at home for years at a time,but when at a public show they dont even run for a day without something going wrong.This seems to be the norm for all so called OU devices when it comes to public viewings or test.
a lithium ion bat can definitly power this prop for weeks,even the aluminum casing if wet with electrolyte inside can power it galvanicly for weeks but would yildiz go thru all this trouble if that is the case? Madness
photo below courtesy of
Physics Prof
I found the meter used to measure RPM's - it also can measure temperature (non-contact):
http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16 (http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=21&prodid=16)
It is seen in one of the vids from 10 April. Note the reading - 1517 (RPM), for this run at about 3pm on 10 April.
would have to be "shaft speed" !Good thing I don't have a cat, or I'd try it.
OK ,so take your little flying beasty chain it to the pitnit table ,place a tube over the prop
and play with the output flow ?
Or you could just take your vacuum cleaner and suck up the cat {clog it} or put it on Blow and put your hand on the end.
Listen to the motor ??
does it sound like its coasting??
We can clearly see someone Laser Taching off the rear section of the axel. Definitly reading shaft speed.Can you give the link to where that can be seen? I can't stand to watch any more of those fracking ads looking for it. This is the most boring demo ever.
yes @tinselkoala but if we just had a infrared snapshot of the whole device we could tell if a battery is embedded in the motor because it would show up as a hotter part of the image where the bats are located.if it showed the case of the motor as cooler than ambient then i would tend to rule out batteries and start to think in terms of a 2nd law violation.I have nothing against data; the more the merrier. I think there's a lot of thermal mass in that thing, though, and you might not be able to pick up a battery's heat through all that stuff. X-rays, CAT scan, backscatter, there are lots of ways but do you seriously think Yildiz would permit anyone to use them?
Can you give the link to where that can be seen? I can't stand to watch any more of those fracking ads looking for it. This is the most boring demo ever.
Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva is not functioning right. I know something would happen to 'disturb' the 5 day continous running. This validation is not going to happen. The list of fraudy FE inventors will become longer by Yildiz contribution. Do we have to go on with giving attention to his 'invention'? I did know something was going wrong with this.
It started at 2600 rpm, then went up in speed to 2673, then down and up that range for about 3 hours.
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
:)
not simple tuning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S46QPophJbo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jqauNrHB8&list=UUnF2pFCQbYgxmqx3imNsTCQ&index=9)
Hi TKMark, I don't have a "low opinion" of you. I just think that you should share with your public, when you report on your trips and investigations, where the money came from to fund the trip and investigation. You don't have to be specific, just categorical: I paid for this trip and expenses myself with my own money, My sponsor or a group of interested potential investors paid for this with their money, The claimant paid all or part of the trip and expenses as part of his/her "validation".
there is also some other possibilities.
1. A wind up spring lol (with enough tension anything is possible)
2. The device actually runs on magnets until they are exhausted (unlikely)
3. That many of the magnets are batteries in disguise (rather cool)
Of course there is the question of the mysterious controller Box
For the record I have been calling this one fraud for years, and one of the main reasons I have been banned of free energy news.
I have never seen any magnetic motors running self looped, or any other device that could sustain itself long enough to discount other energy sources.
I do enjoy your posts (despite your low opinion of me)
Kind Regards
Mark (Thailand at the moment)
The nice collection of images from the disassembly misses the fact that the motor was not _completely_ disassembled at that demonstration. From what I understand, the entire lower half remained assembled, and only the bits that you see actually in those images were removed and passed around for inspection. Since it's made of identical modules.... that should be sufficient, right? Besides it's nearly time for lunch and Yildiz has a plane to catch....etc etc etc. Nobody, or at least nobody who is talking, perhaps not even Duarte, has actually seen the _whole thing_ disassembled. If you doubt this... why, if it was taken apart at Delft or Eindhoven, did Yildiz have to go hide in a closet for twenty minutes before being able to start it the first time at this demo? After all--- we've already seen the parts, right?
Right.
Crazycut:
That was a very astute observation on your part. It makes you wonder if the Yildiz team told Sterling that there was a brake holding back the motor because it always wants to turn. It certainly doesn't look like that from your observation. Or did Sterling just assume that the motor always wants to turn after being told there was a brake inside the mechanism?
If one subscribes to the theory that the motor is being powered by batteries, then there is a possible explanation for starting and stopping the motor with a hammer and the alleged braking system. The possible explanation is that using the hammer is just theatrics to disguise the throwing of an on-off switch. The hit of the hammer also disguises the sound from the switch.
MileHigh
@crazy: do you mean the action that happens right at 7:34?
That is a standard model airplane "traction" propeller, it is designed to spin counterclockwise viewed from the front and blows air backwards. If it is rotated clockwise it will push the air forwards. The weird part isn't in the direction, but that it moves at all. I too thought that the thing was supposed to be "locked" by whatever starting mechanism is used, but apparently not. But then, the motor is under repair, so who knows if it is actually in running condition in that video.
It's fun to watch them with their little iphone magnetometers, isn't it? Kind of like a couple of children playing house, pretending to bake a cake using paper cups and a cardboard oven.
@sarbot,yeah thats the whole point man.to produce eddy currents at the precise location at precise time.this thing wouldnt work without interplay of eddies.a 2nd law thermodynamics violation requires current and magnetism to interplay in pulses much like an inductor core.
Take in advance this: Yildiz simply is a scam!!
Only 2 calls were enough, and did not need to do this whole charade!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b-MSiQTXIG0)
http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979 (http://www.overunity.com/5011/david-hamel-generator/msg107979/#msg107979)
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf)
Hi Joule Seeker
Thank you for sharing your experience
The device I demonstrated in Holland is only in the micro-watts, not even a milli-watts.
I will leave out LENR out of the following statements as there appears to be something worth researching further:
1. I and many others I know have never seen a device demonstrate any over-unity or a self running closed loop system.
2. I have never seen a self running magnetic motor that did not run without the assistance of another energy input
3. I have never seen a gravity or buoyancy device self run long enough where other inputs could not be discounted
4. i have never seen any evidence that a noble gas engine could run with more output than input
5. I have never seen any technologies sterling has listed, reported on that have held up to the claims.
This does not mean nothing is out there, just that the history has not been kind
Hope that is helpful
Kind Regards
Mark
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So, as I said before, the geneva expo would be the final conclusion to wether Yildiz is a scammer or not and it has showed us that he is indeed a scammer.Did you go to Geneva?
The motor kept having problems over and over again when until the expo it never had a single problem, they had a backup motor (a smaller one) but it was not fit for work demonstration instead it was purely for visualization only.
The live feed never went up with the intent of showing the motor runing non-stop with excuses that in the first day the internet there wasn't good enough so they got a better one and... nothing, no live feed again.
No tests were conducted during the moments where the motor batteries had juice, again no scientific results were delivered.
With all this scam and tactics to avoid showing the truth about the machine it ended up making it the final nail in his coffin and along with it the PesWiki network has lost a huge amount of donators and people that were actually looking forward to decent reports, instead they were giving "christian hope" talk and a truly biased person that is fully promoting a scam, probably even getting a share of the money from Yildiz (wouldn't doubt it after what happened).
Case closed, Yildiz is a scammer, J.Duarte is another proof that Brazillians are into free energy scams again and Sterling has lost his credibility.
I am sad to say that I was right all along, a machine concept like that is really something that I truly want to be made reality but history and science prevails strong for another day.
In fact, I don't know very much but maybe.
Did you go to Geneva?
Me yes, one car travel day, and I saw a working magnet engin. Not like mine that always finish to stop without I want.
But I also saw physician professor that was not able to present any argument to the Dutch camera, but continue to criticize without taking any risc that they get any proof of his missing of open mind in the future.
But forum are also like this. It is easy to stay hidden and criticize without knowledge.
I can say like Gallilée about the earth "and yet it rotates".
just take an infrared shot of it while its working mark.if its cooler than ambient on one side of the disk then its definitly a 2nd law bust.
Dear All,
Very whise? words from every one here!
Can some one than also explain, why the coins are sticking at the outside of his Magnet-Motor?
Kind regards,
Johan Oostrom
www.oostrom-technics.com (http://www.oostrom-technics.com)
http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL (http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL)
Maybe that work because of an gyroscopic effect is present, this video can be an answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OWRyYYX7JxE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OWRyYYX7JxE)
In fact, I don't know very much but maybe.
just take an infrared shot of it while its working mark.if its cooler than ambient on one side of the disk then its definitly a 2nd law bust.
No proof, no tests, no fully open after working motor, not a dime. In fact there is a lot of proof that it is in fact a scam.My dog is able to hunt; I never need to open it to see how.
I have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.[/qoute]Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with M.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
I have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with J.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Why won't it stop instantly when the break is activated?
Hi DomiChiI was in Geneva, and for me it was evident that I will not put my fingers in the fan.
There is no evidence presented by Yilditz or his merry band of cool aide drinkers that he has something working.
Until he does, and tested in forms acceptable to the community at large then he is of no significance except to those persons he has taken money from in the past.
keep the dream alive
Mark
The fact that a simple test like this is never done is implicit proof that this is a scam.No, it is just a proof that people like you, do not help M.Yildiz to find fund to build industrial product.
My dog is able to hunt; I never need to open it to see how.
On this forum, everybody is able to criticize, but nobody have ability to propose something working better than the M.Yildiz engine.
I try myself to build a magnet engine, and on the small Yildiz engine I recognized in Geneva (because I went in Geneva palexpo) magnet motor behavior. I have a long career in industry in electrotechnic, and the Yildiz engine has not the behavior of any kind of electrical engine that I know.
If you tread Yilidiz as hustler without any proof, I can say the same about you all rumor maker(s). And I ask myself if it is not you (perhaps only one person) which are paid buy fuel company to avoid that free energy solution may born. You, honest people, think about that.
All these scam hunters are all hidden troll on this forum.
But if you are so well informed about battery having so much power, I'd like that you give reference of these batteries. And also electronics that allow simulate the magnet motor behavior without heating.
When you sayQuoteI have spoken with 7 (seven) professors of TU Delft, and 1 (one) professor of TU Eindhoven, and all confirmed the same thing: the Yildiz motor´s is a BIG FAKE.[/qoute]Why these courageous professors do not post an interview on Youtube on their names, not again behind a troll avatar. But if what you say is true (I have doubt) Yildiz need to change to more professional team (but I had a talk with M.Duart and other Dutch people in Geneva and I do not hear what you say).
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Shadow is certainly a good pseudo for you. No consistency, only avoid that somebody else gets the light.
No, it is just a proof that people like you, do not help M.Yildiz to find fund to build industrial product.
We have to spend more money on proof (Sterling travel) than to have good ball bearings and mechanical engineer in Yildiz team.
Do you know risk investor? With your comment they will not invest on OU system.
Mister Shadow I preconize to you that you applie the 5 Toltec agreements. Specialy the 5th. They were translated in almost all language.
And magicians can make elephants disappear out of thin air, doesn't mean its real. You make the worst comparissons possible, a animal compared with a mechanical motor.
Why do you need to open it if we can external see that it works.
I have the history of scammers and the lack of any evidence brought by Yildiz to prove that you are wrong, what do you have? Nothing beside pure belief, just like Sterling.
Want to find out the truth? Just record the motor under a thermal view camera after 3 hours of continuous work, I am pretty sure that the bottom of the machine will get a bit hot with all those laptop batteries. If it is true then the entire motor should have the heat signature uniform since it is all symetrical. Food for thought.
You recognize the motor behaviour and that makes you believe that he is talking the truth? Perendev's motor also has the exact same stopping behaviour, what does that tell you? Isn't Perendev anymore of a scammer because of that? Ask Yildiz why did he lied when he said that some of the "1200" magnets broke when the machine doesn't even hold more than 250 and ask him why didn't anyone invested in him after seeing such miraculous machine. I am really curious about that.
With this paragraph, i can see that that you do not spend long time to document yourself about the M.YILDIZ engine. Look at the drawings and you will see all the magnets at 3 levels.
When I speak about magnetic engine behaviour and you answer that, I see that you do not spend long time with magnetic engine. For me the behaviour of a magnetic engine is the stick point not the start or stop.
You are comparing a continuous load motor to a start/stop combustion motor, it is purely an ignorant comparisson. According to what Yildiz said the machine is always on magnetic load and the brake is used to hold that stationary or release it into rotation.
I never compare combustion motor with magnetic motor, you take me for a baby, and you are not able to correctly read, I write with gear disengage, I compare brake on mechanical inertie.
I have poor mechanical understanding of brake efficiency? As far as I know a mechanical brake that is engaged with a swift hammer striker is suppose to put the entire system to a halt at that moment, not letting it slowly stop on its own as if the batteries were turned off. Watch some more perendev motors and see how alike they both stop.
Do you know whick kind of break it is? Then say it, that I can laugh. Because you always make asuption withouttaking time to know. Do you realy think that the break is a stop step? Then in addition you are a poor mechanical engineer. Have you seen that on your car you have to push on a button to remove hand brake? No idea that it can be the same?
Again I have more proof that he is a scammer
You have nothing because you do not read the minimum information on this engine. In what you said I have the proof. To be a credible oil company troll, you have to better prepare youself in reading documentation.
and none of you "believers" have anything except the claims of the Yildiz's team and fancy sideshow videos
You are wrong, I was in Geneva. And when they try to stop the engine with hand by tightening the free part of the shaft, they do not succeed. They have to use the break.
with coins on top and magnet readings. Remember the video showing him runing a small "electric" car with only his motor? Why would he do that and then say that load tests couldnt be conducted due to the shaft main bearing being weak? Where is our 30 day tests that he promised?
You had to come in Geneva, I have been delighted to see a scam hunter put his hand into the fan.
Dodge dodge dodge until more people fall for the scam.
@milehigh,yes he couldve done that but it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor in the motor casing.he has to prove to his investors,not us,that therz no power source inside there.to us he just has to show the fan turning nonstop without stopping,and without interference,without slowing, for a coupla weeks,a steorn setup without one single break or inteference wouldve been great.he fell short by not preparing adequately long beforehand to ensure zero breaks,interferences in this demo.paranoia about theft was also not advantageous here.When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
and stop trying to convince everyone else that knows better.Better know to create a rumor, but what else? Have you ever built some working system, and not only in OU?
Mister Shadow I preconize to you that you applie the 5 Toltec agreements. Specialy the 5th. They were translated in almost all language.
Why do you need to open it if we can external see that it works.That is ignorance of the highest level, just because you see that it works doesn't mean that it works the way that he claims, he could even have hamsters inside and it would work too. What a retard statement.
Better know to create a rumor, but what else? Have you ever built some working system, and not only in OU?
On another forum: magnetosysnergie.com a member has taken time to model the magnetic flow in the M.Yildiz engine. I was with this member in Geneva, he was as convince as me.
On the engine there was a film showing magnetic fields at engine outside. But perhaps have you miss this part in the Allan Youtube video.
When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
I went there for me, and to support M.Yildiz and not for close mind people.
In France we have a proverb that says “you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey”.
For me and people with me at Geneva, this engine has to progress in mechanical conception and marketing, not in principle.
For now, I loose to much time on this not thirsty donkey forum.
he could even have hamsters inside and it would work too.How old are you to have this kind of speech.
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing he has a close relationship with the person or organization. "Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology), to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. "Plant" and "stooge" more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization
I have built working systems and never claimed they were OU because they aren't, unlike you.It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
How old are you to have this kind of speech.
It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
OU exits for a long time ago, 5000 years, read this http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf. It is water not magnet.
DomiChi:I can have the same remarks, what is the real trade mark of this forum, Shell, Total, Texaco ?
Quite honestly you sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show. Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
Since English is not your first language, here is the definition of a shill:
MileHigh
Our dear Sterling has posted today a new article entitled: 35+ Reasons Why I think Yildiz's Magnet Motor Really Works.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works)
It might as well read: 35+ Reasons to Invest Your Hard-Earned Money In This Wonderful Machine.
It's a pretty sad, sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY0z-BKhefY)
I saw Duarte demonstrate to someone that when stopped, the blade is under tension of the brake, not easy to turn. (I asked Yildiz if I could try moving it for myself, but he declined. He may have not understood what I was asking. He may have interpreted my hand signals as a request for him to run the motor again.)
All responded the same thing: is a scam, is a trick, is a fake, etcIn my career I had also contract with universities. If these Universities had not better confidential respect, I’d not only stop the contract but also asks lawyers interventions. If it’s true, I understand that M.Yildiz will change validator to warrant confidentiality before patent.
DomiChiYou say nothing to me with that. I have a friend how is physician professor in high scholl. I could never let him admit water memory (http://www.chigot.fr/H2OMemTo5thDim/Omemory.html), even if L.Montagnier Nobel price for Sida had expériment it.
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
DomiChiIn your last posts I saw no proof, and you not have seen the Yildiz motor in Geneva like me.
I worked and ran several sections of a university for many years. I also work with scientists and engineers with great reputations. All of us unanimously reject Yildtiz as a person not interested in the truth, or testing in manners acceptable by the greater community. He is interested in being the center of attention and scamming good people out of money. Sterling Allen is not much better.
So your speculation about peoples character has little value and shows your ignorance.
Have Yiltitz allow his motor to be tested in a professional way then you may have something to claim. until then this si just a waste of time.
Kind Regards
Mark
yo yo detruchos,relax senjor,you sound like a rabid priest,stick with the facts man,ther is absolute zero evidence of fraud here,and zero evidence of non-fraud,lets leave it at that ok?the demo sucked,other than that nobody knows shit.
In my career I had also contract with universities. If these Universities had not better confidential respect, I’d not only stop the contract but also asks lawyers interventions. If it’s true, I understand that M.Yildiz will change validator to warrant confidentiality before patent.I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
And if it is true what you say, it is also a criterion to not choose these Universities as partner for others projects. That gives me a big doubt about these people professionalism. Then about of the validity of these post.
Dear Dominique,
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Kling from TU Eindhoven I know personally, and he will never say it is a scam before talking to me.
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Regards,
-jorge
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Ridiculing and twisting another person's words is always the way fools argument when they know they are wrong.What are you speaking about?
Another post which prove that you do not know your subject.
Jorge, is Jorge Duart from Nederland University which have worked on Yildiz test. He just reacts to my mail where I say that if true, other people of the team speaking against the project, is not serious. But it is not true. It is another slander on this forum.
In France we have laws against calumny.
What are you speaking about?
Hi Shadowpt
You forgot to mention Sterling on another is fund raising effort to recover $2500 extra expenses on the trip (he does not list them)
he has no choice but to list 35 reason why it must work or no one will give him funds.
Last year he took over $5000 for the South African Device and used it for his new house. people will always support him and people like Yilditz because they want to believe.
Look at JR he took over 1 million dollars before the police caught up with him.
Sterling gets commissions and benefits promoting these people, in many countries that would make him guilty.
Kind Regards
Mark
Of course Jorge "the liar" Duarte will deny it all, he wants the scam to work.You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.
You continue with calumny. I will let other forum readers to apreciate the added value of your arguments.
I will never visit that website again.Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
Rats leave the ship, but the ship will arrive to its destination without them.
This website will loose nothing when I see the quality of your arguments in all your last posts, and calumny that moderator let on line.
I think you have not enough live experience to know the difference between saying I am not convinced, and to say that somebody is a liar.
It is only calumny if the affected person can prove that what he is being accused of is a lie (on realistic facts of course). So far he hasn't proved anything.For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
For that you have to contact him, if you are not just an avatar like your pseudo (shadow gives long about you).
And why don't you post on PESwiki about Allan incompetence and not here. Easy to be a shadow, protected behind its screen.
I went to see Yildiz en Geneva, if you are not in Europe but in US, you can go to see Allan, he is not a ghost like you. And he invests himself to try to go to a better future.
I am not the advocat of Yildiz, nor Sterling, but you are unfair, and I am allergic on unfairness. Try a little to image that you are them, what will you do better?
As we cannot redo past this question is for your future. You are welcome to make an over unit system. At least try. If you are not an handy mechanical, try the R.Vialle system http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/ you have also the physician theory at http://youtu.be/Fqt3gC0qvRM with English subtitle.
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas. Because that is how you can validate your claims without showing the so "secret" parts of the machine.It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.
But if NASA help YildizYEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
LOL What the hell are you even saying? You are not making any sense at all now.
I have no time to loose to explain to you.
Are you okay? Has your last brain cell started to fail or something? Want me to call a "docteur"?
No thank you, but if you need I have competency to help you to put your brain in better arrangement with "magnetism" (Reïki like). I feel something in desorder in your brain.
I guess I pushed you really far, must have been hard for you to keep track of reality while avoiding all the scam evidences :/
To push, you have to move. but you are static LOL
YEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
You will be suprise to know that NASA take interesting product where they are.
LOL What the hell are you even saying? You are not making any sense at all now.
I have no time to loose to explain to you.
Are you okay? Has your last brain cell started to fail or something? Want me to call a "docteur"?
No thank you, but if you need I have competency to help you to put your brain in better arrangement with "magnetism" (Reïki like). I feel something in desorder in your brain.
I guess I pushed you really far, must have been hard for you to keep track of reality while avoiding all the scam evidences :/
To push, you have to move. but you are static LOL
YEAH, right! Tell Yildiz to ask NASA for help, I would LOVE to see that one.
You will be suprise to know that NASA take interesting product where they are.
Oh now I understand, you are saying that even for planes the engineers placed 3 computers so in case one fails the others are still functioning... which still makes no sense why this is being brought here.It is not like this, 2 are doing the job and 3th judge.
It is not like this, 2 are doing the job and 3th judge.
The sense, as I have to explain, is that the only maner to avoid definitive breakdown is redondancy. Yildiz is not an industrial, he have not the finance for that.
don't continue this conversation any longer.You are right, I loose my time with you. I prefer to go on my prototype.
You are right, I loose my time with you. I prefer to go on my prototype.
If I succeed, I will not post here, with guys like you, it will be to long to explain.
It is what I said, you have little live experience. You cannot avoid breadown. Even in plane, they put 3 computers for one. Each computer having program done by different teams to prevent program error.
The Yildiz in Geneva was not done for a plane. But if NASA help Yildiz, I am sure that we will have a great future system.
DomiChicosmologic singularity
I always value other people views and opinions, however in your case I am overwhelmed by your insignificance and ignorance.
Yilditz relies on people like yourself and Sterling to suck in more investors, like Mike Brady, Mr Rohner and many others (anyone get there Magnacaoster devices yet?)
Yilditz always chickens out at the last minute to have any testing that has value to anyone.
Keep the Dream alive, I am sure you will get a free autographed picture of Yilditz and Sterling.
Kind Regards
Mark
Yes, but airplanes actually do fly, that has been proven. This motor has not. That is the point. Proof is everything especially when raising money from potential investors. No proof, no money. Ask Sterling about Mylow.Even on plane you are miss informed. Have you ever heard about fly between Brazil and France? The destination was not under water, but ... And I had colleagues in this fly.
Bill
cosmologic singularity
You level stay the same as CazadorDeTruchos: Under Nothing (Even Zero point energy is not there, cosmologic singularity?). Just defamation.
I prefer a free autographed picture of Yilditz than some Euros from you. It will be for me a big honor from people trying to do something for future during 30 years of his live.
If you so well know Yildiz project, can you say what Yildiz is asking from investor?
I know, and I can say it is almost nothing for a big multinational industrie. And I speak absolute and not speak about potential profit.
Thanks to slanderers worthless as you, nobody can stand. You are a drag on society. If M.Yildiz project was a scam, long ago he could get money by making as Johnson or selling kits. If selling kits I have already bought him one in Geneva to help him to improve, but in addition he wants to give us the security provided by a manufacturer.
Do you know what industries spend as sponsoring? Of course not because nobody wants you in industry. In industriy we build.
Yes, as a dream, I prefer Yildiz project than a sailboat in a race.
As human I am ready to spend time and money on this kind of project. I am already doing, by trying to do my prototype, and Yildiz model will be a better start (I take time to have a close look at existing patents and picture made at Delt on open motor).
Look at you as observator, and asks yourself what you are doing for society and futur.
On another forum there is a members which say me, let OverUnity collect this kind of close mind guys. I think I will do.
On this other forum, like Allan Blog, we prefer that close mind people have also close mouth.
It was funny to let see the level of knowledge on this thread. Markdansie and CazadorDeTruchos; do you ever know what is a magnet (not just as a child), the magnet flow properties and the main problem when building pure magnet motor?
The answer is not just Yes we know or a link to Wiki, but to share your understanding about these points (just to increase the level of your posts).
I am no more 20 years old,
Poor man, your level is under my dog mind. But you are just a pug.
From your answer I see that you do not know anything about magnet. And that you don't read the thread where you post on, because I give some way on Yildiz engine is working.
And when you say that Yildiz asks for million. You had to go to Geneva.
His actual problem is to find fund to pay expense for patent and lawyer to prepare these patent. It is not millions.
He needs to get international patent protection (at least filed) for the black box before opening the technology to any team that wishes to be involved. But such protection costs a lot of money (in the ballpark of 2-8 million Euros). But in order to get that kind of money, he needs solid third-party verification of the technology.
And that you don't read the thread where you post on
Get out of here you french ignorant,I will do, but just to let dust here on this thread. It must be somewhere to waste if we do not want it to scatter. Even if a shadow has no consistency. And we do not need your dejection on other positive forums.
I would to better because I if I really had such a motor I would let everyone conduct the tests that they wanted, regardless of their ideas.But you will never have, as you are. Then you take no risk to say that.
Soon we will see......demo in may 2010 in Germany?Dutch does not means German. But it is on the same line of all this thread, miss informed.
Hopefully it's not another hoax
@domichi,the secret is not in magnetic 'fluids',or 'wells'.the secret is in pure applied conventional thermodynamics,except that one of the heat strokes of the magnetic engine must pull in ambient heat,and convert it to useful work.ie..an anisotropic heat cycle that pumps heat from ambient with no expense of energy on our part.im beginning to sound like phil hardcastle lately.Finally someone that offers something other than slander. When I speak about magnetic fluidity, I was not thinking about Yildiz, but about Steorn Orbo; just to test pug knowledge. And when I spoke about magnetic wells that was to pull them to stick point reason.
DomiChi you are very pathetic, please remove your presence from planet Earth, thank you.GO IN YOUR BOX SHADOW PUG, I have not time to loose with you. Even to play with PUG. I like dogs, but not pugs.
THE SCIENCE IS NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF, SCIENCE IS A MATTER OF FACT.I have proof that even with fact scientists do not always beleive it. I have proof.
Have you understood something that I've written?I have no time to loose to read you calomnies.
If not: Please go back to elementary school and study again.
Just because magnets have lines of force (similar to gravity), does not mean that magnets contain 'energy'. They do not. If static or stationary magnets really did contain 'energy', we would be able to connect devices and wires to them and use them as batteries or power supplies, but we cannot do this because they do not contain any energy.
@de truchos.there are no new laws of physics required for a working perpeual motion device of the 2nd kind,just a better understanding of the laws.are you trying to tell me that every law of nature has been fully explored to the max since 1890?absolute rubbishYou are right profitis. I had never seen any law about black energy. But we know that we are in, and that it is 75% of univers. A lot more than material. Perhaps have we something to do to use it?
DomiChi you are very pathetic, please remove your presence from planet Earth, thank you.Is that a threat? You know that I can attact you with lawyer? I am not as tolerant as Dutch people. Your IP is traced.
The law of conservation of energy is present even within the atom, and quantum mechanics has been proved it empirically thousand times!!.Have you any explanation to Wave/ Corpuscule duality (One electron start, more than one arrive)? You are better than nobel physic price A.Aspect http://youtu.be/o4Ib579nBxQ. You have to publish. There is no thermodynamics law to explain that today. You are a great quantic physician then. Congratulation, say us where you publish.
Thermodynamics applied in all fields of physics, not only in combustion engines or heat engines.
@shadow,what do you want yidiz to do? Hand you the motor for inspection?this is all confidential between him and the dutch guys so we may never see it again,especialy if it truly works.we are left to our own conclusions.
@shadow,what do you want yidiz to do? Hand you the motor for inspection?this is all confidential between him and the dutch guys so we may never see it again,especialy if it truly works.we are left to our own conclusions.
@domichi.check out the discussions of zero point,dirac sea by the extreme genius theoretical physicist jerry decker on science20.com.please note that this jerry decker is not the same jerry decker of keelynet.com.he is much esteemed by higher echelons of theoretical physicists.@profitis : Sorry, but I do not understand what you mean, where is this "discussions of zero point". I am interesting.
@DomiChiQuantum physic also treat photon outside atom.
The quantum mechanics only applies inside the atom. I know perfectly this video.
@domichi..just google: 'jerry decker science20.com' and go into any of the many thread posts by this absolute genius,it will blow your mind.this guy is such a genius that he is under n.d.a. with a certain entity(corporation or government?) to write some of his theories and not publish them.Thanks
@de truchos,what does sterling know? He,s not a physicist,just a journalist mate,he 'points' to things that we otherwise wouldnt know of,and adds his opinion,thats all.I agree with you. When we will have enough examples of this type; it will be to the scientists to explain.
I am working on doing this prototype, but with static magnet (magneticI will see if scientists are ready to progress, but it is also a maner to push me to move forward with hard. Because I spend to much time on PC.
external stator to regulate speed). Theoricaly no stick point.
If I get it working, I am OK to send it to scientists without restrictions.
Even if it is not Wildiz engine, it is a base to study how magnet pulls
energy from somewhere.
Do you think that there is some laboratories that may be interesting to the
challenge to explain?
For Wildiz engine, I just ask to Allan to hurry up to have open patent ....
STERLING SAYS: Thank you!! DomiChi 8)Again a big added value from CazadorDeTruchos
Again a big added value from CazadorDeTruchos
So far all you have done too, absolutely nothing. Got any proof? Show it and it can be discussed, until then I also can be making false claims of a OU motor that I am building and it will have no meaning unless it can be proven.
My motor runs on people's stupidity, the more stupid they are the faster they run, want to invest? I just need enough money for a world wide patent which is NOT millions (just 2 to 8 millions plus lawyer expenses). Hit the donate button and you can regain your money in 5 years with a free energy motor that will work forever!
I have proof, I have seen it work and I can testify that my motor only has magnets inside. That is all the proof that you need, buy now!
...retarded.
@DomiChiOn this poor forum we cannot supprest our own post, even not yet posted, it was what i wanted to do with my previous one because I had not seen that it was you. I did not want to always repeat the same to your poor level post.
Or you are a retarded ... o you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
This time last year he raised over $6000 for the SA generator, which he put in his own pocket.He also has to be paid, it is living job, and he paids from his pocket for other thing. And he provide us open pattent. Where is there another open patent provider?
@profitisCan we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.
YOU CAN´T SEE THAT ?
@DomiChi:I just like the sponsored link on this forum. I just want new one between new posts. It is all the information that we can get here.
Or you are a retarded ... or you are a scammer.
It´s very clear what is your hidden intention.
You sound like a shill sent here by the Yildiz team to do damage control after that disaster of a non-demo at the Geneva show.
Perhaps some potential investors are reading this forum and they are rightly being scared away from investing any money in Yildiz' fake magnet motor. So you are here to try to "fix" that.
@shadow @james thomas,you guys whine and whine yet you forget that you(and me) are of absolute zero importance in the matter of what goes on between yildiz and the dutch entity who are now in control of that situation.
@shadow,how many times must i say this?yildiz has absolutely nothing to prove to you,his main goal and intention was to prove something to the corporates present at the demo.wether they have decided to take the matter further we may never know.if he was reeeally intending to scam these billionaires do you honestly think he would fuck the demo up ten minutes into it?preposterous man.
Can we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.@CazadorDeTruchos: Why you never answer to request.
I already have seen these 2 in geneva, it is not information.
@shadow,how many times must i say this?yildiz has absolutely nothing to prove to you,his main goal and intention was to prove something to the corporates present at the demo.wether they have decided to take the matter further we may never know.if he was reeeally intending to scam these billionaires do you honestly think he would fuck the demo up ten minutes into it?preposterous man.
The increased noise arriving, and the magnet fragments allegedly retrieved from the motor that night are consistent with the story that was told us by Yildiz about why he shut it off.
That night, in the privacy of the motor home he had rented, he opened the motor and extricated the four magnets, two of which had obvious damage to them. In order to clean up the motor of those fragments, he would need 1.5 days and a large area to disassemble the entire motor, clean each magnet (not easy to do) and reassemble the motor.
Instead, he opted to not try and resume continuous operation, but to just give brief demonstrations of the motor running for about a minute, starting it up by releasing the braking mechanism, then stopping it by re-engaging the braking mechanism. He didn't feel the motor was stable enough to run continuously, and he didn't want a cascading, cataclysmic malfunction of this motor that is 15 years old and allegedly contains some 1200 magnets.
he didn't want a cascading, cataclysmic malfunction of this motor
(Duarte says that the stable speed is achieved through a feedback mechanism that prevents the motor spinning to destruction.)
When the motor is not spinning, it is under tension, wanting to spin up, held still by the braking mechanism.
As soon as the brake is released, by Yildiz hitting a mallet against a screw driver, pushing the brake mechanism out of position, the motor immediately spins up, in maybe 1/5 of a second, to its full speed.
I saw Duarte demonstrate to someone that when stopped, the blade is under tension of the brake, not easy to turn.
@shadow...the number of magnets inside is irrelevent,thus no reason to lie..strike1.broken magnets=fucked up synchronicity,logic..strike2..there may be gears in this device..strike 3.
Good for you JamesThomas!!
I have read your Open Letter. This words summarize all the subject:
" ... It seems what we really have here – under the facade of honest, investigative reporting and journalism – is a scheme to milk peoples hopes and dreams for all they're worth. Sterling grossly manipulates the information he gathers so that it presents a quality, validity and honesty of people and their apparatus that in reality is not there ..."
We hope to see what is the answer from Smartscarecrow (if there is any answer).
Kindest Regards
Sterling is now officially the Don Knotts of free energy.
@de truchos.you are basicly saying that yildiz is trying to scam billionaire corporates present at the demo with a lousy half-working model flywheel? Laughable.@Profitis, we lose our time here. In France we say: "you cannot make drink a donkey who is not thirsty". But there is worse, it is the people of bad faith. Worse than stone, with stones you can work with crystal for your health.
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
.... Do Not Disturb!!!) yes, otherwise you can know that CazadorDeTruchos is a liar. No luck, my wife is Dutch, and my brother il law had high diplomas in Delft. I cannot let slanders saying everything.
(note that: All they are AWARDS professors & SCIENTISTS (please, they deserve a lot of respect from us. Do Not Disturb!!!)
TU Delft professors:
...
6) Johanna Myrzik
...
At the first time, I call by telephone "each one" to ask about the Yildiz´s DEMOS in his own univesities.
All responded the same thing: is a scam, is a trick, is a fake, etc
I think it's in bad taste, but in case of any doubt, I give you a print sceen of one answer from TU Delft about Yildiz.
I have 8 (eight) mails more of each one.
Sterling is now officially the Don Knotts of free energy.Your post in Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS". are a lot more clever. Do an effort, do not join this poor thread level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZGMGAu2xA
i dont know domichi.if it works then alot of politics will come in2 the equasion.if its politicaly advantageous to throw the device into market then we may see more of it.the sudden tidal wave of open public domain free energy research may tilt a decision to go ahead and inject in2 markets,if it works properly.my advice to you is dont rush too quickly to spend any money yet,wait a little while longer.Like all bourse investments it is long term investment. And now nodoby, or almost, because they do not believe, know that philips will have this leader position if they buy the patent today. Today stock trading cost do not take this leader position into account. After stock trading will increase. It's a gamble, but a safe bet since Philips is healthy otherwise and Yildiz investment is nothing to the size of a company like Philips. For Philips, a minor investment but with a futur big advantage. I have just to know if Philips has good chance to have the patent for him, and not another industrial as they were no enough active with and for Yildiz (they do not obtain visa for Yildiz's wife). If it is another industrial, it is from this one that I have to buy stocks. But I do not know which one. But if it is in Germany, that reduce possibilities. In France it is a not allowed to do that. They call it Insider offense. But I am not inside. I think it is also for that that Yildiz cannot speak about industrial. It is a real advantage for a industrial for a not so big cost for a multinational.
hey @shadow,are you high on steroids?relax,nobody is going to prove anything to you,even if they have proof your highness.
@shadowpt. Yes you have to pray, but pray God for being less stupid. And to learn to read. I didn't say that I will give money to Yildiz but to a multi-national which is good placement with or without Yildiz, a multinational open for a better futur, which invest for future.
Is it you behind the moon? I can see your shadow big donkey ears.
Oh frenchy, you so silly. Allways with the most childish words, good for you! Can't wait to see your miraculous machine in the papers aswell, maybe in 30 years we will be talking about your scam :DYes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.
if he has got the engine working apropriately.The principle was working propely in Geneva. I saw it myself. Even better because it is always more difficult to restart than to let turn.
Yes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.
And you, where are you from. It is not in your profile.
As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
Yes, French and proud of it. You will never see my engine, because I do not share with guys like you.Yes it is what I said: As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
And you, where are you from. It is not in your profile.
As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
Oh silly frenchy I already knew that, it is the same talk that all scammers give, that is why I said "in the papers" just like mr Yildiz super magic motor. Guess you are the one that doesn't even read where you are posting ;D
Silly DomiChi
domichi,always more difficult to start than let it turn? Are you talking about the motor?how did they get it to start?always more difficult to start than let it turn, I spoke in general.
1 - Not once he opens the bottom half of the machine in a live audience ( or any other public video that I could find ), which has more than enough space to conceal an electric motor and batteries, even though he claims to have a pending patent ( for how long now? ) which would not be any obstacle to show the complete motor disassambled in public.
2 - According to the pictures in his website, the machine is based on a spiral orientation ( http://www.bsmhturk.com/galeri.php ) which we all know by now that never works and some of the pictures really resemble the perendev motor.
3 - In each video, where the machine has a long running time, you can detect a power runout by comparing the sound at start and at the end of its running time, you don't even need any special programs, your ears will do just fine ( 3:12 | 6:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU ).
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially? Since it starts with such a tremendous force and speed from start why does it loose power overtime? Don't quote his word on the "pickup coils" that regulate rpm, any normal electric engineer knows that those are useless without a electronic controller to regulate it accordingly.
5 - Not once his machine is recorded live without the fan attached to the main shaft, this is a great way to suppress the electric motor noise.
6 - The "tests" that were suppose to occur during last January are still yet to see daylight or even make "big news" in the media world.
7 - This whole theater resembles a lot a very late scheme, if you all remember this previous "legit" inventor aswell as I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amb08N05_Ww
It's simple, got a pending patent and it really is a legit OU invention? Then you have nothing to hide, not even half of the machine. If you do hide then you are yelling "scheme" all over the place.
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity (known since 1895). Google"ewing magnetic viscosity". And also do not know that friction torque increase with speed, like Foucault effect (3 mains reason to self limiting speed).
4 - If what he claims to have achieved was true then, by definition, the machine would accelerate over time (this is what a machine that powers itself means with no electronic components to regulate the velocity) then why isn't the machine speeding up exponentially?
Have you noticed that @DomiChi and @profitis are always together, almost at the same time? Never one at a time.Of course, we are almost on the same time line. Near the server time line. With minimum 6h difference with you (you have to know a minimum geography).
They never are separate, always are together defending to YILDIZ´s KIND OF MAGIC.
WILL BE THE SAME PERSON WITH 2 DIFFERENT NICKs.?
Have you noticed that?
Looks like Yildiz´s Team pays very well ...
yes air friction and shaft friction would definitly put a limit on speed of any such device.personaly i believe that if yildiz,s motor is genuine then he must be using either coils or metalic material to self-induct with eddies and change the properties of the magnetic field around each magnet as the other magnet passes by.this is not a simple case of just magnets repulsing each other like so many guys have tried before.we have to look at inductor circuits like rosemary ainslie,or beardin etc and try to find out if the kickback of such inductors is truly is larger than the input.therein lies the clue domichi,if inductors can work then there will be a way for a motor to work because it will then fall in line with the thermodynamics theory of steven.j.smith(google steven.j.smith magnetothermodynamics)Another thing that is genuine is the double rotor, with the inside rotor creating magnetic dynamic for all the engine. Effect creating condition for the cause is not usual. Only quantic physic already admit that (“gomme quantique” (quantum eraser)).
Shadowpt first posts on this forum were to say that he did succeed with his project. But as Yildiz succeed, he moved on this thread, and he already decided that as he did not succeed himself, other cannot. This post bellow post was before Geneva demo.
But Shadowpt project was only on FEMM. I know myself, for having maid prototype, that FEMM give not always the good answer. And I have seen some posts saying the same.
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity (known since 1895). Google"ewing magnetic viscosity". And also do not know that friction torque increase with speed, like Foucault effect (3 mains reason to self limiting speed).
I have another brain schema. If I do not succeed, what can I learn from Yidiz? 30 years of observation is not nothing.
I already have seen good ideas from Yildiz, but it is complicated in DIY. I want to try to do something easy and cheap to do at home if possible. There is a lot of good ideas on Internet. A lot stop before any prototype, and any proof that it will not work (R.Calloway has some that he let us try). And if I cannot succeed with magnet, I will try Schauberger hydro turbine, and R.Vialle principle. But I will not consider magnet as scam. Just, magnets need more precise conception and adjustment that I did.
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity
As I said before (only one thing I withdraw which is the coils that are used to limit the speed which I confused with electronic dyno limiters that I averiguated after checking the full machine declaration)....
Hello everybody
In this document http://www.nuenergy.org/theoretical-self-sustaining-permanent-magnet-motor/ we can see a diagram where we can think that with this magnets configuration we obtain a rotating field.
I am not a magnetism specialist, is there somebody who can confirm that?
A FEMM simulation will be OK for me, but I don't know how to in FEMM.
Can we obtain the same with flat magnets (easier to find, this one http://www.supermagnete.de/Q-40-20-05-N for example).
Thanks in advance
Domi
One off the wrong said from others, Shadowpt does not know magnetic viscosity
You just said that you are not a magnetism specialist but you keep telling everyone that you know all about it, what a delusional child ;)Since one month I had time to learn a lot from People sharing on Internet. Sharing knowledge and not gossip.
yes domichi,i heard somewhere that one of the inner rotors are made of nonmagnetic plastic or resin with magnets stuck in them,and the outside stator is metallic with magnets stuck inside,this sheds some light on a eddy current theory.did you ever meet naudin before? Did he have anything intresting to say in general.To see Yildiz inside engine, I find good this one: http://youtu.be/mI3227d5Css from http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/ We can well see inside if you stop the video.
yes domichi,naudin definitly has some diamonds on his website.the steorn device is probably a 2nd law violation but of low power output but it serves well to illustrate the many possibilities.i believe they managed to make a solid state inductive circuit related to the orbo,and then extended that into hot water induction heating for homes,which was probably their original aim and goal while flashing the orbo to public.But scam hunter, as here, distroy the project. JL Naudin prove that it is working. Another scam hunter added value.
Since one month I had time to learn a lot from People sharing on Internet. Sharing knowledge and not gossip.
It is right that for you, one month is not enough to learn anything.
I am sure you have, tell me do you know how to use FEMM by now? And what is that "magnetic viscosity" that you talked about?The difference with you, I will answer to your question. My previous post stay actual:
I guess that all that you learned was new ways to enforce an obvious scam and be disrespectfull to other members.
I am still waiting for all the proof that make the motor legit, still waiting before the man goes to jail :D
Yes it is what I said: As usual, we will never have answer, question do not go to your mind: Avatard computer incorrectly programmed.
The difference with you, I will answer to your question. My previous post stay actual:
I already give you what to seacrh to find about magnetic viscosity. If I give you my link it will be in French. But it is to much information for you. As your magnetic knowledge is only FEMM and you are to lazy to instruct your self, I search for you, you can see this 3 years old thread http://www.overunity.com/8869/software-simulation-of-magnetic-viscosity/nowap/#.UXd92coZOSo (I am too charitable for guys like you, which prefers to learn only to vilify). As it is on these forum, I do not know the value if it is at your picture.
About FEMM: I now know that FEMM is not accurate, even if specialize in magnetism. It is like calculator, you need to know to do yourself before using.
Then, I open a new thread on another forum to find a better one. I will not invest time on FEMM, but on the one that we will preconize. If we can not find one and have nothing beter to do, I will do one myselft in DOT.NET with Elmer bibliotheque. And create a material bibliotheque for Elmer. Have a look on Elmer, it is 3D. (I well know microsoft .net package, I used it for a long time as professional, and now I prefer to do something else).
I also want to combine magnetism with other mechanical forces. And FEMM is not the good solution. With viscosity, simulation are to be dynamical and take into account mechanical properties (friction, inertia, centrifugal, ...). Viscosity may be a drawback, but we can also use it as Orbo. Like Foucault effects which can reverse magnetism. Also I would do to simulate the speed of free rotation with the couple. And I do not want to invest as much as in hardware. Dasault Catia is the best one but too expensive for home. But you will not like it as it is a French software, even if the Boeing Company used CATIA V3 to develop its 777 airliner. We have it in my company but I do not want hack, and it needs strong workstation, then I have not it on my laptop.
And as you like to say: SILLY shadowpt, change your simulation software. It will let you have bad conclusion.
For myself I exchange with hard simulation with Calloway advice: have a large transparent metal powder box. I add, Not plexiglas because electrostatic forces.
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
For myself I exchange with hard simulation with Calloway advice
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
by the way domichi,did you notice that the vast majority of overunity device experiments on this website and other websites are in some way related to induction.there are some very complicated circuits and some very simple ones but all of them point back to the basic coil and paramagnetic core.Yes but it is also easier to test than magnetic engine or Schauberger hydro turbine. Schauberger hydro turbine was working, Hitler want it for him, and after Americans destroy every plans or hardware on it (not good for oil companies). Then we have poor information on it. But if I do not succed with magnet I will try Schauberger hydro-repusine replication (some other French are doing air turbine replication and they already have good results with Schauberger ideas). Schauberger was not a scientist, then he didn't look for OU equation. But the results where enough good to destroy the roof where he was tried (to much power for the fixings, plus the weigh of the machine).
Yes but it is also easier to test than magnetic engine or Schauberger hydro turbine. Schauberger hydro turbine was working, Hitler want it for him, and after Americans destroy every plans or hardware on it (not good for oil companies). Then we have poor information on it. But if I do not succed with magnet I will try Schauberger hydro-repusine replication (some other French are doing air turbine replication and they already have good results with Schauberger ideas). Schauberger was not a scientist, then he didn't look for OU equation. But the results where enough good to destroy the roof where he was tried (to much power for the fixings, plus the weigh of the machine).
Please forget about all that and just focus on the question at the end of my post.It was not an answer to your post but to Profitis post.
About Yildiz engine, I do not want to continue to speak to less than a wall (you shadowpt) (Why less than a wall: perhaps walls have ears ;-)).
For the question that you posed, FEMM works perfectly and hasn't failed once with me with all the simulations that I conducted.It is not a question, I already have the answer from hard experimentation and from other than you.
Yes but you show me that your close mind will not allow you to anderstand anything about magnetic visosity usability
So far you showed me nothing more that you learned, while I have already been here since last year, I am pretty sure I have more knowledge in this than you have.
@Domichi, what´s news about the Deutsch people and your boss YILDIZ?
HAVE WE A VALIDATION?
YES OR NOT?
This article deals with aliens?
Is there 380 Watts? or 38? or 3.8? or 0.38?
Is there any news?
OR ...
ive been thinking of ways to create a steorn engine without the need for battery domichi.what do you think would happen if we used normal coil inductors instead of toroids,and then simply short-circuit the coils as the magnets pass them.do you think that would reduce magnetic attraction at critical moment because of lenz repulsion? We would only need a tiny battery to just power a switch to short-circuit at intervals.You have to minimize consuption then the JL Naudin solution is the best one. To avoid battery I will use super capacitor and charge it with another generator coil. and I perhaps will put one hall detector foreach coil beacaus my short experience with magnet has prove to me that even same reference magnet have not same magnetic cloud, and not same magnetic viscosity magnetic cloud.
@shadowptYou are right, but it is not the Yildiz project: http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69
Tomorrow the YILDIZ machine works on the Karma ... or a KIND OF MAGIC.
@shadowptYou have to read Steorn and The Holy Grai http://amzn.com/0557207215, perhaps this will open your mind, if you have one.
LISTEN TO THE 1ST. LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND keep you energy.
@shadowptYes, If he has time, he will not let you say anything. Prefer a shadow point witout nationality if you have time to waste, and it is itself self perpetual renew, no answer coherent with previous post.
Don´t waste time with a Frenchman.
Well said, I think Sterling is riding a slippery rail, if he falls off one side he just ends up ruining his reputation, if he falls of the other side he might be convicted of fraud.You are right for most that you say. But you have to dissociate Stirling and Yildiz. I had exchange with J.Duarte (dutch professor) at Geneva, that was interesting, he began to imagine how to find physics explanation about this engine. He regrets that he could not continue to work on this enngine, but it was not a Yildiz problem. It was Nederland visa problem.
If I was him I would get off that rail. Choose a side. Truth and valid reporting, or leading people on, hyping them up and getting donations with no follow through ect. ect..
It's kinda sad but if all the dodgy and plain false claims were given no credence there would be no problem. There is a lot of dodgy stuff on these sites, and there seems to be more and more people to believe it.
On these sites I see very little collaboration, development and testing. Mostly hunting for claims on the you tube so they can be linked for hype. Then pages of argument.
Did Yildiz run his machine for hours while powering some decent load, like more than 10 watts. Seems it would be a very expensive fan.
Cheers
what reputation @farmhand? Sterling and even our own overunity.com websites are regarded as jokes by the elite science circles while at the same time they pull any valuable info that might actualy be worth anything from them :-)I agree, and worse for OverUnity. Dutch prof. let it for what it is: nothing.
@DomiChiP:I already have done the mold for making the vortex which will support the pipes, but I stop because it was the winter here in France. And I didn't want to play with water when it was so cold. Then I chose to try magnet during waiting sun. But sun is coming. With magnet I think there is only a working one that we can do ourself, it is the steorn Orbo, like Naudin replication. Yildiz is to complicate to do it at home (he has to make us a kit), an Johnson use out of age magnet. But Steorn is not magnet but electro-magnet. With Schauberger repulsine we also to have a motor. Magnet motor had been a good chalenge.
Schauberger has been an interested of mine for a long time. I would like to see your work and experiments with the "Schauberger-Vortex". Do you care to start a new thread here and share your discoveries?
truesearch
@DomiChi:Yes if I have results. I do not want to be like the pugs. It is not because I not succeed that I will say that Schauberger did not work. But just that I miss information.
Thanks for your reply. I visited your thread on Magnetosynergie but I can't read French, and Google-Translate isn't very good. . . .
I hope you share your work here on overunity.com.
truesearch
You are right, but it is not the Yildiz project: http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69 (http://www.quantumtouch.com/index.php?view=article&catid=187%3Aspecial-topic-reports&id=1060%3Acharging-batteries&option=com_content&Itemid=69)
You have to change forum, they have their own-one. But pay attention they can repair your brain.
As I am also interest with Healing with vital energy, I just comeback from one of these blogs. Day and night...
I do not need this black negative energy even if free. And even if I can protect myself from this negative energy (thank you Mickael archangel) ...
@DomichiYou are in the wrong thread, there is a topic for the scam hunter.
OHHH MY GOD!! You are very sick Domichi. Do you know this?
What's Next?
A speech about quantum medicine?
You are more sicker than I thought.
Read about the Steorn Orbo Jury issues verdict: no excess energy (written by the same STERLING ALLAN in 2009).
http://www.examiner.com/article/steorn-jury-issues-verdict-no-excess-energy
GO BACK to your cosmic forum and stop teasing here!!
PATHETIC!! STUPID!!!
This "charging batteries by thinking about it" webshite you have linked has nothing to do with the topic under discussion, unless of course you are posting it as another example of a scam that takes money from gullible people.It was just to answer to the pugs about what he call magie, that there is not always formula or something to see by common people.
@DomichiA speech about quantum medicine?: not on this forum, it is too subtile for you.
A speech about quantum medicine?
Read about the Steorn Orbo Jury issues verdict: no excess energy (written by the same STERLING ALLAN in 2009).
http://www.examiner.com/article/steorn-jury-issues-verdict-no-excess-energy
@DomiChi:Yes iI prefer http://onlinedoctranslator.com/index.html when I want good translation. I use it to translate German Yildiz pattent and I correct myself what was difficult to directly read.
Thanks for your reply. I visited your thread on Magnetosynergie but I can't read French, and Google-Translate isn't very good. . . .
I hope you share your work here on overunity.com.
truesearch
@domichi,i was checking out the naudin experiments on r.vialle,very interesting.unfortunately i cant post a link to the vortex site because im typing through a cell fone here under opera mini compression but you can google 'vortex-l' and it will show you the link.some very respected physicists and ordinary guys discuss anything and everything on there from zero point to cold fusion to any topic much like here.i was thinking of another way to create a steorn-yildiz type engine without any batteries that might work: if we throw away the toroids/coils and replace with a weak paramagnetic metal e.g. aluminum disks or manganese disks..then when the magnet accelerates towards it a eddy current induction and lenz repulsion at critical moment happens to let magnet pass.very strong neo magnets should be able to do this and it might be key to yildiz secret,its worth testing because no circuit required.The 'vortex-l' that ggogle gives me is not realy a forum, but a an internet email forum or "list." . Is it what you mean?
@domichi,i was checking out the naudin experiments on r.vialle,very interesting.unfortunately i cant post a link to the vortex site because im typing through a cell fone here under opera mini compression but you can google 'vortex-l' and it will show you the link.some very respected physicists and ordinary guys discuss anything and everything on there from zero point to cold fusion to any topic much like here.i was thinking of another way to create a steorn-yildiz type engine without any batteries that might work: if we throw away the toroids/coils and replace with a weak paramagnetic metal e.g. aluminum disks or manganese disks..then when the magnet accelerates towards it a eddy current induction and lenz repulsion at critical moment happens to let magnet pass.very strong neo magnets should be able to do this and it might be key to yildiz secret,its worth testing because no circuit required.If that work, say me. As I am tired of trying non-working magnet replication, and as electronic is not a problem for me, if I try to replicate JL Naudin system, I will try to replicate as close as possible. Just bigger because his one have not enougt power.
yes domichi.that is the right vortex-l forums.plenty interesting stuff there.i have decided to start experimenting with a very simple method to determine a 2nd law violation with magnetic systems,im going to simply pendulum swing a magnet over the test material,eg bismuth,aluminum,manganese etc. and see if i can get a self-sustain vibration,swing motion going.im also going to investigate magnetocaloric effects and magnetochemical effects as certain soluble salts e.g. copper sulfate have paramagnetism in water solution.I subscribed,. They have a rule: "Pathological Skepticism is banned ". That is a good thing.
@domichi a simpler way of the steorn replication would maybe be a pendulum magnet swing over one torroid coil if any1 wants to save effort and just display principal.they would just have to calculate gravitational gains in energy/input.i,l post here if i find any confirmation of non-battery magnetic phenomena because i want to divorce from all external power inputs.@profitis: I need a power supply for a out of grid site. If I succeed and the scam hunter say it is a scam. It is OK for me. I have nothing to do with them. If from the Naudin replication I replace battery by super capacotor self charging by the steorn, for me it will be a big success and I do not need more for my need. Even, if for facility I have to charge the first time the super capacitor with my car battery.
@profitis: I need a power supply for a out of grid site. If I succeed and the scam hunter say it is a scam. It is OK for me. I have nothing to do with them. If from the Naudin replication I replace battery by super capacotor self charging by the steorn, for me it will be a big success and I do not need more for my need. Even, if for facility I have to charge the first time the super capacitor with my car battery.
I had prefered Yildiz, which is more powerfull, but it will take to much time before on market.
Is Jean-Louis Naudin running his lab and home on the national electric grid, or from some of the many overunity devices he's "proven"?I never saw his bill. Perhaps he sells electricity to the national electric provider. But I have never heard anybody how have proved that J.LNaudin is a scamer, all the contrary, a lot take him as example to replicate what He did. In France we have interest to be on the grid, we can sell electricity at a better cost that we buy. And like this we do not need to stock power.
How about Steorn? Running their office and shop off of an Orbo, or a HepaHeat, are they?
They're just questions, Leon.
(snip)
@TinselKoala: I look at your post history, the last ones, I didn't see something from you that I can use for my need. Have you someting to propose? My need is a real need, I cannot use solar or wind. It is in a wood. I now have a thermic generator to reload 500ha batteries, but it is noisy, hot and it pollutes.
Also, DomiChi I have good news for you! Yildiz has started selling house kit versions of his motor (or at least the plans to build it) just like you wanted, just like you said you would buy as soon as it was possible.It is not a good news, it is not a product to sell as potatoes.
Well, wait no more, you can read all about it and make your application right here
http://pesn.com/2013/04/25/9602302_Yildiz-entertaining-manufacturing-licensees---BUT/
Now I am gonna start making popcorns and wait for the rest of the show, the final season is always the best one to watch.
Hmm but something like this seems very familiar to me... It reminds me of all the previous scammers that ended up selling the same exact thing when they saw they couldn't get big investors... It probably is just a coincidence.
PS: I have a feeling that Yildiz's website will be taken down really soon.
But along with that perception, one of the things that has become very clear to me is that the primary reason Mr. Yildiz is not in the market yet, even though he's had a prototype to demonstrate the principle for at least 15 years, is that while he is a brilliant inventor, he is not a brilliant businessman.Now we have to wait that an industrial sells them, because replication without kit, seams to me too difficult. But if I have to buy outside Europe I will need more garantee. And if it is too expensive, I will study floating on water solar panels as I have an lac on my wood field.
Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor is NOT open source. End of story.Ghost: another non consitent thing like shadow. But against Ghost we have Ghostbuster.
Don't waste your time on this, especially talking to these retarded scammers!
In your case, you are far too gullible and you will be wasting your time, effort and money chasing phantoms that have absolutely Zero chance of being real.Now we have one on the thread. just coincidence?
though.
Domichi and ProfitsHave you seen his electricity bill? Perhaps he sells electricity.
Take note form TK, go ask any of these people including Sterling how they pay for electricity.
I sympathize with your need for an alternative power supply. Wishing that Yildiz, or Steorn, or JLN might have something doesn't make it so, though.If you have something more real to propose, I will study your proposal.
It is not a good news, it is not a product to sell as potatoes.
Like Allan, I think that it is a Yildiz error, and I am also in accordance with Allan:Now we have to wait that an industrial sells them, because replication without kit, seams to me too difficult. But if I have to buy outside Europe I will need more garantee. And if it is too expensive, I will study floating on water solar panels as I have an lac on my wood field.
Oh boy, DomiChi but you said that if it was available that you would buy it, now you are backing off your own words? You really don't stand up for what you say, and here I was thinking that you would buy it and finally prove that it is a scam but there you go again with the same old childish arguments about the user names in a forum.I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
I guess when you run out of things to say you just spit anything that comes out of your butt.
But why? Do you not believe on Yildiz now? What changed? :O :O :O
@tk.steorn and naudin are no fools,what they show to public and what they do behind closed doors are entirely different yet related things buddy.yilditz is a giant question mark for now,unless you have evidence for fraud.I ain't your buddy, buddy, and I didn't ask what they have or don't have. I asked whether or not they are running their homes and offices and laboratories on any of the "free energy" devices they've made claims for, or are they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that... you reply as you have done, with another claim that you can't provide evidence for.
I ain't your buddy, buddy, and I didn't ask what they have or don't have. I asked whether or not they are running their homes and offices and laboratories on any of the "free energy" devices they've made claims for, or are they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that... you reply as you have done, with another claim that you can't provide evidence for.@TinselKoala: Hey buddy, when you say "they still on the national grid. And since you and I both know the answer to that..." , how they can sell to national provider if they are not on grid?
Until Yildiz provides _actual proof_ of his claims, which he has never done, the default position of any person with any kind of reasoning ability at all is that he is faking it. And the evidence that _does exist_... since it can easily be replicated by ordinary means... does not support him, but rather supports the hypothesis of fakery.
I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
user names in a forum: When you chose your pseudo, you show your mindset. We can see what we can expect from a Ghost, just trouble, otherwise stay hidden. Or a shadow which prevents light to be present.
He also told me: "The open license will be done for the simple designs. Not industrial types" [which the above refer to].
The open license would basically consist of people being able to download plans for the motor, and if they are successful in building a company or product around that, they they would remit a royalty (e.g. 5% is what I'm recommending) on all commercial sales.
Buy the plan, build the product and don't come back with more excuses, either you do what you said you would do and stop going after irrelevant childish arguments about user names and mindsets or you just shut up and admit by silence that this is a scam.If you had look at the smaller rotor of the Yildiz, you had seen that it is not a DIY part. It need an industrial to make it. And if you had corectly read the PES article you would know that we cannot buy the industrial plan:
The open license will be done for the simple designs. Not industrial typesThen, if we have to let make the part (no kit avalaible), as well doing it well, in another forum we are thinking to make a company to do kits. We have to contact Halli to see what Yildiz group can propose, and also have some explaination of what is this simple design in front off the patent, we will contact also autorities to profit of all facilities than we can. As on this other forum a member has already modelize mathematicaly the Yildiz engine magnetic flow, we are condident to succeed. But do not care as it is also a scam. We will sell you at big cost in some more years.
If you had look at the smaller rotor of the Yildiz, you had seen that it is not a DIY part. It need an industrial to make it. And if you had corectly read the PES article you would know that we cannot buy the industrial plan:Then, in another forum we are thinking to make a company to do kits. We have to contact Halli to see what Yildiz group can propose, but also autorities to profit of all facilities than we can.
I said that I want to buy a kit, not an expensive industrial one. And not from an industrial which can make it bad, and create magnetic potential wells (http://www.supermagnete.de/project68 at end page). Yildiz engine needs adjustment to work (like it is said in the pattent).
user names in a forum: When you chose your pseudo, you show your mindset. We can see what we can expect from a Ghost, just trouble, otherwise stay hidden. Or a shadow which prevents light to be present.
Shadowpt:
lol It is one of the more bizarre clips in this episode. I can just hear any physics teacher explaining what is being observed in my head. "Note how the rotational energy is being converted into magnetic potential energy. Then it gets over the peak and the magnetic potential energy gets converted back into the rotational energy less the friction losses. You can do an integral of the torque as a function of angle, from the start angle to the finish angle to calculate the stored magnetic potential energy. When that stored magnetic potential energy is released it gets converted back into rotational energy. Note the instantaneous acceleration of the rotor is the instantaneous torque on the rotor divided by the moment of inertia of the rotor."
So that's something like what a physics teacher would say. Instead you get this bizarre scene with these men gawking at a "magnet motor" like they they have never observed this property of magnets before in their lives.
It's a watershed moment for sure.
MileHigh
All I saw as a very easy to make motor that any CNC company can make the parts of.
If you still haven't bought the plans you cannot say anything about what can't be done or what can be done. Stop with the excuses, you said it yourself:
The open source is described as a "simple design" and can be downloaded, so before you go on with your same lame excuses buy the plans and then you can talk again.
No plans, no talk. Or you can admit (by omission) now that you are a weak person that doesn't stand for what he says and doesn't even know what he was talking all this time, either way your next answer will be the final one on this matter.
How low can one person get at life... Just by watching that video I can see 5 of them doing it.You have to proof that you are better. Also because you do not answer to question.
@shadowptand you never answer to any question.
As you have reed my post http://www.overunity.com/13390/rotating-magnetic-field/#.UXpN7soZOSo, and you well know magnetism and FEMM, why didn't you answer me on this "rotating-magnetic-field" thread?
If you had take time to read the patent. You'd have seen that we already have some plans. But YOU do not know what YOU are talking about, because YOU do not take time to study the patents. And I do not want to buy if do not know what I buy. What is this simplify design? YOU the service scam hunter, do YOU know what is this simplify design?
I do not buy a toy just to play with. I have a real need.
And if we have to buy CNC program, it is better to manufacture more than one piece. Do YOU know that?
You have to proof that you are better. Also because you do not answer to question.and you never answer to any question.
J.Duart is professor in Nederland at Eindovhen+Delft. Where are you prof? Prof of what?
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." - Popular
Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
I am very strong I have one in my pocket.
Another one from scientist?
"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be
obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at
will." -- Albert Einstein, 1932
There is a lot more at http://amasci.com/freenrg/laughed.html
Are you in "The Experts Speak" http://amzn.com/0679778063 ?
LOL you are really beyond stupid, why do you keep posting unrelated stuff that proves no point at all beside your imaginary world? Why do you still keep using quotes on an argument when you should know by now that quotes are meaningless if the person using them doesn't even know what he is talking about?It is unrelated with Yildiz engine, but well related with you.
You should just stop embarassing your country, it wasn't enough that their image is of people that run away from any fight, now you want them to also be portraited as the dumbest people on earth.
I never claimed to be an physics expert, never claimed to have any degree on itAnd with your big experience of 20 yeras old people, you allow yourself to have this talk about an old professor.
And with your big experience of 20 yeras old people, you allow yourself to have this talk about an old professor.
Strange education.
You better have to go to your study. Not only scolar but also human. 5 Toltecs agreements wil have a big benefit for you.
DomiChi you have nothing else to add to this conversation, you chose not to buy the plans even after you said you would buy them right away, you even said that you were gonna leave this forum and you are still here.The difference between me and a baby like you, is that with friend we try to leran and to unerstand.
Just leave and stop being so pathetic.
The difference between me and a baby like you, is that with friend we try to leran and to unerstand.
My friend has put the Yildiz motor explaination on line http://youtu.be/A5Zh6LZo5g4. You can hear at the beginning that he thanks me on my pseudo.
Moreover, I use one of the conclusions to think the system I'm doing (do not avaoid stick point, use it if you want couple).
From the demonstration do not try on FEMM because it is volume, then 3D.
And for buying the plan, as Yildiz want to sell industrial plan only to industrial society, I cannot buy.
And about leaving this forum, I hoped to put someting in your empty brain. But as it it impossible mission I will live as soon as there will be no more post concerning me directly and not the Yildiz. I'm not a shadow me.
But you will have to quit also because you are not on the good thread, you have to go to http://www.overunity.com/skeptical-views-and-scam-alerts/. Here is a post to speak about Yildiz technics. Even its creator never come back as it is polute by you.
And the link to my friend video is the only thing interesting on this thread.
First that video proves nothing at all, it is exactly the same babling that you have infested in this thread, links to alternative energy thatYou better say: "I understand nothing because I do not take time to look at the patent. I have to translate it from German to English".
Jesus christ, stupidity really has no limits.I am not sure that you alowed to speak about Jesus christ with what you said before. You do not practice.
@domichi..shadow is blind,he clings to materialist 2 dimensional space,such types cannot see through the eyes of the enlightened genius.its like talking to a brick wall.@Profitis: I agree, and it is a pitty because he is young (20).
@Profitis: I agree, and it is a pitty because he is young (20).
But I stay optimitics, my friends in France working on the subject are also young (less than 30) and they are not like this wall.
Futur will come from East of American continent. But it is good for my grandchildren.
I have to say that east of american continent is Europe and Africa, because Americans are able to not know, as in previous post they do not know time line. In fact China has most of rare earth mines, and they buy other mines in Africa. Then futur can also come from China. They will sell us neodium magnets.
And about leaving this forum, I hoped to put someting in your empty brain. But as it it impossible mission I will live as soon as there will be no more post concerning me directly and not the Yildiz. I'm not a shadow me.
Yes I will leave this forum, not because you want, as I am alone to try to avoid rumor propagation.
Yes iI prefer http://onlinedoctranslator.com/index.html when I want good translation. I use it to translate German Yildiz pattent and I correct myself what was difficult to directly read.
Is that a threat? You know that I can attact you with lawyer? I am not as tolerant as Dutch people. Your IP is traced.
You just have to hope that nothing hapen to me now. Perhaps I can make something to have money to finance Yildiz from you. Have you an house not too small. It will be enough.
Yes it is not just a screen in front of you.
You have poor mechanical understanding on brake efficiency and friction. And also poor spirit of observation (try on your car how it stops if you do not change pressure on brake pedal (after disengaging gear of course)).
Shadow is certainly a good pseudo for you. No consistency, only avoid that somebody else gets the light.
When you write " it still wouldnt have ruled out a nuclear reactor", yes I why not an E.T. which are earth invider. Is it children garden here?
I went there for me, and to support M.Yildiz and not for close mind people.
In France we have a proverb that says “you cannot let drink a not thirsty donkey”.
For me and people with me at Geneva, this engine has to progress in mechanical conception and marketing, not in principle.
It is for that that you think that other cannot make better than you.
OU exits for a long time ago, 5000 years, read this http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito3/enerlib.pdf. It is water not magnet, but magnetic vortex also exits. And what about if Yildiz engine create this votex with it's output rotor? Enough for all the engine. Magnetic fields of each stage can be combine, also with this magnetic vortex. That is the genius idea, create global working condition from the output. But all these information can be deduct from information already on the net, like the patents and the J.Duarte report in Turkey.
Yes I will leave this forum, not because you want, as I am alone to try to avoid rumor propagation.
But because I am tired of you, close mind guy how do not see since 5000 years (READ this PDF, not like other documentaion on Yildiz engine) that they help to keep energy not free.
And if I want to help M.Yildiz, and yes I want to help Yildiz, it is because he is alone to propose someting working. And I need this thing for an out of grid plant. I already bye the Johnson motor pdf, and that is a Scam, not because it not works, but because it is not like said, a DIY project, and it require very rare parts without plan. And on DIY project, I am able to make everything at home and on cars.
Then yes I am waiting Yildiz kit, and I will bye it, and it is not a present from Yildiz team. I will not bye it if I succeed with my projects before (magnetic engine, or Schauberger hydro generator (this 5000 years old principle)).
In your last posts I saw no proof, and you not have seen the Yildiz motor in Geneva like me.
I have other sound, as I write to Nederlands to say it is not serious:
Dear Dominique,
Someone is spreading misinformation (I think his pseudoname is Cazador Truchos).
Prof. Kling from TU Eindhoven I know personally, and he will never say it is a scam before talking to me.
Prof. Myrzik works at Dortmund, not in Delft, and so on.
As usual, a guy with a big ego is looking for sensation.
Regards,
-jorge
It is just that your arguments? Without any, attacked person and spray lie.
Like with your imaginary information with Nederland University.
I think investors are cleverer than you, and will easily make difference between what I already said and your calumnies about the leek of Nederland University. But investor have certainly better information sources that this poor thread. And with what I read from you and from Allan, Allan is a lot more credible than you. But it may be just the thing that does not satisfy your ego.
Even if I am a shill, but I am not, I am a future buyer, I did a good job to have so poor arguments against mine.
@CazadorDeTruchos: Have you other Internet adress where we can read things that you produce? That, to change my opinion of you.
Until now I did not even take you as a trainee. I do not even feel in you a contructive passion. I hope for your reader that you have a better answer than your last post.
cosmologic singularity
You level stay the same as CazadorDeTruchos: Under Nothing (Even Zero point energy is not there, cosmologic singularity?). Just defamation.
I prefer a free autographed picture of Yilditz than some Euros from you. It will be for me a big honor from people trying to do something for future during 30 years of his live.
If you so well know Yildiz project, can you say what Yildiz is asking from investor?
I know, and I can say it is almost nothing for a big multinational industrie. And I speak absolute and not speak about potential profit.
Thanks to slanderers worthless as you, nobody can stand. You are a drag on society. If M.Yildiz project was a scam, long ago he could get money by making as Johnson or selling kits. If selling kits I have already bought him one in Geneva to help him to improve, but in addition he wants to give us the security provided by a manufacturer.
Do you know what industries spend as sponsoring? Of course not because nobody wants you in industry. In industriy we build.
Yes, as a dream, I prefer Yildiz project than a sailboat in a race.
As human I am ready to spend time and money on this kind of project. I am already doing, by trying to do my prototype, and Yildiz model will be a better start (I take time to have a close look at existing patents and picture made at Delt on open motor).
Look at you as observator, and asks yourself what you are doing for society and futur.
On another forum there is a members which say me, let OverUnity collect this kind of close mind guys. I think I will do.
On this other forum, like Allan Blog, we prefer that close mind people have also close mouth.
It was funny to let see the level of knowledge on this thread. Markdansie and CazadorDeTruchos; do you ever know what is a magnet (not just as a child), the magnet flow properties and the main problem when building pure magnet motor?
The answer is not just Yes we know or a link to Wiki, but to share your understanding about these points (just to increase the level of your posts).
Poor man, your level is under my dog mind. But you are just a pug.
From your answer I see that you do not know anything about magnet. And that you don't read the thread where you post on, because I give some way on Yildiz engine is working.
And when you say that Yildiz asks for million. You had to go to Geneva.
His actual problem is to find fund to pay expense for patent and lawyer to prepare these patent. It is not millions.
I will do, but just to let dust here on this thread. It must be somewhere to waste if we do not want it to scatter. Even if a shadow has no consistency. And we do not need your dejection on other positive forums.
I also have not any time to continue to play with you, a pug behind a grid.
The French ignorant has worked on his own magnet prototype, not like you which is not able to say any thing about magnet. Have you already heard about magnetic fludity, magnetic potential wells and stick point. On you posts I saw nothing because it is just calomny wind.
And the difference with you, I speak about what I heard at Geneva and not an old Allan paper. What you quote from this old link, is not what I heard in Geneva. Wake up, renew your poor thinking, the earth is turning and other people than you are moving.
But you will never have, as you are. Then you take no risk to say that.
Me, if I succeed with my prototypes, i will no share with guys like you. Because it will be scam, even if i do not need money and problems which come with. That is your added value (keep hidden) and not petroleum company fault.
Do not be affraied my other co-forumers on French forum, I will share with you by MP, my son is OK, as you (friends with me in Geneva) can heard from him. I am very glad to not have a son not like these guys here (it is not more close mind, it is no mind, but it is normal for a shadow). Do you know how to remove your shadow? Stay with no light arround you ;-)
GO IN YOUR BOX SHADOW PUG, I have not time to loose with you. Even to play with PUG. I like dogs, but not pugs.
SHADOWPT is PT for point? Shadow has already no volume, PT is almost redondante it just add no surface. But even so PUG is noisy.
@CazadorDeTruchos:The pack pugs enlarged. Except now there is the dumbest. Not even realize that his calumnies could cost their place to Dutch people.
You do not even answer to my question about your knowledge, and about you. Have you ever done something positive on the net that can let me think that you are not as stupide as you look on this thread.
And also so stupid to see that I play with pugs on this thred. Sorry I have no bone to throw.
I have proof that even with fact scientists do not always beleive it. I have proof.
I have no time to loose to read you calomnies.
@profitis: This morning Just send this message to a professor:I will see if scientists are ready to progress, but it is also a maner to push me to move forward with hard. Because I spend to much time on PC.
I believe to vital energy, I experiment it every day. I do not want that magnet engine polute this energy, and do not want any polution at all from this engine, then I like to know where the energy comes from.
I am not sure that industrial has this kind of worry.
If I succeed I will try to make it as anybody can make it at home. For now it is the case, it just costs me the magnet (half of usual, as rotor is pure iron on plastic). Then low cost, and less than one month electricity consumption. But I will know real power only when it will turn as there is no theory about it.
Can we see your head instead, with words that you like for you.
I already have seen these 2 in geneva, it is not information.
@Profitis, we lose our time here. In France we say: "you cannot make drink a donkey who is not thirsty". But there is worse, it is the people of bad faith. Worse than stone, with stones you can work with crystal for your health.
I opted to leave this thread to those people. Like this they have a place to put their dejections. I would not take the time to respond to their provocations. They do not answer our questions, they send another provocation. This gamme is not fun anymore.
Investors are smarter than that; they are able to see the information quality of these slanderers. But investors will not come here to have information. When I contact with Nederland University they know deTrucos slander, but they ignore it as what he is. Dutch are very tolerant. I think that was the worse on this thread, let think on bad scientist integrity. But as this is a good forum there is no moderator. Then all shit can be put here. The German web master (it is a German server) take a risk for himself money doing that. In Europe we have laws which not allowed public defamation.
From dutch, who let slanders for what they are:
Just a small part for example. Because I do not want, like other guys on this forum, give false information. but this one is easy to check as it is a fact. . Do Not Disturb!!!) yes, otherwise you can know that CazadorDeTruchos is a liar. No luck, my wife is Dutch, and my brother il law had high diplomas in Delft. I cannot let slanders saying everything.
I take a picture of this post, because there is no moderator for shit, but perhaps for himself. If this post disappears from here, I could post on another forum. Readers have right to know.
@shadowpt. Yes you have to pray, but pray God for being less stupid. And to learn to read. I didn't say that I will give money to Yildiz but to a multi-national which is good placement with or without Yildiz, a multinational open for a better futur, which invest for future.
Philips is a great medecin machine maker, perhaps we can use one to remove the spider with legs in water in your brain (yes in water because it already removes a big part). Have you headaches or seizuresead?
Is it you behind the moon? I can see your shadow big donkey ears.
always more difficult to start than let it turn, I spoke in general.
In Geneva he didn't use his electrical internal laucher. Some scam hunter said that it is that small launch battery which powered all the time the motor.
It was jut lanch by hand after releasing the brake if it didn't start alone.
Yes, If he has time, he will not let you say anything. Prefer a shadow point witout nationality if you have time to waste, and it is itself self perpetual renew, no answer coherent with previous post.
And when I write"not let you say anything", it is a limited translation in this context of "n'importe quoi" in French, but I do not know the correct translation. "N"importe quoi" in French in this context says also: out of subject, wrong, stupide, no interest.
Who are you to keep lying, especially about my age?Remember:
...If youdo not remember what you say ...
I am an expert with less than 20 years old
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Remember:If youdo not remember what you say ...
So you choose the weaker way, its fair. After all your big talk and "I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old" you finally show that not even you will give money to Yildiz.
(...)
@shadowpt: I lost enough time with a 5 years old child of bad faith. Then I don't even read the rest of your post
Then explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
Holy shit, you really are a retard! And you literally don't know what you are reading, let's put that in context, shall we?
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 27, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
So you choose the weaker way, its fair. After all your big talk and "I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years old" you finally show that not even you will give money to Yildiz.
(...)
lol even cartman can scam people better, but he fails miserably in the end lolWell, cartman is your reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyRHAvfA6Eg
Then explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
NO? Then what do you mean?
From your post quality I cannot understand that you have about 20 years of experience, then, a man of 45 or so.
This, right here, this shows that you have no place to talk about magnetism and how other people are wrong about what they say.It is not an answer to my question. can you read?
You have no right to tell other people what they know or what don't know, if they are wrong or even telling them to believe.
You don't have any idea of what you are talking about because you literally cannot understand what you read.
It's over, don't try anymore, it will be useless and will only make you look even worse.
Then explain better, for me, as it is not my languqe. From this sentence I understand that you are a guy less than 20 years old.
NO? Then what do you mean?
I know what I talk about and everything about it I know cause I am an expert with less than 20 years oldI understand that he is a "less than 20 years old" people and not a "less than 20 years" specialist. as there is the "with" word before, and it is not "with less than 20 years experience"
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 28, 2013, 09:49:31 pm
Who are you to keep lying, especially about my age?
Remember:
Citation de: shadowpt le avril 27, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
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I am an expert with less than 20 years old
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If you do not remember what you say ...
This thread is about to move back to the shadows along with Yilditz. He got his ten minutes of fame (well in a couple of forums and Free Energy News). He will re -appear with promises of other demonstrations which will fall well short of any verification, or useful data.Best regards MarkDansie.
Show is over, time to put the sets away and close the doors till next time.
Kind Regards
3 modèles sur papier: Brevet, plans "open source", plans industrielsTranslated:
Au moins 2 modèles présentés: Celui de Delft et celui de Genève.
Il va nous falloir une table de correspondance, en espérant que les modèles présentés soient dans les modèles papier. Sinon on aura jamais vu ce qu'il nous vend.
Je ne doute pas qu'il ait quelque chose, mais il fait tout pour qu'on ne le croit pas.
3 models on paper: Patent, plans "open source", industrial designsI already write to Halli with his form to have better information than on PESWiki, on what is the "open source' plans, I am waiting for answer. If I receive usefull information, I will put it here.
At least two models presented: The Delft and Geneva.
We will need a lookup table, hoping that the presented models are in the paper models. Otherwise we will have never see what he sells us.
I have no doubt he has something, but he does everything so we do not believe it.
hey@domichi. Its a honour my friend (-:).i never underestimate the french peoples,so many geniuses have contributed to science from your homeland,coulomb,curie,le chatelier..the list goes on.the french are thinkers.i love naudin.he would leap onto a replication of my own gadget when word gets out,i can just picture it.Have you done some blog or youtube of your own gadget?
Then ShadowPT explain your self on what you wanted to say?
Until, I stay on:
Which means that I am not lying on your age as you say.
But we even know that it is not a lie but a bad sentence from you.
So the rest of your post tainted. I'm glad I did not waste my time reading.
@shadow,yes, even a englishman wil b highly confused with your line about age.domichi is right.
@domichi.not yet.it is not patented yet but i did post a vid of it on this forum.i need to get into american or european corporate labs to take it to its limit of power,and direct the researchers there.the amazing thing about it is that although its a clear 2nd law violation i dont need to even mention that its a 2nd law violation,its based on a well established principal that is well accepted by scientific community.do you have any patents?In begin off yeras 80th I make my own computer (before Apple) and a robot associate but I shared every thing in real time (not on Internet which didn't exists yet) and I let it to my company (I perfered good job than pattent which after 8 years is public). And normally I was not allowed to do them as my contract said that I had to work only for this company. But no regrets, I had a good career which allow me to travel all over the word and make different business inside the same big multinational. And now I am in long disease, and they continue to give me my full salary. My experience with patent is that it does not protect you investment for a long time in every country. The best protection is secret if your product cannot be analyse after sell. It is often case for chimical compound, that also need a good procedure to obtain the result. For my company it was a problem in China to build factories. Because factories need these procedures.
I am sure that a english man understands pretty well what I said between quotes, you and DomiChi on the other hand clearly lack the knowledge to continue speaking as if you know what you talk about.Good luck in your live.
This thread is over.
Good luck in your live.
Make a separate thread to discuss your conversations with profitis, you will both get much better input from people that are interested than in here. Currently you are both off topic in this thread and you should cease it here.Thank you Shadowpt, then you read what I wright. Also when I said that I like to have English rectification .
And it's "Good luck in your life" not "live".
@shadow,errr,look around man,the yildiz discussion ended long ago so we are free to discuss pink elephants or anything if we choose.im amazed you are still here,alone,your comrades have all disapeared and left you standing.
@orbut3000,yes i know those 2 companies,unfortunately the feds busted them for outstanding grid bills from before they went 'magnetic'.do i have to conk you on the head evrytime to remind you?Not the ones I know of, they are still in business. But it doesn't surprise me that there were others who might not have been that lucky. Also why do you think they could have had outstanding grid bills? They are feeding excess energy into the grid when possible. (When the sun shines and it's windy so their fake wind gen spins).
Yes, there are more and more of top notch scientists who speak up against the COE doctrine. But not only scientists, engineers and some big corporations are also turning their backs on the establishment. I know of at least two big datacentres of multinational IT companies that's almost entirely powered by perpetual motion magnet generators. They still have to set up fake solar panels and wind generators to fool the authorities, but the employees who operate the plants know what's going on. And sometimes they talk.
Hi MileHigh and TKAs you apparently testing different systems, Have you had the opportunity to test hydro turbines Schauberger, or do you know if it has been done since Schauberger himself? We can easily find air turbines Schauberger which are being replicated, but I can not find anything on the hydrolic turbine.
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
i did post a vid of it on this forumCan you give me the direct link, I cannot find it.
people often forget that a evryday chemical battery is maximum 80% efficientAnd nano tude capacitors are long to come to replace them (since 4 or 5 years now, and it is not out of scientists sphere).
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
@markdansie.see if you can find a flaw in the karpen cell.its been powering a motor the last 50years non-stop.
Mark:
Thanks for your comments. When I first read Wayne's postings his technical language was simply silly and made no sense. I asked him how he measured his output power and refused to acknowledge the question at first. He eventually begrudgingly acknowledged the question but never answered it. Many months later and all that you get from him are pseudoscience "sermons" about his bliss on his website.
So Wayne fits into that mould that we are all too familiar with.
MileHigh
TK,
REALLY???
You are still carrying on about all that,, let me see,, I built a testbed for a method to build, then tested the testbed and things looked great,, then I reported to everyone what I was finding, to the best of my abilities, and just because you can not do the same???
Small note on this, TK could never find any residual pressure after the lift, or any use for it,, or what ever he kept carrying on about,,
And now you have blown it all up into a Cult,, next you are going to make out that Wayne is some kind ,, why give you more fodder.
@tk.yes it becomes a big deal when the power density of a similar type of cell goes up a hundred-fold,incentive for the markdansies of the world to come over to my lab.Dear profits, I would be delighted, most of all I would be delighted to see your data and measurement methodologies. The measurements are where most people go wrong as Tk is far more qualified than I to point out, especially with pulsed dc and ac.
Big deal. A pair of Zamboni dry piles has been running a little electrostatic motor since 1840. See "Oxford Electric Bell."Yes indeed they are curiosities and we have in the past replicated them to some degree. However the amount of power available vs the capital cost makes it far from viable. in the magnitudes of hundreds of times. They are worthwhile researching further to learn from, and are interesting, but of little value i solving a mass energy crisis.
Sure thing TK,, like you are not bought and paid for yourself WHEN you get a gig,,Once again, you really should get your facts straight.
This is not the thread for this conversation,, There are enough interesting things going on here as it is.That depends on your viewpoint, doesn't it. Yet another discussion about yet another hyped-up set of claims that can't be supported with evidence, and solid evidence of money being tossed down the drain in furtherance of garnering investment ..... I find that interesting indeed.
AND,, my espresso is better than your instant,, so there, take that :)
Mark .. I was unaware you had been banned from Sterling's site & presumably have fallen out of favour.Sadly I and many other great commentators have been banned. Also only a small percentage of posts get through as 95% of them do not agree with him. He does allow some through in order to promote balance. After his Yilditz fiasco his latest crowd fund raiser has not had a single donation. I admire his efforts to find stories but he has cried wolf over 100 times and finally people are waking up to him.
Hi MileHigh and TK
I can see how I made an error in judgement when it came to the boyancy device. Although I had not confirmed it i see where I was creating hope through doubt like Yilditz supporters do. I apologize to both of you for this blemish on my character.
I have been banned from Sterling's site among others.
I do appreciate the expertise you both have and i am sadly lacking
Kind Regards
Mark
Mark Dansie,
Please confirm whether the buoyancy device you referred to is indeed the one promoted by Wayne Travis, as suggested by TK.
Thank you,
Cisco
Again you missed the answer there TK,, you are the one who does the work for those private investors,, the ones you want to take the next best thing since sliced bread to in hopes of being funded for the research and stuff and then be the first one to publish a paper on it,, right, that is what you have said,, so when you get a GIG,, that would be WORK TK .And again you are misrepresenting me and what I said. Get your facts straight, Webby, please.
You aren't answering the question because you still seem to have some faith in Travis, and yes, I contend that the two thousand dollars he gave to you have some little role in preserving your faith.
Well,, I understand this part, and yes there are many frauds out there and yes most of them follow a pattern and most of them also seem to fall of the face of the planet when the "trick" is shown.
Again TK,, what with asking me this question?? What with trying to make me look like something I am not for not giving you the answer to this question??
What is its power supply? Does it run itself? Or is it like my Perpetual Water Pump, whose _only_ moving part is the water itself (except for the ZED riser of course), which runs on gravitational potential energy put into it during its "precharge" setup period (the same thing that Travis's Zed system runs on)? Or do you have to continually supply power to it while it's pumping a 12 foot head? They are just questions, and they are about your stuff that you have for yourself.
I built a water pump that pumps water up over 12 feet,, the nifty thing is it has 1 moving part and only builds up 3 psi on the discharge side,, that I have answers for,, stuff that I have for myself.
What about that work on precession you were doing,, gonna tell us all about that?No. But thanks for asking anyway.
I was not aware that I was going to receive any money for the build of TBZED, i did not get informed of that until after I had posted a lot of the stuff I was observing,, so get your facts straight on this.Where did I ever say otherwise? My facts are straight, I think. Please correct me specifically where I am wrong. I never said that Travis gave you money _before_ you started your work, did I? You cut up some tennis ball packaging, put it together with silicone glue and poured some water into it and made some measurements. Travis liked what you did and how you were talking about it, so he gave you some money. And you haven't had a negative word to say about him since, even though he's been shown many times to be.... well, shall we just say _wrong_ in many of the claims he's made.
Vacuum,, that can really suck :) was it not you who suggested that the system should be able to run backwards,, and did I not try many things and ways of having it run backwards?? sometimes backwards is not just in the reverse direction :)I am not in control of your experimental procedure, that's for sure, and therefore I am not responsible for your results, whatever they might be. All I know is that I was the first one to make a "self-powered" water pump incorporating a functioning ZED/Pod/riser assembly, in response to Travis's challenge, and I was the first "outsider" to show some advantage from a ZED. But since I am a skeptic and am pointing out that the Emperor in fact is naked, I got no reward from Travis, only the insults from sycophants like RedSunset, LarryC and others. Including you.
@ramset,my intent here is to tickle tk, or any other alleged boffin here, into an electrochemical arguement on the validity of steady-state-non-equilibrium systems as a permanent voltage/current source,ie.like the experiment i threw at the poster called de truchos earlier in the thread.i want to dance with somebody ontop of the 2nd law thermo lol.i doubt any1 has electrochem knowledge here tho.I am not qualified to discuss electrochemistry, that's for sure, except on the most rudimentary level.
you get that magnet motor moving i hope you will let me work for you in research becoz you wil put me out of buisness lol.I do not think so. Coper wiring is expensive. Self powered lamp is a better solution. And it is open for camping and off grid temporary living or nomads.
@domichi.if you realy want to experiment with karpen-type everlasting cell then you will need sheet of silver metal and nickel metal or sheet of iron metal and silver metal.the electrolyte is caustic soda solution.you can experiment to build a large pile series of these cells until you get large voltage/capacitance for a single l.e.d. or neon bulb.if you want to continuous power a single 1.5volt l.e.d. you will need to get voltage of cell up to about 8volts in series pile because of voltage drop of discharge curve.
its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:In France Silver is not cheap, and I do not know if I can get sheet of it.
Some stuff on Yiltitz if you scroll down the page a littleIt is more on Sterling Allen than on Yildiz.
http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84 (http://revolution-green.com/sterling-allen-and-his-quest-for-the-magnet-motor/#comment-84)
Sterling just posted a follow-up article about his trip to Geneva on his we site.
MileHigh
In casting your vote of "Dance of the Absurd", remember that in the poll so far, there is a healthy portion of people who are "certain of it", going even beyond my level of confidence, which is "very likely".
I'd be curious to know what causes them to have this level of confidence.
52 votes say "certain of it." That's not an unsubstantial number. 56 vote with me "very likely". 52 say "maybe".
The "definitely not" portion has lost 9 percent to the "probably not" votes in the last month.
@shadow..crap man,this thread ripped not only the demo to threads but yildiz himself,like a pack of wild dogs,it was only me and domichi who were fighting, just 2 stay on the fence,not exactly a balanced critism.
@shadow..we werent trying to defend its 'legitimacy',just its objectivity.one has to remain objective when the interior is invisible.
@shadow..whooaar,whooaar mr shadow,ok,relax.lets give mr allen some space here to chat ok,lets put guns down,for now.
@shadow..yeah you better hope that gun dont backfire cowboy.
You know that you are sick. That is called paranoia.
It's as if someone was renewing his IP and casting new votes in order to fraud the poll but who would earn anything with that?
Guess this has reached a point where hardly anything coming from you can be trusted as "realistic" and "professional".
Best regards MarkDansie.It is a long time ago, and I never had answer. Then I put this commercial offer in the scam box, even if the system works.
But I will stay to say to Profitis how we continue on French forum. Yildiz or not Yildiz ?
As I defended the Yildiz principle, I will be not so persevering on Yildiz commercial way.
I wrote in French forum:Translated:I already write to Halli with his form to have better information than on PESWiki, on what is the "open source' plans, I am waiting for answer. If I receive usefull information, I will put it here.
For the moment I'm not realy sure of the true but if it work it could be because an electrical connexion between the rotor and the stator.Are you speaking about Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor?
When I see the video of jrcompiter on youtube, he use conductives materials, so the air must acts like a capacitor.
Then, wait and see.